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For us political gamblers one of the things we’re now having to factor in to our bets is which candidate or party is Vladimir Putin backing.

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  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    no.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    No!
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    And thrice no.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    FPT
    SquareRoot said:

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    You mean he doesn't agree with you Malc.. Is the sun shining in the Midlands? You seem to have caught a touch.. and so early in the day too.

    Your guidance geometrics are about as accurate as US missiles , 300 miles off target. No problem with him diasgreeing , I meanwhile doubt some of the information and engage my brain whereas the fool just regurgitates US propaganda verbatim. Not enough brains to be able to think for himself.
  • DavidBrackenbury
    DavidBrackenbury Posts: 357
    That's four noes so far...
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    Perhaps a pertinent question is why he would want Corbyn.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    1. Click bait. :lol:
    2. Michael Dugher not pulling his punches, he’ll be on Jeremy’s naughty step at this rate.
    3. I never know if Putin’s seal of approval is good or bad for the candidate.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    The header photo is misleading I feel. I imagine that Le Pen is the worst possible French President for Putin.

    The UK acts as the banker for Russia's elite (such as it is). I'm not so sure that Comrade Corbyn is quite the thing for them any more.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    Omnium said:

    The header photo is misleading I feel. I imagine that Le Pen is the worst possible French President for Putin.

    The UK acts as the banker for Russia's elite (such as it is). I'm not so sure that Comrade Corbyn is quite the thing for them any more.

    Correct he wants to keep the laundry open
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    DavidBrackenbury said:

    That's four noes so far...

    I feel like Sir Winston Churchill warning the appeasers in the early 30s.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Hurst , he was kidding when he said it was NOT clickbait. You are very kind just rating it as preposterous.
  • DavidBrackenbury
    DavidBrackenbury Posts: 357
    edited April 2017
    Well if Putin can put Mr. Corbyn into Downing Street, it would be a campaign as brilliant as anything done by Alexander back in the day!
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Is No the new First? It has the advantage of allowing more than one winner.

    O/T Well, maybe, but are we to assume Mr Putin is already trying, and has been trying for ages, or that he has yet to stick his oar in?

    If his attempts are still to come, it would presumably have to be making the Conservatives look so bad that swathes of the electorate will think anything's better than that.

    Since that's what most of them seem to think already about Mr Corbyn's Labour, I can't help thinking that before the UK got very far down that path, some unintended consequences would kick in and there would be some rather unexpected results.

    Mr Farage for PM, perhaps?

    Good afternoon, everybody.

  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    malcolmg said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Hurst , he was kidding when he said it was NOT clickbait. You are very kind just rating it as preposterous.
    Fair go, Mr. G., I think I will go and have a nice curry lunch. I may be back later, but I doubt it.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    No.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
  • BigRich
    BigRich Posts: 3,492
    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    BigRich said:

    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.

    A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.

    Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Jeremy Corbyn is not the British Trump; Trump had an energised core of support and a party which united behind him once he won the nomination, and he's a charismatic rabble rouser who faced off against an unpopular party robot.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    BigRich said:

    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.

    Seems unlikely. I'm more than happy to borrow vast sums from my enemies anyway. I'm less happy to borrow from my friends.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?
  • Hertsmere_Pubgoer
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Did Putin interfere in the AV referendum?
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
  • BigRich
    BigRich Posts: 3,492
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BigRich said:

    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.

    A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.

    Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
    Thanks, that now makes more sence.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    lol superb click bate

    Nothing on this earth could makke Corbyn PM - apart from revolution favoured by the hard left loons.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Did Putin interfere in the AV referendum?

    Very probably, lets re- run it
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BigRich said:

    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.

    A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.

    Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
    I find the idea of loans for this purpose rather strange. If a political party can't afford a campaign, what hope have they of repaying a loan once the campaign is over?
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    AnneJGP said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BigRich said:

    I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.

    Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?

    I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.

    A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.

    Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
    I find the idea of loans for this purpose rather strange. If a political party can't afford a campaign, what hope have they of repaying a loan once the campaign is over?
    Well it got Tony Blair into trouble,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_for_Honours
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    edited April 2017
    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
    I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Did Putin interfere in the AV referendum?

    Well George urged Dave to campaign strongly against AV, George now works for a Ruskie at The Evening Standard.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    edited April 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)

    I don't dispute for a moment that the Russians try to influence elections, but I wonder how effective it is. My guess is fairly marginal. I do find it hard to take US complaints particularly seriously when they seem to have no qualms about using a wide spectrum of techniques to influence the politics of other countries.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    GIN1138 said:

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
    I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.

    Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.


    Using fake news on social media.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited April 2017
    Isn't the difference (assuming this is a serious proposition) that Corbyn is already defined as a loser with dozens of negatives that has taken a party down from where he found it? I think it would be impossible to polish this particular turd as its already stuck to the shoe of the person yet to be convinced

    The other alleged Russian influenced events were always on the up werent they?
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    AnneJGP said:

    GIN1138 said:

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
    I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.

    Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
    The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
    I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
    You can Corbyn right off :-)
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Putin to make Jezza PM ? .... Obviously No.
    Nuttall to make Jezza PM ? .... Obviously.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    If one rules out the whole idea then there's no need to factor the possibility into one's bets. (I don't bet anyway.)

    However, maybe it isn't preposterous. In that case PB.com would be looking long & hard at the Kremlinology. So, first up: is there any real evidence to suggest that countries' recent elections have been won by parties/individuals beneficial to Moscow? (Remember that 'beneficial' isn't necessarily the same as 'friendly'.)
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,089
    I feel faint - I've just agreed with Tim Farron over something.

    That something being his accusation of Boris being a pathetic Washington poodle for not going to see the Russians but having Uncle Rex go instead.

    If he must be kept around, it's time for Boris to be made Minister for paperclips or something.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    Floater said:

    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
    I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
    You can Corbyn right off :-)
    I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I feel faint - I've just agreed with Tim Farron over something.

    That something being his accusation of Boris being a pathetic Washington poodle for not going to see the Russians but having Uncle Rex go instead.

    If he must be kept around, it's time for Boris to be made Minister for paperclips or something.

    You'll be wearing sandals and eating quinoa next.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    AnneJGP said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    If one rules out the whole idea then there's no need to factor the possibility into one's bets. (I don't bet anyway.)

    However, maybe it isn't preposterous. In that case PB.com would be looking long & hard at the Kremlinology. So, first up: is there any real evidence to suggest that countries' recent elections have been won by parties/individuals beneficial to Moscow? (Remember that 'beneficial' isn't necessarily the same as 'friendly'.)
    The roughly $5 billion spent by official campaigns and lobbyists during the run up to the Presidential and Congressional elections is far more likely to have determined the result than the efforts of the Kremlin. I look forward to Congress investigating the malign influence of those efforts.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    Omnium said:

    AnneJGP said:

    GIN1138 said:

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
    I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.

    Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
    The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
    You don't think Stalin's cabal resembled a gangster fiefdom? In fact Joseph Vissarionovich was literally a gangster in his youth.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,683
    No.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    You've been QTWTAINed.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,199
    HurstLlama said:

    ...How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters?...

    The four specific accusations with respect to POTUS 2016 are:

    * 1) Accessing voter registration lists.
    * 2) Creating fake news sites
    * 3) Funding research and targeting organisations
    * 4) Liasing with opposition candidates

    You take the voter registration lists, use the research and targeting organisations to construct profiles of voters who are more recipient to your messages, target them with your fake news and "push polling", use your liaisons to ensure you know who's doing what and make sure you're not pissing your money away.

    If you're feeling really sadistic, you can deregister voters you believe will vote against you, and plant/uncover unflattering/criminal details of the people you don't want to win, ready to pop just before the election. Garnish with virtual posters generating fear, uncertainty and doubt and serve.

    Basically, normal politics but with the force of another state behind it.

    Pause.

    Well, you did ask...

  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Theuniondivvie said:

    You've been QTWTAINed.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784

    Congrats to @TSE on a really amusing thread!

    Let's hope it is amusing and not prescient.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    edited April 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
    Afternoon Gin, just have a more illiterate easier fooled public nowadays. They believe any crap the tame media put out, braindead many of them.
    No muzzling the press nowadays just get them to print mince.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Theuniondivvie said:

    You've been QTWTAINed.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784

    I couldn't find a picture of Corbyn and Putin together. If only General Boles hadn't retired.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    You've been QTWTAINed.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784

    I couldn't find a picture of Corbyn and Putin together. If only General Boles hadn't retired.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDdBY5sKAU

    Would have done
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    kle4 said:

    Jeremy Corbyn is not the British Trump; Trump had an energised core of support and a party which united behind him once he won the nomination, and he's a charismatic rabble rouser who faced off against an unpopular party robot.

    If Corbyn is anything he is an uncharismatic Bernie Sanders
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Omnium said:

    AnneJGP said:

    GIN1138 said:

    glw said:

    GIN1138 said:

    But Vlad didn't make Donald POTUS?

    Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
    The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.

    I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol! ;)
    I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.

    Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
    The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
    You don't think Stalin's cabal resembled a gangster fiefdom? In fact Joseph Vissarionovich was literally a gangster in his youth.
    Yes. The Russia that most people think of as the 'reds' and that the British left identify with though clearly isn't that. It's the 1950s collectivism. The Leninist veneer that was painted over what Stalin did. In some ways it worked though.

    The current arrangement in Russia also works. A side effect though is that we get to see the rather unpleasant side of Russian society here in the UK spending their gains.
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,199
    isam said:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDdBY5sKAU

    Would have done

    I believe it's traditional to respond with this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKsR_wUSfA
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
    I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
    You can Corbyn right off :-)
    I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!

    Bravo sir, bravo
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,154
    Based on this thread I have just staked my entire life savings on Jezza for next PM.


    Not.

    Anyway, to answer 'why couldn’t Putin make Corbyn PM?', what's that line about a pig and lipstick again?
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    viewcode said:

    HurstLlama said:

    ...How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters?...

    The four specific accusations with respect to POTUS 2016 are:

    * 1) Accessing voter registration lists.
    * 2) Creating fake news sites
    * 3) Funding research and targeting organisations
    * 4) Liasing with opposition candidates

    You take the voter registration lists, use the research and targeting organisations to construct profiles of voters who are more recipient to your messages, target them with your fake news and "push polling", use your liaisons to ensure you know who's doing what and make sure you're not pissing your money away.

    If you're feeling really sadistic, you can deregister voters you believe will vote against you, and plant/uncover unflattering/criminal details of the people you don't want to win, ready to pop just before the election. Garnish with virtual posters generating fear, uncertainty and doubt and serve.

    Basically, normal politics but with the force of another state behind it.

    Pause.

    Well, you did ask...

    None of PB's finest would be taken in by fake news sites.

    Normal politics? Sadly.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    SandyRentool said:

    Based on this thread I have just staked my entire life savings on Jezza for next PM.


    Not.

    Anyway, to answer 'why couldn’t Putin make Corbyn PM?', what's that line about a pig and lipstick again?

    Didn't you vote for Corbyn as leader?
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    Floater said:

    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    Omnium said:

    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    One word, Corbyn.
    I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
    You can Corbyn right off :-)
    I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!

    Bravo sir, bravo
    Ta :)
    Should have been 'chance in a blue Umunna', but I'm sure you guessed that.



  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Lively start at Goodison Park...
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Good afternoon, comrade posters.

    Do not forget to consult the People's Sporting Excellence Motorsport Blog, compiled with ruthless scrutiny and objectivity by the Commissar for Highly Dangerous Speed (myself): http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/china-post-race-analysis-2017.html
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    Which current or recent leader of a major British political party appears most on Russia Today? That's right. Not Jeremy Corbyn.
  • Cyan
    Cyan Posts: 1,262
    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    edited April 2017
    Theuniondivvie said:

    You've been QTWTAINed.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784

    Easy mistake to make though. Both are extremists, both have problems with antisemitism in their party, both are in politics because of family influence, both are rather dim, both pretend to care about poor people and both have f*** all idea of how to actually help them. One of them is dead certain to come second at the next election, and one will undoubtedly come second unless the Liberal Democrats have a really surprisingly good night.

    The key difference is that Le Pen is a woman. However it should be noted that this is the key difference most noticeable in this photograph.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    Wow.

    I'm sort of speechless. What an embarrassment for anyone that's Russian.

  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, comrade posters.

    Do not forget to consult the People's Sporting Excellence Motorsport Blog, compiled with ruthless scrutiny and objectivity by the Commissar for Highly Dangerous Speed (myself): http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/china-post-race-analysis-2017.html

    Good afternoon, Mr Dancer.

    Do you reveal all, about how Mr Putin arranges the podium-finishers before the race starts?
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Cyan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
    Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.

    http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I feel faint - I've just agreed with Tim Farron over something.

    That something being his accusation of Boris being a pathetic Washington poodle for not going to see the Russians but having Uncle Rex go instead.

    If he must be kept around, it's time for Boris to be made Minister for paperclips or something.

    Being Foreign Secretary is like being Minister for FA.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Comrade Miss JGP, good and productive afternoon to you.

    Naturally, all sporting events have no pre-determined result. It is simply the law of moral competence that those who most ardently support glorious President Putin, and therefore have the strongest moral fibre, go on to achieve the greatest success.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,256
    edited April 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I feel faint - I've just agreed with Tim Farron over something.

    That something being his accusation of Boris being a pathetic Washington poodle for not going to see the Russians but having Uncle Rex go instead.

    If he must be kept around, it's time for Boris to be made Minister for paperclips or something.

    Being Foreign Secretary is like being Minister for FA.
    It's still a mis-step by May to give him Foreign Affairs. Boris' strength is in Office Affairs.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    williamglenn said:

    Cyan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
    Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.

    http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
    Wasn't OGH invited to such a reception? :D
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    williamglenn said:

    Cyan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
    Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.

    http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
    If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    AnneJGP said:

    williamglenn said:

    Cyan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
    Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.

    http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
    If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
    Perhaps they'll be infiltrated by Momentum. "Give us 30 fake news items. You do hundreds of them so 30 shouldn't be a problem."
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,763
    williamglenn said:

    AnneJGP said:

    williamglenn said:

    Cyan said:

    williamglenn said:

    Omnium said:

    In this Telegraph article

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/

    Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.

    Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
    What are the benefits of membership?
    Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.

    http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
    If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
    Perhaps they'll be infiltrated by Momentum. "Give us 30 fake news items. You do hundreds of them so 30 shouldn't be a problem."
    If that twitter feed is real then if they get infiltrated by some tubs of lard it'll be a significant upgrade to their ability to think.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Toms said:

    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.

    I felt the need to stop the monotony of the Corbyn is crap pieces.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Toms said:

    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.

    I felt the need to stop the monotony of the Corbyn is crap pieces.
    Putin would love Jezza in Number 10. It would be Jam everyday!
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Toms said:

    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.

    I felt the need to stop the monotony of the Corbyn is crap pieces.
    No need to worry,
    Those are already split up amongst hilarious "LibDem World Domination Is Imminent" threads
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Is the current government not sufficiently pro-Putin anyway?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,802
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    We have a quasi Presidential system.
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    We have a quasi Presidential system.
    What difference does it make? Corbyn will never be PM.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    .
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mrs C, it's happily unlikely but many said that Trump could never be president and the UK would never vote to leave the EU.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    We have a quasi Presidential system.
    Not enough to facilitate a demagogue being elected. You need to influence a large minority of voters in 336 localities. Much harder to organise
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Cyan said:

    Which current or recent leader of a major British political party appears most on Russia Today? That's right. Not Jeremy Corbyn.

    Eck?
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    We have a quasi Presidential system.
    There's nothing quasi about the Prime Minister.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    GeoffM said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Toms said:

    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.

    I felt the need to stop the monotony of the Corbyn is crap pieces.
    No need to worry,
    Those are already split up amongst hilarious "LibDem World Domination Is Imminent" threads

    Go back to your constituencies and prepared for World Domination.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    CarlottaVance said:

    Cyan said:

    Which current or recent leader of a major British political party appears most on Russia Today? That's right. Not Jeremy Corbyn.

    Eck?
    Yes; I wasn't sure the answer to this.
    Do we get multiple choices?

    It felt like a tie-breaker in a pub quiz when the answer turns out to be someone completely unexpected.
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mrs C, it's happily unlikely but many said that Trump could never be president and the UK would never vote to leave the EU.

    Mr Dancer, the minute it looks like Labour is electable, some ambitious bunch within Labour will ensure Corbyn is sidelined and that their person is leader.

    Corbyn might as well remain in charge of a shambles because at this point there is no benefit for whoever succeeds him so no contenders will emerge.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    David_Evershed said:

    GeoffM said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Toms said:

    Full marks for lateral thinking TSE.
    I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.

    I felt the need to stop the monotony of the Corbyn is crap pieces.
    No need to worry,
    Those are already split up amongst hilarious "LibDem World Domination Is Imminent" threads

    Go back to your constituencies and prepare for World Domination.
    As a rallying cry it's not bad at all!

    It needs Fallon to be stroking a white cat at the time, though.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
    If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    malcolmg said:

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
    If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
    Labour and the Lib Dems have also been fined by the electoral commission. :smiley:
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
    If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
    Labour and the Lib Dems have also been fined by the electoral commission. :smiley:
    Rob, they are amateurs compared to the Tories, same as spies defecting to the Russians, Tory to a person. A perfidious lot for sure.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    malcolmg said:

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
    If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
    What is the point at which we should be getting suspicious of foreign intervention? Con Gain Bootle, as @Ave_it used to say?
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    David_Evershed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.

    Have you read the thread?

    Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.

    Events in France have also led to concerns.

    If it can happen in America and France why not here?
    Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
    We have a quasi Presidential system.
    There's nothing quasi about the Prime Minister.
    Hmmm
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