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  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    edited March 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Well, I won't be too bothered if that particular Muslim leaves in a few months time!
    I hate to say it but I think I agree.. He is a luxury we can no longer afford

    That tweet was a wind up though from @Giroudesquee, to see who would fall for it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Tim_B said:

    I'm aware of that - just don't see the relevance to his actions today.
    Another terrorist attack that touched him personally, of course.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    I did read War and Peace many years ago. In spite of its length I recall it being an easy read, thanks to strong narrative, so you always want to know what happens next. Tolstoy clearly loved his characters who are mostly very believable and human. His philosophy can be very random however.

    Nice to chat about literature on this day of grim murder.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Still Scotland 1, Canada 1.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,315
    Churchillian stuff from May tonight.

    She was clearly both nervous and emotional in its delivery. Understandably so.
  • I have been watching Sky virtually since the first news of the attack and he has not featured at all as far as I am aware
    Yeah he has. Not a lot, but he has definitely been quoted, and his video statement was shown. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Dickens churned out his prose as though he knew he would be responsible for the employment of generations of English character actors.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Tim_B said:

    Iain Duncan Smith saying the police officer killed was female.

    SKY just said the officer was male.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Don't know about that, this is moving though

    https://twitter.com/rhughes_police/status/844655218428166146
    It is indeed
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    Oh I am not saying that! I think he was reporting someone else falling for it :smile:
  • First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Why do I EVER bother watching England football matches on ITV?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.

    What was the problem with their front page?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Dickens churned out his prose as though he knew he would be responsible for the employment of generations of English character actors.

    I am sure Simon Callow and Miriam Margolyes are very grateful!
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited March 2017

    First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.

    The attack is barely noticeable on the C4 News website!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2017

    The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.

    He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.

  • The attack is barely noticeable on the C4 News website!
    They are redoing it currently. New front page is still to be released.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Churchillian stuff from May tonight.

    She was clearly both nervous and emotional in its delivery. Understandably so.

    "Let us go forward together"
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
    I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017

    Why do I EVER bother watching England football matches on ITV?

    International football is largely a waste of time.

    Too many games, too many friendlies, too many countries.

    It should purely be an end of season/summer sport and they should cut to the chase.
  • AndyJS said:

    What was the problem with their front page?
    If you've seen the Reuters photos which are horrific, they had one of the victims on the bridge zoomed in to just showing his one leg and distinctive black shoe along with a pool of blood. I
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited March 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    How much are you offering at 2.2 ?
    If I wanted to sell Macron I'd do it at Betfair at 1.55. The only friendly bet I've had on the election is for €20 with a French pal, on NDA scoring more than double his 2012 score of 1.8%.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Tim_B said:

    Oh dear - I hope he's not in the southeast - I would not want to run across him.
    He was actually. Florida. He is dead now so if you do run across him then the Zombie Apocalypse has started :)

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    If you've seen the Reuters photos which are horrific, they had one of the victims on the bridge zoomed in to just showing his one leg and distinctive black shoe along with a pool of blood. I
    I don't see the problem with that evocative photo myself.
  • RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233

    "In 1979, the Manx people celebrated the millennium of their parliament, although there is no evidence that suggests such an assembly was held in 979, or that any such event resembled the modern-day court.[5] In fact, the first record of the place-name occurs in the mid 13th century Chronicle of Mann, and the first description of the role and composition of an assembly held on-site occurs in the early 15th century.[6]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald
    Interesting that Tynwald is derived from Norse rather than Manx and means "meeting place" as distinct from Parliament (talking shop) or Senate (old folks' home).
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    oooh Mrs C

    sorry to hear, that's harsh

    It was something of a life-changing moment. It was a long time ago and I sort of forgave him 25 years later when I heard of his death.
  • I don't see the problem with that evocative photo myself.
    It's certainly powerful but like the former i editor was saying he'd use the photo of ellwood and the emergency services trying to say the policeman.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SKY just said the officer was male.
    IDS just was trying to make some news. Looks like there is a competition going on. Who can say what and fast !
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
    Famous book.. The Woman in White


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_in_White_(novel)
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Shock moment SNP politician MOANS about terror attack delaying Scottish independence vote:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/782658/london-terror-atack-snp-minister-meltdown-holyrood-suspension

    That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Add an S at the start of the second word, and it would be a totally different story...
    It would have improved it no end :D

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    I thought Shogun was way too long. I much preferred Noble House.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    surbiton said:

    IDS just was trying to make some news. Looks like there is a competition going on. Who can say what and fast !
    That is unfair. I suspect IDS just mixed up 2 news reports - one about a female victim and the second about a police death. Given that they didn't have full media access during their lockdown, a certain amount of confusion can be forgiven.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    I thought Shogun was way too long. I much preferred Noble House.

    The love story was far better in Shogun.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Famous book.. The Woman in White


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_in_White_(novel)
    TV adaptation being filmed in Belfast at this very moment.
  • RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233

    Yeah he has. Not a lot, but he has definitely been quoted, and his video statement was shown. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
    In these circumstances I assume the security services' greatest fear is grandstanding politicos muscling in where they don't belong. A decent reticence by both Khan and May has been noted and greatly appreciated.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    surbiton said:

    IDS just was trying to make some news. Looks like there is a competition going on. Who can say what and fast !
    oh give it a rest
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329

    Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.

    Sure is!
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    edited March 2017
    Y0kel said:

    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.

    it's UK policy

    our aircraft carriers are the same
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787
    Lindsay Hoyle actually acts like the Speaker
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,507

    He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.

    I'd probably give the credit to James Hogg's Confessions of a Justified Sinner, which is the earliest psychological/supernatural thriller I can think of (published in 1816). It's a remarkably modern story.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Except there was no Althing between 1800 and 1845
    A mere flesh wound. I think we had an 11 year gap under Charles 1, didn't we?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219

    it's UK policy

    our aircraft carriers are the same
    No. 617 Squadron has 12 aircraft. The first carrier hasn't gone to sea yet.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Y0kel said:

    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.

    Alternatively, some dimwit with a car and a knife thinks he will succeed where the IRA and Luftwaffe have failed.

    Not so much terrorist as tosserist.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,507

    I thought Shogun was way too long. I much preferred Noble House.

    Shogun gave us the Japanese lord who composes Haiku, while listening to the screams of a man being boiled alive.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Lindsay Hoyle actually acts like the Speaker

    He certainly handled things today with an avuncular charm. Bercow would have made it all about him.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Y0kel said:

    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.

    I don't believe that every officer in and around the Parliamentary Estate should be armed as a matter of course.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Cyan said:

    That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
    Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    "In 1979, the Manx people celebrated the millennium of their parliament, although there is no evidence that suggests such an assembly was held in 979, or that any such event resembled the modern-day court.[5] In fact, the first record of the place-name occurs in the mid 13th century Chronicle of Mann, and the first description of the role and composition of an assembly held on-site occurs in the early 15th century.[6]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald
    I've got a special memorial coin from that occasion from some relatives who attended it.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Would you say the terrorist in Westminster was an Islamist or a Brexiteer?
    I'd say that he or she is/was a criminal. Isn't that enough for now?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    OUT said:

    Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
    To be fair, those who did not want the suspension was of the opinion that such an act would mean bowing to terrorism. You can always read these acts in two ways.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
    The Moonstone was arguably the first detective story. Also unusual in having three main narrators who pass the baton.

    And then there's Armadale....
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    OUT said:

    Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
    There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    The love story was far better in Shogun.

    It was so long I just didn't care in the end.

    Noble House's sense of time and place was superb: colonial Hong Kong before it got safe, clean and air conditioned; the cold war; and the unbridgeable divide between the westerners and the Chinese. Great stuff.

  • ITV reporting from one hospital which has 8 casualties but also said there are a further 33 at another hospital
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.

    I retead the Woman in White quite recently. It's amazing how modern it feels. Definitely not strait-laced Victorian. Agree on the Moonstone, too; a brilliant read.

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    It was so long I just didn't care in the end.

    Noble House's sense of time and place was superb: colonial Hong Kong before it got safe, clean and air conditioned; the cold war; and the unbridgeable divide between the westerners and the Chinese. Great stuff.

    Yes. Most of the plot lines were good, but Casey and Linc and Ian did not quite work and Quillan Gornt was an unmitigated ass.

    Moving on from there Gai-Jin was soporific. A great book for sleepless nights. As an insominia cure it has no equal. :)
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    The Moonstone was arguably the first detective story. Also unusual in having three main narrators who pass the baton.

    And then there's Armadale....
    I will see if it has a kindle version. Thank you :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scotland Yard: 5 fatalities, 40 injured.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    5 dead, including terrorist
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited March 2017
    Y0kel said:

    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.

    Twenty armed officers around that unarmed officer. The question is whether that one unarmed officer thought that today would be the day that the attack came. And what he or she was trained to think.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    AndyJS said:

    Scotland Yard: 5 fatalities, 40 injured.

    Death toll gradually creeping up sadly...
  • Chief slapped down unnecessary reporting
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    Police confirm they believe they know identity of terrorist.

    BBC website has footage of car on the bridge and woman falling into river.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,341

    There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
    There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    I will see if it has a kindle version. Thank you :)
    Given how far out of copyright it is, there should be plenty of options!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The Woman In White is superior to The Moonstone.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Y0kel said:

    So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.

    It's a bit odd that he wasn't armed when all the others were. Maybe the attacker deliberately targeted him for that reason.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
    And your mistake is to assume that I actually relied on the Express report - rather than looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    AndyJS said:

    It's a bit odd that he wasn't armed when all the others were. Maybe the attacker deliberately targeted him for that reason.
    We don't know that all the others were - just that some of them were.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    AndyJS said:

    It's a bit odd that he wasn't armed when all the others were. Maybe the attacker deliberately targeted him for that reason.
    Some Police decide not to carry firearms. It's not compulsory.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,341

    And your mistake is to assume that I actually relied on the Express report - rather than looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.
    'looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.'

    Lol.

    Haud back on the pompous pills, chief.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    Aren't we meant to carry on as if nothing has happened to show how tough we are and they will never beat us?

    I think that's bullshit and make Her Maj right btw

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/844668155846955009
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    'looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.'

    Lol.

    Haud back on the pompous pills, chief.
    Ah - reverting to personal attack. Classy.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    isam said:

    Aren't we meant to carry on as if nothing has happened to show how tough we are and they will never beat us?

    I think that's bullshit and make Her Maj right btw

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/844668155846955009

    Yes now is not the time for Scotland Yard to get out the Brasso or tidy up their desks.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    TOPPING said:

    Yes now is not the time for Scotland Yard to get out the Brasso or tidy up their desks.
    Absolutely the right decision. We need the Met to focus on the investigation not on a Royal visit that can happen at any time.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Thank you for the literature discussion. I preferred it greatly over speculating on the speculation of this depressingly grim day.

    Night all
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited March 2017
    551 valid votes in Labour selection for Gorton

    Counting is underway by around an hour
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    isam said:

    Aren't we meant to carry on as if nothing has happened to show how tough we are and they will never beat us?

    I think that's bullshit and make Her Maj right btw

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/844668155846955009

    Of course we carry on.

    Do we let every sexually repressed stroker get in the way of what we want to do?

    Religion breeds them.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Chief slapped down unnecessary reporting

    Take his advice then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited March 2017
    Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'

    Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/22/english-state-primary-schools-ethnically-segregated-white-british-children
  • Yorkcity said:

    Take his advice then.
    That is unnecessary - I did not name the suspect
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    chestnut said:

    Of course we carry on.

    Do we let every sexually repressed stroker get in the way of what we want to do?

    Religion breeds them.
    But we're not carrying on as usual are we? Else the Queen would be unveiling this plaque or whatever it is.

    As I say I make her right
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    isam said:

    But we're not carrying on as usual are we? Else the Queen would be unveiling this plaque or whatever it is.

    As I say I make her right
    Suspect HM doesn't want to be a distraction during this critical period.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    That is unnecessary - I did not name the suspect
    Never said you did but you are critical of public figures and you have no idea how they are been briefed or what is going on behind the scenes.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited March 2017
    Pic from Gorton Labour selection meeting

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jKUQSXgAMjKSD.jpg:large
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    RobD said:

    Suspect HM doesn't want to be a distraction during this critical period.
    Of course she doesn't. And quite right too.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'

    Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/22/english-state-primary-schools-ethnically-segregated-white-british-children

    Not just schools but whole area's of our cities/towns,I said this before that I can see my city heading like belfast in segregation.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Pic from Gorton Labour selection meeting

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jKUQSXgAMjKSD.jpg:large

    Doesn't look like a room of 500+ people. I have no idea how Labour operates these things - are postal/proxy votes permitted?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited March 2017
    Yorkcity said:

    Never said you did but you are critical of public figures and you have no idea how they are been briefed or what is going on behind the scenes.
    I hope you are not saying that I cannot be critical of public figures when I hear nothing else from most on here
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    isam said:

    But we're not carrying on as usual are we? Else the Queen would be unveiling this plaque or whatever it is.

    As I say I make her right
    HMQ should adopt the general six letter motto of London towards attackers over the years - "Fuck 'em"
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Pic from Gorton Labour selection meeting

    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jKUQSXgAMjKSD.jpg:large

    What's going on? Men and women sat on the same side of the room.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    For by-election selections, postals are not used because of the short timetable. Proxy yes, but being Gorton, they didn't allow them.

    We don't see how many lines there are at the back outside the picture frame. And if some stayed outside and entered just to vote....because I suppose many already decided who to vote regardless of speeches.

    Doesn't look like a room of 500+ people. I have no idea how Labour operates these things - are postal/proxy votes permitted?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Doesn't look like a room of 500+ people. I have no idea how Labour operates these things - are postal/proxy votes permitted?
    Unless things have changed, you have to be there to get a vote.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.

    Can't make it more clear than that.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    I hope you are not saying that I cannot be critical of public figures when I hear nothing else from most on here
    In this scenario you should wait before passing your judgement.You are no expert because you watch sky news all day.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Not just schools but whole area's of our cities/towns,I said this before that I can see my city heading like belfast in segregation.
    But we have seen that for as long as people can remember. Communities have always grown up in particular parts of our towns and cities. People move to be near their families/friends and so this 'segregation' grows naturally.

    What we cannot permit is for this to lead to no-go areas for our public services. The police and social services (to name but two) have to have equal access to all of these communities and for their services to be respected.

    We cannot permit is for 'community relations' to be a reason for not upholding the rule of law or the basic standards of human decency.
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