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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear - I like Matt and Cliff. Rory was in a car with Sabine last week and she connects much better than he does. She should be the regular and he the 'guest presenter'.

    Sabine is very good in small doses, but not I think for full time. The chemistry between Joey and bald white guy is really beginning to build as they battle for alpha male status, and Rory is slotting in nicely as "enthusiastic kid who talks whilst the parents are arguing" role that Hamster so memorably filled.

    However they *have* to get rid of Eddie Jordan. He's creepy.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, no. Not without invading and installing him as a puppet anyway.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    Sergio by 2 thru 4. If he won it would be special, because today would have been Seve's 60th birthday.

    Top Gear - I like Matt and Cliff. Rory was in a car with Sabine last week and she connects much better than he does. She should be the regular and he the 'guest presenter'.

    The Grand Tour - excellent in parts but is still finding its feet.
    As a Brit I should support Rose but I agree it would nice to see Sergio win it at last
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    chestnut said:

    viewcode said:


    Less-probable (but still valid?) explanations include people with more than one NiNo, NiNo reuse, or British immigrants (people who left for a while but then came back) messing up the figures.

    Hmph.

    NINOs are given to anyone on a benefit claim.

    Partners, children on child benefit claims etc.

    If a worker turns up with wife and three kids and claims Child Benefit - one worker generates five national insurance numbers.

    Thank you.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,177
    I love the masters. And Peter Alliss, the last of the golden oldies after Alistair Cook and John Arlott.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    If Melenchon won the decline in the quality of their food would be the least of the French's worries
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    Is Golf the only sport more boring than Test Cricket?

    Both sports have something in common: they are in real trouble, with quickly falling numbers of participants, spectators and viewers. Though at least cricket has one dayers and, even more, 20/20, which are booming.

    Golf does not have any of that.
    Golf is still one of the most popular sports for the over 40s and the retired as you can still do it well past your athletic peak
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    Yes, but what has that got to do with Top Gear?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    viewcode said:

    Tim_B said:

    Top Gear - I like Matt and Cliff. Rory was in a car with Sabine last week and she connects much better than he does. She should be the regular and he the 'guest presenter'.

    Sabine is very good in small doses, but not I think for full time. The chemistry between Joey and bald white guy is really beginning to build as they battle for alpha male status, and Rory is slotting in nicely as "enthusiastic kid who talks whilst the parents are arguing" role that Hamster so memorably filled.

    However they *have* to get rid of Eddie Jordan. He's creepy.
    Watching Eddie Jordan reminds me of players walking onto the pitch at soccer matches holding kids by the hand. Creepy is the word.

    Hamster, Clarkson and May were a better threesome than any two of them. Not sure if Matt and Chris are any better with the addition of Rory, or any worse without. Hamster could - by the skin of his teeth - have a show on his own. No way Rory could do. Sabine outshone Rory so much on the Nurburgring it wasn't true. Her enthusiasm and personality came through so much compared to his.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,006
    Paging @viewcode

    Horse racing place odds (Grand national)

    Say an even race 40 horses. Odds should be 40.0 or 39-1.

    5 places
    There are 8 lots of 5 places so logically the odds to place if each horse is equal ought to be 7-1. Or 8.0

    8 = 40.0 (The horse odds)/5 (The number of places).

    Say we had a horse going off odds on though, 1.5

    Place odds 1.5 / 5 = 0.3 (Which doesn't make sense)...
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    The ratings for both shows are dire - though hopefully the Beeb aren't having to spend too much on the wages of the new hosts. I actually thought Top Gear had run its course, but if some people are still watching then good for them.

    To be honest, I actually would have put the Masters on BBC1. If you're going to spend money on sports rights like the Masters you might as well stick it on the main channel. But I guess they don't want to mess around with the news at 10 which I believe has to be in that slot six out of seven days (they like to use their one pass on Saturdays).
    I don't know what the rights fees for The masters are for the beeb, but it can't be much. CBS has broadcast the tournament for as long as I can remember, advertising is limited to 4 minutes an hour, and limited to the three sponsors - Mercedes Benz, AT&T and IBM. There are also 2 international sponsors - Rolex and UPS. In 2003 during the female membership controversy, the club swallowed the broadcasting fees and the tournament was shown commercial free.
    Well they're obviously not paying a huge amount otherwise they wouldn't have just renewed them. Unless it's Wimbledon or MotD, the BBC aren't particularly bothered.

    Interestingly, Sky have yet to renew their deal and I believe they are yet to agree a deal to show this year's PGA Championship. Last year they didn't show the US Open Tennis championship which just goes to show how tight for money Sky have become since the last Premier League deal.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    8 Poles in one house is rather overcrowded, but not much pressure on housing stock.

    Scale it up to the best part of 3 million arrivals - mainly in London/SE.

    Non-EU migrants favour London more than EU migrants, who are dispersed around the country and often living in places like Leicester with cheap housing.
    Would you like to have a bash at backing that up?
    Figure 6 on this page covers it:

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    A higer percentage of Indian born migrants live in London than Polish. Of the top 10 countries of origin of the 37% of Londoners born overseas only 3 countries are EU: Poland, Ireland and France. The other 7 are New Commonwealth or Somalia.

    Figure 8 and 9 also support my point. A higher percentage of New Commonwealth migrants live in London than EU migrants.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    geoffw said:

    I love the masters. And Peter Alliss, the last of the golden oldies after Alistair Cook and John Arlott.

    Ben Wright, Henry Longhurst?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
    Yes, but what has that got to do with Top Gear?
    Sabine and gone?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,177
    edited April 2017
    Tim_B said:

    geoffw said:

    I love the masters. And Peter Alliss, the last of the golden oldies after Alistair Cook and John Arlott.

    Ben Wright, Henry Longhurst?
    Them too.
    p.s. and Jack Kramer.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    The ratings for both shows are dire - though hopefully the Beeb aren't having to spend too much on the wages of the new hosts. I actually thought Top Gear had run its course, but if some people are still watching then good for them.

    To be honest, I actually would have put the Masters on BBC1. If you're going to spend money on sports rights like the Masters you might as well stick it on the main channel. But I guess they don't want to mess around with the news at 10 which I believe has to be in that slot six out of seven days (they like to use their one pass on Saturdays).
    I don't know what the rights fees for The masters are for the beeb, but it can't be much. CBS has broadcast the tournament for as long as I can remember, advertising is limited to 4 minutes an hour, and limited to the three sponsors - Mercedes Benz, AT&T and IBM. There are also 2 international sponsors - Rolex and UPS. In 2003 during the female membership controversy, the club swallowed the broadcasting fees and the tournament was shown commercial free.
    Well they're obviously not paying a huge amount otherwise they wouldn't have just renewed them. Unless it's Wimbledon or MotD, the BBC aren't particularly bothered.

    Interestingly, Sky have yet to renew their deal and I believe they are yet to agree a deal to show this year's PGA Championship. Last year they didn't show the US Open Tennis championship which just goes to show how tight for money Sky have become since the last Premier League deal.
    I'm not sure if it's "tight for money" or just unsure if they'll make a profit on their investment. As a commercial network, if you can't make money by showing it, you shouldn't bid for the rights.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,899
    SeanT said:


    We went to Glendurgan Gardens, we went to St Michael's Mount and Penare and Dodman's Point, we walked the cliffs of Lamorna, whence comes her middle name, we visited the cove by Place where Jesus landed as a boy, we walked Swanpool and Maenporth, we ate Cornish oysters and Cornish crab sandwiches, we skimmed stones on the beach at Trelissick, we drank absurdly expensive wine in the sunshine on the terrace at Idle Rocks in St Mawes and it was all, all, all sublime. Just sublime.

    Good evening.

    Best crab I've ever had was at Coverack - Mrs Stodge had crab sandwiches, I went for the crab bisque. Truly excellent.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    geoffw said:

    Tim_B said:

    geoffw said:

    I love the masters. And Peter Alliss, the last of the golden oldies after Alistair Cook and John Arlott.

    Ben Wright, Henry Longhurst?
    Them too.
    p.s. and Jack Kramer.
    Alistair Cooke was on the broadcasting committee at The Masters for years.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,686
    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    Cyan said:

    BudG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    First poll showing Melenchon ahead of Fillon:

    Macron 24%
    Le Pen 24%
    Melenchon 18%
    Fillon 17%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    That's what I'm talking about :D
    Melenchon on 6 from the Kantar Sofres previous poll. Le Pen and Macron both down 2 and Fillon stagnant.

    Head to heads

    Melenchon beats Le Pen 57-43 and narrowly loses to Macron 53-47
    And Poutou is up to 2.5%. Perhaps some polls will soon have Mélenchon in second place. He's certainly got some momentum.
    Melenchon is the one that will give Macron the toughest fight in the final round, if he gets through.

    53-47 head to head can easily be turned around in the TV debate ahead of the final vote, given Melenchon's performance in TV debates so far.
    Macron-Melenchon is the dream.

    Not sure how Fillon is still at 6.0, though I'm red enough on him at the moment.
    I'm the same. And now very red on both Fillon and Le Pen.

    Fast approaching squeaky bum time.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017



    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    8 Poles in one house is rather overcrowded, but not much pressure on housing stock.

    Scale it up to the best part of 3 million arrivals - mainly in London/SE.

    Non-EU migrants favour London more than EU migrants, who are dispersed around the country and often living in places like Leicester with cheap housing.
    Would you like to have a bash at backing that up?
    Figure 6 on this page covers it:

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    A higer percentage of Indian born migrants live in London than Polish. Of the top 10 countries of origin of the 37% of Londoners born overseas only 3 countries are EU: Poland, Ireland and France. The other 7 are New Commonwealth or Somalia.

    Figure 8 and 9 also support my point. A higher percentage of New Commonwealth migrants live in London than EU migrants.
    There are more Indians in the UK than Poles as a whole so that's hardly a surprise and largely irrelevant to the original point about EU arrivals settling in London and the SE.

    From your link

    About 44,848 residents of London were born in Romania and this total accounts for 56.3% of all Romanian-born residents in England and Wales.

    A few numbers (EU settlement within LONDON only as a % of E and W)

    59.3 Bulgarian
    56.3 Romanian
    51.3 French
    46.6 Portuguese
    46.1 Italian
    45.3 Spain
    41.0 Lithuania

    London datastore will provide the full details.

    The notion of genuine dispersal across the UK is well wide of the mark.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    Brilliant, though I don't think he would lay a glove on AA Gill. The single best killer blow is not the writing but the contrast between the actual versus stock photos of the onions.

    For anyone who missed it if you follow the link to his website http://www.jayrayner.co.uk/news/
    you will see that the Observer only picked up 25% of the tab, the rest was his own/his companion's money. That must hurt.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    Ever thought of turning your hand Sean?
    I have, and I think I could turn a handy phrase or two, but I don't think I have the expert knowledge to challenge the best (and that's probably Rayner, right now, as Gill has gone). This only comes from experience, and Jay Rayner has been at it for nearly 20 years.

    My expertise is in more general travel journalism. I've been doing it three decades. I know a good 5 star or a good B&B or a rip-off gastropub when I see it. I am content to keep enduring free trips to nice places, for as long as they will employ me.

    My next gig is the chateaux, vineyards, gardens and Michelin-starred restaurants of the Loire, in a fortnight. I shall let you know if the crisis in French gastronomy is nationwide.

    It does sound pretty pisspoor. Mind you the description of Hotel X (George V) in Orwell's Down and out in Paris and London, shows there is nothing new about over rated reputation.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:


    The ratings for both shows are dire - though hopefully the Beeb aren't having to spend too much on the wages of the new hosts. I actually thought Top Gear had run its course, but if some people are still watching then good for them.

    To be honest, I actually would have put the Masters on BBC1. If you're going to spend money on sports rights like the Masters you might as well stick it on the main channel. But I guess they don't want to mess around with the news at 10 which I believe has to be in that slot six out of seven days (they like to use their one pass on Saturdays).

    I don't know what the rights fees for The masters are for the beeb, but it can't be much. CBS has broadcast the tournament for as long as I can remember, advertising is limited to 4 minutes an hour, and limited to the three sponsors - Mercedes Benz, AT&T and IBM. There are also 2 international sponsors - Rolex and UPS. In 2003 during the female membership controversy, the club swallowed the broadcasting fees and the tournament was shown commercial free.
    Well they're obviously not paying a huge amount otherwise they wouldn't have just renewed them. Unless it's Wimbledon or MotD, the BBC aren't particularly bothered.

    Interestingly, Sky have yet to renew their deal and I believe they are yet to agree a deal to show this year's PGA Championship. Last year they didn't show the US Open Tennis championship which just goes to show how tight for money Sky have become since the last Premier League deal.
    I'm not sure if it's "tight for money" or just unsure if they'll make a profit on their investment. As a commercial network, if you can't make money by showing it, you shouldn't bid for the rights.
    Estimating the value of individual rights to broadcasters like Sky is fiendishly difficult. Would the dropping of the US Open Tennis cost them subscribers? Probably not as it's on Eurosport anyway. But Sky's motto is "Believe in Better" so it's not a great look. Losing the PGA Championship would be a blow as golf probably does get Sky a fair few subscriptions (whereas I don't think tennis would).
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
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    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    Pulpstar said:

    Paging @viewcode

    Horse racing place odds (Grand national)

    Say an even race 40 horses. Odds should be 40.0 or 39-1.

    5 places
    There are 8 lots of 5 places so logically the odds to place if each horse is equal ought to be 7-1. Or 8.0

    8 = 40.0 (The horse odds)/5 (The number of places).

    Say we had a horse going off odds on though, 1.5

    Place odds 1.5 / 5 = 0.3 (Which doesn't make sense)...

    OK I think I've got it, but don't laugh at me if I got it wrong. If I remember correctly probability = 1/decimal odds, so we're going to have to do this European then translate to Brit at the end.

    PART 1: ALL HORSES HAVE THE SAME ODDS
    ==========================

    40 horses, so p(horse x wins) = 1/40 = 0.025
    5 places, so p(horse x places) = 5/40 = 0.125

    Translating that into decimal odds gives us

    decimal odds (horse x wins) = 1/0.025 = 40
    decimal odds (horse x places) = 1/0.125 = 8


    PART 2: HORSE X IS ODDS ON AT 1.5
    ==========================

    p(horse x wins) = 1/1.5 = 0.667
    p(horse x doesn't win) = 0.333

    p(horse x places) = p(horse x wins) + p(horse x doesn't win). p(horse achieves place 2,3,4 or 5 out of the remaining 39)
    = 0.667 + 0.333(4/39)
    = 0.667 + 0.333(0.103)
    = approx 0.7

    Translating that into decimal odds gives us

    decimal odds (horse x wins) = 1/0.667 = 1.5
    decimal odds (horse x places) = 1/approx 0.7 = 1.43

    Again, if I got it wrong, don't laugh
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    I've just had the most blissful week in the sun in Cornwall, introducing my older daughter to her dozens of mad Cornish relatives.

    We went to Glendurgan Gardens, we went to St Michael's Mount and Penare and Dodman's Point, we walked the cliffs of Lamorna, whence comes her middle name, we visited the cove by Place where Jesus landed as a boy, we walked Swanpool and Maenporth, we ate Cornish oysters and Cornish crab sandwiches, we skimmed stones on the beach at Trelissick, we drank absurdly expensive wine in the sunshine on the terrace at Idle Rocks in St Mawes and it was all, all, all sublime. Just sublime.

    Good evening.

    I spent half the summer holidays of my childhood in Cornwall, in the sunshine as it has been this past week it is sublime
    A week of cloudless Spring skies. The gardens at Glendurgan were just embarrassingly beautiful: Edenic, with the camellias in full bloom.

    Nowhere in the world is like Cornwall if you get lucky with the weather, especially in April or May.
    My paradise is the Coast between Dartmouth and Burgh Island.

    But it's been a lovely weekend, even in my garden.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    I think we managed £150 a head on food and more than doubled it with the wine. The Americans paid, bless 'em
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    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Now you must write 200 AV threads as a penance. :smiley:
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    BudGBudG Posts: 711

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    Cyan said:

    BudG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    First poll showing Melenchon ahead of Fillon:

    Macron 24%
    Le Pen 24%
    Melenchon 18%
    Fillon 17%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    That's what I'm talking about :D
    Melenchon on 6 from the Kantar Sofres previous poll. Le Pen and Macron both down 2 and Fillon stagnant.

    Head to heads

    Melenchon beats Le Pen 57-43 and narrowly loses to Macron 53-47
    And Poutou is up to 2.5%. Perhaps some polls will soon have Mélenchon in second place. He's certainly got some momentum.
    Melenchon is the one that will give Macron the toughest fight in the final round, if he gets through.

    53-47 head to head can easily be turned around in the TV debate ahead of the final vote, given Melenchon's performance in TV debates so far.
    Macron-Melenchon is the dream.

    Not sure how Fillon is still at 6.0, though I'm red enough on him at the moment.
    I'm the same. And now very red on both Fillon and Le Pen.

    Fast approaching squeaky bum time.
    Basically, the market is still a trading market rather than a betting market. As we get nearer to polling day in two weeks time, one would presume there will be one or two serious bettors entering the market for the first time, with a view to taking advantage of the anomalies that exist and then we might see prices starting to reflect the real chances of the candidates.

    Looking at the head to heads, the best chance both Le Pen and Fillon have is to face each other. For that to happen, Macron has to fade quite a bit, Melenchon's momentum has to come to a juddering halt and Fillon has to somehow drag himself up form 4th place (in the latest poll) to overtake both his male competitors, while at the same time hoping that Le Pen doesn't also slip much further. Not saying it cannot happen, but the stars really do have to align for either Le Pen or Fillon to win this.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    chestnut said:



    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    8 Poles in one house is rather overcrowded, but not much pressure on housing stock.

    Scale it up to the best part of 3 million arrivals - mainly in London/SE.

    Non-EU migrants favour London more than EU migrants, who are dispersed around the country and often living in places like Leicester with cheap housing.
    Would you like to have a bash at backing that up?
    Figure 6 on this page covers it:

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    A higer percentage of Indian born migrants live in London than Polish. Of the top 10 countries of origin of the 37% of Londoners born overseas only 3 countries are EU: Poland, Ireland and France. The other 7 are New Commonwealth or Somalia.

    Figure 8 and 9 also support my point. A higher percentage of New Commonwealth migrants live in London than EU migrants.
    There are more Indians in the UK than Poles as a whole so that's hardly a surprise and largely irrelevant to the original point about EU arrivals settling in London and the SE.

    From your link

    About 44,848 residents of London were born in Romania and this total accounts for 56.3% of all Romanian-born residents in England and Wales.

    A few numbers (EU settlement within LONDON only as a % of E and W)

    59.3 Bulgarian
    56.3 Romanian
    51.3 French
    46.6 Portuguese
    46.1 Italian
    45.3 Spain
    41.0 Lithuania

    London datastore will provide the full details.

    The notion of genuine dispersal across the UK is well wide of the mark.
    Those numbers are pretty similar for New Commonwealth arrivals too. Where do most Somali or Nigerian migrants settle for example?

    There are 7 Indian born migrants for each Romanian born. This should not come as a surprise when we look at the work that Sunilndid a couple of years ago on demographic changes within constituencies.

    The only A8 country featuring in the top 10 migrants countries of origin is Poland. The majority of the pressure on housing etc in London relating to immigration is non-EU. The highest percentage of Polish speakers in London is Ealing at 7%, far below the levels of non english speakers in Boroughs like Tower Hamlets. Polish migrants are more evenly spread than most, and increasingly indistinguishable from the native born in terms of habits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/25/polish-in-wakefield-brexit-vote-britain


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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162
    edited April 2017

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Have you received representations to devote 30 threads to the Corbynites? (And is this the result?)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Have you received representations to devote 30 threads to the Corbynites? (And is this the result?)
    Devoting threads to them is not the issue, so much as the tone of them, I suspect.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,629
    edited April 2017

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Have you received representations to devote 30 threads to the Corbynites? (And is this the result?)
    They've given up on me because I'm part of the Murdoch Zionist polling and media conspiracy against Corbyn.

    Their logic, the political editors of The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, and several pollsters follow me on twitter, thus I'm part of the cabal.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.


    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    I think we managed £150 a head on food and more than doubled it with the wine. The Americans paid, bless 'em
    I'd find it hard to judge really pricey restaurants.

    I like places that are smart, comfortable, with good food and wine, like say Al Duca, the Bleeding Heart, the National Liberal Club, but I'd never dream of paying £150 a head for food or wine.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    I've just had the most blissful week in the sun in Cornwall, introducing my older daughter to her dozens of mad Cornish relatives.

    We went to Glendurgan Gardens, we went to St Michael's Mount and Penare and Dodman's Point, we walked the cliffs of Lamorna, whence comes her middle name, we visited the cove by Place where Jesus landed as a boy, we walked Swanpool and Maenporth, we ate Cornish oysters and Cornish crab sandwiches, we skimmed stones on the beach at Trelissick, we drank absurdly expensive wine in the sunshine on the terrace at Idle Rocks in St Mawes and it was all, all, all sublime. Just sublime.

    Good evening.

    I spent half the summer holidays of my childhood in Cornwall, in the sunshine as it has been this past week it is sublime
    A week of cloudless Spring skies. The gardens at Glendurgan were just embarrassingly beautiful: Edenic, with the camellias in full bloom.

    Nowhere in the world is like Cornwall if you get lucky with the weather, especially in April or May.
    My paradise is the Coast between Dartmouth and Burgh Island.

    But it's been a lovely weekend.
    The Quantocks were fabulous this weekend
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    kle4 said:

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Have you received representations to devote 30 threads to the Corbynites? (And is this the result?)
    Devoting threads to them is not the issue, so much as the tone of them, I suspect.
    I write pro-Jez threads, see this as an example.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/30/in-praise-of-jeremy-corbyn/
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    Charles said:

    The Quantocks were fabulous this weekend

    Ew.

    :)

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    kle4 said:

    I write over 200 threads a year for PB, I'm allowed to have some fun occasionally.

    Have you received representations to devote 30 threads to the Corbynites? (And is this the result?)
    Devoting threads to them is not the issue, so much as the tone of them, I suspect.
    I write pro-Jez threads, see this as an example.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/30/in-praise-of-jeremy-corbyn/
    Perhaps so, but nothing ever satisfies Corbynites.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470

    chestnut said:



    chestnut said:

    chestnut said:

    8 Poles in one house is rather overcrowded, but not much pressure on housing stock.

    Scale it up to the best part of 3 million arrivals - mainly in London/SE.

    Non-EU migrants favour London more than EU migrants, who are dispersed around the country and often living in places like Leicester with cheap housing.
    Would you like to have a bash at backing that up?
    Figure 6 on this page covers it:

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    A higer percentage of Indian born migrants live in London than Polish. Of the top 10 countries of origin of the 37% of Londoners born overseas only 3 countries are EU: Poland, Ireland and France. The other 7 are New Commonwealth or Somalia.

    Figure 8 and 9 also support my point. A higher percentage of New Commonwealth migrants live in London than EU migrants.
    There are more Indians in the UK than Poles as a whole so that's hardly a surprise and largely irrelevant to the original point about EU arrivals settling in London and the SE.

    From your link

    About 44,848 residents of London were born in Romania and this total accounts for 56.3% of all Romanian-born residents in England and Wales.

    A few numbers (EU settlement within LONDON only as a % of E and W)

    59.3 Bulgarian
    56.3 Romanian
    51.3 French
    46.6 Portuguese
    46.1 Italian
    45.3 Spain
    41.0 Lithuania

    London datastore will provide the full details.

    The notion of genuine dispersal across the UK is well wide of the mark.
    Those numbers are pretty similar for New Commonwealth arrivals too. Where do most Somali or Nigerian migrants settle for example?

    Somalia is not in the Commonwealth.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341


    Those numbers are pretty similar for New Commonwealth arrivals too. Where do most Somali or Nigerian migrants settle for example?

    There are 7 Indian born migrants for each Romanian born. This should not come as a surprise when we look at the work that Sunilndid a couple of years ago on demographic changes within constituencies.

    The only A8 country featuring in the top 10 migrants countries of origin is Poland. The majority of the pressure on housing etc in London relating to immigration is non-EU. The highest percentage of Polish speakers in London is Ealing at 7%, far below the levels of non english speakers in Boroughs like Tower Hamlets. Polish migrants are more evenly spread than most, and increasingly indistinguishable from the native born in terms of habits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/25/polish-in-wakefield-brexit-vote-britain


    So, wave after wave of immigration is all falling in the same places?

    Commonwealth immigration has has decades to settle, and European A8 has had just over a decade while Romanians and Bulgarians have only been allowed in for three or four years.

    I would point out that up to the late 90s Commonwealth immigration was part of negligible net migration. Since 1997, it's gone barmy.

    And it is disproportinately falling on London/M25 - where the housing problems are.

    London is about 13% of the population but it's picking up 30-40-50% of the migration.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162
    Has Ken Livigstone ever fancied a role as a historian on French TV? His skills may be needed...

    https://twitter.com/afp/status/851145589748355072
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree.er. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    A newly rich friend of mine got me lunch at Kaspar's at the Savoy just before Christmas.

    £980. For two.

    A grand. For lunch.

    Thing is tho, we knew it was mad, but we had £300 of caviar to share, and the best possible vintage champagne, oysters, lobster, etc. So it didn't feel like a rip-off. We knew it was going to be absurdly expensive, and it was. And it was great fun, and delicious (it's hard to fuck up the world's best caviar, oysters, lobster and bubbly).

    And he's a multi-millionaire with an intent to enjoy life, who five years ago was in Cardiff jail serving time for manslaughter and heroin dealing.

    Life is short. But not short enough to go to Le Cinq, perhaps.
    Part of me wants to ask, how did he become a multi Millionaire?

    The other part thinks maybe I should not ask.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.


    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    I think we managed £150 a head on food and more than doubled it with the wine. The Americans paid, bless 'em
    I'd find it hard to judge really pricey restaurants.

    I like places that are smart, comfortable, with good food and wine, like say Al Duca, the Bleeding Heart, the National Liberal Club, but I'd never dream of paying £150 a head for food or wine.
    I ate in a two star recently, with tasting menu and wine that came to about €180 per head. It was worth it, though seven wines was a little bit much for me.

    This unstarred restaurant though was the best that I have eaten in last year. If in Prague book it, it is going to be very popular. The tasting menu is a very reasonable £50 per head.

    http://www.portfolio-restaurant.cz/en
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,006
    The most expensive meal I've ever had was £200 at the "Old Vicarage". It seems to have lost it's Michelin Star since I left - though I couldn't find fault with the food myself. The couple on the table next to us were having a quiet (But definitely blazing row), which seemed a bit of an odd way to spend a small fortune on a meal they clearly weren't enjoying :p
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    chestnut said:


    Those numbers are pretty similar for New Commonwealth arrivals too. Where do most Somali or Nigerian migrants settle for example?

    There are 7 Indian born migrants for each Romanian born. This should not come as a surprise when we look at the work that Sunilndid a couple of years ago on demographic changes within constituencies.

    The only A8 country featuring in the top 10 migrants countries of origin is Poland. The majority of the pressure on housing etc in London relating to immigration is non-EU. The highest percentage of Polish speakers in London is Ealing at 7%, far below the levels of non english speakers in Boroughs like Tower Hamlets. Polish migrants are more evenly spread than most, and increasingly indistinguishable from the native born in terms of habits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/25/polish-in-wakefield-brexit-vote-britain


    So, wave after wave of immigration is all falling in the same places?

    Commonwealth immigration has has decades to settle, and European A8 has had just over a decade while Romanians and Bulgarians have only been allowed in for three or four years.

    I would point out that up to the late 90s Commonwealth immigration was part of negligible net migration. Since 1997, it's gone barmy.

    And it is disproportinately falling on London/M25 - where the housing problems are.

    London is about 13% of the population but it's picking up 30-40-50% of the migration.
    And non EU migrants are about as numerous as EU, and more likely to settle permenantly alongside existing communities.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    edited April 2017

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    I wonder. Which do the Natonal have more of.... sales, or tweets here? :smiley:
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    SeanT said:

    BigRich said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    rown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!


    And he's a multi-millionaire with an intent to enjoy life, who five years ago was in Cardiff jail serving time for manslaughter and heroin dealing.

    Life is short. But not short enough to go to Le Cinq, perhaps.
    Part of me wants to ask, how did he become a multi Millionaire?

    The other part thinks maybe I should not ask.
    Bathroom and kitchen design. I kid you not. He has the most incredible lifestory of anyone I know, or indeed anyone I have heard of. When he got out of jail after his manslaughter conviction he thought he'd "try being a plumber".

    We first met when we were both heroin addicts. We both nearly died of drugs several times. Now he has a chauffeur and a fleet of limousines.
    Shan, I do like your anecdotes and story's, They bring something to this site! and keep me amused.

    But you know what's even better, Capitalism and its ability to give people second chances. Good for him!
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    If I had Salmond's form for over-enthusiastic mountaineering in Donald Trump's nether regions, this is a subject I would steer clear of. Business ambassador, lol.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    And non EU migrants are about as numerous as EU, and more likely to settle permenantly alongside existing communities.

    I've no idea what you hoping to demonstrate. None at all.

    That Anjem Choudhury and Winston Silcott are more likely to settle than Lech Walesa? What?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015
    BigRich said:

    SeanT said:



    Bathroom and kitchen design. I kid you not. He has the most incredible lifestory of anyone I know, or indeed anyone I have heard of. When he got out of jail after his manslaughter conviction he thought he'd "try being a plumber".

    We first met when we were both heroin addicts. We both nearly died of drugs several times. Now he has a chauffeur and a fleet of limousines.

    Shan, I do like your anecdotes and story's, They bring something to this site! and keep me amused.

    But you know what's even better, Capitalism and its ability to give people second chances. Good for him!
    And it rewards (some) people who go outside of their comfort zones and take a risk. Am rather jealous!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,315
    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,139

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    Like you spending a pound on a burger to a multi-squillionaire. He does love to boast about having squillions.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,315
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,015

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
    Some might say the same about the reaction to said compulsion :D
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2017
    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    A while ago on 15 Rory hit a wedge 164 yards. Kuchar aced 16.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,139
    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    The jokes on you yoons with all your World Power mince , willy waving your trident subs etc and yet , Russia mock you , unable to beat a carpet , your heroes ordered about like dogs by the yanks. Oh how we laugh.
    O wad some Power the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as ithers see us!
    It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
    An' foolish notion:
    What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
    An' ev'n devotion!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,629
    edited April 2017

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
    I have only one issue with The National.

    That columnist they have that speaks some weird Scottish, do people really speak like that in Scotland?

    Edit: Rab Wilson is the fella that I'm talking about.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    edited April 2017
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.
    That is a simply TERRIBLE line! :wink:
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
    But Rose does even better on 11 approach.

    I remember standing on 11 getting soaking wet watching Faldo win almost 30 years ago
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    chestnut said:

    And non EU migrants are about as numerous as EU, and more likely to settle permenantly alongside existing communities.

    I've no idea what you hoping to demonstrate. None at all.

    That Anjem Choudhury and Winston Silcott are more likely to settle than Lech Walesa? What?
    I believe Anjem Choudhury was born in the UK, so not a migrant.

    I was merely pointing out that most of the adverse impacts of immigration are from non EU migrants, while EU migrants are more dispersed, in tax paying employment and assimilating rapidly. In a few years, apart from challenging names to spell, they will be indistinguishable from other Britons.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.
    That is a simply TERRIBLE line! :wink:
    I'd expect Ewan Murray on Sky Sports to come out with something like that if he does win.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.
    That is a simply TERRIBLE line! :wink:
    It's just been revoked!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    I have clocked off work and prepared a tasty meal, ready to sit down and watch NewTopGear, with the wonderful Joey from Friends, the bald white one, the bald black one, the sexy German and the elderly goateed pervert. I switch on the telly and there's some ridiculous fucking golf thing going on until midnight. I am forced to watch the Fellowship of the Ring on ITV2, a film I can damn nearly recite by now.

    I am sorely vexed.

    Quick, somebody give me a leaver using statistics poorly so I can express my wrath.

    (Looks down the list)

    Ah...

    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts
    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    You might like the one star Johns house in nearby Mountsorrel. The tasting menu is a not unreasonable £70. Not too bad for a special occasion, about the same as my Champions League tickets for next week...

    http://www.johnshouse.co.uk/
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470

    chestnut said:

    And non EU migrants are about as numerous as EU, and more likely to settle permenantly alongside existing communities.

    I've no idea what you hoping to demonstrate. None at all.

    That Anjem Choudhury and Winston Silcott are more likely to settle than Lech Walesa? What?
    I believe Anjem Choudhury was born in the UK, so not a migrant.

    I was merely pointing out that most of the adverse impacts of immigration are from non EU migrants, while EU migrants are more dispersed, in tax paying employment and assimilating rapidly. In a few years, apart from challenging names to spell, they will be indistinguishable from other Britons.
    RACIST REMAINER!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
    But Rose does even better on 11 approach.

    I remember standing on 11 getting soaking wet watching Faldo win almost 30 years ago
    You lucky git.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,315

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
    I have only one issue with The National.

    That columnist they have that speaks some weird Scottish, do people really speak like that in Scotland?

    Edit: Rab Wilson is the fella that I'm talking about.
    They do, or variations thereof.

    Imagine hardcore Scally put into print.
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    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
    I have only one issue with The National.

    That columnist they have that speaks some weird Scottish, do people really speak like that in Scotland?

    Edit: Rab Wilson is the fella that I'm talking about.
    They do, or variations thereof.

    Imagine hardcore Scally put into print.
    Thanks.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
    But Rose does even better on 11 approach.

    I remember standing on 11 getting soaking wet watching Faldo win almost 30 years ago
    You lucky git.
    Not really - I got soaking wet.

    I was on the scoring committee at The Masters for 4 years. I lived in Augusta for 11 years.

    Fun fact - the 11th green is the only place on the course that doesn't slope towards Rae's Creek.

    The first year I was there, I watched the honorary starters - Sam Snead, Gene Sarazen and Byron Nelson.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Calling all brexiteers,

    Based on the facts as presented in the article, does anyone actually have a problem with our country granting this young lady a British passport?

    http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/french-born-ipswich-student-denied-british-citizenship-despite-having-british-mother-1-4964524

    Do you consider her a different nationality, other than British?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470

    RobD said:

    twitter.com/scotnational/status/851173693862678532

    Pavlov's Yoons will respond as expected.
    It's hard not to poke fun at the Nat-onal. :p
    A Pavlovian compulsion, one might say..
    I have only one issue with The National.

    That columnist they have that speaks some weird Scottish, do people really speak like that in Scotland?

    Edit: Rab Wilson is the fella that I'm talking about.
    They do, or variations thereof.

    Imagine hardcore Scally put into print.
    English is the best language in the world!
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    isamisam Posts: 41,014
    This is where the migrants are sent... & when the existing population complain they're called racist. Wonder why they stuck two fingers up last June

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/851180198657761280
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
    But Rose does even better on 11 approach.

    I remember standing on 11 getting soaking wet watching Faldo win almost 30 years ago
    You lucky git.
    Not really - I got soaking wet.

    I was on the scoring committee at The Masters for 4 years. I lived in Augusta for 11 years.

    Fun fact - the 11th green is the only place on the course that doesn't slope towards Rae's Creek.
    Of all the claims to fame from people on this site, I rank that as number 1. Pieters at -6 could set a decent target but Rose is looking very good right now.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Pong said:

    Calling all brexiteers,

    Based on the facts as presented in the article, does anyone actually have a problem with our country granting this young lady a British passport?

    http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/french-born-ipswich-student-denied-british-citizenship-despite-having-british-mother-1-4964524

    Do you consider her a different nationality, other than British?

    On the basis of that article alone it is hard to see why we wouldn't.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    viewcode said:

    Charles said:

    The Quantocks were fabulous this weekend

    Ew.

    :)

    ?

    West Somerset's not that bad!
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    See this is the casus belli for Putin making Corbyn PM

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/851186524607721472
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    malcolmg said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:



    Fair to say the gripping Masters' battle between Rose and Garcia will be more than a replacement for Top Gear, which is now a shadow of its former self without the original trio, despite Le Blanc's best efforts

    I am with viewcode, New Top Gear series 2 is rather good. It has grown on me, while The Grand Tour has faded. Victory to Auntie methinks.
    Disagree. I find both disappointing, the new Top Gear is still pretty desperate and contrived, the Grand Tour is over-scripted, but has glimpses of genius - but nowhere near enough, yet.

    The viewing figures for both are dire in comparison to the Old Top Gear.

    The BBC's Top Gear will become what it was, a niche programme for petrolheads, with minimal foreign viewers (so the BBC will lose squillions), the fate of Grand Tour depends on Clarkson's ability to re-invent himself one more time - who knows.

    Talking of the old-ish making way for the new-ish, did anyone read Jay Rayner's brilliant evisceration of Le Cinq restaurant in Paris in the Observer today? The best hatchet job on a restaurant I have seen, maybe ever. Better than AA Gill in his prime. French food is really fucked, on many levels.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/09/le-cinq-paris-restaurant-review-jay-rayner
    It's a very amusing review. On one point of detail, the handbag stool is not that unusual (I ate in a very nice but not Michelin-starred restaurant in Munich two weeks ago with handbag stools at every table). In Central Europe it's unlucky to put your bag on the floor.
    Cinq was the dullest most overpriced restaurant I've been too. I even splashed out on a 1990 Vosne Romanie which they served chilled to death.

    I have not been back in a decade.
    Six hundred quid on one meal? I've genuinely bought cheaper cars!
    Like you spending a pound on a burger to a multi-squillionaire. He does love to boast about having squillions.
    The joys of an expense account!

    Personally I rarely spend more than 30-40 per head on food (although I do splash out on good wine)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim_B said:

    Rose (-8) over Sergio by 1 thru 10. Now it begins: the biggest pressure cooker in golf. The back 9 on masters Sunday. Sergio's drive on 11 looks like trouble again.

    It's all over. Rose will be wearing the Green Jacket in a couple of hours. Spieth, LOL!
    Could well be. Speith in the water on 12.

    If Kuchar finishes birdie birdie following the ace on 16 he'll be in the clubhouse at -7.
    Sergio f***** on 11. The azaleas may be over, but Rose is in full bloom this week.

    EDIT: Very good recovery from Garcia. What is it about him and trees?
    But Rose does even better on 11 approach.

    I remember standing on 11 getting soaking wet watching Faldo win almost 30 years ago
    You lucky git.
    Not really - I got soaking wet.

    I was on the scoring committee at The Masters for 4 years. I lived in Augusta for 11 years.

    Fun fact - the 11th green is the only place on the course that doesn't slope towards Rae's Creek.
    Of all the claims to fame from people on this site, I rank that as number 1. Pieters at -6 could set a decent target but Rose is looking very good right now.
    My first year on the committee Nicklaus won his 6th. It was utter magic. I had an all access pass and my desk was in the Post Office in the clubhouse.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    If I ever, through luck or hard work, find myself with extraordinary wealth, I will only ever consume food which is either hideously overpriced, or normal but literally served off the backs of local poor people. Rich man's human table would still count toward the employment statistics, right?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pong said:

    Calling all brexiteers,

    Based on the facts as presented in the article, does anyone actually have a problem with our country granting this young lady a British passport?

    http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/french-born-ipswich-student-denied-british-citizenship-despite-having-british-mother-1-4964524

    Do you consider her a different nationality, other than British?

    No she's not a different nationality.

    But if the rules say "include X with your application" and you don't you shouldn't expect to be successful
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    Cyan said:

    BudG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    First poll showing Melenchon ahead of Fillon:

    Macron 24%
    Le Pen 24%
    Melenchon 18%
    Fillon 17%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    That's what I'm talking about :D
    Melenchon on 6 from the Kantar Sofres previous poll. Le Pen and Macron both down 2 and Fillon stagnant.

    Head to heads

    Melenchon beats Le Pen 57-43 and narrowly loses to Macron 53-47
    And Poutou is up to 2.5%. Perhaps some polls will soon have Mélenchon in second place. He's certainly got some momentum.
    Melenchon is the one that will give Macron the toughest fight in the final round, if he gets through.

    53-47 head to head can easily be turned around in the TV debate ahead of the final vote, given Melenchon's performance in TV debates so far.
    Macron-Melenchon is the dream.

    Not sure how Fillon is still at 6.0, though I'm red enough on him at the moment.
    I'm the same. And now very red on both Fillon and Le Pen.

    Fast approaching squeaky bum time.
    Just look at the crowds Melenchon is pulling in. This was him today in Marseille.

    It's sad that UK campaigns these days are devoid of this kind of public speaking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrjWwsV4zS4
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470

    See this is the casus belli for Putin making Corbyn PM

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/851186524607721472

    Are the Kremlin gonna use their evil "mind-control" ray on us, so that we are "persuaded" to vote Corbyn?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    Putin backs Scottish independence so not that surprising The National backs the line from the Kremlin
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2017
    Sergio in trouble on 13 with his tee shot. Taking an unplayable.His irons go right, and his woods go left. Looks like Rose's to lose now.

    Scoreboard looks almost like the Olympics.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    Cyan said:

    BudG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    First poll showing Melenchon ahead of Fillon:

    Macron 24%
    Le Pen 24%
    Melenchon 18%
    Fillon 17%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    That's what I'm talking about :D
    Melenchon on 6 from the Kantar Sofres previous poll. Le Pen and Macron both down 2 and Fillon stagnant.

    Head to heads

    Melenchon beats Le Pen 57-43 and narrowly loses to Macron 53-47
    And Poutou is up to 2.5%. Perhaps some polls will soon have Mélenchon in second place. He's certainly got some momentum.
    Melenchon is the one that will give Macron the toughest fight in the final round, if he gets through.

    53-47 head to head can easily be turned around in the TV debate ahead of the final vote, given Melenchon's performance in TV debates so far.
    Macron-Melenchon is the dream.

    Not sure how Fillon is still at 6.0, though I'm red enough on him at the moment.
    I'm the same. And now very red on both Fillon and Le Pen.

    Fast approaching squeaky bum time.
    Just look at the crowds Melenchon is pulling in. This was him today in Marseille.

    It's sad that UK campaigns these days are devoid of this kind of public speaking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrjWwsV4zS4
    I'd feel embarrassed to go along to such an event and get so worked up about what is sure to be either tedious pablum we've all heard a million times before, or stirringly delivered but likely silly political posturing and vague nonsense.

    If the candidate is charismatic and has something genuinely new and interesting to say, while still being more than just talk, I could see the appeal, but how often does that happen?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    53% of Leave voters back restoration of the death penalty once the UK leaves the EU

    http://www.thenationalstudent.com/National/2017-04-05/over_half_of_leave_voters_would_restore_the_death_penalty_in_the_uk.html
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,042
    edited April 2017
    Charles said:

    viewcode said:

    Charles said:

    The Quantocks were fabulous this weekend

    Ew.

    :)

    ?

    West Somerset's not that bad!
    "Quantocks" sounded rude. So by saying "ew" I was juxtaposing the mundane reality of the place name with the more genital interpretation, thereby simultaneously creating tension between the two modes and releasing it with the response, generating humour as the two resolved: the origin of all comedy as Freud speculated.

    Next week: the fart joke. What is the efficacy of "he who dealt it, smelt it"? We discuss.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    edited April 2017
    HYUFD said:
    Is that particularly surprising? Support generally for the death penalty has been pretty high. This 2014 piece registers support had been falling, but it was still supported more than opposed.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/

    By 45-39% people tend to support the reintroduction of the death penalty for murder.

    Support has been dropping steadily - in 2010, 51% were in favour and 37% opposed


    Leave voters might be more inclined, but it really doesn't seem an especially Leave/Remain issue - 53% of those who supported Brexit means something like 26% of those who voted in the referendum, meaning a very good portion of Remain voters would presumably support it too.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470
    HYUFD said:
    Hmmm.... guess I'm one of the 47% :)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:
    As I've said on here before, I used to be pro-death penalty, but following my grand jury involvement in the process, I no longer am pro.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is that particularly surprising? Support generally for the death penalty has been pretty high. This 2014 piece registers support had been falling, but it was still supported more than opposed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/08/13/capital-punishment-50-years-favoured/

    By 45-39% people tend to support the reintroduction of the death penalty for murder.

    Support has been dropping steadily - in 2010, 51% were in favour and 37% opposed
    Yes, it is one of those issues where MPs are significantly more liberal than the population as a whole, personally I would only consider it for serial killers
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,470
    What's the American response to the suicide bombings in Egypt? Air strikes against IS?
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