Apparently the ceremonial bit of State Opening on June 19th has been reduced as Trooping the Colour is on the 17th so no time to rehearse for both (from previous thread)
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low. Conservatives getting themselves into unecessary difficulties, pensions, teacher cuts/budgets, WAR etc etc. If Lib Dems not go into coalition with either May or Corbyn then perhaps those two will make a grand alliance to stop the SNP!!!!
Can't the tories hide boris johnson until after the election,saying that we would bomb syria if trump asks and wouldn't need parliament vote will surely not go down well with alot of voters.
Apparently the ceremonial bit of State Opening on June 19th has been reduced as Trooping the Colour is on the 17th so no time to rehearse for both (from previous thread)
It's usually on a Wednesday but The Queen doesn't want it to clash with Royal Ascot which runs from the 20th to 24th of June.
A strange reversal in the general election campaign in Scotland has seen the separatist Scottish National party clam up about independence, while the anti-independence Conservatives will not shut up about it.
If 'CPS will have to decide before polling day' will they decide before the Tories choose their candidates in the affected seats?
Is a narrow window, would have to charge before May 11th.
Which is a fortnight away or 9 working days away.
What constrains them to decide before polling day?
Well the CPS/police one year extension to investigate further/come to a charging decision ends this May.
You can't be nominated after the 11th, so you'd be forced to have charged MPs on the ballot paper.
In the past Tory MPs charged with a crime have the whip removed which also complicates matters.
Ah that explains it then. Interesting. I'm sure May will have been well briefed in her statements regarding this if charges are forthcoming. She does have a mighty good get out clause, seeing as Cameron was PM not her. Handy.
Lib Dems shouldn't count on Remain votes - the data looks bleak Conventional wisdom suggests the Tories could bleed Remain votes to the Lib Dems. Our detailed data analysis suggests this idea could be very wrong indeed......
Our model sees the Tories on 422 seats, with Labour reduced to just 150, and the Lib Dems declining from 9 to 6. The Conservative majority would be north of 190. Labour would be wiped out beyond what most people are currently predicting. Leadership candidates like Clive Lewis would no longer be leadership candidates, because they would no longer be MPs.
Can't the tories hide boris johnson until after the election,saying that we would bomb syria if trump asks and wouldn't need parliament vote will surely not go down well with alot of voters.
It certainly is not going down well with this particular voter
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
If nothing else, this election has provided us with a variation on the Royal fresh paint fallacy...
"I’m out on the streets and the doorsteps and the meeting halls every day and that’s not what I’m finding. I’m finding the enthusiasm of people at the prospect of doing things differently to work for everyone and I’m enjoying it..." J Corbyn
Well the CPS/police one year extension to investigate further/come to a charging decision ends this May.
Presumably the 7th May, right? Anniversary of the 2015 election. That means a week Friday in practice. Or is it from the date of the expenses declaration?
I'd be with OGH ... holding onto my cash for now. In the first week or so after the GE announcement, the spread on the Tory seats increased by approx 10 seats, whilst Labour seat spreads decreased by a similar amount. Both appear to have steadied, doubtless awaiting the next round of polls and generally current spreads accord with the bookies' under/over seat number for each of the main parties.
Mike's certainly right in calling it a high risk:high reward form of betting, bearing in mind that the two major parties are set to win around 550 seats between them and it's a brave punter who will bet on how these spoils will eventually be shared. This also means that unless you are able to open a credit account with the spread-betting firm which for obvious reasons is much more demanding than doing so with a conventional bookie, then you will have to deposit a sum equal to your maximum loss, which can prove very expensive.
Good luck if you decide to have a go, but if this is your first excursion into spread-betting, limit yourself to very small stakes per seat, remembering that your eventual profit could be multiplied 40 - 60 times or potentially a good more than this even. It also means that you'll be stuck in front of the TV screen, watching every single seat result being announced. The spread-betting firms generally stay open for most of the night, enabling you to close your position should you so decide, otherwise your profit/loss will only be decided when every last result has been declared which can take a day or two or in the case of the last GE, a month or two when one candidate unfortunately died in the run-up to polling day and the contest for the seat in question had to re-arranged. DYOR.
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
Well the CPS/police one year extension to investigate further/come to a charging decision ends this May.
Presumably the 7th May, right? Anniversary of the 2015 election. That means a week Friday.
Nope, it's early June, from when the candidates have to file their election expenses return which I believe is 5 weeks from election day.
Looking here,
But the police force was granted an extra 12 months to investigate the claims that Mackinlay and his agent exceeded the legal spending limit to win the seat. The one-year time limit to launch potential criminal proceedings relating to the 2015 general election was due to expire on 12 June.
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
Wishful thinking
I am making no forecast as to the GE result but on how the spread markets will move immediately after the local elections .
Nope, it's early June, from when the candidates have to file their election expenses return which I believe is 5 weeks from election day.
Right, thanks. Makes sense.
I believe a lot of the MPs filed their returns promptly, and not at the last minute which makes it possible there are different deadlines for charging for different MPs.
This could get very messy if charges are brought.
Can you imagine if say a dozen Tory MPs are charged on different days during the last two weeks of the 2017 GE election campaign.
If nothing else, this election has provided us with a variation on the Royal fresh paint fallacy...
"I’m out on the streets and the doorsteps and the meeting halls every day and that’s not what I’m finding. I’m finding the enthusiasm of people at the prospect of doing things differently to work for everyone and I’m enjoying it..." J Corbyn
Or the John Peel gag. JP: "I don't know why this record is not doing better, everybody I know has bought it." "No, John, you know everybody who has bought it."
Well the CPS/police one year extension to investigate further/come to a charging decision ends this May.
Presumably the 7th May, right? Anniversary of the 2015 election. That means a week Friday.
Nope, it's early June, from when the candidates have to file their election expenses return which I believe is 5 weeks from election day.
Looking here,
But the police force was granted an extra 12 months to investigate the claims that Mackinlay and his agent exceeded the legal spending limit to win the seat. The one-year time limit to launch potential criminal proceedings relating to the 2015 general election was due to expire on 12 June.
Nope, it's early June, from when the candidates have to file their election expenses return which I believe is 5 weeks from election day.
Right, thanks. Makes sense.
I believe a lot of the MPs filed their returns promptly, and not at the last minute which makes it possible there are different deadlines for charging for different MPs.
This could get very messy if charges are brought.
Can you imagine if say a dozen Tory MPs are charged on different days during the last two weeks of the 2017 GE election campaign.
Carnage, utter carnage in the news cycle.
I believe the deadline for the majority of cases that the CPS were looking at fell during the first week of June.
Lib Dems shouldn't count on Remain votes - the data looks bleak Conventional wisdom suggests the Tories could bleed Remain votes to the Lib Dems. Our detailed data analysis suggests this idea could be very wrong indeed
Interesting to hear Angela Merkel saying brexit means brexit therefore go f**k yourselves.
In other news our foreign secretary says if the Americans go to war in Syria we would have no option but to join them. A man after Blair's heart.
Corbyn looked down and out but I don't think any of us thought about the calibre of clown he'd be up against.
Angela Merkel has an election to fight - which she's going to do well before the real negotiations start. Over-interpreting comments made for domestic consumption is not sensible.
A strange reversal in the general election campaign in Scotland has seen the separatist Scottish National party clam up about independence, while the anti-independence Conservatives will not shut up about it.
Interesting to hear Angela Merkel saying brexit means brexit therefore go f**k yourselves.
In other news our foreign secretary says if the Americans go to war in Syria we would have no option but to join them. A man after Blair's heart.
Corbyn looked down and out but I don't think any of us thought about the calibre of clown he'd be up against.
In terms of this announcement that the UK will be happy to break international law if Trump does so first, is the possibility of bombing Syria during an election campaign a devious attempt to avoid a parliamentary vote? (There isn't a parliament for 6 weeks.)
Nope, it's early June, from when the candidates have to file their election expenses return which I believe is 5 weeks from election day.
Right, thanks. Makes sense.
I believe a lot of the MPs filed their returns promptly, and not at the last minute which makes it possible there are different deadlines for charging for different MPs.
This could get very messy if charges are brought.
Can you imagine if say a dozen Tory MPs are charged on different days during the last two weeks of the 2017 GE election campaign.
Angela Merkel has an election to fight - which she's going to do well before the real negotiations start. Over-interpreting comments made for domestic consumption is not sensible.
Previously we were told that the fact she had an election to fight meant she would be forced to offer a wonderful trade deal so as not to upset BMW and Mercedes.
The message has been consistent since before the referendum. It's about time Brexiteers understood it.
If 'CPS will have to decide before polling day' will they decide before the Tories choose their candidates in the affected seats?
Is a narrow window, would have to charge before May 11th.
Which is a fortnight away or 9 working days away.
Could be embarrassing. I guess all current MPs would want re-stand.
Well Craig Mackinlay's file went to the CPS this week.
This could get very messy.
What does Alison Saunders do if there are multiple MPs to be charged ?
Do it in one go or do it one by one and dominate a lot of news cycles.
One by one please - name and shame the Tories everyday for as long as it takes (a bit like the Labour front bench resignations) - popcorn time!
That sounds like you assume they are guilty.
Personally I don't think this will make too much difference. The public were angry about expenses as it was seen as MPs stealing from the taxpayer. I can't see people getting as worked up about the Tories spending too much of their money.
Interesting to hear Angela Merkel saying brexit means brexit therefore go f**k yourselves.
In other news our foreign secretary says if the Americans go to war in Syria we would have no option but to join them. A man after Blair's heart.
Corbyn looked down and out but I don't think any of us thought about the calibre of clown he'd be up against.
Angela Merkel has an election to fight - which she's going to do well before the real negotiations start. Over-interpreting comments made for domestic consumption is not sensible.
This is Roger whose love for the EU is only surpassed by his hatred for the UK
Interesting to hear Angela Merkel saying brexit means brexit therefore go f**k yourselves.
In other news our foreign secretary says if the Americans go to war in Syria we would have no option but to join them. A man after Blair's heart.
Corbyn looked down and out but I don't think any of us thought about the calibre of clown he'd be up against.
Be more precise in your reporting - no fake news here! Bojo said if the US asked us to attack Syria with them after another nerve gas event - "we would find it difficult to refuse".
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
Wishful thinking
I am making no forecast as to the GE result but on how the spread markets will move immediately after the local elections .
Whats your view on the PP price for Sutton and Cheam Mark? They have the tories 1/8 with the LDs 9/2.. is that wrong ?
If 'CPS will have to decide before polling day' will they decide before the Tories choose their candidates in the affected seats?
Is a narrow window, would have to charge before May 11th.
Which is a fortnight away or 9 working days away.
Could be embarrassing. I guess all current MPs would want re-stand.
Well Craig Mackinlay's file went to the CPS this week.
This could get very messy.
What does Alison Saunders do if there are multiple MPs to be charged ?
Do it in one go or do it one by one and dominate a lot of news cycles.
One by one please - name and shame the Tories everyday for as long as it takes (a bit like the Labour front bench resignations) - popcorn time!
That sounds like you assume they are guilty.
Personally I don't think this will make too much difference. The public were angry about expenses as it was seen as MPs stealing from the taxpayer. I can't see people getting as worked up about the Tories spending too much of their money.
If they're named before the election, lost, and then acquitted afterwards, could they force a rerun in whatever seat they were standing for?
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
Wishful thinking
I am making no forecast as to the GE result but on how the spread markets will move immediately after the local elections .
Whats your view on the PP price for Sutton and Cheam Mark? They have the tories 1/8 with the LDs 9/2.. is that wrong ?
Cons and Lib Dems far too high. Labour far too low.
Yeah right...
Not a market I will be tempted to bet on before the locals but I agree Con too high Lab too low LDs will move after locals probably to a higher level then will certainly be too high .
Wishful thinking
I am making no forecast as to the GE result but on how the spread markets will move immediately after the local elections .
I have an open buy of Con at 378, which for the moment at least I'm keeping open. I think the price might have a little further to go.
At today's prices, the most attractive bet IMO is a sell of of the LibDems at 26. Most of their targets are Tory held, and there's been a net swing away from the LibDems towards the Tories since GE2015. What's more, in several of the seats in which the LibDems were close behind the Tories, there was a sizeable UKIP vote; thus, seats like Eastbourne or Lewes aren't as easy for the LibDems as you'd think by looking at the small majorities.
Of course, sentiment could turn, and if the LibDems do start eating heavily into the Labour vote share that Sell could turn nasty. But, at the moment, it looks sound enough.
As others have said, spread betting is not for the faint-hearted and losses can mount up very quickly. DYOR.
I have bought the blues at £10 a point at 384 on this market.
I think @Marksenior implied tip of selling the Lib Dems after the locals might be a very good one.
Please bear in mind that considerable sums can be lost on this market.
Do you have to deposit £,3840 into your account?
If you're new i think they will force you to have a stop loss at a certain number of seats either way? So limiting losses and gains... Might be wrong though. My one attempt at spread betting was a disaster mitigated only by the fact that i had a welcome bonus.
I have an open buy of Con at 378, which for the moment at least I'm keeping open. I think the price might have a little further to go.
At today's prices, the most attractive bet IMO is a sell of of the LibDems at 26. Most of their targets are Tory held, and there's been a net swing away from the LibDems towards the Tories since GE2015. What's more, in several of the seats in which the LibDems were close behind the Tories, there was a sizeable UKIP vote; thus, seats like Eastbourne or Lewes aren't as easy for the LibDems as you'd think by looking at the small majorities.
Of course, sentiment could turn, and if the LibDems do start eating heavily into the Labour vote share that Sell could turn nasty. But, at the moment, it looks sound enough.
As others have said, spread betting is not for the faint-hearted and losses can mount up very quickly. DYOR.
I'm planning to do a piece this weekend which points out at the last two general elections, the spreads massively overestimated the Yellow Peril.
Hmm... on those spreads I would be a seller of Lib Dem, seller of Labour and seller of UKIP. I would be very reluctant at the moment to go either way on the SNP. This surely means I should be a buyer of Tories but it seems awfully high already...
I must remember someone has to win every seat no matter how awful they are.
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Which is a fortnight away or 9 working days away.
I guess all current MPs would want re-stand.
I was thinking
Con - buy
Lab - sell
LD - sell
SNP - Not sure but forced to I'd sell
Can't the tories hide boris johnson until after the election,saying that we would bomb syria if trump asks and wouldn't need parliament vote will surely not go down well with alot of voters.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/857565036532858881
This could get very messy.
What does Alison Saunders do if there are multiple MPs to be charged ?
Do it in one go or do it one by one and dominate a lot of news cycles.
I have two strats:
(1) Back the dead-certs heavily (Tory majority, May as next PM, Con most seats..)
(2) Look for value in the constituency markets
The other place I've squared out a bit of value is the LD seat bands and Scottish Con seat bands.
I'm alive to other suggestions.
Have the CPS actually said they have to decide before the election? I know of no such declaration or ruling. Does anyone?
https://twitter.com/magnusllewellin/status/857104063485423616
You can't be nominated after the 11th, so you'd be forced to have charged MPs on the ballot paper.
In the past Tory MPs charged with a crime have the whip removed which also complicates matters.
https://www.ft.com/content/1d9282b8-2b1f-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7
In other news our foreign secretary says if the Americans go to war in Syria we would have no option but to join them. A man after Blair's heart.
Corbyn looked down and out but I don't think any of us thought about the calibre of clown he'd be up against.
Conventional wisdom suggests the Tories could bleed Remain votes to the Lib Dems. Our detailed data analysis suggests this idea could be very wrong indeed......
Our model sees the Tories on 422 seats, with Labour reduced to just 150, and the Lib Dems declining from 9 to 6. The Conservative majority would be north of 190. Labour would be wiped out beyond what most people are currently predicting. Leadership candidates like Clive Lewis would no longer be leadership candidates, because they would no longer be MPs.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/27/lib-dems-shouldnt-count-on-remain-votes-the-data-looks-bleak
"I’m out on the streets and the doorsteps and the meeting halls every day and that’s not what I’m finding. I’m finding the enthusiasm of people at the prospect of doing things differently to work for everyone and I’m enjoying it..."
J Corbyn
Mike's certainly right in calling it a high risk:high reward form of betting, bearing in mind that the two major parties are set to win around 550 seats between them and it's a brave punter who will bet on how these spoils will eventually be shared. This also means that unless you are able to open a credit account with the spread-betting firm which for obvious reasons is much more demanding than doing so with a conventional bookie, then you will have to deposit a sum equal to your maximum loss, which can prove very expensive.
Good luck if you decide to have a go, but if this is your first excursion into spread-betting, limit yourself to very small stakes per seat, remembering that your eventual profit could be multiplied 40 - 60 times or potentially a good more than this even. It also means that you'll be stuck in front of the TV screen, watching every single seat result being announced. The spread-betting firms generally stay open for most of the night, enabling you to close your position should you so decide, otherwise your profit/loss will only be decided when every last result has been declared which can take a day or two or in the case of the last GE, a month or two when one candidate unfortunately died in the run-up to polling day and the contest for the seat in question had to re-arranged.
DYOR.
Looking here,
But the police force was granted an extra 12 months to investigate the claims that Mackinlay and his agent exceeded the legal spending limit to win the seat. The one-year time limit to launch potential criminal proceedings relating to the 2015 general election was due to expire on 12 June.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/01/judge-grants-extension-to-police-investigation-into-tory-election
Preferably those with deep pockets.
This could get very messy if charges are brought.
Can you imagine if say a dozen Tory MPs are charged on different days during the last two weeks of the 2017 GE election campaign.
Carnage, utter carnage in the news cycle.
What's the point of a 1 year limit, if they can just extend it to two years anyway?
Should have had a 2 year limit in the first place.
This morning's Yougov hints at huge amounts of uncertainty within the left/remain with the Lib Dems and Greens high on the list.
Only 29% of current Lib Dem pledges describe themselves as certainties to back the LDs.
It gives the impression that left leaning remainers are a bit lost at the moment.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-council-election-turnout-could-rise-thanks-to-indyref2-1-4386857
I think @Marksenior implied tip of selling the Lib Dems after the locals might be a very good one.
Please bear in mind that considerable sums can be lost on this market.
https://twitter.com/jonathanhaynes/status/857536400052416512
God I loathe that man.
The message has been consistent since before the referendum. It's about time Brexiteers understood it.
I think we'll get a few on Saturday night.
Personally I don't think this will make too much difference. The public were angry about expenses as it was seen as MPs stealing from the taxpayer. I can't see people getting as worked up about the Tories spending too much of their money.
I told him to buy, but he sold.
Bojo said if the US asked us to attack Syria with them after another nerve gas event - "we would find it difficult to refuse".
I like him nearly as much as I like Mark Reckless.
They have the tories 1/8 with the LDs 9/2.. is that wrong ?
Can someone explain to me what Jeremy Corbyn was doing in Harlow?
At today's prices, the most attractive bet IMO is a sell of of the LibDems at 26. Most of their targets are Tory held, and there's been a net swing away from the LibDems towards the Tories since GE2015. What's more, in several of the seats in which the LibDems were close behind the Tories, there was a sizeable UKIP vote; thus, seats like Eastbourne or Lewes aren't as easy for the LibDems as you'd think by looking at the small majorities.
Of course, sentiment could turn, and if the LibDems do start eating heavily into the Labour vote share that Sell could turn nasty. But, at the moment, it looks sound enough.
As others have said, spread betting is not for the faint-hearted and losses can mount up very quickly. DYOR.
I'll be down alot more than 4 grand if that is the overall result.
I must remember someone has to win every seat no matter how awful they are.