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Malmesbury said:

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

fpt for Sean Fear

I went to Paris a few weeks ago, and took a trip to St Denis, one of the most notorious banlieus.

It was extraordinary. It's one train stop from Gare du Nord, but it feels like a declining suburb of Tunis mixed with central Bucharest. Barely a white face. Zero cops. Arab youths were openly dealing drugs, or cooking kebabs on shopping trolleys, right outside the station.

I saw a fistfight between street traders, no one intervened.

France is in a very strange condition. Parts of it are still amongst the most delightful and civilised places on earth. But their problems go deep, even as they are hidden away on the outskirts of the cities.

Even Bury Park isn't as bad as that.

It's an extreme version of the way things work in France - if you are part of The Thing (connections etc) you do very very well. If you are not....

As you say, in places like France and Italy people have always needed connections to get anywhere and, by definition, immigrants are going to have a problem simply because they're newcomers. It's bad enough for Europeans from other countries to get things done with all the bureaucracy. No wonder the migrants at Calais are so desperate to get to Britain.

ITN are reporting the second policeman is dead.

SeanT said:

Full French Cabinet called for an emergency session.

Probably not an armed robbery.

and one house raided already

AndyJS said:

Malmesbury said:

Sean_F said:

SeanT said:

fpt for Sean Fear

I went to Paris a few weeks ago, and took a trip to St Denis, one of the most notorious banlieus.

It was extraordinary. It's one train stop from Gare du Nord, but it feels like a declining suburb of Tunis mixed with central Bucharest. Barely a white face. Zero cops. Arab youths were openly dealing drugs, or cooking kebabs on shopping trolleys, right outside the station.

I saw a fistfight between street traders, no one intervened.

France is in a very strange condition. Parts of it are still amongst the most delightful and civilised places on earth. But their problems go deep, even as they are hidden away on the outskirts of the cities.

Even Bury Park isn't as bad as that.

It's an extreme version of the way things work in France - if you are part of The Thing (connections etc) you do very very well. If you are not....

As you say, in places like France and Italy people have always needed connections to get anywhere and, by definition, immigrants are going to have a problem simply because they're newcomers. It's bad enough for Europeans from other countries to get things done with all the bureaucracy. No wonder the migrants at Calais are so desperate to get to Britain.

How many Frenchmen can't be wrong?
- Groucho Marx

Rhubarb said:

augustus_carp said:

Is there a definitive list of MPs standing down?

There's the sourced wikipedia list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Members_of_Parliament_not_standing_for_re-election

Excellent, many thanks! I have just got back from Dorset - it seems to be unclear as to whether Oliver Letwin is standing down or not. Lib Dems say he is, the paper says it's not been decided yet.

Anti-terrorist prosecutors have opened an investigation, indicating that the motive is believed to have been terrorism, and the attacker was known to the intelligence services, security sources said.

Alanbrooke said:

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

DESIST !

Nick FFS without being overly glum or political, you have probably 10 years of very active life in you, Get out ! Enjoy it !

Do all those things you always promised yourself to do. Shag all of SeanTs 20 year old cast offs ! Go boozing on the Cote dazur with Roger ! Go to Spurs matches with Southam and laugh at the crushing of hope !

But westmisnter nah - go looking for joy and fun - no one ever wishes theyd spent more time in the office.

On the other hands, in this political climate there's little to no chance of Nick winning, but he will substantially suppress Soubry's majority and make it easier for Labour to retake in the 2022 election. Plus it's only a couple months of that time, after which Nick can go do whatever.

Floater said:

Anti-terrorist prosecutors have opened an investigation, indicating that the motive is believed to have been terrorism, and the attacker was known to the intelligence services, security sources said.

Police are searching for a suspect Youssouf El Osri. Who arrived from Belgium with Thalys train.

Chameleon said:

Alanbrooke said:

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

DESIST !

Nick FFS without being overly glum or political, you have probably 10 years of very active life in you, Get out ! Enjoy it !

Do all those things you always promised yourself to do. Shag all of SeanTs 20 year old cast offs ! Go boozing on the Cote dazur with Roger ! Go to Spurs matches with Southam and laugh at the crushing of hope !

But westmisnter nah - go looking for joy and fun - no one ever wishes theyd spent more time in the office.

On the other hands, in this political climate there's little to no chance of Nick winning, but he will substantially suppress Soubry's majority and make it easier for Labour to retake in the 2022 election. Plus it's only a couple months of that time, after which Nick can go do whatever.

Just think of his election slogan - Bring Back The Cat!

kle4 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Black_Rook said:

In a Labour heartland I can find hardly anyone who wants to vote for them

Mirror columnist Paul Routledge finds bad news for Camp Corbyn in the Labour stronghold of Wakefield, West Yorkshire...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-heartland-can-find-hardly-10258670#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Worth a read for those looking for further reassurance that the wreck of Labour is coming. Plenty of praise from voters for Theresa May, derision for Corbyn, no interest in Ukip. All courtesy of a Labour-leaning paper, not Mail propaganda. Wonderful!

The liking or probably better say respect for may from strong anti-trump areas is puzzling. She is at best drab and uninspiring. I get why people liked Thatcher and blair, but may is more John major.

I don't quite get it myself - Corbyn being the alternative can only be part of it, and she does have a sort of dull, competent air about her, which I guess appeals, but she seems, at present, to really connect with people somehow. If she can sustain that, she is set for great things.

I did some fairly vigorous Canvassing today. This morning I spoke to some people in the High Street who I knew voted out in the referendum but who otherwise hadn't seen the inside of a polling station for donkeys' years if ever ("no point, Tories always get in round here") and they all said they were going to vote in the GE and vote Conservative. Why? Teresa May, that is why. She seems to be genuinely popular with the C2DE ladies, partly because they feel she will stop the toffs blocking the exit from the EU that they voted for last year, and partly because she is a woman who will "not stand any shit from any man".

Earlier this evening I took soundings from the most politically aware group in my area, i.e. the public bar of the New Inn. The UKIP tendency has gone. Those who supported UKIP are going to vote Conservative (again). I took particular care to check up on the current opinions of the Hurstpierpoint labour group, he said he will also be be voting Conservative because "That Teresa is right and Corbyn is a .... . (as a matter of fine interest the local Labour group is also Welsh, from the valleys).

Silly stuff in the great scheme of things (especially as this is one of teh safest Conservative seats in the country) and pure anecdote, but I wonder in how many other places, in cities and villages all over, are similar stories being played out and similar feelings held.

SeanT said:

Live TV from Paris looks pretty alarming.

The BBC is showing an eyewitness called OGUR

HurstLlama said:

kle4 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Black_Rook said:

In a Labour heartland I can find hardly anyone who wants to vote for them

Mirror columnist Paul Routledge finds bad news for Camp Corbyn in the Labour stronghold of Wakefield, West Yorkshire...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-heartland-can-find-hardly-10258670#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Worth a read for those looking for further reassurance that the wreck of Labour is coming. Plenty of praise from voters for Theresa May, derision for Corbyn, no interest in Ukip. All courtesy of a Labour-leaning paper, not Mail propaganda. Wonderful!

The liking or probably better say respect for may from strong anti-trump areas is puzzling. She is at best drab and uninspiring. I get why people liked Thatcher and blair, but may is more John major.

I don't quite get it myself - Corbyn being the alternative can only be part of it, and she does have a sort of dull, competent air about her, which I guess appeals, but she seems, at present, to really connect with people somehow. If she can sustain that, she is set for great things.

I did some fairly vigorous Canvassing today. This morning I spoke to some people in the High Street who I knew voted out in the referendum but who otherwise hadn't seen the inside of a polling station for donkeys' years if ever ("no point, Tories always get in round here") and they all said they were going to vote in the GE and vote Conservative. Why? Teresa May, that is why. She seems to be genuinely popular with the C2DE ladies, partly because they feel she will stop the toffs blocking the exit from the EU that they voted for last year, and partly because she is a woman who will "not stand any shit from any man".

Earlier this evening I took soundings from the most politically aware group in my area, i.e. the public bar of the New Inn. The UKIP tendency has gone. Those who supported UKIP are going to vote Conservative (again). I took particular care to check up on the current opinions of the Hurstpierpoint labour group, he said he will also be be voting Conservative because "That Teresa is right and Corbyn is a .... . (as a matter of fine interest the local Labour group is also Welsh, from the valleys).

Silly stuff in the great scheme of things (especially as this is one of teh safest Conservative seats in the country) and pure anecdote, but I wonder in how many other places, in cities and villages all over, are similar stories being played out and similar feelings held.

sounds fair Mr L

Ill be back voting blue this time

Mrs M deserves a mandate, then well see

foxinsoxuk said:

Tykejohnno said:

One policeman and one attacker killed in shooting on Champs-Elysées in Paris

http://www.france24.com/en/20170420-reports-shots-fired-champs-elysee-paris-police-guns-france

Second cop now dead from wounds.

In France the paramedics and doctors tend to treat on site, rather than scoop and run as per UK policy. Assault rifle wounds at short range are nasty though.

I hesitate to ask, but do we see many of those in the UK?

alex. said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Philip_Thompson said:

ThreeQuidder said:

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

The rules as published say it's yours if you want it, don't they?

He's not an incumbent is he?

According to the Grauniad, "Under emergency measures, all Labour MPs who wish to carry on will be readopted and unsuccessful candidates from the 2015 election will be asked to seek selection again in England".

Is this because they're afraid of who they might end up with if they throw it open to unvetted candidates from the hugely increased membership?

Time constraints more than anything else, I'd think.

kle4 said:

alex. said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Philip_Thompson said:

ThreeQuidder said:

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

The rules as published say it's yours if you want it, don't they?

He's not an incumbent is he?

According to the Grauniad, "Under emergency measures, all Labour MPs who wish to carry on will be readopted and unsuccessful candidates from the 2015 election will be asked to seek selection again in England".

Is this because they're afraid of who they might end up with if they throw it open to unvetted candidates from the hugely increased membership?

Time constraints more than anything else, I'd think.

True. But it does rather open the possibility that they might not be able to stand candidates in every seat?

FrancisUrquhart said:

labour's pitch of its a rigged system is very odd, especially as they still have an inbuilt advantage as he is being fought on old boundaries.

They sound like Alex Jones raving loons....

Alex Jones has admitted that much of what he does is an act. Labour on the other hand...

Floater said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Tykejohnno said:

One policeman and one attacker killed in shooting on Champs-Elysées in Paris

http://www.france24.com/en/20170420-reports-shots-fired-champs-elysee-paris-police-guns-france

Second cop now dead from wounds.

In France the paramedics and doctors tend to treat on site, rather than scoop and run as per UK policy. Assault rifle wounds at short range are nasty though.

I hesitate to ask, but do we see many of those in the UK?

No, but I went to a very interesting talk recently by an Trauma Surgeon not long returned from Afghanistan. Very instructive and well illustrated.

HurstLlama said:

kle4 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Black_Rook said:

In a Labour heartland I can find hardly anyone who wants to vote for them

Mirror columnist Paul Routledge finds bad news for Camp Corbyn in the Labour stronghold of Wakefield, West Yorkshire...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-heartland-can-find-hardly-10258670#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Worth a read for those looking for further reassurance that the wreck of Labour is coming. Plenty of praise from voters for Theresa May, derision for Corbyn, no interest in Ukip. All courtesy of a Labour-leaning paper, not Mail propaganda. Wonderful!

The liking or probably better say respect for may from strong anti-trump areas is puzzling. She is at best drab and uninspiring. I get why people liked Thatcher and blair, but may is more John major.

I don't quite get it myself - Corbyn being the alternative can only be part of it, and she does have a sort of dull, competent air about her, which I guess appeals, but she seems, at present, to really connect with people somehow. If she can sustain that, she is set for great things.

I did some fairly vigorous Canvassing today. This morning I spoke to some people in the High Street who I knew voted out in the referendum but who otherwise hadn't seen the inside of a polling station for donkeys' years if ever ("no point, Tories always get in round here") and they all said they were going to vote in the GE and vote Conservative. Why? Teresa May, that is why. She seems to be genuinely popular with the C2DE ladies, partly because they feel she will stop the toffs blocking the exit from the EU that they voted for last year, and partly because she is a woman who will "not stand any shit from any man".

Earlier this evening I took soundings from the most politically aware group in my area, i.e. the public bar of the New Inn. The UKIP tendency has gone. Those who supported UKIP are going to vote Conservative (again). I took particular care to check up on the current opinions of the Hurstpierpoint labour group, he said he will also be be voting Conservative because "That Teresa is right and Corbyn is a .... . (as a matter of fine interest the local Labour group is also Welsh, from the valleys).

Silly stuff in the great scheme of things (especially as this is one of teh safest Conservative seats in the country) and pure anecdote, but I wonder in how many other places, in cities and villages all over, are similar stories being played out and similar feelings held.

Which constituency IYDMMA?

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

Actually the Tories always did better with women until John Major. If women had been denied the vote, Labour would have won every election from 1945 to 1992 (assuming men had voted the same way).

However, in 1997 they deserted the party, and are only slowly being wooed back.

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

Actually the Tories always did better with women until John Major. If women had been denied the vote, Labour would have won every election from 1945 to 1992 (assuming men had voted the same way).

However, in 1997 they deserted the party, and are only slowly being wooed back.

I can see the headline now -

Corbyn to get 25,000 women in labour.

SeanT said:

If all these anecdotal reports are accurate and put together, Labour could go under 25. And the Tories could go over 45.

Sounds a bit optimistic for Labour - they'll get over 25 seats.

SeanT said:

If all these anecdotal reports are accurate and put together, Labour could go under 25. And the Tories could go over 45.

And yet the EU are saying that Brexit can be reversed if there is a change of government. Deluded!

They are standing

https://twitter.com/slatukip/status/855142700701671425

Black_Rook said:

In a Labour heartland I can find hardly anyone who wants to vote for them

Mirror columnist Paul Routledge finds bad news for Camp Corbyn in the Labour stronghold of Wakefield, West Yorkshire...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-heartland-can-find-hardly-10258670#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Worth a read for those looking for further reassurance that the wreck of Labour is coming. Plenty of praise from voters for Theresa May, derision for Corbyn, no interest in Ukip. All courtesy of a Labour-leaning paper, not Mail propaganda. Wonderful!

Mary Creagh is toast, voting against Brexit when her constituency voted 65 % Leave will be her downfall.

Pulpstar said:

SeanT said:

If all these anecdotal reports are accurate and put together, Labour could go under 25. And the Tories could go over 45.

Sounds a bit optimistic for Labour - they'll get over 25 seats.

Con take Bootle 33/1 at BF. I couldn't resist a quid...

isam said:

They are standing

https://twitter.com/slatukip/status/855142700701671425

"They". FGS! My choice would be to call people who have borne children, as Jack Monroe has, women and "she". They aren't male. Don't murder grammar because a crazy person supposedly has a right to choose something.

If that's not good enough, then use the third exclusively singular pronoun: "it".

LordWakefield said:

Black_Rook said:

In a Labour heartland I can find hardly anyone who wants to vote for them

Mirror columnist Paul Routledge finds bad news for Camp Corbyn in the Labour stronghold of Wakefield, West Yorkshire...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-heartland-can-find-hardly-10258670#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Worth a read for those looking for further reassurance that the wreck of Labour is coming. Plenty of praise from voters for Theresa May, derision for Corbyn, no interest in Ukip. All courtesy of a Labour-leaning paper, not Mail propaganda. Wonderful!

Mary Creagh is toast, voting against Brexit when her constituency voted 65 % Leave will be her downfall.

Wakefield's a write-off.

Look, could someone check I'm not going made - you can back Lib Dems 0-39 seats for a profit on Ladbrokes right?

£10 staked to win £3? That seems like bargin of the century to me.

Cover up to 49 for £1 profit per £10?

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

I wish you well. It would be very rewarding for you to be able to serve in a parliament where the leaders of your own side are so closely aligned to your own feelings.

SeanT said:

Amongst it all, it's just fucking sad, what's happening to France, especially Paris.

A beautiful city now known for death and terror.

And the food ain't what it used to be either!

ydoethur said:

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

Actually the Tories always did better with women until John Major. If women had been denied the vote, Labour would have won every election from 1945 to 1992 (assuming men had voted the same way).

However, in 1997 they deserted the party, and are only slowly being wooed back.

That's often asserted, but the Tories would surely have won from 1979-92 if only men voted.

Nope, Labour still led among men even in 1983 although not by a lot - something like 39-35 if memory serves.

That would give the Tories a lead of 36% among women, which can't be correct.

peter_from_putney said:

Off Topic (like everyone else tonight)

Assuming Bercow quits as Speaker after the GE or is otherwise given the elbow, does anyone have a hunch on who might succeed him?
It would seem to be a Labour MP's turn, and assuming she survives in Derby South, I think Margaret Beckett as a respected and long-serving Parliamentarian must stand a chance and I like her odds of 25/1 with Betfair Sportsbook.

It sure aint gonna be Douglas Carswell!

Sky say the attacker has previously flagged as an "extremist". Am going to guess they don't mean le pen type extremist.

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

Actually the Tories always did better with women until John Major. If women had been denied the vote, Labour would have won every election from 1945 to 1992 (assuming men had voted the same way).

However, in 1997 they deserted the party, and are only slowly being wooed back.

That's often asserted, but the Tories would surely have won from 1979-92 if only men voted.

Nope, Labour still led among men even in 1983 although not by a lot - something like 39-35 if memory serves.

That would give the Tories a lead of 36% among women, which can't be correct.

Depends on the turnout among different groups I think - women turned out in higher numbers. But I don't have my reference books to hand for this so I can't check (and of course with a secret ballot the figures would necessarily be speculative anyway).

Cyan said:

isam said:

They are standing

https://twitter.com/slatukip/status/855142700701671425

"They". FGS! My choice would be to call people who have borne children, as Jack Monroe has, women and "she". They aren't male. Don't murder grammar because a crazy person supposedly has a right to choose something.

If that's not good enough, then use the third exclusively singular pronoun: "it".

Her wiki page sounds like she wrote it.

Another Labour gaffe - Chris Bryant rewriting Welsh history and seemingly confusing it with Scotland:

https://twitter.com/rhonddabryant/status/854967314940383232

williamglenn said:

Another Labour gaffe - Chris Bryant rewriting Welsh history and seemingly confusing it with Scotland:

https://twitter.com/rhonddabryant/status/854967314940383232

They had a first referendum in 1400.

The resulting arguments lasted 16 years (or as they say in Scotland, five generations).

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

Another Labour gaffe - Chris Bryant rewriting Welsh history and seemingly confusing it with Scotland:

https://twitter.com/rhonddabryant/status/854967314940383232

They had a first referendum in 1400.

The resulting arguments lasted 16 years (or as they say in Scotland, four generations).

Is referendum the right word for it?

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

tlg86 said:

isam said:

They are standing

https://twitter.com/slatukip/status/855142700701671425

Surely that should be "they is standing".

I once had some neighbours in Devon whose grandchildren were visiting. I overheard one of the kids saying he'd been climbing "them trees over there", which the horrified grandmother corrected thus, "No, no, dear! Not 'them trees'... 'THEY trees'".

Correct Devon English would, of course, be 'them thar trees"

williamglenn said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

Another Labour gaffe - Chris Bryant rewriting Welsh history and seemingly confusing it with Scotland:

https://twitter.com/rhonddabryant/status/854967314940383232

They had a first referendum in 1400.

The resulting arguments lasted 16 years (or as they say in Scotland, four generations).

Is referendum the right word for it?

Refferendwm, apparently.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Who is they (hope I got that right) going to stand for? They hate all Tories, don't like corbyn, has done their nut about farron's previous comments.

The Greens? Women's Equality Party?

MarqueeMark said:

NickPalmer said:

I put a polite enquiry to my email list about whether people would like me to stand.

http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/the-general-election/

Approaching 300 replies in a few hours, 98% positive. These are people who have chosen to read my emails, so not a representative sample, but most are not party members, so the ones who've offered to help are a useful potential resource which won't take away from Labour defence elsewhere. I'm under no illusions about the starting position, but will put in an application and we'll see if I get it...

Can I suggest you will do more for animal welfare outside the House?

Perhaps! There are options there too...we'll see what transpires.

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Who is they (hope I got that right) going to stand for? They hate all Tories, don't like corbyn, has done their nut about farron's previous comments.

The Greens? Women's Equality Party?

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Who is they (hope I got that right) going to stand for? They hate all Tories, don't like corbyn, has done their nut about farron's previous comments.

The Greens? Women's Equality Party?

I would have thought they would find the name womens equality parry offensive. They are technically a labour member but Greens sound like a good guess.

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

You Gov breakdown from last night's poll appeared to show 52% of women intending to vote Tory.

dr_spyn said:

AndyJS said:

The Tories always did better with women when Mrs Thatcher was PM, whereas recently Labour have won the female vote. Maybe the same thing is happening again with May. Simple explanation but could be true.

You Gov breakdown from last night's poll appeared to show 52% of women intending to vote Tory.

No sign of a cameron-esque woman problem for Kim Jong May.

Any sign of Eddie izzard standing...Hasn't he in the past said he wanted to stand at the next GE?

Labour voter Jane on sky news - thinks she might have to vote for May.

YBarddCwsc said:

ydoethur said:

YBarddCwsc said:

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

Another Labour gaffe - Chris Bryant rewriting Welsh history and seemingly confusing it with Scotland:

https://twitter.com/rhonddabryant/status/854967314940383232

They had a first referendum in 1400.

The resulting arguments lasted 16 years (or as they say in Scotland, five generations).

Jeez, does Labour have a death-wish?

They elected Jeremy Corbyn leader and you still feel the need to ask that question?

Labour felt dirty, after Iraq.

Jeremy was elected to purge Labour of its uncleanliness.

He’s doing that. The Labour that emerges after the 2017 will be clean.

Lean, too.