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Let's try and avoid cheap political points on this one....0
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Hope these are the only two fatalities.0
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Some unfortunate similarities to the attack on the Canadian Parliament in 2014 where a soldier was killed and several injured0
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And defamatory comments too.Scrapheap_as_was said:Let's try and avoid cheap political points on this one....
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Mr. Eagles, indeed. Sadly, the description of injuries on the bridge as 'catastrophic' does suggest there might be more.0
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I know a few people who work in Parliament, they said it would be amazing if it was only two fatalities.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, indeed. Sadly, the description of injuries on the bridge as 'catastrophic' does suggest there might be more.
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"Some time"?
Are we talking Twitter time (2mins = an age) or normal time?0 -
I was just thinking about that...I don't remember if who the attacker was, motive etc was widely reported afterward.HYUFD said:Some unfortunate similarities to the attack on the Canadian Parliament in 2014 where a soldier was killed and several injured
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Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:0 -
Mr. Eagles, alas.
The emergency services deserve enormous credit for the swiftness of their response. That may very well make a difference.0 -
I hope not, he's a potential source of valuable intelligence.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:0 -
No. Keep the fucker from his virgins.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:0 -
Al Blackman has done about 3 years for thatFrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:0 -
In tribute to Martin McGuiness perhaps in the kneecap area?TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope not, he's a potential source of valuable intelligence.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:0 -
Mr. Urquhart, any perpetrator might have useful intelligence.
We need a return to common law, away from cultural sensitivities and Sharia nonsense. That also means everyone is treated equally under the law. Even reprehensible men have certain rights, much as it might stick in the craw. That is, ultimately, the difference between civilisation and barbarity.
[That said, if any perpetrator were to develop kidney stones, I would not necessarily drown in tears].0 -
sheesh
three hours stuck in the London Eye
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Quite. You seem to have a great deal more sense than this flower:TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope not, he's a potential source of valuable intelligence.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:
https://twitter.com/EmmaWasp1/status/844605332445958144
I don't look at twitter too much these days, other than accounts of fairly mainstream journos. That sort of tweet reminds me why.0 -
On a £/min basis they got a bargain...I bet there are a few dying for a piss though.Alanbrooke said:sheesh
three hours stuck in the London Eye
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A Canadian Libyan Muslim convert apparentlyFrancisUrquhart said:
I was just thinking about that...I don't remember if who the attacker was, motive etc was widely reported afterward.HYUFD said:Some unfortunate similarities to the attack on the Canadian Parliament in 2014 where a soldier was killed and several injured
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_shootings_at_Parliament_Hill,_Ottawa0 -
Mr. Anorak, there's lots of wonderful little nuggets of information and insight on Twitter. And lots of batshit insane maniacs.0
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you wouldnt want to be a middle aged man who had had a couple of pints at lunchtimeFrancisUrquhart said:
On a £/min basis they got a bargain...I bet there are a few dying for a piss though.Alanbrooke said:sheesh
three hours stuck in the London Eye
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Does seem unnecessary. Fully understand that they would want to keep it closed - but surely a phased evacuation could have been facilitated.Alanbrooke said:sheesh
three hours stuck in the London Eye
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Ouch.Alanbrooke said:sheesh
three hours stuck in the London Eye
poor sods
On 21/7 I was there with Mum. I'd noticed that they'd stoped loading new passengers on and then saw the area flooded with armed police and dogs. Never been so fearful as when they let us off and all phone signals were down...0 -
Phew, so glad to see the new thread did not involve betting odds…0
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I'm a true Englishman, I believe in keeping calm and keep buggering on.Anorak said:
Quite. You seem to have a great deal more sense than this flower:TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope not, he's a potential source of valuable intelligence.FrancisUrquhart said:
Can't they have a mishap with the safety on their weapons?Anorak said:
https://twitter.com/EmmaWasp1/status/844605332445958144
I don't look at twitter too much these days, other than accounts of fairly mainstream journos. That sort of tweet reminds me why.
As a true Englishman, I also believe in the rule of law.0 -
4 dead inc attacker
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Four dead now, including the attacker.
Twenty injured.0 -
Now 4 deaths.0
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The attacker is dead.0
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Shame.tlg86 said:The attacker is dead.
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Four now dead, although one of those was the attacker.
At least 20 people injured.
Thought to be one attacker.0 -
Nobody has claimed this one yet it seems, when even lone wolf ones it seems groups are usually keen.0
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Mr. kle4, they can take a few hours to claim responsibility. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while yet, or even happens tomorrow.0
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Even if they have, I am quite happy for that to be kept from the public for now. We don't have to buy into their media plans.kle4 said:Nobody has claimed this one yet it seems, when even lone wolf ones it seems groups are usually keen.
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the hint from the plod was they are currently knocking doors down.-1
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Indeed, rolling news and Twitter does not indicate that everything must happen, and everyone must respond within minutes of an incident, or it's "strange".Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, they can take a few hours to claim responsibility. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while yet, or even happens tomorrow.
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I doubt they're in "Avon lady" mode......FrancisUrquhart said:the hint from the plod was they are currently knocking doors down.
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Not just London.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.0 -
Especially when it is a lone wolf, as the "responsible" groups need to wait till the media tell them who the attacker was "inspired" by.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, they can take a few hours to claim responsibility. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while yet, or even happens tomorrow.
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There is nothing. We cannot identify everyone who might be capable of such things. We cannot prevent someone using their own vehicle as a weapon. That is what makes it scary.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
It is far easier to deal with a conspiracy than it is with an individual.0 -
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.0 -
It's just been a surprise that it too so long. Let's just hope it doesn't embolden more inadequates to think they can have a go.SeanT said:
Yes, impossible to defend. Which, as you say, makes it worse.oxfordsimon said:
There is nothing. We cannot identify everyone who might be capable of such things. We cannot prevent someone using their own vehicle as a weapon. That is what makes it scary.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
It is far easier to deal with a conspiracy than it is with an individual.0 -
IRA terrorism subsided, and I hope ISIS will too soon. What it will be replaced with remains to be seen. I look forward to the day we are on a "Low" threat level.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.0 -
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.0 -
Hear hear.oxfordsimon said:
Even if they have, I am quite happy for that to be kept from the public for now. We don't have to buy into their media plans.kle4 said:Nobody has claimed this one yet it seems, when even lone wolf ones it seems groups are usually keen.
In reply to earlier points:
- The Parliamentary estate is huge, rambling and full of obscure rooms, cupboards, etc. - I don't think I ever saw it all in 13 years. So it's appropriate for the police to want to do a thorough search, and it would be reasonable to suspend proceedings this week while that's carried out, if there is any reason to think that someone might have got in. If they're confident that they didn't, apart from the dead man, then IMO business should resume.
- It ought not to have been possible for the attacker to enter the main hall with a knife and a review of security is needed if that happened. Essentially you need to go through airport-style security unless you actually work there yourself.
I concur with everything that's been said about the swift reactions and about Ellwood's actions - he should be rightly proud of himself and I hope he isn't haunted by the experience. There must be individual officers whose names we don't know who also deserve special praise when the dust has settled. It's very easy for people in apparently routine security jobs to be slow to react, and it's wonderful when they rise to the occasion.0 -
Mr. D, I fear that's overly optimistic.
Irish terrorism had a discernible political objective that could be, if not achieved wholly, sought partially through peaceful means. Islamic terrorism seems to have no comparable objective beyond, ultimately, establishing a caliphate and imposing Sharia generally.
Incidentally, I think it's fair enough neither Khan nor May have commented yet, as the situation appears to be ongoing.0 -
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.0 -
Khan has issued a statement - expressing sorrow for those affecting and praising the efforts of the security and emergency services.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, I fear that's overly optimistic.
Irish terrorism had a discernible political objective that could be, if not achieved wholly, sought partially through peaceful means. Islamic terrorism seems to have no comparable objective beyond, ultimately, establishing a caliphate and imposing Sharia generally.
Incidentally, I think it's fair enough neither Khan nor May have commented yet, as the situation appears to be ongoing.0 -
Bleak times indeed.0
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I am not sure what you want me to say.HurstLlama said:
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.0 -
Mr. Simon, ah, I'd missed that.
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They could also be quite an effective bomb delivery system for fellas who don't fancy meeting the virgins just yet.SeanT said:
Plus self driving cars. These attacks are actually quite a compelling argument for them.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.0 -
That Tory mp who performed cpr is an absolute legend
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I travel through the Asian quarter in birmingham to and from work every day.HurstLlama said:
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.
ir's quite noticeable that the ladies whose faces you see are mostly over fifty, all the younger ones screen their faces and wear black. This is a community which is de-integrating and sees itself as a group apart.how the hell this is going to change this is beyond me.0 -
Wow, absolutely horrible scenes from London. Hopefully they got some information out of the savage before he died.0
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La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
Much is made of the security measures to get in, but after the incident it was reported (perhaps wrongly) that bystanders were bundled inside for safety. If this is true then it seems unlikely they were frisked first. If.NickPalmer said:
Hear hear.oxfordsimon said:
Even if they have, I am quite happy for that to be kept from the public for now. We don't have to buy into their media plans.kle4 said:Nobody has claimed this one yet it seems, when even lone wolf ones it seems groups are usually keen.
In reply to earlier points:
- The Parliamentary estate is huge, rambling and full of obscure rooms, cupboards, etc. - I don't think I ever saw it all in 13 years. So it's appropriate for the police to want to do a thorough search, and it would be reasonable to suspend proceedings this week while that's carried out, if there is any reason to think that someone might have got in. If they're confident that they didn't, apart from the dead man, then IMO business should resume.
- It ought not to have been possible for the attacker to enter the main hall with a knife and a review of security is needed if that happened. Essentially you need to go through airport-style security unless you actually work there yourself.
I concur with everything that's been said about the swift reactions and about Ellwood's actions - he should be rightly proud of himself and I hope he isn't haunted by the experience. There must be individual officers whose names we don't know who also deserve special praise when the dust has settled. It's very easy for people in apparently routine security jobs to be slow to react, and it's wonderful when they rise to the occasion.0 -
Mr. T, until they can be hacked into. Then multiple vehicles could be driven into a crowd at once.0
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How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
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Or even just assisted driving technology that can override a malicious driver. The Berlin attack would have been worse if the truck didn't have automatic brakingSeanT said:
Plus self driving cars. These attacks are actually quite a compelling argument for them.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.0 -
Is that true?TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/844610940188475392
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Does seem incredible, though its been known to happen. I guess random person sees footage and thinks they recognise the attacker, and things run from there. If they have a previous record its probably fairly quick to check up on.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
There are several reports - afaik it's based on the purported similarity between the body on the street and previous photos of Mr Brooks.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
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There were photos circulating of the attacker being treated. He was probably recognised.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
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Several sources on Twitter suggesting identity of terrorist.
A known threat if correct.0 -
Euro News
#WestminsterAttack: Attacker "zigzagged" through street https://t.co/IDjeuEXsB9 https://t.co/mm97TT5VZW
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I guess if the attacker had been using their own vehicle then working out his identity could be quite straightforward. Time will tell.0
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Wasn't that the bloke who heckled John Reid when he was HS?kle4 said:
Does seem incredible, though its been known to happen. I guess random person sees footage and thinks they recognise the attacker, and things run from there. If they have a previous record its probably fairly quick to check up on.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
@ThreeQuidder
If it is the same guy, he had a 2 year sentence after a trial in Jan 2016.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
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Yep - amongst other thingsHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Wasn't that the bloke who heckled John Reid when he was HS?kle4 said:
Does seem incredible, though its been known to happen. I guess random person sees footage and thinks they recognise the attacker, and things run from there. If they have a previous record its probably fairly quick to check up on.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
It never will, Mr. Brooke, until the powers that be actually admit there is a problem. All the time we/they pussyfoot around the issue then it will get worse.Alanbrooke said:
I travel through the Asian quarter in birmingham to and from work every day.HurstLlama said:
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.
ir's quite noticeable that the ladies whose faces you see are mostly over fifty, all the younger ones screen their faces and wear black. This is a community which is de-integrating and sees itself as a group apart.how the hell this is going to change this is beyond me.0 -
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If true then May has a serious political problem.dr_spyn said:@ThreeQuidder
If it is the same guy, he had a 2 year sentence after a trial in Jan 2016.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
Although I suppose it would have been on Gove's watch?0 -
I'm sceptical of recognition based on blurred television images, especially as many reports will just be parroting whatever the last report said.kle4 said:
Does seem incredible, though its been known to happen. I guess random person sees footage and thinks they recognise the attacker, and things run from there. If they have a previous record its probably fairly quick to check up on.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
It won't change because there is no political will to ensure that. Try it, and a good proportion of the political establishment will accuse you of being a racist and a fascist. Moral cowardice does not even begin to describe appeasement.Alanbrooke said:
I travel through the Asian quarter in birmingham to and from work every day.HurstLlama said:
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.
ir's quite noticeable that the ladies whose faces you see are mostly over fifty, all the younger ones screen their faces and wear black. This is a community which is de-integrating and sees itself as a group apart.how the hell this is going to change this is beyond me.0 -
williamglenn said:
If true then May has a serious political problem.</blockquotedr_spyn said:@ThreeQuidder
If it is the same guy, he had a 2 year sentence after a trial in Jan 2016.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
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Agreed, such a method will not always identify the correct person, but I imagine that's how these very quick reports begin.DecrepitJohnL said:
I'm sceptical of recognition based on blurred television images, especially as many reports will just be parroting whatever the last report said.kle4 said:
Does seem incredible, though its been known to happen. I guess random person sees footage and thinks they recognise the attacker, and things run from there. If they have a previous record its probably fairly quick to check up on.TwistedFireStopper said:
How the hell does that come out so quiclyk, if it is actually true?ThreeQuidder said:La Stampa is reporting that the dead terrorist is Abu Izzadeen, aka Trevor Brooks.
https://twitter.com/LaStampa/status/8446109401884753920 -
Just got very odd deja vu over certain things. Hmm. Mr. Glenn's post below and a couple of tweets on my Politics list.
.... quite an odd feeling. (I know deja vu always is, but still).
I hope there isn't a worse attack in the next few days.
Edited extra bit: whilst I'm being self-indulgent (I hope you don't mind), I once had deja vu solidly for about 30 minutes. It was bloody weird, and I was rather relieved when it stopped.0 -
AbsolutelyHurstLlama said:
It never will, Mr. Brooke, until the powers that be actually admit there is a problem. All the time we/they pussyfoot around the issue then it will get worse.Alanbrooke said:
I travel through the Asian quarter in birmingham to and from work every day.HurstLlama said:
Don't stop there, Mr. Simon, please follow the logic all the way.oxfordsimon said:
That sort of change can only come from within the communities where such thinking currently exists. It is not something that can be imposed. The solution rests with moderates within those communities to bring about a reformation of sorts.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
I don't see it happening soon - if at all.
ir's quite noticeable that the ladies whose faces you see are mostly over fifty, all the younger ones screen their faces and wear black. This is a community which is de-integrating and sees itself as a group apart.how the hell this is going to change this is beyond me.
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Until the bad guys manage to hack into the systems and cause all cars to swerve sharply to the right ...SeanT said:
Plus self driving cars. These attacks are actually quite a compelling argument for them.Animal_pb said:
The fact that the enemy is having to resort to this kind of attack - car vs pedestrian, about the softest target possible - tells us the security services are winning. The only thing that can prevent these attacks long term is a cultural change that places this kind of suicide-bombing-by-car as beyond the pale evil, not an entry ticket to paradise.murali_s said:
Indeed it is Sean. Just wonder what if anything we can do to prevent such attacks.SeanT said:Horrible. Just horrible.
Catastrophic injuries.
Sad day for London.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-model-s-chinese-hack-remote-control-brakes0 -
Seems a bit of a change in MO for Brooksy if it was him. If it is, something has changed,
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Trevor Brooks does seem to have quite a high profile.0
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Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?0
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You are aware that serving a full sentence in the UK is close to impossible?williamglenn said:
If true then May has a serious political problem.dr_spyn said:@ThreeQuidder
If it is the same guy, he had a 2 year sentence after a trial in Jan 2016.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
Although I suppose it would have been on Gove's watch?
He would have been out in 12 months, minus time in prison awaiting trial...0 -
french press stating 2 of the 3 injured schoolkids in a bad way0
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I hope it wasn't the person being named in various places, because he should have been under surveillance.0
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This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.0
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It must drive the likes of Sky News and the BBC nuts that posters on twitter can post what they want, like naming the attacker, and they have to be far more circumspect.0
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Not good enough really.tlg86 said:This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.
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And how do you think that surveillance would have stopped someone getting into their own car and going for a drive? How could it have worked out his intentions on this particular occasion?AndyJS said:I hope it wasn't the person being named in various places, because he should have been under surveillance.
Unless someone is under house arrest, they will be allowed a certain amount of freedom of movement around their home city.
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He didn't stab the police officers with his car.oxfordsimon said:
And how do you think that surveillance would have stopped someone getting into their own car and going for a drive? How could it have worked out his intentions on this particular occasion?AndyJS said:I hope it wasn't the person being named in various places, because he should have been under surveillance.
Unless someone is under house arrest, they will be allowed a certain amount of freedom of movement around their home city.
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Utter rubbish.tlg86 said:This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.
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