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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,519
    Theresa May says that the nation is uniting but not even the Johnson family is uniting behind Brexit!

    Rachel's probably chosen the perfect moment to make a stand, because Boris isn't likely to keep his job very much longer.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I've got that as an almost certain Tory gain if either no, or a low profile kipper runs there.
    IMO the only seats UKIP can win are Hartlepool, Thurrock and Dagenham. although I haven't really looked into other possibilities that hard.

    Aha Boston and Skegness... the Sitting Tory was a Remainer, 4.3k majority over UKIP, the rest nowhere
    How many kipper deposits retained? I reckon less than 5.

    On present polling I think it likely that in no seat will the kippers get more than 15%
    Woweee lets bet!

    What price they get more than 15% in any given seat???

    You think its odds on, "likely", I will offer you as much as you like at EVS that they dont get 15% in any seat
    £20 at evens?

    FWIW I am very bearish on the LDs too.
    Ok £20 at EVS

    You win if UKIP fail to reach 15% in any seat

    May the best man win!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I've got that as an almost certain Tory gain if either no, or a low profile kipper runs there.
    IMO the only seats UKIP can win are Hartlepool, Thurrock and Dagenham. although I haven't really looked into other possibilities that hard.

    Aha Boston and Skegness... the Sitting Tory was a Remainer, 4.3k majority over UKIP, the rest nowhere
    How many kipper deposits retained? I reckon less than 5.

    On present polling I think it likely that in no seat will the kippers get more than 15%
    Woweee lets bet!

    What price they get more than 15% in any given seat???

    You think its odds on, "likely", I will offer you as much as you like at EVS that they dont get 15% in any seat
    £20 at evens?

    FWIW I am very bearish on the LDs too.
    Ok £20 at EVS

    You win if UKIP fail to reach 15% in any seat

    May the best man win!
    Could Dr Nuttall stand in............... Clacton :D ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,790
    edited April 2017
    Sky broadcasting total bullshit from Isis supporter who now wants to come back to the uk...I didn't know, I didn't fight, I only went to live under pure Islamic laws...
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    I'm on Burnley, but also Cheadle, and Bath (the latter before candidate changed her mind).

    Bath comes in at number 32 and Cheadle number 36. In the forecast they are 16 points behind the Conservatives in Cheadle.

    Incidentally Richmond Park is number 258, which probably explains why Betfair/Paddy opened at 33/1.

    Clearly you need to treat these purely mechanical forecasts with many pinches of salt. The main purpose I use them for is modelling my expected betting profit/loss at various seat levels. For example, if I want to see what my expected outcome is if the LibDems get 20 seats, I figure out the P+L of any seat-band and spread bets, and then use a sorted list like this to work out which constituency bets might be expected to be won or lost. Obviously it's not perfect, because seats don't fall neatly in order, but it helps manage my exposure and avoid doubling up on bets which are actually heavily correlated.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Good afternoon.

    Regarding yesterday's YouGov numbers - apologies if anybody else has already pointed this out, but I'm reasonably confident that this poll is an outlier.

    There's been a quite evident trend in the YouGov numbers recently of Labour support amongst men bumping along somewhere just above 20%. I've noticed that it's the support of women that appears to have been keeping Labour's VI numbers up as high as 24-25% recently and, given Labour's abysmal performance with older voters, I surmised that this was down mainly to younger women. Then, in a recent analysis (which was a subject of a posting on PB, IIRC,) YouGov said that they suspected as much themselves.

    But now, we have this new poll in which Labour support amongst women remains static, but that amongst men has suddenly jumped by 8% relative to the last poll - accounting for Labour's entire 4% overall improvement. This is very strange.

    If, by some chance, Labour's message is achieving cut-through then I can see no compelling reason why its support should jump by such a huge amount (equivalent to the entire Ukip total) amongst men, and yet have moved not one iota amongst women, in the space of a couple of days.

    My expectation would therefore be that the next set of YouGov numbers will revert to somewhere close to the trend of the last month or so (he says, preparing to wipe egg from face...) Unless they've made a very large correction to their weighting of the responses of male voters between this latest poll and the one immediately prior to it, I can't see how the most recent survey is likely to be anything other than a rogue.

    It isn't just men overall, it's men of working age (25-64).

    They had a struggle getting men to respond - only 40% of the sample - and they are light on male respondents of mid/lower education aged 25-49.

    It might be an explanation.
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    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

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    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,523
    felix said:
    Nope, dozens of PBers not resident oin Scotland have already publically pleasured themselves over it.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,052
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I've got that as an almost certain Tory gain if either no, or a low profile kipper runs there.
    IMO the only seats UKIP can win are Hartlepool, Thurrock and Dagenham. although I haven't really looked into other possibilities that hard.

    Aha Boston and Skegness... the Sitting Tory was a Remainer, 4.3k majority over UKIP, the rest nowhere
    How many kipper deposits retained? I reckon less than 5.

    On present polling I think it likely that in no seat will the kippers get more than 15%
    Woweee lets bet!

    What price they get more than 15% in any given seat???

    You think its odds on, "likely", I will offer you as much as you like at EVS that they dont get 15% in any seat
    £20 at evens?

    FWIW I am very bearish on the LDs too.
    Ok £20 at EVS

    You win if UKIP fail to reach 15% in any seat

    May the best man win!
    Could Dr Nuttall stand in............... Clacton :D ?
    They seem to have already picked a Nutter, if not a Nuttall
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    Turner by name, turncoat by nature.
    :lol:
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    she's 63 I read
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,912

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    Mrs Trump wasn't at school when they met.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,676
    OT but my parking charge from a hospital visit from the other day has been cancelled after appealing the company - thanks to all for their advice on what to include.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?

    It is used by drug addicts to refer to dealers who are not themselves users.

    As I understand it...
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,328
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    most recently it's a harry potter reference (look up dumbledore) but originally it was a native american 'big chief'
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    kle4 said:

    OT but my parking charge from a hospital visit from the other day has been cancelled after appealing the company - thanks to all for their advice on what to include.

    My pleasure
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    LibDem top 30 existing seats and targets, sorted by forecast majority/the amount by which they fail to get a majority, based on the Electoral Calculus model's forecast as at today (which shows the LibDems ending up with 9 in total):

    Westmorland and Lonsdale
    Leeds North West
    Sheffield Hallam
    Ceredigion
    Orkney and Shetland
    Cambridge
    Norfolk North
    Dunbartonshire East
    Burnley
    --------------- Below this line the LibDems don't quite make it in the forecast --------
    Bermondsey and Old Southwark
    Edinburgh West
    Carshalton and Wallington
    Southport
    Cardiff Central
    Fife North East
    Eastbourne
    Twickenham
    Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross
    Lewes
    Bristol West
    Thornbury and Yate
    Birmingham Yardley
    Ross Skye and Lochaber
    Kingston and Surbiton
    Bradford East
    St Ives
    Gordon
    Torbay
    Sutton and Cheam
    Argyll and Bute

    This is broadly similar to @Pulpstar's list but I don't think takes account of differential Leave/Remain flows.

    Source data here:
    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.html

    Is this based entirely on UNS? Anyhow, the order is rather strange.

    I don't imagine that the Lib Dems would find themselves getting closer to overthrowing Alex Salmond in Gordon than to capturing Sutton & Cheam, for example...
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    felix said:
    Nope, dozens of PBers not resident oin Scotland have already publically pleasured themselves over it.
    Pages completely stuck together !
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,676

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    It's the age at which things began, not merely that younger man older woman would provoke more comment anyway. But it's a known story which if anyone in France cared it'd have had an impact already.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,043
    edited April 2017

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,676

    Sky broadcasting total bullshit from Isis supporter who now wants to come back to the uk...I didn't know, I didn't fight, I only went to live under pure Islamic laws...

    Did he enjoy it?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,052
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCTimDonovan: Ukip not standing against Kate Hoey in Vauxhall - as trailed. Also not standing in Ilford North - to help Tories vs @wesstreeting

    UKIP should do everyone a favour and disband...
    Scott_P said:
    And we should care about Boris Johnsons sister because....?

    Reminds me of the Blair era where for years we kept having a running commentary about the views of Tony Blair's father-in-law and sister-in-law...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    DavidL said:

    I really don't know why HMG is fighting the air pollution case.

    Yes, politically, I feel it really is none of the EU's business, but don't we all want clean air?

    Do we want to be forced into expensive programs re diesel cars limiting their use in cities? I don't really see what else is going to work and it is not particularly politically friendly in an election period.
    I'd prefer petrol, but electric transport, hybrids and hydrogen cell tech is improving all the time.

    Very feasible to get emissions down inside 10-15 years, and that's what I'd hope we'd be targeting.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Nope, dozens of PBers not resident oin Scotland have already publically pleasured themselves over it.

    Says the poster who linked to WingsOverBath earlier...
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    The original meaning was describing Republican activists who voted/supported the Democrats .
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
    Traitorous Pig Dog surely?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    I think not quite. The Macrons are 25 years and the Trumps 24. But I take your point.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,676

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    It's getting hard to keep up, I can no longer tell if I already knew that.
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    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    I had, but without ever being aware of its meaning. Now I've looked it up it appears a singularly inappropriate term for somebody like Boris to use.

    It's not like he's 100% constant in his own political opinions, is it?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCTimDonovan: Ukip not standing against Kate Hoey in Vauxhall - as trailed. Also not standing in Ilford North - to help Tories vs @wesstreeting

    It would be more informative to have a list of where they are standing.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,052
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    Think so. I did have a Google though and this is the official definition;

    mugwump
    ˈmʌɡwʌmp/
    nounNORTH AMERICAN
    a person who remains aloof or independent, especially from party politics.

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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    dr_spyn said:

    Sion Simon not keep to endorse Corbyn in West Midlands Metro Mayoral Election.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/labour-mayor-candidate-sion-simon-12951977

    POCWAS.

    That the first usage I've spotted
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,043
    edited April 2017

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
    Traitorous Pig Dog surely?
    No, I'm very consistent when it comes to defectors.

    Detectors from the Tory party who time their defection to cause maximum damage to the Tory Party are sub human traitorous pig dogs.

    People who defect to the Tory party, fine, patriotic, lions.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072

    DavidL said:

    I really don't know why HMG is fighting the air pollution case.

    Yes, politically, I feel it really is none of the EU's business, but don't we all want clean air?

    Do we want to be forced into expensive programs re diesel cars limiting their use in cities? I don't really see what else is going to work and it is not particularly politically friendly in an election period.
    I'd prefer petrol, but electric transport, hybrids and hydrogen cell tech is improving all the time.

    Very feasible to get emissions down inside 10-15 years, and that's what I'd hope we'd be targeting.
    I've bought Tory seats on the spreads so any bad news can wait till after the election
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689
    spudgfsh said:

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    most recently it's a harry potter reference (look up dumbledore) but originally it was a native american 'big chief'
    Was that not mud bloods? People of mixed magical and muggle heritage?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2017

    Is this based entirely on UNS? Anyhow, the order is rather strange.

    I don't imagine that the Lib Dems would find themselves getting closer to overthrowing Alex Salmond in Gordon than to capturing Sutton & Cheam, for example...

    It's based on a variant of UNS:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/strongmodel.html

    I agree that some of the forecasts look a bit odd. Mind you, it's particularly difficult comparing Scottish and English/Welsh seats.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,676
    surbiton said:

    marke09 said:

    marke09 said:

    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak 12m12 minutes ago

    The Government has failed in its High Court bid to delay publishing plans to tackle illegal air pollution until after the General Election

    Sandra Laville @sandralaville

    Gov been refused leave to appeal so now has to apply to Appeal court for permission #airpollution

    Judge said sec of state for environment Andrea Leadsom was in breach of court order
    Couldn't make it up. Pathetic ! Incompetent !
    Over egging it a bit aren't you? Its silly and incompetent, but 'couldn't make it up'? I feel like there are worse stories every week about governments of any stripe making these sort of blunders.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    Sky broadcasting total bullshit from Isis supporter who now wants to come back to the uk...I didn't know, I didn't fight, I only went to live under pure Islamic laws...

    Poor soul. Life is so disappointing sometimes.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    The original meaning was describing Republican activists who voted/supported the Democrats .
    Yes that was the one I vaguely recalled. Didn't understand why the PM should know that or why it was a down with the kids moment.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
    What I don't understand is why the Conservative Party accept these people as members . Once a rat always a rat and many of them are re ratting for the 2nd time .
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    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
    What I don't understand is why the Conservative Party accept these people as members . Once a rat always a rat and many of them are re ratting for the 2nd time .
    Churchill ratted a few times.

    We're hoping one of them turns out to be the new Churchill.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124

    Ukip’s north-east regional chairman, Steve Turner, has defected to the Conservative party

    What a fine principled, patriotic, lion of a man.
    Traitorous Pig Dog surely?
    No, I'm very consistent when it comes to defectors.

    Detectors from the Tory party who time their defection to cause maximum damage to the Tory Party are sub human traitorous pig dogs.

    People who defect to the Tory party, fine, principled, lions.
    Know your TPDs and FPLs :)
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,705
    Prof Nuttall live on LBC in about five mins...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689

    DavidL said:

    I really don't know why HMG is fighting the air pollution case.

    Yes, politically, I feel it really is none of the EU's business, but don't we all want clean air?

    Do we want to be forced into expensive programs re diesel cars limiting their use in cities? I don't really see what else is going to work and it is not particularly politically friendly in an election period.
    I'd prefer petrol, but electric transport, hybrids and hydrogen cell tech is improving all the time.

    Very feasible to get emissions down inside 10-15 years, and that's what I'd hope we'd be targeting.
    Oh I agree and we have hardly been fast off the mark here. The problems with diesel have been evident for ages. But trying to deal with something as contentious as this in an election period is sub optimal. I can understand why the government asked for the delay.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072

    Is this based entirely on UNS? Anyhow, the order is rather strange.

    I don't imagine that the Lib Dems would find themselves getting closer to overthrowing Alex Salmond in Gordon than to capturing Sutton & Cheam, for example...

    It's based on a variant of UNS:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/strongmodel.html

    I agree that some of the forecasts look a bit odd. Mind you, it's particularly difficult comparing Scottish and English/Welsh seats.
    The Lib Dems are a touch unfortunate that Corbyn is the Labour leader in terms of Tory targeting. If an Ed Miliband mark2 was running again I think the ground would be more favourable.
    The 11% polling wouldn't favour May over Ed by greater than a 2:1 ratio.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124
    I wonder if we'll hear an announcement on Ed Balls tomorrow, given that it will be the special day!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited April 2017
    Labour selections

    Blaydon (31.7% majority): Liz Twist (Gateshead Cllr, ward in the constituency. Worked for Unison)
    http://democracy.gateshead.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=140
    Durham NW (23.5% majority): Laura Pidcock (Northumberland Cllr)
    http://committee.northumberland.gov.uk/Councillor.aspx?cllrID=181
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    I really don't know why HMG is fighting the air pollution case.

    Yes, politically, I feel it really is none of the EU's business, but don't we all want clean air?

    Do we want to be forced into expensive programs re diesel cars limiting their use in cities? I don't really see what else is going to work and it is not particularly politically friendly in an election period.
    I'd prefer petrol, but electric transport, hybrids and hydrogen cell tech is improving all the time.

    Very feasible to get emissions down inside 10-15 years, and that's what I'd hope we'd be targeting.
    I've bought Tory seats on the spreads so any bad news can wait till after the election
    What level are you in at?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,950
    IanB2 said:

    Prof Nuttall live on LBC in about five mins...

    He is announcing he has cured cancer?
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,523
    Scott_P said:

    Nope, dozens of PBers not resident oin Scotland have already publically pleasured themselves over it.

    Says the poster who linked to WingsOverBath earlier...
    If linking to other sites/tweets/articles is an indication of pleasuring oneself, ScottP Towers must lie under inches of dried ejaculate.

    Perhaps you should rebrand as Scott_J.
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    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    It's the age at which things began, not merely that younger man older woman would provoke more comment anyway. But it's a known story which if anyone in France cared it'd have had an impact already.

    Yes, my impression is that the French worry much less than us about the sex lives of their politicans, but are much sterner in respect of financial improprieties.
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    JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    Way down thread but Thatcher's 390 seats in 1983 was 390/635 I believe

    So more like 400 today FWIW
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    IanB2 said:

    Prof Nuttall live on LBC in about five mins...

    He is announcing he has cured cancer?
    He's announcing he's been elected.

    Pope.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    I really don't know why HMG is fighting the air pollution case.

    Yes, politically, I feel it really is none of the EU's business, but don't we all want clean air?

    Do we want to be forced into expensive programs re diesel cars limiting their use in cities? I don't really see what else is going to work and it is not particularly politically friendly in an election period.
    I'd prefer petrol, but electric transport, hybrids and hydrogen cell tech is improving all the time.

    Very feasible to get emissions down inside 10-15 years, and that's what I'd hope we'd be targeting.
    I've bought Tory seats on the spreads so any bad news can wait till after the election
    What level are you in at?
    £10 a seat @ 384. Main betting is constituency, and fixed seat bands/ o/u.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Scott_P said:

    stodge said:

    The Conservatives will have nowhere to hide after the GE and will have to maintain a huge tent of a coalition through the Brexit process and beyond. Inevitably things will happen, things won't happen and mistakes will be made and the potential pool of disillusioned Conservatives on whom the LDs can draw from say mid 2018 onwards will be considerable.

    One day too Labour will get its act together and there will come an election where it will be the Conservatives who will be on the edge of disaster much as they were this time 20 years ago.

    I agree with the first bit, not the second bit.

    The referendum in Scotland has split the vote neatly on for or against lines. SNP or Tory. Scottish Labour couldn't decide, and were crushed, with no obvious revival in sight.

    The referendum in the UK will have the same effect. For Brexit will vote Tory, against will vote Lib Dem. Labour have opted for the 0% strategy. Again. There is no reason to assume they will revive from that.
    Once Brexit has happened it will pretty much cease to be a live political issue, unless it comes to be blamed for any recession that happens at around the same time.

    There is no particular reason to assume that Labour will recover. It would be a surprise if the failure of many Labour MPs, or other senior figures on the party's centre and right, to give Corbyn their backing did not result in the creation of a deep well of bitterness from which the party will drink for some considerable time, to their considerable detriment.

    Tony Blair could understand in 1983 the importance of supporting Michael Foot and the longest suicide note in history for the sake of party unity (and so that the Labour Left would have no-one but themselves to blame for defeat), but he and others don't seem to understand how counter-productive their behaviour since Corbyn's election has been.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,544

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    I had, but without ever being aware of its meaning. Now I've looked it up it appears a singularly inappropriate term for somebody like Boris to use.

    It's not like he's 100% constant in his own political opinions, is it?
    Only to be expected from one who threw in his lot with the Know Nothings (another 19thC US political reference).
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    chestnut said:

    It isn't just men overall, it's men of working age (25-64).

    They had a struggle getting men to respond - only 40% of the sample - and they are light on male respondents of mid/lower education aged 25-49.

    It might be an explanation.

    I hadn't spotted that they were so underweight on male respondents. It might very well have something to do with it.

    On the broader point of Labour's slight firming up in the polls - and it appears that such a thing may indeed by happening - I can see that they could be profiting from a small minority of the mass defectors from Ukip, and they're almost certainly squeezing the Greens - but I'd be surprised if they were making any headway against the Tories. I can see the position re-stabilising at somewhere in the ballpark of Con 47-48%, Lab 26-27%, Lib Dem 10-11%, Ukip 5-6%, Green 2-3%.

    Any further movements are then likely to depend on who has the most successful campaign with the public. Either the "Aren't the Tories awful, don't give them a landslide" narrative could win out, in which case we might see a little Con-Lab movement in the polls, and evidence of more fraying at the edges of the Tory bloc in the form of tactical voting on the big day; or the "Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous terrorist sympathiser, and his party can't be trusted either having elected him" narrative will win out, in which case further bleeding from Labour to all of the other parties will occur.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Tony Blair could understand in 1983 the importance of supporting Michael Foot and the longest suicide note in history for the sake of party unity (and so that the Labour Left would have no-one but themselves to blame for defeat), but he and others don't seem to understand how counter-productive their behaviour since Corbyn's election has been.

    Only because Corbyn is such a massive ****

    If he had resigned after the vote of no confidence, as anyone with a shred of decency would have done, their actions would have saved the party
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,043
    edited April 2017
    *Aftertime Klaxon*

    I would have bought Labour at 80 seats

    https://twitter.com/newdawn1997/status/857637655080824833
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    She speaks like a robot.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,519

    Once Brexit has happened it will pretty much cease to be a live political issue, unless it comes to be blamed for any recession that happens at around the same time.

    Look at the extent to which relations with the EU dominate the politics of the surrounding European countries that are not members. It will always be a live issue.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    The Rothermere press on Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte. If they are as happy together as they seem to be then good luck to them, but some of the pictures won't go down well with some voters.

    "Brigitte has refused to reveal when the unlikely pair first became intimate, proclaiming it 'our secret'."

    "'Nobody will ever know at what moment our story became a love story. That belongs to us. That is our secret,' she said."

    The age of consent in France when one party has authority over the other - for instance, if they are their schoolteacher - is 18.

    image

    image
    Good afternoon all. Just popping in to say hello and thank you to all for your very kind words to me. Much appreciated.

    I am slowly recuperating. The garden is getting a lot of TLC and I am listening to much music. Really, what else does one need?

    Just to be a tad waspish, Madame Macron would be well advised to wear dresses with sleeves.
    good to see you back. Thinks she looks pretty good for her age doesn't she? Must be mid 60s.
    Not sure what the exact age gap is but I understand it is less than that between Mr & Mrs Trump, though for some reason the latter seems to attract less comment.
    It's the age at which things began, not merely that younger man older woman would provoke more comment anyway. But it's a known story which if anyone in France cared it'd have had an impact already.

    Yes, my impression is that the French worry much less than us about the sex lives of their politicans, but are much sterner in respect of financial improprieties.
    Err did Fillon not come a pretty respectable 3rd just recently when under criminal investigation for paying his wife a lot of taxpayers money for nothing. And Mitterand. And Chirac? Having a conviction for financial impropriety seems a badge of honour in France.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @krishgm: Mrs May : Do you give strong and stable leadership now? If "Yes" then why call an election? If "No" should we try somebody else?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    She speaks like a robot.
    "Long term economic plan", anyone? Parroting those lines enough does have an effect.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCTimDonovan: Ukip not standing against Kate Hoey in Vauxhall - as trailed. Also not standing in Ilford North - to help Tories vs @wesstreeting

    UKIP should do everyone a favour and disband...
    Scott_P said:
    And we should care about Boris Johnsons sister because....?

    Reminds me of the Blair era where for years we kept having a running commentary about the views of Tony Blair's father-in-law and sister-in-law...
    Jo Johnson is the sensible one. I'm hoping that bojo will be sidelined after the GE.
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    JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911

    Scott_P said:
    An interesting defection. Helps slightly to bolster the Lib Dems as a safe choice for those wavering tory remainers.
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Christ on a bike Theresa say something interesting FFS

    When's the tory manifesto? Her Downing Street speech when she took up the post as PM suggested she in theory might have an interesting direction to take the tories in, but not a fat lot has happened since.

    Some new policies please! Or at the very least some new bloody catchphrases... 6 more weeks of this gah....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124
    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Mrs May : Do you give strong and stable leadership now? If "Yes" then why call an election? If "No" should we try somebody else?

    The argument will be that it can't be delivered with a small minority. :p
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,544
    GIN1138 said:

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    I'd never heard of "mugwump" until around 7:15 this morning... :open_mouth:
    Its American isn't it? Or is there a second more regional meaning?
    Think so. I did have a Google though and this is the official definition;

    mugwump
    ˈmʌɡwʌmp/
    nounNORTH AMERICAN
    a person who remains aloof or independent, especially from party politics.

    One might almost call BJ the Epitome of Ersatz Erudition.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,705

    Scott_P said:

    stodge said:

    The Conservatives will have nowhere to hide after the GE and will have to maintain a huge tent of a coalition through the Brexit process and beyond. Inevitably things will happen, things won't happen and mistakes will be made and the potential pool of disillusioned Conservatives on whom the LDs can draw from say mid 2018 onwards will be considerable.

    One day too Labour will get its act together and there will come an election where it will be the Conservatives who will be on the edge of disaster much as they were this time 20 years ago.

    I agree with the first bit, not the second bit.

    The referendum in Scotland has split the vote neatly on for or against lines. SNP or Tory. Scottish Labour couldn't decide, and were crushed, with no obvious revival in sight.

    The referendum in the UK will have the same effect. For Brexit will vote Tory, against will vote Lib Dem. Labour have opted for the 0% strategy. Again. There is no reason to assume they will revive from that.
    Once Brexit has happened it will pretty much cease to be a live political issue, unless it comes to be blamed for any recession that happens at around the same time.

    There is no particular reason to assume that Labour will recover. It would be a surprise if the failure of many Labour MPs, or other senior figures on the party's centre and right, to give Corbyn their backing did not result in the creation of a deep well of bitterness from which the party will drink for some considerable time, to their considerable detriment.

    Tony Blair could understand in 1983 the importance of supporting Michael Foot and the longest suicide note in history for the sake of party unity (and so that the Labour Left would have no-one but themselves to blame for defeat), but he and others don't seem to understand how counter-productive their behaviour since Corbyn's election has been.
    On your first point, we could easily be talking five years, under the sort of transitional exit the PM is rumoured to be considering. And, of course, Brexit is arguably a symptom of new fracture lines emerging in politics, rather than simply a black swan event to be weathered before normality returns.

    The Liberals in the 1920/30s thought they would recover, but never did. Labour has the comparative advantage of a stronger geographical base, but there is no obvious route that necessarily delivers them majority power in the future, as you say. They might split, whether Corbyn stays or goes. Or it might simply prove impossible to reconstruct the coalition of Guardian readers, blue collar trade union members and ethnic minority voters that was the old Labour big tent.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Annelise Dodds MEP is the Labour candidate in Oxford East
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124

    Scott_P said:
    An interesting defection. Helps slightly to bolster the Lib Dems as a safe choice for those wavering tory remainers.
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Christ on a bike Theresa say something interesting FFS

    When's the tory manifesto? Her Downing Street speech when she took up the post as PM suggested she in theory might have an interesting direction to take the tories in, but not a fat lot has happened since.

    Some new policies please! Or at the very least some new bloody catchphrases... 6 more weeks of this gah....
    There will be a manifesto in a few weeks.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124
    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    :o Klaxon on standby.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Yorkcity said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .
    https://twitter.com/HorizonCSafaris/status/857527370802245632
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,705
    Prof Nuttall: " we will be fielding a lot more than 100 candidates"
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,519
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    :o Klaxon on standby.
    How's your polling Kremlinology? What does 'fascinating' mean?
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    Scott_P said:

    Tony Blair could understand in 1983 the importance of supporting Michael Foot and the longest suicide note in history for the sake of party unity (and so that the Labour Left would have no-one but themselves to blame for defeat), but he and others don't seem to understand how counter-productive their behaviour since Corbyn's election has been.

    Only because Corbyn is such a massive ****

    If he had resigned after the vote of no confidence, as anyone with a shred of decency would have done, their actions would have saved the party
    Yes, it's hard to imagine anyone as principled as Foot not standing down in similar circumstances, but comparisons between him and Corbyn shouldn't be carried too far.

    Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

    I'm not sure what sort of Party Corbyn would be fine leading.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Scott_P said:

    Tony Blair could understand in 1983 the importance of supporting Michael Foot and the longest suicide note in history for the sake of party unity (and so that the Labour Left would have no-one but themselves to blame for defeat), but he and others don't seem to understand how counter-productive their behaviour since Corbyn's election has been.

    Only because Corbyn is such a massive ****

    If he had resigned after the vote of no confidence, as anyone with a shred of decency would have done, their actions would have saved the party
    Totally agree.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Yorkcity said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .
    No :-)

    The whole point of May's campaign is to be serious, solid, managerial and dull. Most people don't want further political excitement at present, and certainly not of the variety that Jeremy Corbyn and friends are offering.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,043
    edited April 2017
    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    Sadly I won't be able to cover tonight's YouGov poll.

    At midnight I'll be watching Guardians Of The Galaxy: Volume 2
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,950
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    An interesting defection. Helps slightly to bolster the Lib Dems as a safe choice for those wavering tory remainers.
    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Christ on a bike Theresa say something interesting FFS

    When's the tory manifesto? Her Downing Street speech when she took up the post as PM suggested she in theory might have an interesting direction to take the tories in, but not a fat lot has happened since.

    Some new policies please! Or at the very least some new bloody catchphrases... 6 more weeks of this gah....
    There will be a manifesto in a few weeks.
    She is working for Lynton. His basic operadi is to have a simple message and then repeat until anyone, other than an average voter who zones politics out 99% of the time, ears bleed.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    "In January 2017 Corbyn declared himself in favour of a maximum wage (miraculously “somewhat higher” than the £138,000 he himself earns). His shadow chancellor John McDonnell wants to raise taxes on those earning above £70,000 (miraculously just above his personal salary…). "

    I merely quote without comment.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    Very interesting.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Mrs May : Do you give strong and stable leadership now? If "Yes" then why call an election? If "No" should we try somebody else?

    The argument will be that it can't be delivered with a small minority. :p
    Both Commons and Lords rubber stamped her A50.

    She only needs a massive majority if doing something massively unpopular.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689
    edited April 2017

    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    Sadly I won't be able to cover tonight's YouGov poll.

    At midnight I'll be watching Guardians Of The Galaxy: Volume 2
    The first one was genuinely funny.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oooh

    @joncraig: Staff in Parliament told by sec sources police were tipped off about man arrested in Whitehall by his family, which probably saved his life.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    :o Klaxon on standby.
    How's your polling Kremlinology? What does 'fascinating' mean?
    It means that Alex Massie is a tart.
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    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I've got that as an almost certain Tory gain if either no, or a low profile kipper runs there.
    IMO the only seats UKIP can win are Hartlepool, Thurrock and Dagenham. although I haven't really looked into other possibilities that hard.

    Aha Boston and Skegness... the Sitting Tory was a Remainer, 4.3k majority over UKIP, the rest nowhere
    Could take on Remainer Tolhurst in Rochester?
    I'd have thought you'd want him to plump for Dagenham :)
    I think it is better to have a local who has fought the seat before. The UKIP fellow in Daggers is the candidate from 2010, Peter Harris. Thurrock hasn't been announced yet, but I think Tim Aker would probably do as well if not better.

    Michael Dugher said UKIP got 10k* in his seat last time without trying.. he is standing down, could that be one?

    *EDIT although they only got 9k! :lol:
    I know the local Labour Party are not happy with Tom Watsons ex girlfriend been forced on them. I can't imagine the voters of Barnsley East been positive about it.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,544
    edited April 2017

    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    Sadly I won't be able to cover tonight's YouGov poll.

    At midnight I'll be watching Guardians Of The Galaxy: Volume 2
    It's important to have a sense of priorities - but please, no spoilers.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Foot was an eminent politician with a strong track record. He wasn't the problem. It was the Party, which had been heavily infiltrated by Marxists and Communists. He was the wrong leader for that time, because he either wouldn't or couldn't stand up to them and clean out the stables. Had he led a more typical social democratic Labour Party largely free of what were highly alien elements, he would have been fine.

    Foot was also fairly smart, albeit in an impractical, academic manner. Oxford PPE and all that.

    Corbyn clearly .... isn't.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,124

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @krishgm: Mrs May : Do you give strong and stable leadership now? If "Yes" then why call an election? If "No" should we try somebody else?

    The argument will be that it can't be delivered with a small minority. :p
    Both Commons and Lords rubber stamped her A50.

    She only needs a massive majority if doing something massively unpopular.
    We'll never know what they would have done down the line, but I doubt it would have been as easy as that.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Yorkcity said:

    Scott_P said:

    @rosschawkins: Radio Derby to PM: Do you know what a mugwump is?

    PM: What I recognise is that what we need in this country is strong and stable leadership

    Can someone change her battery as the robotic language is begining to grate a bit .
    No :-)

    The whole point of May's campaign is to be serious, solid, managerial and dull. Most people don't want further political excitement at present, and certainly not of the variety that Jeremy Corbyn and friends are offering.
    Does a Strong and Stable Leader trust our Foreign policy to a clown?

    https://twitter.com/RemainingKind/status/857517858238148608
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    Nigelb said:

    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: Fascinating @yougov poll in tomorrow's edition of @thetimesscot...

    Sadly I won't be able to cover tonight's YouGov poll.

    At midnight I'll be watching Guardians Of The Galaxy: Volume 2
    It's important to have a sense of priorities - but please, no spoilers.
    I am Groot.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,280
    Fair play to the authorities, they did an excellent job on Whitehall today.
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