» show previous quotes You mean he doesn't agree with you Malc.. Is the sun shining in the Midlands? You seem to have caught a touch.. and so early in the day too.
Your guidance geometrics are about as accurate as US missiles , 300 miles off target. No problem with him diasgreeing , I meanwhile doubt some of the information and engage my brain whereas the fool just regurgitates US propaganda verbatim. Not enough brains to be able to think for himself.
1. Click bait. 2. Michael Dugher not pulling his punches, he’ll be on Jeremy’s naughty step at this rate. 3. I never know if Putin’s seal of approval is good or bad for the candidate.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Hurst , he was kidding when he said it was NOT clickbait. You are very kind just rating it as preposterous.
Is No the new First? It has the advantage of allowing more than one winner.
O/T Well, maybe, but are we to assume Mr Putin is already trying, and has been trying for ages, or that he has yet to stick his oar in?
If his attempts are still to come, it would presumably have to be making the Conservatives look so bad that swathes of the electorate will think anything's better than that.
Since that's what most of them seem to think already about Mr Corbyn's Labour, I can't help thinking that before the UK got very far down that path, some unintended consequences would kick in and there would be some rather unexpected results.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Hurst , he was kidding when he said it was NOT clickbait. You are very kind just rating it as preposterous.
Fair go, Mr. G., I think I will go and have a nice curry lunch. I may be back later, but I doubt it.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.
Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?
I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
Jeremy Corbyn is not the British Trump; Trump had an energised core of support and a party which united behind him once he won the nomination, and he's a charismatic rabble rouser who faced off against an unpopular party robot.
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.
Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?
I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.
Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?
I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
I find the idea of loans for this purpose rather strange. If a political party can't afford a campaign, what hope have they of repaying a loan once the campaign is over?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
I have heard people say that Putin (well the Russian government) has lent Le Pen, 10 million Euro, to help her run her campaign.
Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?
I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
I find the idea of loans for this purpose rather strange. If a political party can't afford a campaign, what hope have they of repaying a loan once the campaign is over?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
One word, Corbyn.
I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
I don't dispute for a moment that the Russians try to influence elections, but I wonder how effective it is. My guess is fairly marginal. I do find it hard to take US complaints particularly seriously when they seem to have no qualms about using a wide spectrum of techniques to influence the politics of other countries.
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.
Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Isn't the difference (assuming this is a serious proposition) that Corbyn is already defined as a loser with dozens of negatives that has taken a party down from where he found it? I think it would be impossible to polish this particular turd as its already stuck to the shoe of the person yet to be convinced
The other alleged Russian influenced events were always on the up werent they?
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.
Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
One word, Corbyn.
I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
If one rules out the whole idea then there's no need to factor the possibility into one's bets. (I don't bet anyway.)
However, maybe it isn't preposterous. In that case PB.com would be looking long & hard at the Kremlinology. So, first up: is there any real evidence to suggest that countries' recent elections have been won by parties/individuals beneficial to Moscow? (Remember that 'beneficial' isn't necessarily the same as 'friendly'.)
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
One word, Corbyn.
I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
You can Corbyn right off :-)
I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
If one rules out the whole idea then there's no need to factor the possibility into one's bets. (I don't bet anyway.)
However, maybe it isn't preposterous. In that case PB.com would be looking long & hard at the Kremlinology. So, first up: is there any real evidence to suggest that countries' recent elections have been won by parties/individuals beneficial to Moscow? (Remember that 'beneficial' isn't necessarily the same as 'friendly'.)
The roughly $5 billion spent by official campaigns and lobbyists during the run up to the Presidential and Congressional elections is far more likely to have determined the result than the efforts of the Kremlin. I look forward to Congress investigating the malign influence of those efforts.
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.
Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
You don't think Stalin's cabal resembled a gangster fiefdom? In fact Joseph Vissarionovich was literally a gangster in his youth.
...How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters?...
The four specific accusations with respect to POTUS 2016 are:
* 1) Accessing voter registration lists. * 2) Creating fake news sites * 3) Funding research and targeting organisations * 4) Liasing with opposition candidates
You take the voter registration lists, use the research and targeting organisations to construct profiles of voters who are more recipient to your messages, target them with your fake news and "push polling", use your liaisons to ensure you know who's doing what and make sure you're not pissing your money away.
If you're feeling really sadistic, you can deregister voters you believe will vote against you, and plant/uncover unflattering/criminal details of the people you don't want to win, ready to pop just before the election. Garnish with virtual posters generating fear, uncertainty and doubt and serve.
Basically, normal politics but with the force of another state behind it.
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
Afternoon Gin, just have a more illiterate easier fooled public nowadays. They believe any crap the tame media put out, braindead many of them. No muzzling the press nowadays just get them to print mince.
Jeremy Corbyn is not the British Trump; Trump had an energised core of support and a party which united behind him once he won the nomination, and he's a charismatic rabble rouser who faced off against an unpopular party robot.
If Corbyn is anything he is an uncharismatic Bernie Sanders
Putin might have preferred Trump to Clinton, although he may be having second thoughts now, but I do wonder how effective Russian influence proved to be in the end. "Basket of deplorables" and not campaigning in some close mid-west states probably did more harm to Clinton than anything the Kremlin arranged. Do people want to claim that the Russians were involved in f*cking up the Democrat campaign? I could almost believe that.
The paranoia about Vlad and Russia is getting crazy.
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
I'd have thought the obvious way to set about it would be to push (covertly, of course) for electronic voting. The hackers could then 'elect' whoever they wanted.
Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
The Russians are about as far away as it's possible to be from 'reds' in the historical sense. It really is a gangster fiefdom.
You don't think Stalin's cabal resembled a gangster fiefdom? In fact Joseph Vissarionovich was literally a gangster in his youth.
Yes. The Russia that most people think of as the 'reds' and that the British left identify with though clearly isn't that. It's the 1950s collectivism. The Leninist veneer that was painted over what Stalin did. In some ways it worked though.
The current arrangement in Russia also works. A side effect though is that we get to see the rather unpleasant side of Russian society here in the UK spending their gains.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
One word, Corbyn.
I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
You can Corbyn right off :-)
I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!
...How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters?...
The four specific accusations with respect to POTUS 2016 are:
* 1) Accessing voter registration lists. * 2) Creating fake news sites * 3) Funding research and targeting organisations * 4) Liasing with opposition candidates
You take the voter registration lists, use the research and targeting organisations to construct profiles of voters who are more recipient to your messages, target them with your fake news and "push polling", use your liaisons to ensure you know who's doing what and make sure you're not pissing your money away.
If you're feeling really sadistic, you can deregister voters you believe will vote against you, and plant/uncover unflattering/criminal details of the people you don't want to win, ready to pop just before the election. Garnish with virtual posters generating fear, uncertainty and doubt and serve.
Basically, normal politics but with the force of another state behind it.
Pause.
Well, you did ask...
None of PB's finest would be taken in by fake news sites.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
One word, Corbyn.
I would suggest that the mods immediately ban you for that sort of language.
You can Corbyn right off :-)
I've had Abbott as much of you as I'm prepared to take. Don't make the McDonnell of thinking that I'll stand for this. I've considered these matters over a Long-Bailey while. There's not a chance in an Umunna that you're right. I don't give a Will Straw for your views. I hope I've Benn clear!
Bravo sir, bravo
Ta Should have been 'chance in a blue Umunna', but I'm sure you guessed that.
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
Easy mistake to make though. Both are extremists, both have problems with antisemitism in their party, both are in politics because of family influence, both are rather dim, both pretend to care about poor people and both have f*** all idea of how to actually help them. One of them is dead certain to come second at the next election, and one will undoubtedly come second unless the Liberal Democrats have a really surprisingly good night.
The key difference is that Le Pen is a woman. However it should be noted that this is the key difference most noticeable in this photograph.
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
Wow.
I'm sort of speechless. What an embarrassment for anyone that's Russian.
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
What are the benefits of membership?
Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.
Comrade Miss JGP, good and productive afternoon to you.
Naturally, all sporting events have no pre-determined result. It is simply the law of moral competence that those who most ardently support glorious President Putin, and therefore have the strongest moral fibre, go on to achieve the greatest success.
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
What are the benefits of membership?
Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
What are the benefits of membership?
Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.
If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
What are the benefits of membership?
Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.
If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
Perhaps they'll be infiltrated by Momentum. "Give us 30 fake news items. You do hundreds of them so 30 shouldn't be a problem."
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Yes they're genuine. Incidentally and on topic, the Russian embassy in London has a 'club' which in order to join you need to grant access to retweet on your behalf from your Twitter account...
What are the benefits of membership?
Members receive a newsletter with news and analysis handpicked by the Russian Embassy in London, participate in regular competitions and prize draws, and are invited to a special reception at Ambassador’s London residence. But most important, you become a part of a global discussion, by not just spreading a message, but also sharing your personal views.
If that's the sign-up link, by posting it here you've probably just guaranteed that they'll be deluged with subscribers. Watch out for a sudden spike in traffic/activity! (Or maybe their server will fall over.)
Perhaps they'll be infiltrated by Momentum. "Give us 30 fake news items. You do hundreds of them so 30 shouldn't be a problem."
If that twitter feed is real then if they get infiltrated by some tubs of lard it'll be a significant upgrade to their ability to think.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
We have a quasi Presidential system.
What difference does it make? Corbyn will never be PM.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
We have a quasi Presidential system.
Not enough to facilitate a demagogue being elected. You need to influence a large minority of voters in 336 localities. Much harder to organise
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Mrs C, it's happily unlikely but many said that Trump could never be president and the UK would never vote to leave the EU.
Mr Dancer, the minute it looks like Labour is electable, some ambitious bunch within Labour will ensure Corbyn is sidelined and that their person is leader.
Corbyn might as well remain in charge of a shambles because at this point there is no benefit for whoever succeeds him so no contenders will emerge.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
Labour and the Lib Dems have also been fined by the electoral commission.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
Labour and the Lib Dems have also been fined by the electoral commission.
Rob, they are amateurs compared to the Tories, same as spies defecting to the Russians, Tory to a person. A perfidious lot for sure.
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
Isn't that factored in already? If you can swing one vote, why not 650?
If they are Tories it is just how much cash required
What is the point at which we should be getting suspicious of foreign intervention? Con Gain Bootle, as @Ave_it used to say?
The whole thrust of TSE's header is a nonsense. How FFS can Russia decide or even influence millions of voters? The idea is preposterous. I suspect it is being used by those who want to excuse the failure of their prefered candidate.
Have you read the thread?
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Has no one printed out we have a parliamentary rather than presidential system?
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You mean he doesn't agree with you Malc.. Is the sun shining in the Midlands? You seem to have caught a touch.. and so early in the day too.
Your guidance geometrics are about as accurate as US missiles , 300 miles off target. No problem with him diasgreeing , I meanwhile doubt some of the information and engage my brain whereas the fool just regurgitates US propaganda verbatim. Not enough brains to be able to think for himself.
2. Michael Dugher not pulling his punches, he’ll be on Jeremy’s naughty step at this rate.
3. I never know if Putin’s seal of approval is good or bad for the candidate.
The UK acts as the banker for Russia's elite (such as it is). I'm not so sure that Comrade Corbyn is quite the thing for them any more.
O/T Well, maybe, but are we to assume Mr Putin is already trying, and has been trying for ages, or that he has yet to stick his oar in?
If his attempts are still to come, it would presumably have to be making the Conservatives look so bad that swathes of the electorate will think anything's better than that.
Since that's what most of them seem to think already about Mr Corbyn's Labour, I can't help thinking that before the UK got very far down that path, some unintended consequences would kick in and there would be some rather unexpected results.
Mr Farage for PM, perhaps?
Good afternoon, everybody.
Dick Cheney says Russia interfered with the last US Presidential election, he is no fan of Hillary Clinton.
Events in France have also led to concerns.
If it can happen in America and France why not here?
Does anybody know if there is any thing in this?
I could have thought that, it would have crated a bigger back lash than it was worth. but maybe I am wrong.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
Nothing on this earth could makke Corbyn PM - apart from revolution favoured by the hard left loons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_for_Honours
I'm not a fan of Putin myself but at the moment it feels like we're back in the 1950's and "red's under the bed" lol!
Except, of course, there might be rival gangs of hackers with differing aims.
Using fake news on social media.
The other alleged Russian influenced events were always on the up werent they?
Nuttall to make Jezza PM ? .... Obviously.
However, maybe it isn't preposterous. In that case PB.com would be looking long & hard at the Kremlinology. So, first up: is there any real evidence to suggest that countries' recent elections have been won by parties/individuals beneficial to Moscow? (Remember that 'beneficial' isn't necessarily the same as 'friendly'.)
That something being his accusation of Boris being a pathetic Washington poodle for not going to see the Russians but having Uncle Rex go instead.
If he must be kept around, it's time for Boris to be made Minister for paperclips or something.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/851072013594742784
* 1) Accessing voter registration lists.
* 2) Creating fake news sites
* 3) Funding research and targeting organisations
* 4) Liasing with opposition candidates
You take the voter registration lists, use the research and targeting organisations to construct profiles of voters who are more recipient to your messages, target them with your fake news and "push polling", use your liaisons to ensure you know who's doing what and make sure you're not pissing your money away.
If you're feeling really sadistic, you can deregister voters you believe will vote against you, and plant/uncover unflattering/criminal details of the people you don't want to win, ready to pop just before the election. Garnish with virtual posters generating fear, uncertainty and doubt and serve.
Basically, normal politics but with the force of another state behind it.
Pause.
Well, you did ask...
Let's hope it is amusing and not prescient.
No muzzling the press nowadays just get them to print mince.
Would have done
The current arrangement in Russia also works. A side effect though is that we get to see the rather unpleasant side of Russian society here in the UK spending their gains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMKsR_wUSfA
Not.
Anyway, to answer 'why couldn’t Putin make Corbyn PM?', what's that line about a pig and lipstick again?
Normal politics? Sadly.
Should have been 'chance in a blue Umunna', but I'm sure you guessed that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/08/boris-johnson-spearhead-diplomatic-drive-get-russian-forces/
Are these tweets really from the Russian Embassy? The Telegraph seems to report them as such.
Do not forget to consult the People's Sporting Excellence Motorsport Blog, compiled with ruthless scrutiny and objectivity by the Commissar for Highly Dangerous Speed (myself): http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/china-post-race-analysis-2017.html
The key difference is that Le Pen is a woman. However it should be noted that this is the key difference most noticeable in this photograph.
I'm sort of speechless. What an embarrassment for anyone that's Russian.
Do you reveal all, about how Mr Putin arranges the podium-finishers before the race starts?
http://rusemb.org.uk/dc/
I wonder whether you've ever considered writing comedy scripts.
Naturally, all sporting events have no pre-determined result. It is simply the law of moral competence that those who most ardently support glorious President Putin, and therefore have the strongest moral fibre, go on to achieve the greatest success.
Those are already split up amongst hilarious "LibDem World Domination Is Imminent" threads
Go back to your constituencies and prepared for World Domination.
Do we get multiple choices?
It felt like a tie-breaker in a pub quiz when the answer turns out to be someone completely unexpected.
Corbyn might as well remain in charge of a shambles because at this point there is no benefit for whoever succeeds him so no contenders will emerge.
It needs Fallon to be stroking a white cat at the time, though.