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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    IanB2 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    ToryJim said:
    It'd be interesting if the Tories had been somewhere even remotely close in the last 20 years (they last won it in 1992). at the last election the libdems got 1525 votes. If it is to stop the tories winning the seat it feels like a pointless effort. The tories would need to pick up a lot of (ie most) the labour votes for it to even be close. Caroline Lucas must be popular there...
    I suspect this deal was done some time back.
    Bleh, I reckon we should have negotiated a stand down in Lewes for it.
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    Also, I don't get why American Conservatives think like THIS:
    https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/856988410191523841

    There was a very good article about this in the FT the weekend before last. A Baptist pastor-cum-Academic from the Deep South reckons that the "cultural Christian" vote there is nothing of the sort, but that a religious label is ostentatiously displayed like a fig-leaf. He is appalled by the American voters' fascination for the sins they are NOT LIKELY to commit (such as abortion and homosexuality) but don't care two bits for the ones that they do commit on a very regular basis - such as gluttony and divorce. Apparently, divorce is more prevalent amongst protestant Christians in the US than in any other religious group. He is also appalled by the intemperate attacks on Mrs Clinton, which he regards as the exact opposite of both Christianity and Southern Charm.

    Sorry, I can't post the article because it is behind a paywall, and I don't subscribe - but it is worth seeking out.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    surbiton said:
    The Vote Leave argument was never that the EU was not worth the US making a deal with. It was that the EU was incapable of reaching a comprehensive agreement with the US due to the interests of French farmers etc and the need to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    I don't see anything in the link to suggest that was wrong. It doesn't matter whether we're first, second or third in the queue, if we are only capable of actually getting through the gates by ourselves then that is irrelevant.
    So the Vote Leave argument is that the EU is incapable of concluding comprehensive trade agreements? A bizarre position since the feasibility of Brexit relies on it being totally wrong.
    The EU has been capable of concluding comprehensive agreements with its European neighbours but has struggled with major agreements from other continents yes. Thus we can leave and seek a neighbours agreement, while capable of then seeking our own agreements for those further afield.
    Presumably because as a strong, centralised state, we can tell "farmers in Wales" to get stuffed?

    https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/857169809632526337
    That much is obvious. A free trade deal with Oz, NZ or Canada is going to mean cheap imported food. Good for consumers, less good for our farmers and landscape.
    Managing the landscape will be a vital source of incomes going forward for framers-every farmer i know says that CAP has hopelessly failed all but the Barely barons and their ilk.
    That said they have no great confidence in the NFU or the politicians to get it right going forwards.
    Barely Barons...Hardly Earls...Marginal Marquis....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,292
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Oh, looks like the LDs won't be standing against the Speaker after all

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dems-wont-stand-against-speaker-54073.html

    That's an odd one. Did the local party move without authorization or something? If they felt on principle that, notwithstanding convention (which has not been universally applied anyway) that the people of Buckinghamshire deserve more of a choice, odd that they've changed tack. A shame, it's one convention I don't think adds much.

    If the Speaker sticks to convention and acts non-partisanly, then it is a convention that adds a lot.

    Otherwise if you make the Speaker fight for his seat then the Speaker will have to become a partisan himself in order to fight his opponents and win his seat.

    How is a Speaker supposed to fight opposition parties through an election campaign but not before or after it? The American Speaker is a leader of his party and one of the most partisan figures there is in American politics, is that how we want our politics to be ran?
    It feels like it limits part of the role of an MP that someone may have wanted from them, and means they have no way of expressing their preferential politics, can that be balanced against the benefits of a non-partisan Speaker. The first comment on LDV about it suggests 'He/she should be chosen at the end of a Parliament to serve in the next Parliament without a geographical constituency', which is intriguing if not without issue, but I think more thought needs to go into it. For one thing 'little' parties still stand, so they still have to fight a campaign, just not as hard as they would have had to otherwise.(The SNP stood against Martin and are now a big party in the area)

    More to the point, even big parties have stood against Speakers before, so despite your scenario apparently they have managed it before, therefore we know it can be done again. (Labour and the Liberals stood against Selwyn Lloyd in 74, twice, and against Hylton-Foster in 64)
    I thought the argument here was that Bercow has pre-announced he will step down as speaker in 2018 and therefore the snap election means that for the majority of the coming parliament he will, if elected, be another Tory MP. That he gets elected without residents of the seat having any real choice is clearly wrong. What reason the LibDems have for suddenly changing their mind, I don't know.
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    ToryJim said:
    Aha - so that's why the Lib Dem has been stood down in the Peoples Republic of Bercow.

    [joke]
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,397

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
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    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Didn't TSE indicate here recently that he was seriously considering giving up his Tory party membership? - I wouldn't imagine that would go down too well with the Tatton faithful.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312
    IanB2 said:

    I thought the argument here was that Bercow has pre-announced he will step down as speaker in 2018 and therefore the snap election means that for the majority of the coming parliament he will, if elected, be another Tory MP. That he gets elected without residents of the seat having any real choice is clearly wrong. What reason the LibDems have for suddenly changing their mind, I don't know.

    The convention is for speakers to immediately stand down as an MP when standing down as speaker (and becoming a crossbench peer). so if/when Bercow steps down in this parliament he will trigger a by-election in his seat
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    Are UKIP going to be sticking up candidates everywhere ?

    The last thing Labour needs is for UKIP not to run in a whole bunch of places !
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    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    ToryJim said:
    Aha - so that's why the Lib Dem has been stood down in the Peoples Republic of Bercow.

    [joke]
    Your team not going to score a goal?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,739

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Congratulations!
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Well done. Do you know anything about politics? I am not convinced your new boss knows anything about journalism :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Has anyone told Joe Murphy ?
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    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Congratulations!
    The smiley was an indicator I was joking.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Didn't TSE indicate here recently that he was seriously considering giving up his Tory party membership? - I wouldn't imagine that would go down too well with the Tatton faithful.
    oh he's just teasing, it's as likely as malcolm having underwear
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    edited April 2017

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
    We shall soon find out - has he not teased TV appearances this GE? When are those due?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited April 2017

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
    No. More like this :D:D

    image
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    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Right, time to break my betting virginity. I have £5 burning a hole in my pocket (well, smouldering a hole), any suggestions?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Are UKIP going to be sticking up candidates everywhere ?

    The last thing Labour needs is for UKIP not to run in a whole bunch of places !

    They said they will not put up against pro Brexit mps. Doubt they will field many candidates
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
    Having already confessed to be surprised at Labour's resilience and the size of the Tory share I can admit to being perplexed that the Lib Dems seem to be making so little progress in the polls. Rather than concentrating on anti-Toryism (particularly when they are doing so well) they really should be looking to feed on Labour's carcass. Both tactically and strategically this seems the only game in town if they are to become relevant again and standing aside for a party well to the left of even Corbyn doesn't seem to me to be a particularly clever way to go about it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    The Tory supporters now can be compared to Trump supporters.

    Not true, Tories lead with graduates and Hillary won graduates in the US (Romney won them in 2012). Trump's coalition was closer to that of the Leave vote, though he did win the richest voters unlike Leave his biggest lead was with middle income voters
    Did the USA have a dramatic expansion of university attendance in a similar way to our own?
    Pretty much, in 1965 there were 6 million college enrollments in the US compared to 21 million this year
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183995/us-college-enrollment-and-projections-in-public-and-private-institutions/
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Prodicus said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Stephanie Peacock selected by Labour in Barnsley East.

    She used to date Tom Watson....
    contested Halesowen & Rowley Regis in 2015. Works for GMB

    http://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/breaking-candidate-to-fight-election-for-labour-in-barnsley-east-revealed

    Labour nepotism is pretty striking.

    How's Stephanie Flanders getting on?
    Appalling taste
    Has anything bad happened to her? I apologise unreservedly if it has.
    I think she's master of an Oxbridge college now. I could be wrong.

    I thought she worked for JPMorgan.
    On that note, they're moving jobs to Poland:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17S1PD
    My employer transferred certain functions to Poland before we voted to leave the EU
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,739

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Congratulations!
    The smiley was an indicator I was joking.
    Isn't it usually a wink
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    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Congratulations!
    The smiley was an indicator I was joking.
    Isn't it usually a wink
    Is it? I'm not really an expert on smilies.

    Similes yes, smilies no.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,739
    edited April 2017

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Didn't TSE indicate here recently that he was seriously considering giving up his Tory party membership? - I wouldn't imagine that would go down too well with the Tatton faithful.
    oh he's just teasing, it's as likely as malcolm having underwear
    He doesn't?

    What does wear on his head ?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
    Having already confessed to be surprised at Labour's resilience and the size of the Tory share I can admit to being perplexed that the Lib Dems seem to be making so little progress in the polls. Rather than concentrating on anti-Toryism (particularly when they are doing so well) they really should be looking to feed on Labour's carcass. Both tactically and strategically this seems the only game in town if they are to become relevant again and standing aside for a party well to the left of even Corbyn doesn't seem to me to be a particularly clever way to go about it.
    There'll be some of that, to be sure - there was this story just today on David Ward for Bradford about Labour's over promising spending they cannot deliver, and it seems all over other places too.

    http://www.davidwardforbradford.org.uk/_labour_payrise_for_nhs_staff_has_already_been_spent_10_times_over
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    Hurrah for Ester McVey, I told you she had the nomination nailed on even before George's endorsement.

    Totally unrelated, you're looking at the new political editor of The Evening Standard, nice consolation :lol:
    Congratulations!
    The smiley was an indicator I was joking.
    Isn't it usually a wink
    He is obviously not a winker! ;)
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Great news about Esther Mcvey - heading back to government as well.

    On another note playing around on EC for NE England is extraordinary for the number of potential Labour losses there. I know there's a long way to go but....
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
    We shall soon find out - has he not teased TV appearances this GE? When are those due?
    nothing can beat the shock of James Kelly on TV

    avatar JK = young Brad Pitt

    reality JK = Jabba the Nat

    Monika still made the best summary

    PBer " Monika stop being so personal, play the ball not the man"

    Monika " but what if I cant tell the difference ? "
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,397

    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Unless she gets hit by a bus, she'll be a minister in less than 2 months.
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    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Oh dear - TSE missed out on selection then :D
    TSE is just eye candy for Cheshire ladies
    I would not know. I have never met him :)
    me neither

    but I visualise him as Mr Potato head with red shoes :-)
    No. More like this :D:D

    image
    that'sMike Smithson :-)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Chancellor? :-)
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    I

    LOVE

    CHRISTIAN
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Unless she gets hit by a bus, she'll be a minister in less than 2 months.
    You are Justin-lite and I claim my £5 ;) <---- (note icon)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
    Nothing could be Alan winning his bet with Malcolm. Nothing.
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    Esther McVey next Tory leader.

    You heard it here first
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,397

    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Unless she gets hit by a bus, she'll be a minister in less than 2 months.
    You are Justin-lite and I claim my £5 ;) <---- (note icon)</p>
    As long as I'm not Justin Bieber.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Unless she gets hit by a bus, she'll be a minister in less than 2 months.
    would be unfortunate if it's minister of transport
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Any suggestions for a low stake bet going by any chance?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    I

    LOVE

    CHRISTIAN

    So the answer is yes, apparently.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Have we got to the bottom of what arse Clive lewis pulled his polling from?
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    If Esther McVey wins Tatton, if The Tories win a majority, Mrs May should definitely put Esther McVey straight into a top cabinet job.

    Chancellor? :-)
    First Lord of The Treasury.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017
    Floater said:

    Prodicus said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Stephanie Peacock selected by Labour in Barnsley East.

    She used to date Tom Watson....
    contested Halesowen & Rowley Regis in 2015. Works for GMB

    http://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/breaking-candidate-to-fight-election-for-labour-in-barnsley-east-revealed

    Labour nepotism is pretty striking.

    How's Stephanie Flanders getting on?
    Appalling taste
    Has anything bad happened to her? I apologise unreservedly if it has.
    I think she's master of an Oxbridge college now. I could be wrong.

    I thought she worked for JPMorgan.
    On that note, they're moving jobs to Poland:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17S1PD
    My employer transferred certain functions to Poland before we voted to leave the EU
    From the article - "he estimates of financial services jobs moved from all Western countries to Poland range from 35,000 to 45,000"

    Cheap labour.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,419
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
    Having already confessed to be surprised at Labour's resilience and the size of the Tory share I can admit to being perplexed that the Lib Dems seem to be making so little progress in the polls. Rather than concentrating on anti-Toryism (particularly when they are doing so well) they really should be looking to feed on Labour's carcass. Both tactically and strategically this seems the only game in town if they are to become relevant again and standing aside for a party well to the left of even Corbyn doesn't seem to me to be a particularly clever way to go about it.
    Theory: the Lib Dems have maxed out the available supply of distraught Europhiles. 8% (Lib bedrock vote) + 3% (weeping Continuity Remainers) = 11% (all they've got.)

    Then again, there are still six weeks to go...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited April 2017

    Esther McVey next Tory leader.

    You heard it here first

    any ideas on how to get an arsehole corporate lawyer to stop being an arsehole ?

    I'm working on a deal atm and getting out the balaclava and baseball bat is fast becoming the only solution
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited April 2017

    Juncker looks scared:

    I think that's just his sober face. We don't get to see it often.
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    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
    Nothing could be Alan winning his bet with Malcolm. Nothing.
    (Sorry, DavidL, but what exactly is Alan's bet with Malcolm?)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
    Having already confessed to be surprised at Labour's resilience and the size of the Tory share I can admit to being perplexed that the Lib Dems seem to be making so little progress in the polls. Rather than concentrating on anti-Toryism (particularly when they are doing so well) they really should be looking to feed on Labour's carcass. Both tactically and strategically this seems the only game in town if they are to become relevant again and standing aside for a party well to the left of even Corbyn doesn't seem to me to be a particularly clever way to go about it.
    Theory: the Lib Dems have maxed out the available supply of distraught Europhiles. 8% (Lib bedrock vote) + 3% (weeping Continuity Remainers) = 11% (all they've got.)

    Then again, there are still six weeks to go...
    They should be going for the "we need a bloody opposition capable of stringing a sentence together" bloc. It is a large target rich environment.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Scott_P said:
    And that's at least one sitting Lib Dem whose survival chances have just improved.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,419
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Has he had his hands superglued to the front door of Number 10?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    edited April 2017

    Esther McVey next Tory leader.

    You heard it here first

    any ideas on how to get an arsehole corporate lawyer to stop being an arsehole ?

    I'm working on a deal atm and getting out the balaclava and baseball bat is fast becoming the only solution
    Yes, you need to hire an even bigger arsehole of a corporate lawyer.

    The sort who'd quite happily bill you whilst he was visiting a lap dancing club.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311
    ToryJim said:
    Why? Just why? So he can vote against government policy again?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:
    Yet another compelling reason not to vote Lib Dem for me. Prasinus delenda est.
    Did you consult you Spectator 'Unionist voting guide' first?
    No. But their being useful idiots to the SNP certainly pushed them even further off the end of a disappointingly short pier than they were already.
    I usually vote LD, but there's an alarming number of LDs who seem quite eager not to have some people vote for them. Endorsing the Greens, far more extreme than most Tories (not all Tories, admittedly), is one example, MarkS losing his mind and attacking anyone questioning the politics of Farron's behaviour over the last few days as hating the LDs is a minor example of another.

    They've got the LD Leavers to hold onto, they don't need to put off others. But in fairness endorsing the Greens, and Lucas in particular, probably costs them very little even if it is in the service of the only cause that matters, anti-Toryism (why not just have one big anti-tory party if that's so?) - the neighbouring Tory MP was praiseworthy of her too as I recall, and she is well regarded, even if the party should be less so in my eyes (their manifesto was well presented last time though - had tables in the back and everything, which made me more at ease regardless of content, and they had the best PPB).
    Having already confessed to be surprised at Labour's resilience and the size of the Tory share I can admit to being perplexed that the Lib Dems seem to be making so little progress in the polls. Rather than concentrating on anti-Toryism (particularly when they are doing so well) they really should be looking to feed on Labour's carcass. Both tactically and strategically this seems the only game in town if they are to become relevant again and standing aside for a party well to the left of even Corbyn doesn't seem to me to be a particularly clever way to go about it.
    Theory: the Lib Dems have maxed out the available supply of distraught Europhiles. 8% (Lib bedrock vote) + 3% (weeping Continuity Remainers) = 11% (all they've got.)

    Then again, there are still six weeks to go...
    The LibDem bedrock is about 5%.

    Of the 8% the LibDems had in 2015 they've lost annoyed Leavers and tactical / incumbency votes for their defeated MPs.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    ToryJim said:
    Suboptimal.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
    Nothing could be Alan winning his bet with Malcolm. Nothing.
    (Sorry, DavidL, but what exactly is Alan's bet with Malcolm?)
    That Salmond is going to lose his seat. I think it started as a gentle wind up but....
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    ToryJim said:
    Suboptimal.
    I'm surprised the Tories would pick someone who caused a completely unnecessary by-election. What if he flounces out again?
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    Let's hope Juncker went easy on the juice this time!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fASN9oYGdw
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    Looks like Sarah Olney's still going to be an MP on June 9th.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    Esther McVey next Tory leader.

    You heard it here first

    any ideas on how to get an arsehole corporate lawyer to stop being an arsehole ?

    I'm working on a deal atm and getting out the balaclava and baseball bat is fast becoming the only solution
    Yes, you need to hire an even bigger arsehole of a corporate lawyer.

    The sort who'd quite happily bill you whilst he was visiting a lap dancing club.
    I'm going to stick with mindless violence

    it's cheaper

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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Is Shaun Bailey going to find a seat?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/857335897875939328
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    ToryJim said:
    Clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,289
    Why does the Con Party allow this?

    Why on earth would you want someone committed to inflicting maximum damage on the Party?

    May should veto this.

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017

    Has he had his hands superglued to the front door of Number 10?
    Handcuffs :smile:

    It does look like a hostage situation.
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    Not at all sure that is a good move
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,152
    edited April 2017
    Alistair said:

    For the first time in forever this one does actually seem to me like a false flag.

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/413804/update-forfar-lockdown-was-due-to-politically-motivated-anthrax-threat-articleisfree/

    Would any Tory actually write Tory?

    Good point.

    'SNP Out - the Ruth against Ind Ref II forevah & evah party in' much more likely.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311
    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Zac.
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    JonWCJonWC Posts: 285
    Re Exeter - many commentators on here seems to be think Ben Bradshaw will be able to fight the national tide. I'm not so sure. It is certainly true that Labour are superbly organised there (I fought the seat years ago) but quite a few of the leading lights seem to have dropped out. Any personal support he has is already encoded in his majority surely.. not obvious why he would outperform a national swing. Another relevant factor: look at a map. He is surrounded by an army of Tories who are not going to have to work too hard in their own seats and have been keen to get rid of him for years.

    Might well be a bet worth having. I'd say if the Tories take the vast majority of seats with majorities less than 10k Exeter will be one.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Tim Farron?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311
    OUT said:

    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Zac.
    Ok. Anyone else?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
    Nothing could be Alan winning his bet with Malcolm. Nothing.
    (Sorry, DavidL, but what exactly is Alan's bet with Malcolm?)
    That Salmond is going to lose his seat. I think it started as a gentle wind up but....
    I was going to double up and go for a 10000 majority for the Tory candidate, but then jacob Rees Mogg decided not to stand in Gordon

    a man more in touch with the Scottish electorate than Salmond
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    The lib dems?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    Not at all sure that is a good move
    Very good move for those of us with 25/1 on Olney...
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Prodicus said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Peter Kellner‏ @PeterKellner1

    Labour's only chance: copy Australian Labor Party 1983 and get new Leader BEFORE campaign #GeneralElection"

    Given Lab's currently murderous family dynamic, HTF do they do that?

    My mischievous side is wondering if Tom Watson might be in trouble in West Bromwich East. He's defending a 9,500 majority, just over 50% of the vote, but UKIP and the Tories combined were nudging 45%. Moreover, there are rumours Labour are doing much worse than West Midlands than elsewhere (which to judge from their abject performance in Wales, would be pretty bloody awful).

    In which case, Corbyn might legitimately point out that if he resigned, Labour would be left completely leaderless - and therefore he had to stay on at least until a new deputy leader was elected.

    Mind you, even allowing for that watching everyone's least favourite bully and the most inept political fixer of all time getting hammered would be delicious. It would be like Putney '97 only much funnier because David Mellor may like Watson be a graceless buffoon, a complete political failure and a serial adulterer but he has some good points.
    Sadly, Watson is a relatively unlikely casualty. Even if two-thirds of the entire Ukip vote defected to the Tories, they would still need something like a 5.6% swing against Labour on top of that to defeat him.

    Even if Labour is - let us fervently hope - reduced to a rump, Watson would probably be part of it.
    I think Watson could be the shock of the night.
    You have no idea how much I want that to be true.
    Nothing could be Alan winning his bet with Malcolm. Nothing.
    (Sorry, DavidL, but what exactly is Alan's bet with Malcolm?)
    That Salmond is going to lose his seat. I think it started as a gentle wind up but....
    OK, thanks. I will add that to my list - it's number 5 of things I want to happen to specific candidates, preferably by a very large margin!
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    ToryJim said:
    Suboptimal.
    Indeed
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    I've always voted Lib Dem and I've been a member for 45 years but their increasingly illiberal approach is starting to really piss me off. Seems to me that Pickles is in charge, not Farron.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Scott_P said:
    I suspect he'll win it but a strange choice - he must be popular among members but seriously lacks charisma.
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312

    Looks like Sarah Olney's still going to be an MP on June 9th.

    There's a difference between a by-election and a general election here. in the by-election the libdems could concentrate their resources but at the general their resources are more thinly spread. that could make the 2% ish swing from the by-election. especially as he got over 50% in 2015
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    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Sarah Olney
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017
    20%.....Picks jaw up off the floor....And Tories only just getting started on jezza the terrorists beat friend.
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    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    DavidL said:

    Is there anyone who thinks selecting Zac is a good idea?

    Anyone at all?

    Certainly not me. A cowardly and shameful choice in my opinion. Thank God I can vote for Justine instead in neighbouring Putney.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    The Tory supporters now can be compared to Trump supporters.

    Not true, Tories lead with graduates and Hillary won graduates in the US (Romney won them in 2012). Trump's coalition was closer to that of the Leave vote, though he did win the richest voters unlike Leave his biggest lead was with middle income voters
    Did the USA have a dramatic expansion of university attendance in a similar way to our own?
    Pretty much, in 1965 there were 6 million college enrollments in the US compared to 21 million this year
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183995/us-college-enrollment-and-projections-in-public-and-private-institutions/
    Thanks, that's interesting. Probably I just missed it, but I don't recollect any comment on that aspect of education/age voting intentions during the recent US election.
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