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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    edited April 2017
    HaroldO said:

    Any suggestions for a low stake bet going by any chance?

    Maybe RIchmond is worth checking out - see if the odds have altered at all with the Zac announcement. If you want merely the satisfaction of winning even with low returns, Con Majority :)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour Nottingham North (maj 33.6%): Alex Norris, Nottingham Cllr.

    A Tory gain from Labour here was the biggest shock of the night in 1983 and possibly could be again.
    Why was it a big shock ?

    The swing was just over 3%, almost bang in line with the UNS.

    It WOULD be a big shock this time.
    Nottingham North was amusing in 1983 because the Conservative majority was only 362 whilst 1,184 votes went to the communist candidate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    The swing was more like 8% as boundary changes had been beneficial for Labour.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149

    20%.....Picks jaw up of the floor....And Tories only just getting started on jezza the terrorists beat friend.

    They don't specify if that's GB, England, the Midlands, or maybe just West Bromwich?
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Intergenerational warfare is the new class warfare and you can see how it's turning out for the young
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684

    Let's hope Juncker went easy on the juice this time!

    I'd put that on the Tory election literature.

    It looks like she just gave him a roasting.
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    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    20%.....Picks jaw up off the floor....And Tories only just getting started on jezza the terrorists beat friend.

    And if Labour are on 20% in a private poll there really could be a 30% lead for the Tories. And I was only kidding yesterday. :dizzy:
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Cough cough.. that's what I said they would. end up at.. of course I might end totally wrong but I think .it'll be nearer 20 than 25 per cent
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    spudgfsh said:

    Looks like Sarah Olney's still going to be an MP on June 9th.

    There's a difference between a by-election and a general election here. in the by-election the libdems could concentrate their resources but at the general their resources are more thinly spread. that could make the 2% ish swing from the by-election. especially as he got over 50% in 2015
    He could win it back, though it seems odd to reward him for causing them to lose the seat in the first place.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149

    Let's hope Juncker went easy on the juice this time!

    I'd put that on the Tory election literature.

    It looks like she just gave him a roasting.
    Presumably the picture was taken as he arrived so no time for a roasting...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Lib Dem GAIN Richmond Park.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143
    ToryJim said:
    It will certainly provide the Conservatives with some anti-LibDem ammunition.

    As the Greens have stood down in Ealing Central to help Labour its clear that a vote for the LibDems is a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labour.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    It doesn't read as though their analysis is based on the private poll, but on some other data.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited April 2017

    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    The 60 seat loss projection in the article is clearly based on the Ipsos poll, the discussion of the 20% is just for flavour.
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312

    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    how's that different to any other mirror story?
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    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour Nottingham North (maj 33.6%): Alex Norris, Nottingham Cllr.

    A Tory gain from Labour here was the biggest shock of the night in 1983 and possibly could be again.
    Why was it a big shock ?

    The swing was just over 3%, almost bang in line with the UNS.

    It WOULD be a big shock this time.
    Nottingham North was amusing in 1983 because the Conservative majority was only 362 whilst 1,184 votes went to the communist candidate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    The swing was more like 8% as boundary changes had been beneficial for Labour.
    ICYMI earlier - You asked me about Sheffield, I spoke to my Labour councillor friend, he said he won't be spending any time in Sheffield Hallam as that would be a waste of time, he's focusing on Sheffield Central, he's worried about the Greens there.
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    madasafishmadasafish Posts: 659

    Cough cough.. that's what I said they would. end up at.. of course I might end totally wrong but I think .it'll be nearer 20 than 25 per cent
    My charting # says 19%

    # as in share price charting..
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Probably more than 40 mins from his last drink
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    20%.....Picks jaw up of the floor....And Tories only just getting started on jezza the terrorists beat friend.

    They don't specify if that's GB, England, the Midlands, or maybe just West Bromwich?
    Labour on 20% is the moment the hull breaches and the water starts sinking the ship...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143
    DavidL said:

    OUT said:

    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Zac.
    Ok. Anyone else?
    To be fair to Zac he achieved some very good results in 2010 and 2015.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    spudgfsh said:

    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    how's that different to any other mirror story?
    Did they get this info via hacking a labourites phone? ;-)
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
    No. More like this :D:D

    image
    that'sMike Smithson :-)
    New wig looks nice Mike ;-)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684
    Very pleased to hear Julia has been selected.
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    Hurrah, Mrs May's doing the right thing, Dave was wrong when he promised this.

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/857339266384449537
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    chestnut said:

    Floater said:

    Prodicus said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Stephanie Peacock selected by Labour in Barnsley East.

    She used to date Tom Watson....
    contested Halesowen & Rowley Regis in 2015. Works for GMB

    http://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/breaking-candidate-to-fight-election-for-labour-in-barnsley-east-revealed

    Labour nepotism is pretty striking.

    How's Stephanie Flanders getting on?
    Appalling taste
    Has anything bad happened to her? I apologise unreservedly if it has.
    I think she's master of an Oxbridge college now. I could be wrong.

    I thought she worked for JPMorgan.
    On that note, they're moving jobs to Poland:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17S1PD
    My employer transferred certain functions to Poland before we voted to leave the EU
    From the article - "he estimates of financial services jobs moved from all Western countries to Poland range from 35,000 to 45,000"

    Cheap labour.
    Not quite the message William was trying to portray though is it.
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    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Didn't TSE indicate here recently that he was seriously considering giving up his Tory party membership? - I wouldn't imagine that would go down too well with the Tatton faithful.
    oh he's just teasing, it's as likely as malcolm having underwear
    Describing Theresa May as f*****g c**p wasn't a very good idea either, to say the least, or was that "just teasing" also?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    I might get a special bottle in just on case of the nonce finder general losing his seat.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    If a bookie were to market these what do you think fair odds should be?

    A BPC-registered pollster shows Tories achieving 51% of votes?
    The Tories in the election to achieve a majority of votes?
    A BPC-registered pollster shows Lib Dems achieving a higher share than Labour?
    The Lib Dems in the election to achieve a higher share than Labour?
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    kle4 said:

    HaroldO said:

    Any suggestions for a low stake bet going by any chance?

    Maybe RIchmond is worth checking out - see if the odds have altered at all with the Zac announcement. If you want merely the satisfaction of winning even with low returns, Con Majority :)
    Heh, I am on Ladbrokes currently. Might just make a few small stakes (around here the word used would be 'tiny') then forget about it until the day, and pick up my min-winnings.
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    ToryJim said:
    Publicly announced decapitations seldom work, cf the Lib Dem strategy in 2005.

    Silent, under the radar ones work, cf Dave, George, and Sir Lynton wiping out the Yellow Peril
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Esther McVey next Tory leader.

    You heard it here first

    any ideas on how to get an arsehole corporate lawyer to stop being an arsehole ?

    I'm working on a deal atm and getting out the balaclava and baseball bat is fast becoming the only solution
    Yes, you need to hire an even bigger arsehole of a corporate lawyer.

    The sort who'd quite happily bill you whilst he was visiting a lap dancing club.
    How are you fixed then? ..... innocent face .................
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Scott_P said:
    They're so confident of a good majority they can afford to throw seats away?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684

    Hurrah, Mrs May's doing the right thing, Dave was wrong when he promised this.

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/857339266384449537

    Until 2022.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited April 2017
    Where do they find these cretins? It seems like the NUS need the same treatment as the labour party and rebuild.

    Head of NUS who never went to uni.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/26/zionist-row-president-ousted-top-national-union-students/
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
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    Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,301

    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    Feels like two stories together to me:

    1. Polling is 20%

    2. Even without any Lab-Con swing, rolling the UKIP vote into the Cons would overturn the existing Lab majority in 61 of the top targets. Simplistic, of course, but a clear illustration of where Lab could be heading.

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    If a bookie were to market these what do you think fair odds should be?

    A BPC-registered pollster shows Tories achieving 51% of votes?
    The Tories in the election to achieve a majority of votes?
    A BPC-registered pollster shows Lib Dems achieving a higher share than Labour?
    The Lib Dems in the election to achieve a higher share than Labour?

    The fourth of these is an active market (for those fools who wish to throw their money away).
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    I think that Mirror story is bollocks.

    If Labour are on 20%, they are losing more than 61 seats to the Tories

    Feels like two stories together to me:

    1. Polling is 20%

    2. Even without any Lab-Con swing, rolling the UKIP vote into the Cons would overturn the existing Lab majority in 61 of the top targets. Simplistic, of course, but a clear illustration of where Lab could be heading.

    Yes, makes sense on a second reading.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hurrah, Mrs May's doing the right thing, Dave was wrong when he promised this.

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/857339266384449537

    Until 2022.
    That is another election away.

    Juncker 1 Brexiteers nil.

    You can see why giving Theresa carte blanche to agree without parliamentary scrutiny may not be wise.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    I'm trying to come up with an appropriate analogy and really failing.

    Couldn't they have selected someone like Mark Reckless instead?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061

    ToryJim said:
    Publicly announced decapitations seldom work, cf the Lib Dem strategy in 2005.

    Silent, under the radar ones work, cf Dave, George, and Sir Lynton wiping out the Yellow Peril
    Sounds smarter - just go big and broad, pick up a few scalps amid the tide, even if a few bigger beasts remain.
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    Hurrah, Mrs May's doing the right thing, Dave was wrong when he promised this.

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/857339266384449537

    Until 2022.
    A kiss .....isn't that normally followed by a slap (see YouTube clip)?
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    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    I'm trying to come up with an appropriate analogy and really failing.

    Couldn't they have selected someone like Mark Reckless instead?
    steady on.... that's right down with Sol Cambell.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited April 2017
    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    I'm trying to come up with an appropriate analogy and really failing.

    Couldn't they have selected someone like Mark Reckless instead?
    The perfect Tory candidate for richmond would have been ........................

    You guessed it

    George Osborne.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061

    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.

    UKIP resurge in the next few weeks if that plan catches on in the media?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Where do they find these cretins? It seems like the NUS need the same treatment as the labour party and rebuild.

    Head of NUS who never went to uni.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/26/zionist-row-president-ousted-top-national-union-students/

    It's an improvement on the last one...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684

    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.

    Of course we are.

    The Treaty of Rome wasn't unbuilt in a day.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour Nottingham North (maj 33.6%): Alex Norris, Nottingham Cllr.

    A Tory gain from Labour here was the biggest shock of the night in 1983 and possibly could be again.
    Why was it a big shock ?

    The swing was just over 3%, almost bang in line with the UNS.

    It WOULD be a big shock this time.
    Nottingham North was amusing in 1983 because the Conservative majority was only 362 whilst 1,184 votes went to the communist candidate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    The swing was more like 8% as boundary changes had been beneficial for Labour.
    ICYMI earlier - You asked me about Sheffield, I spoke to my Labour councillor friend, he said he won't be spending any time in Sheffield Hallam as that would be a waste of time, he's focusing on Sheffield Central, he's worried about the Greens there.
    Thanks.

    I see the Greens have shortened to 9/1, which is probably still value.

    Nathalie Bennett is a bit of a harridan though - I wonder if the Greens would have done better with a local councillor as a candidate.
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    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684

    Hurrah, Mrs May's doing the right thing, Dave was wrong when he promised this.

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/857339266384449537

    Until 2022.
    That is another election away.

    Juncker 1 Brexiteers nil.

    You can see why giving Theresa carte blanche to agree without parliamentary scrutiny may not be wise.

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwnn.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: Ladbrokes offering 9/2 that LDs will win more votes than LAB
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    £5 of betting later, I am spent. Time for pilates.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    I don't think the odds on Con take out Kendall very high. Certainly not the evens at PP. Leicester voted remain and Liz is an active local presence.

    Con take out Ashworth at 33/1 in Leics South is reasonable value though.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    If a bookie were to market these what do you think fair odds should be?

    A BPC-registered pollster shows Tories achieving 51% of votes?
    The Tories in the election to achieve a majority of votes?
    A BPC-registered pollster shows Lib Dems achieving a higher share than Labour?
    The Lib Dems in the election to achieve a higher share than Labour?

    The fourth of these is an active market (for those fools who wish to throw their money away).
    The fourth is the least likely (which says a lot that the second could be taken more seriously) but it is a better than 50/1 shot I'd think. 50/1 shots can come in.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,476

    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing

    She winds me up something chronic.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Ladbrokes offering 9/2 that LDs will win more votes than LAB

    I wasn't aware that ordinary Britons had resorted to burn their money for heating...
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited April 2017
    Julia Dockerill selected as the Tory candidate for Hornchurch and Upminster.

    " A Conservative Councillor in Tower Hamlets since 2014, where she represents the ward of St Katharine’s and Wapping, Dockerill works in Parliament as Chief of Staff to Mark Field MP. Born and raised in Essex, she was co-author with Field of the books The Best of Times and Between the Crashes, and is currently working on a social and economic modern history of London called London in the Noughties"
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    booksellerbookseller Posts: 421
    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    Looks like Sarah Olney's still going to be an MP on June 9th.

    There's a difference between a by-election and a general election here. in the by-election the libdems could concentrate their resources but at the general their resources are more thinly spread. that could make the 2% ish swing from the by-election. especially as he got over 50% in 2015
    He could win it back, though it seems odd to reward him for causing them to lose the seat in the first place.
    There will be a lot of prodigal sons (and daughters) returning to the Tory fold on June 9...

    I think the Tories will be well up for this, and agree with the by-election / election analysis. Richmond was a protest vote, and incumbent hasn't had enough time to win over enough of the electorate in the short time. Appreciate there will be an anti-Zac effect, but not enough to depress his vote given the country-wide narrative.

    Shame, because I really rate Sarah Olney and her election was a good thing to have happened. But no room for sentimentality in politics...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.

    UKIP resurge in the next few weeks if that plan catches on in the media?
    No way. UKIP are making the Labour campaign look like a well oiled machine.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,925
    edited April 2017
    If Labour did poll 20% UNS is out of the window really isn't it? I mean, at that level there would be pretty much be nowhere safe?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited April 2017
    Times story cliffs...Trade body says we want the government to pay for our members to have more business...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997
    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    The alternative was Laura Farris, who makes Heidi Allen look right wing by comparison.
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    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.

    Of course we are.

    The Treaty of Rome wasn't unbuilt in a day.
    But I thought the whole idea of holding a General Election now was to have the whole Brexit business done and dusted well before 2022, yet apparently we're now entering into transitional arrangements until ......... 2022! - Is it me?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143
    ToryJim said:
    Its odd how many of these Labour seats under threat don't have any Conservative councillors - the West Brom and Leicester seats for example.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    ToryJim said:

    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing

    She winds me up something chronic.
    Yeah, she is great stuff.

    Like a better looking Bill Cash.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    If a bookie were to market these what do you think fair odds should be?

    A BPC-registered pollster shows Tories achieving 51% of votes?
    The Tories in the election to achieve a majority of votes?
    A BPC-registered pollster shows Lib Dems achieving a higher share than Labour?
    The Lib Dems in the election to achieve a higher share than Labour?

    I don't bet with PBers, so (as the kids these days say) don't at me, but:

    In order:

    Definitely odds on, maybe 1/2.
    14/1 or so (about as likely as Lab most seats)
    25/1 ish
    33/1 ish (about as likely as Labour overall majority)

    If the polls stay as they are until the election and haven't overcompensated for the 2015 failure, I'd guess shares (assuming all parties stand everywhere) of Con 45, Lab 26.5, UKIP 8.5, LD 10.5, Grn 3.5, seats Con 390ish, Lab 180ish.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nickeardleybbc: The Electoral Alliance comes to life. Lib Dems not standing in Brighton Pavilion. Will support @CarolineLucas
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    If Labour did poll 20% UNS is out of the window really isn't it? I mean, at that level there would much be nowhere safe?
    When I put various models into Electoral Calculus, I have to put Labour to about 18% to get them below 100 seats.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,925
    Tories are mad to get involved with Zac again.

    Hopefully Richmond's voters will do their duty and send back to his trust fund (again)
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Where do they find these cretins? It seems like the NUS need the same treatment as the labour party and rebuild.

    Head of NUS who never went to uni.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/26/zionist-row-president-ousted-top-national-union-students/

    It's an improvement on the last one...
    Yes, naive prat is par for the course for NUS president. Anti-semitic bigot isn't, thankfully.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Ladbrokes offering 9/2 that LDs will win more votes than LAB

    Blimey. Are they offering odds on the other side of that bet?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Human rights until 2022, eu budget payments until 2020...Feels like we are heading for a transitional agreement between 2019 - 2022.

    Of course we are.

    The Treaty of Rome wasn't unbuilt in a day.
    But I thought the whole idea of holding a General Election now was to have the whole Brexit business done and dusted well before 2022, yet apparently we're now entering into transitional arrangements until ......... 2022! - Is it me?
    The EU was already speaking of a three year transition, this puts the timeline to me as:

    March 2017 Article 50 invoked
    June 2017 General Election
    March 2019 Exit EU, start of 3 year transition
    March 2022 end of transition, permanent arrangements begin
    May/June 2022 General Election
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,143

    ToryJim said:

    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing

    She winds me up something chronic.
    Yeah, she is great stuff.

    Like a better looking Bill Cash.
    Bill Cash won.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    ToryJim said:

    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing

    She winds me up something chronic.
    Yeah, she is great stuff.

    Like a better looking Bill Cash.
    Bill Cash won.
    Gina is quite young, she has time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    edited April 2017
    Scott_P said:
    Heh. Down to a mere 16 points. Wait for the panic/excitement when it is down to a mere12-3 (before rising again, probably).

    Figured the glut of 20+ leads would probably lead to a bit of a resurgence for Lab.

    Although frankly I am baffled both are so high. The Tory vote, well, I just have trouble accepting the evidence in my brain, but Lab have not dropped any support since 2015? Really?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    21st Century Socialism sweeping the nation.
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    Scott_P said:
    Told you Mrs May was crap and talk of a massive majority was silly.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    kle4 said:

    Although frankly I am baffled both are so high. The Tory vote, well, I just have trouble accepting the evidence in my brain, but Lab have not dropped any support since 2015? Really?

    And Lib Dems falling again and Kippers up? Hmmm.


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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited April 2017
    Do we honestly believe labour will get basically the same amount as under Ed Miliband and Gordon brown?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Scott_P said:
    We have six weeks of this to come before the real votes are counted.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    Scott_P said:

    @nickeardleybbc: The Electoral Alliance comes to life. Lib Dems not standing in Brighton Pavilion. Will support @CarolineLucas

    Just combine all the left and right parties into single options, they may as well. Same goes for Scottish unionists.
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    Perhaps it was a Dry evening :)
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Do we honestly believe labour will get basically the same amount as under Ed Miliband and Gordon brown?

    Nope.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    FPT. Really sorry to hear about the loss of your Dad @Sunil, my condolences to you and your family.
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    Do we honestly believe labour will get basically the same amount as under Ed Miliband and Gordon brown?

    Yes, they might do even better, remember the polls have a history of underestimating Labour.....oh wait
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Ladbrokes offering 9/2 that LDs will win more votes than LAB

    Very few outside the South show any great inclination to vote LD. Polling numbers remain horrendous north of Watford.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Scott_P said:
    Told you Mrs May was crap and talk of a massive majority was silly.
    Baxter: Con maj 118 (without Scotland prediction). And pretty close to my current SWAG of 45-26.5-10.5-8.5 (see 10:23pm).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298

    Do we honestly believe labour will get basically the same amount as under Ed Miliband and Gordon brown?

    Yes, they might do even better, remember the polls have a history of underestimating Labour.....oh wait
    Lol...Isn't the rule to take the worst labour figure?
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,963

    Gina Miller

    'We will be focussing on educating and empowering people to make a tactical vote and choosing MP's who will do the best for Britain'

    Educating !!!!!!!!! - sums up the arrogance and attitude of EU idealogs that anyone who is against Europe needs brain washing

    Did you see Andrew Neil take her apart the other day? Brutal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpD8RFl3zQ

    Gina Miller must be the least likeable person in politics at the moment - arrogant, condescending, thoroughly self-righteous, I hope for the same of my book she gets as much airtime in the next few weeks as possible.

    Seriously though - where is Labour's floor? I am slightly up on a Con majority 100-149, very, very green on a Con majority 150 - 199 and slightly up on anything between 200 - 250.

    I left my notes at work so I can't reproduce the working, but I estimated a Con majority of 231 if Labour fall to 120 seats which, if private polling suggests 20%, is quite possible.

    Assuming I can afford to lose a few quid, where are the value bets on that kind of majority now? The Con majority and number of Labour seats odds have fallen drastically over the last couple of days. I'm assuming the best odds are on upsets in individual seats.

    I hear Blyth Valley mentioned but what about Tynemouth? It was Conservative until 1997.
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    fitalass said:

    Scott_P said:
    We have six weeks of this to come before the real votes are counted.
    to work chums! this is the meme we need ... at this stage.
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