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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,482
    MrsB said:

    (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal).

    "It is the will of Allah (SWT) that we are all born stark, raving naked!"
    - Grand Ayatollah Nudistani.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
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    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    Agreed
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I take offence at your patronising tone and assumptions - it has nothing to do with tolerance or forcing people into conformity, my objection was going by 'they' is just needless confusing and so bloody pointless. I could ask people call be the great gonzo and it'd be as much of a statement, reading sinister motivations into peoples' annoyance at grammatical silliness and calling it bigotry is absurd, and demonstrative of the pointlessness of being so prissy about such a label, in that you make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be.
    I agree that 'they' is a bad choice of pronoun, considering it already has other uses. It looks awkward. Be better to start using an entirely new pronoun, Xe, Ze, something distinctive.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    interesting rumours that Coyne is ahead of McCluskey

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855160019721080832

    hmmm and what happened today?
    Please enlighten us, as you seem to have the inside track.
    Use what passes for a brain to look yourself
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
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    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    The ward has 10k electors? Seems on the large side.
    It is a Unitary council so fairly typical
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I take offence at your patronising tone and assumptions - it has nothing to do with tolerance or forcing people into conformity, my objection was going by 'they' is just needless confusing and so bloody pointless. I could ask people call me the great gonzo and it'd be as much of a statement, reading sinister motivations into peoples' annoyance at grammatical silliness and calling it bigotry is absurd, and demonstrative of the pointlessness of being so prissy about such a label, in that you make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be. In keeping with your wild assumptions and responding in kind, i can only assume 'they' and you do so because it makes you feel superior to the bigots (or those you exaggerate to appear so in your heads), those terrible bigots, who think adopting an exiting plural pronoun for singular use is silly. The horror!

    If I may permit myself a little smug self satisfaction, I think I'm generally polite and tolerant, but your seeing bigotry where none exists in the false presentation of defending toleration, has really got my back up.
    Hard to see the LDs going above their previous high water mark, similarly hard to see Labour matching their last effort. Therefore I reckon that it will be a Con gain, but the swing will be much below UNS.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I take offence at your patronising tone and assumptions - it has nothing to do with tolerance or forcing people into conformity, my objection was going by 'they' is just needless confusing and so bloody pointless. I could ask people call be the great gonzo and it'd be as much of a statement, reading sinister motivations into peoples' annoyance at grammatical silliness and calling it bigotry is absurd, and demonstrative of the pointlessness of being so prissy about such a label, in that you make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be.
    The use of the neuter (plural) pronoun is unnecessary - anyone who read the judge's report of Monroe vs Hopkins (a work of genius) would have read that Ms Monroe is happy to be referred to as 'she'.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    BetfairSports haven't as yet cancelled my 25/1 bet on the LibDems in Richmond Park.

    Nor mine. Got a full pony on it too.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,010
    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    bobajobPB said:

    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I take offence at your patronising tone and assumptions - it has nothing to do with tolerance or forcing people into conformity, my objection was going by 'they' is just needless confusing and so bloody pointless. I could ask people call be the great gonzo and it'd be as much of a statement, reading sinister motivations into peoples' annoyance at grammatical silliness and calling it bigotry is absurd, and demonstrative of the pointlessness of being so prissy about such a label, in that you make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be.
    The use of the neuter (plural) pronoun is unnecessary - anyone who read the judge's report of Monroe vs Hopkins (a work of genius) would have read that Ms Monroe is happy to be referred to as 'she'.
    I'm still assuming the use of they was whatever it is called when you use the wrong word in the manner of a typo, otherwise its silly. But getting superior about people being annoyed by it, turning it into a great liberal rallying cry, is the sort of thing that gets mocked by otherwise totally liberal people, who feel like they are lumped in with cromagnons for not using a trendy sub-culture term.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    About 200 constituencies are on Betfair Sportsbook so far. Only 5 in Scotland though.
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    BetfairSports haven't as yet cancelled my 25/1 bet on the LibDems in Richmond Park.

    I am hopeful - for you and me - that they won't.

    The earlier cancellations were where Tories in strong Tory seats were priced at 100-1 rather than 1-100 (and similar). It was obvious in those cases that it was an error as the other candidates were also on long odds. So you could've easily covered all major parties and won even in the (hugely unlikely) case of the Tory losing.

    Richmond Park was different - it appears to have been priced based on 2015 result, neglecting to consider the by-election. The Tories were priced as very strong favourites, balancing the long Lib Dem odds. It absolutely wasn't that the bookies intended to price at 1-25 (which would be extremely ungenerous - Olney has a good chance but could well lose). This was a mistake by the bookie, but not an obvious error - the numbers added up. So I'd be annoyed if they cancelled.

    I recall a few years ago the bookies offering very generous odds on Weymouth's opponents in a non-league match. Weymouth had gone bust and were going to play the youth team (and consequently be thrashed almost for sure). It was public knowledge but the bookie was just slow on the uptake. I believe they had to honour it - it was a failure of intelligence but not an obvious "fat finger" error.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I take offence at your patronising tone and assumptions - it has nothing to do with tolerance or forcing people into conformity, my objection was going by 'they' is just needless confusing and so bloody pointless. I could ask people call be the great gonzo and it'd be as much of a statement, reading sinister motivations into peoples' annoyance at grammatical silliness and calling it bigotry is absurd, and demonstrative of the pointlessness of being so prissy about such a label, in that you make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be.
    I agree that 'they' is a bad choice of pronoun, considering it already has other uses. It looks awkward. Be better to start using an entirely new pronoun, Xe, Ze, something distinctive.
    Yes - it will seem contrived and silly at first, but it will be clear, and if people truly want that option it will catch on and become normal.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    "Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse"

    Labour vote will hold up much better than elsewhere but Tory gain due to the small majority IMO.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Chameleon said:

    kle4 said:

    Any idea what might happen in Hampstead and Kilburn? Had been a 3-way marginal in 2010, made Tory-Lab marginal in 2015 by virtue of LD collapse

    MrsB said:

    Just for the record, I have no problem with Jack Monroe calling themself whatever the hell they want, or with anyone wearing whatever the hell clothes they want (as long as they wear something, though. Nakedness does not appeal). Why do some posters want to force people into conformity? Some of the comments have been close to bigotry this evening.

    A little more love and tolerance would not go amiss. On this site and in the rest of the world.

    Going to bed, thinking of Paris.

    I tap.
    Hard to see the LDs going above their previous high water mark, similarly hard to see Labour matching their last effort. Therefore I reckon that it will be a Con gain, but the swing will be much below UNS.
    Sounds sensible. Maajid Nawaz was an interesting candidate, to say the least, I do wonder how he'd have done any year but 2015.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Can't be long until Paddy Power payouts, Mrs Duffy endorsement of May or not.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    SeanT said:

    Cyan said:

    Y0kel said:

    SeanT said:

    Y0kel said:

    The frustrating thing for the French authorities is that the didn't merely suspect something (singular or plural) was going to occur over this week, they knew. They had been working to interdict it, but they often seem to be getting the outside borders of the jigsaw but not the bits in the middle that allow you to see a clear picture.

    Suggestions there might be a Belgian connection but this may be early stage 2+2 = 5.

    BBC reporting Pres Hollande as confirming it is terror, and also Reuters saying that there is a second suspect at large.

    Belgian connection confirmed then. This was an organised IS controlled attack.
    What was the target? The attack took place close to the Marks and Spencer store at no.100 on the Champs Elysées. The footage I have seen shows trouble occurring outside the Yves Rocher store next door, at no.102. If the attackers' car was driven on the right side of the road, then it came from the direction of the Place de la Concorde, in the direction of increasing numbers. The Jewish Chabad organisation has premises at no.122.
    Yes. I think Yokel is right.

    This was meant to be a massacre, and the French cops got in early (and let's salute the dead and wounded gendarmes). They averted something that was intended to be, and very nearly was, much much worse.
    Certainly and kudos to them, coming just 2 days before the first round of the presidential election we will see if it has any repercussions politically on Sunday
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Meanwhile Macron was in conversation with Obama today on defending their 'progressive values'
    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/855129811144118274
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,526
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Taking their time tonight these by-election counters.

    Harrow not counting till tomorrow , Blacon should be another 15 minutes or so
    Ugh, having to wait until morning to find out the result in an area I've never been to and know nothing about? It makes me sick.

    Cheers.
    Turnout in Blacon 25.4%
    I think you may have just written a classic and iconic PB comment; a remark which, unintentionally, will resonate through the ages, or at least as long as pb-ers live.


    "Turnout in Blacon 25.4%"


    I actually love this sort of minutiae (sp?). It's Thursday night, I've finished work for the week, I can care deeply about the turnout in Blacon or Coulby Newham or wherever. All the fun of a real election without any of the unpleasantness. Plus Blacon may be the only ward in the country to rhyme with 'Bacon'.
    It's a big rough council estate on the edge of Chester. My mother-in-law used to teach there.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    It's a nice development, as it may see the odds on Con narrow slightly to give us more free money.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Taking their time tonight these by-election counters.

    Harrow not counting till tomorrow , Blacon should be another 15 minutes or so
    Ugh, having to wait until morning to find out the result in an area I've never been to and know nothing about? It makes me sick.

    Cheers.
    Turnout in Blacon 25.4%
    I think you may have just written a classic and iconic PB comment; a remark which, unintentionally, will resonate through the ages, or at least as long as pb-ers live.


    "Turnout in Blacon 25.4%"


    I actually love this sort of minutiae (sp?). It's Thursday night, I've finished work for the week, I can care deeply about the turnout in Blacon or Coulby Newham or wherever. All the fun of a real election without any of the unpleasantness. Plus Blacon may be the only ward in the country to rhyme with 'Bacon'.
    It's a big rough council estate on the edge of Chester. My mother-in-law used to teach there.
    If Labour lose this seat they really are in trouble.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    They really are utterly incompetent. Donkeys led by amoebas.
    https://twitter.com/Sean_Kemp/status/855187978364350464
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
    Probably not. But I'd rather listen to him than the geniuses on here. In the past, I've seen PBers write - in all seriousness- that Jo Cox was a false flag operation by the Remain campaign. The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't). A third case had some morons getting very excited that an assailant was called something Middle Eastern sounding when he turned out to be a French Canadian called Alexandre. PB's record on this is fucking embarrassing.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    BetfairSports haven't as yet cancelled my 25/1 bet on the LibDems in Richmond Park.

    I can't see it on the constituency list.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Betfair Sportsbook has Con favourites in these Lab seats:

    Barrow & Furness
    B’ham Edgbaston
    B’ham Northfield
    Bishop Auckland
    Blackpool South
    Bolton NE
    Bristol East
    Brentford & Isleworth
    City of Chester
    Dewsbury
    Ealing Central & Acton
    Enfield North
    Hove
    Ilford North
    Wirral West
    Wolverhampton South West
    Clwyd South
    Newport West
    Wrexham

    LDs favourites in Lab seats:

    Bermondsey
    Cambridge
    Cardiff Central
    Burnley
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    Slightly. What's your excuse?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
    Probably not. But I'd rather listen to him than the geniuses on here. In the past, I've seen PBers write - in all seriousness- that Jo Cox was a false flag operation by the Remain campaign. The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't). A third case had some morons getting very excited that an assailant was called something Middle Eastern sounding when he turned out to be a French Canadian called Alexandre. PB's record on this is fucking embarrassing.
    The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't).

    That would be the BBC reports then.
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    Another good outcome from this snap GE, I see the probate fee tax rise is dead..... poor old truss.
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    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
    Council By elections are a rare event for most authorities - maybe one a year? Why don't the Electoral Registration people do it as part of their job? It's a special occasion, after all, and I expect the Councillors would be interested in the outcome as well as us.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    They really are utterly incompetent. Donkeys led by amoebas.
    https://twitter.com/Sean_Kemp/status/855187978364350464

    I would love to know what choice words Sir Lynton calls them....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,799
    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    interesting rumours that Coyne is ahead of McCluskey

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855160019721080832

    hmmm and what happened today?
    Please enlighten us, as you seem to have the inside track.
    Use what passes for a brain to look yourself
    As you are clearly of far greater intelligence than me, the analysis would surely be better coming from you.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !

    It was at 4/9 earlier today. My first constituency bet in this election! (and yes, I did flag it here).
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    He seems a tad irritable

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
    Probably not. But I'd rather listen to him than the geniuses on here. In the past, I've seen PBers write - in all seriousness- that Jo Cox was a false flag operation by the Remain campaign. The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't). A third case had some morons getting very excited that an assailant was called something Middle Eastern sounding when he turned out to be a French Canadian called Alexandre. PB's record on this is fucking embarrassing.
    The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't).

    That would be the BBC reports then.
    It was also a PB poster who broke the news to ITV that their chief suspect was still in jail. Me.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Another good outcome from this snap GE, I see the probate fee tax rise is dead..... poor old truss.

    oooh - for purely selfish reasons that is good news
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile Macron was in conversation with Obama today on defending their 'progressive values'
    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/855129811144118274

    Smart for him to do so, makes him look like a President in waiting. Obama remains very popular in France and even more so when compared to Trump. Obama obviously didn't make any back of the queue comments to the French so hasn't dented his reputation there either.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    Another good outcome from this snap GE, I see the probate fee tax rise is dead..... poor old truss.

    That was a f##king stupid policy.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,482
    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    He seems a tad irritable

    Bobajob can see Labour losing heavily on June 8th?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:


    No, I totally agree. My response wasn't derogatory. This is one of the reasons I love PB and keep coming back. Terrible things are happening around the world (and wondrous things, too) and, in the middle of it all, some super-informed dude like Mark Senior will just come on here and say:


    "Turnout in Blacon 25.4%"

    Tremendous.

    It's the fact that you can be having five conversations simultaneously on different subjects, ranging from the tragic to the trivial, which is so great.

    Incidentally, I have the answer to the question as to whether it's worth spending north of £450 on a meal for two. The answer is Yes, at L'Enclume.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    They really are utterly incompetent. Donkeys led by amoebas.
    https://twitter.com/Sean_Kemp/status/855187978364350464

    I would love to know what choice words Sir Lynton calls them....
    I'm guessing the Coalition of Chaos :-D
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he has has had another back surgery. That makes 4 back operations, 4 knee surgeries, plus elbow problems etc. As always he says the surgery was successful. If it was all successful why have 4 of them?

    It seems less and less likely he'll be playing competitive golf again.

    http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain/
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    SeanT said:

    Cookie said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Taking their time tonight these by-election counters.

    Harrow not counting till tomorrow , Blacon should be another 15 minutes or so
    Ugh, having to wait until morning to find out the result in an area I've never been to and know nothing about? It makes me sick.

    Cheers.
    Turnout in Blacon 25.4%
    I think you may have just written a classic and iconic PB comment; a remark which, unintentionally, will resonate through the ages, or at least as long as pb-ers live.


    "Turnout in Blacon 25.4%"


    I actually love this sort of minutiae (sp?). It's Thursday night, I've finished work for the week, I can care deeply about the turnout in Blacon or Coulby Newham or wherever. All the fun of a real election without any of the unpleasantness. Plus Blacon may be the only ward in the country to rhyme with 'Bacon'.
    It's a big rough council estate on the edge of Chester. My mother-in-law used to teach there.
    No, I totally agree. My response wasn't derogatory. This is one of the reasons I love PB and keep coming back. Terrible things are happening around the world (and wondrous things, too) and, in the middle of it all, some super-informed dude like Mark Senior will just come on here and say:


    "Turnout in Blacon 25.4%"

    Tremendous.
    Seconded.

    And I find mundanity and diversion calms things down too.

    Night all.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    Slightly. What's your excuse?
    I'm not the one acting like a dick

    Your generally ok - go take a break
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
    Council By elections are a rare event for most authorities - maybe one a year? Why don't the Electoral Registration people do it as part of their job? It's a special occasion, after all, and I expect the Councillors would be interested in the outcome as well as us.
    Again probably way more expensive. Local councils will have local people who can do the job. If it was outsourced like you suggest then you could see someone having to commute from their home to all over the country every Thursday. One week they'd be travelling to Cornwall, the next week to Scotland. And given that it's happening on a Thursday night there's no chance of them being back home after they've finished so they'd have to get a hotel and travel down the next day. Who'd want to do that and why?

    Or you can get someone who already lives locally to work a couple of hours. Far more efficient and cheaper.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile Macron was in conversation with Obama today on defending their 'progressive values'
    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/855129811144118274

    Smart for him to do so, makes him look like a President in waiting. Obama remains very popular in France and even more so when compared to Trump. Obama obviously didn't make any back of the queue comments to the French so hasn't dented his reputation there either.
    It will certainly go down well in most of France and especially in Paris but I think the more depressed industrial areas of France are as unenthused by 'progressive politics' as the rustbelt was in the US and that will be the base for Le Pen's vote in the runoff
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Tim_B said:

    Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he has has had another back surgery. That makes 4 back operations, 4 knee surgeries, plus elbow problems etc. As always he says the surgery was successful. If it was all successful why have 4 of them?

    It seems less and less likely he'll be playing competitive golf again.

    http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain/

    Jesus, how stressful on the body is professional golf!?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,010

    Pulpstar said:

    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !

    It was at 4/9 earlier today. My first constituency bet in this election! (and yes, I did flag it here).
    I might be on at 4-9 too.

    Ashfield at 7-2 looks worth a small punt, especially as Bassetlaw is at a rather more unappealing 5-4.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Another good outcome from this snap GE, I see the probate fee tax rise is dead..... poor old truss.

    That was a f##king stupid policy.
    Quite. A GE got rid of a load of tripe legislation as well as offering a chance to write up a new slate...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited April 2017
    Tim_B said:

    Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he has has had another back surgery. That makes 4 back operations, 4 knee surgeries, plus elbow problems etc. As always he says the surgery was successful. If it was all successful why have 4 of them?

    It seems less and less likely he'll be playing competitive golf again of a handicap of less than 10 .

    http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain/

    Fixed for you...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Pulpstar said:

    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !

    It was at 4/9 earlier today. My first constituency bet in this election! (and yes, I did flag it here).
    Tories are 1/7 in Bedford. It seems impossible they could lose it unless Corbyn is deposed before polling day.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
    Probably not. But I'd rather listen to him than the geniuses on here. In the past, I've seen PBers write - in all seriousness- that Jo Cox was a false flag operation by the Remain campaign. The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't). A third case had some morons getting very excited that an assailant was called something Middle Eastern sounding when he turned out to be a French Canadian called Alexandre. PB's record on this is fucking embarrassing.
    Ah yes - he was still a Muslim though wasn't he (the French Canadian)

    Most people on here wait - the early signs on this one were pretty clear.



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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Is there value in finding a marginal where Labour could hold on against the national swing? If its anywhere you'd assume its London constituencies surely.

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    Has anyone raised the delicious betting opportunity of carswell being made a lord before Farage?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    felix said:

    They really are utterly incompetent. Donkeys led by amoebas.
    https://twitter.com/Sean_Kemp/status/855187978364350464

    I would love to know what choice words Sir Lynton calls them....
    I'm guessing the Coalition of Chaos :-D
    I think you might have missed some Aussie colloquial words in there.
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    Y0kel said:

    BetfairSports haven't as yet cancelled my 25/1 bet on the LibDems in Richmond Park.

    I can't see it on the constituency list.
    They've suspended the market but not cancelled any bets. They'd obviously forgotten to account for the by-election, but it was not a "fat finger" error - the odds added up, but the Lib Dem odds were far too generous and Tory odds far too mean.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    Admittedly sobriety or otherwise is hard to discern with your good self, given that all your posts are auto-generated from a Central Office script.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    I might be on at 4-9 too.

    Ashfield at 7-2 looks worth a small punt, especially as Bassetlaw is at a rather more unappealing 5-4.

    As it happens, I was just paging through the odds, and the three seats I noted as possible goodies that I haven't yet bet on were Ashfield, Bassetlaw and B'rum Selly Oak.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,799
    The Times front page story that the EU will demand that its 3,000,000 citizens in the UK will indefinitely be subject to rulings from the ECJ looks more than a little problematic.....
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    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
    Council By elections are a rare event for most authorities - maybe one a year? Why don't the Electoral Registration people do it as part of their job? It's a special occasion, after all, and I expect the Councillors would be interested in the outcome as well as us.
    Again probably way more expensive. Local councils will have local people who can do the job. If it was outsourced like you suggest then you could see someone having to commute from their home to all over the country every Thursday. One week they'd be travelling to Cornwall, the next week to Scotland. And given that it's happening on a Thursday night there's no chance of them being back home after they've finished so they'd have to get a hotel and travel down the next day. Who'd want to do that and why?

    Or you can get someone who already lives locally to work a couple of hours. Far more efficient and cheaper.
    Surely the Electoral Registration people work for the local Council?
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    He seems a tad irritable

    Yes, I am irritated by the dull rubbish on here this evening. Has anyone got anything interesting to say? Even Sean's insults - normally a reliable form of entertainment - are dismal.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,799
    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    Admittedly sobriety or otherwise is hard to discern with your good self, given that all your posts are auto-generated from a Central Office script.
    Go back to whining about child tax credits......
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    Another good outcome from this snap GE, I see the probate fee tax rise is dead..... poor old truss.

    That was a f##king stupid policy.
    And that's being unfairly kind to it. .. it was a mark Reckless of a policy. A full on toynbee.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !

    It was at 4/9 earlier today. My first constituency bet in this election! (and yes, I did flag it here).
    Tories are 1/7 in Bedford. It seems impossible they could lose it unless Corbyn is deposed before polling day.
    Yep, a good 14% return in 7 weeks.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile Macron was in conversation with Obama today on defending their 'progressive values'
    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/855129811144118274

    Smart for him to do so, makes him look like a President in waiting. Obama remains very popular in France and even more so when compared to Trump. Obama obviously didn't make any back of the queue comments to the French so hasn't dented his reputation there either.
    It will certainly go down well in most of France and especially in Paris but I think the more depressed industrial areas of France are as unenthused by 'progressive politics' as the rustbelt was in the US and that will be the base for Le Pen's vote in the runoff
    Macron will be quite content for it to be him v Le Pen in the runoff. He'd be a locked-on certainty by that point.

    The biggest risk for Macron is that his vote doesn't turnout and he gets pipped out of a Fillon v Le Pen runoff.
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    Has anyone raised the delicious betting opportunity of carswell being made a lord before Farage?

    Or even a Knighthood.....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Dawn Butler's interview on the PM programme on Radio 4 is at 9 mins:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08m8z3b
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Unlikely pairing of Chuka Umunna and Ann Widdecombe together on the This Week sofa tonight
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited April 2017
    Apparently Dawn Butler's slanderous interview on R4 this afternoon is getting lots of tw@tter and Facebook coverage.

    Cliff of my Labour supporting friends...F##king Shambles...repeated again and again.
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    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Derby North 2-9 Tories, Betfair let me have north of a ton !

    It was at 4/9 earlier today. My first constituency bet in this election! (and yes, I did flag it here).
    Tories are 1/7 in Bedford. It seems impossible they could lose it unless Corbyn is deposed before polling day.
    Yep, a good 14% return in 7 weeks.
    But you are up against OGH.....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Y0kel said:

    Is there value in finding a marginal where Labour could hold on against the national swing? If its anywhere you'd assume its London constituencies surely.

    Ilford North might be an example.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
    Council By elections are a rare event for most authorities - maybe one a year? Why don't the Electoral Registration people do it as part of their job? It's a special occasion, after all, and I expect the Councillors would be interested in the outcome as well as us.
    Again probably way more expensive. Local councils will have local people who can do the job. If it was outsourced like you suggest then you could see someone having to commute from their home to all over the country every Thursday. One week they'd be travelling to Cornwall, the next week to Scotland. And given that it's happening on a Thursday night there's no chance of them being back home after they've finished so they'd have to get a hotel and travel down the next day. Who'd want to do that and why?

    Or you can get someone who already lives locally to work a couple of hours. Far more efficient and cheaper.
    Surely the Electoral Registration people work for the local Council?
    So you want local people to do the counting? Isn't that what happens already.

    If you're expecting extra local people to do the job then they would deserve to be paid for the overtime.
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    Lab Hold Blacon - the Corbynista surge is on!
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,480

    Apparently Dawn Butler's slanderous interview on R4 this afternoon is getting lots of tw@tter and Facebook coverage.

    Cliff of my Labour supporting friends...F##king Shambles...repeated again and again.

    Her "rolling manifesto" interview on Newsnight is getting the treatment too.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Floater said:

    Francois Fillon calls for election to be suspended
    The French presidential candidate has called for Sunday's presidential election first round to be suspended following the Paris attack.

    Not sensible at all

    Shades of McCain following Lehman's collapse...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Pulpstar said:

    I might be on at 4-9 too.

    Ashfield at 7-2 looks worth a small punt, especially as Bassetlaw is at a rather more unappealing 5-4.

    As it happens, I was just paging through the odds, and the three seats I noted as possible goodies that I haven't yet bet on were Ashfield, Bassetlaw and B'rum Selly Oak.
    Agree that Ashfield and Selly Oak look good, Bassetlaw less so with John Mann standing again.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    Admittedly sobriety or otherwise is hard to discern with your good self, given that all your posts are auto-generated from a Central Office script.
    Go back to whining about child tax credits......
    A topic I haven't mentioned for about five years. The Central Office IT data systems are clearly in desperate need of an upgrade.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Blacon

    Lab 1556
    Con 574
    Ind 434
    LDem 70
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,482
    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Is there value in finding a marginal where Labour could hold on against the national swing? If its anywhere you'd assume its London constituencies surely.

    Ilford North might be an example.
    Wes's majority is only 589!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Dawn Butler's interview on the PM programme on Radio 4 is at 9 mins:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08m8z3b

    It's well worth a listen. Probably the most cringeworthy political interview of the year.
    It's so bad I feel sorry for her. She's clearly out of her depth.
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    Blacon (West Cheshire & Chester) result:

    LAB: 59.1% (+1.6)
    CON: 21.8% (+4.0)
    IND: 16.5% (+16.5)
    LDEM: 2.7% (+2.7)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he has has had another back surgery. That makes 4 back operations, 4 knee surgeries, plus elbow problems etc. As always he says the surgery was successful. If it was all successful why have 4 of them?

    It seems less and less likely he'll be playing competitive golf again.

    http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain/

    Jesus, how stressful on the body is professional golf!?
    Depending on your swing it can be very stressful on your back. Tiger's swing is so vicious and violent it has damaged both his left knee and his back. I doubt all the Seal Team training he did helped either.
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    Pulpstar said:

    The turnout for the #Blacon by-election is 25.4% The result is expected after 11.45pm: http://cwac.co/FCFKM
    0 replies 4 retweets 0 likes

    Ridiculous! That's only a few hundred votes- maybe a thousand, tops. Why is Local Government so inefficient? A few bank tellers (or bookies) used to handling lots of small bits of paper could do the job in a few minutes.
    It is around 2,600 votes
    OK, sorry! In that case I take most of it back - but I still reckon that for one by-election the Council would have more people at their disposal to get the thing processed a lot quicker than in 1Hr 45Mins.
    They could but why should they?

    Assuming those counting are paid to do the counting, it's generally cheaper to pay one person for four hours than four people for one hour (as people will have minimum shift lengths, its unreasonable to expect someone to work for only one hour etc)
    Council By elections are a rare event for most authorities - maybe one a year? Why don't the Electoral Registration people do it as part of their job? It's a special occasion, after all, and I expect the Councillors would be interested in the outcome as well as us.
    Again probably way more expensive. Local councils will have local people who can do the job. If it was outsourced like you suggest then you could see someone having to commute from their home to all over the country every Thursday. One week they'd be travelling to Cornwall, the next week to Scotland. And given that it's happening on a Thursday night there's no chance of them being back home after they've finished so they'd have to get a hotel and travel down the next day. Who'd want to do that and why?

    Or you can get someone who already lives locally to work a couple of hours. Far more efficient and cheaper.
    Surely the Electoral Registration people work for the local Council?
    So you want local people to do the counting? Isn't that what happens already.

    If you're expecting extra local people to do the job then they would deserve to be paid for the overtime.
    Why? I frequently used to work unpaid overtime - it was expected of me. Why shouldn't Council Officers do the same occasionally?
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited April 2017
    Slight swing to the Tories but Labour should be happy enough with this - unless the Independent is basically a Tory?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855192589464686594
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Is there value in finding a marginal where Labour could hold on against the national swing? If its anywhere you'd assume its London constituencies surely.

    Ilford North might be an example.
    Wes's majority is only 589!
    He's one of the most impressive newish Labour MPs. If anyone bucks the trend it'll be him.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited April 2017
    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Chameleon said:

    bobajobPB said:

    SeanT said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Au revoir, dickhead.
    Another gem from the "you okay, hun" repertoire. Shape the fuck up.
    Pot something, kettle something.
    A genius writes. All for free, on PB.
    Are you drunk bob?
    How could we tell?
    Admittedly sobriety or otherwise is hard to discern with your good self, given that all your posts are auto-generated from a Central Office script.
    Go back to whining about child tax credits......
    A topic I haven't mentioned for about five years. The Central Office IT data systems are clearly in desperate need of an upgrade.
    Which screen name was that posted under?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145
    So betfair have the LibDems at 28.5 o/u seats but 7/4 to win Bath ?

    Are they expecting 15 LibDem gains from Labour ?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Blacon

    Lab 1556
    Con 574
    Ind 434
    LDem 70

    Good result for Labour.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Slight swing to the Tories but Labour should be happy enough with this - unless the Independent is basically a Tory?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855192589464686594

    The Independent candidate was one of the UKIP candidates last time
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Meanwhile Macron was in conversation with Obama today on defending their 'progressive values'
    https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/855129811144118274

    Smart for him to do so, makes him look like a President in waiting. Obama remains very popular in France and even more so when compared to Trump. Obama obviously didn't make any back of the queue comments to the French so hasn't dented his reputation there either.
    It will certainly go down well in most of France and especially in Paris but I think the more depressed industrial areas of France are as unenthused by 'progressive politics' as the rustbelt was in the US and that will be the base for Le Pen's vote in the runoff
    Macron will be quite content for it to be him v Le Pen in the runoff. He'd be a locked-on certainty by that point.

    The biggest risk for Macron is that his vote doesn't turnout and he gets pipped out of a Fillon v Le Pen runoff.
    Probably, though if Macron does get through polls now suggest Le Pen will run him closer than Fillon would
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    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Is there value in finding a marginal where Labour could hold on against the national swing? If its anywhere you'd assume its London constituencies surely.

    Ilford North might be an example.
    Very big Jewish community, which should be bad for Corbyn's Labour. Wes Streeting is very anti-Corbyn of course, but I doubt that will save him.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The 25/1 for the Greens in Sheffield Central might be worth a small bet.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145

    Blacon

    Lab 1556
    Con 574
    Ind 434
    LDem 70

    No evidence of Labour collapse in Greater Scouseland.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited April 2017
    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he has has had another back surgery. That makes 4 back operations, 4 knee surgeries, plus elbow problems etc. As always he says the surgery was successful. If it was all successful why have 4 of them?

    It seems less and less likely he'll be playing competitive golf again.

    http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2017/04/20/225438912/tiger-undergoes-successful-back-surgery-to-alleviate-pain/

    Jesus, how stressful on the body is professional golf!?
    Depending on your swing it can be very stressful on your back. Tiger's swing is so vicious and violent it has damaged both his left knee and his back. I doubt all the Seal Team training he did helped either.
    I wonder how many of the 24hrs in a day does Tiger sit there and think f##k what have I done? Not all the hookers....I mean the why did I fall out with Butch Harman?

    Butch told him this would happen. Did he listen, no he sacked him.

    Tiger + Butch, he would still be wiping the floor with the Rory, Justin, Dustin et al.
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    Floater said:

    bobajobPB said:

    Floater said:

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    bobajobPB said:

    Popped in for a bit of Aberlour-fuelled banter after the football to see PB's usual suspects live commentating on a terrorist attack. To the penalty shoot out in the Lyon match instead.

    Lets just bury our heads in the sand then eh

    Just wait a while. The live commentary is embarrassing, and very often wrong.
    You think the president has it wrong?
    Probably not. But I'd rather listen to him than the geniuses on here. In the past, I've seen PBers write - in all seriousness- that Jo Cox was a false flag operation by the Remain campaign. The Westminster Bridge incident saw several posters claim there was a second shooter (there wasn't). A third case had some morons getting very excited that an assailant was called something Middle Eastern sounding when he turned out to be a French Canadian called Alexandre. PB's record on this is fucking embarrassing.
    Ah yes - he was still a Muslim though wasn't he (the French Canadian)

    Most people on here wait - the early signs on this one were pretty clear.



    No, he was a white supremacist who supports Marine Le Pen. Clear... as fucking mud.
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