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Some might call it the car of a no frills winnerOldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3107295/ngolo-kante-chelsea-car-mini/
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I cannot confirm that Mrs JackW learnt to drive with a gentleman walking in front with a red flag .....OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
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?Pulpstar said:
Alistair invests in Vanguard, so this isn't HIS pension pot he is talking about, more the great British unsophisticated investor in total.TOPPING said:
If your pension pot hasn't been in balanced global equities then you have the wrong provider 'coz, in no particular order:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Low interest rates = low investment costs = low interest payments = higher profits = higher dividend payouts = lower discount rates = higher share prices.
Vanguard offers lots of equity free and equity light products, so that doesn't really follow. Also, aftertiming and hindsight are wonderful things, but there's times when being "100% in balanced global equities" can leave you looking pretty silly.0 -
You can tell she isn't of high class otherwise she would have had her servant learn for her.JackW said:
I cannot confirm that Mrs JackW learnt to drive with a gentleman walking in front with a red flag .....OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it. 0 -
In mathematics you should generally try and simplify your equations and your equation can be greatly simplified:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Politicians want to be elected = bribe key voting demographic0 -
My one car was a Morris Traveler in the early 70s. I ran it for ages with a dud battery, using the hand crank to start it. Once I mended its electrics by the side of the road halfway to Bristol from Nottingham. The plus side was that it was eminently easy to work on, but I spent far too much time in a losing battle to mend its rotting British Steel. It was only about six years old.OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
I find walking and cycling far easier to manage.0 -
Definitely few frills on the car. Did have heater, though.isam said:
Some might call it the car of a no frills winnerOldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3107295/ngolo-kante-chelsea-car-mini/
My friend and I could lift it up to put it on a support so we could change a wheel.0 -
That's a great article.Richard_Nabavi said:
House prices historically have been a lot more volatile than people think - it has not been the case in recent decades that they have automatically been a good investment.Pong said:I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, put a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"
http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/2017/02/21/comment/chris-dillow/housing-risk-Hpk00ii6QyvUCrS3rKVkJL/article.html0 -
Isn't this the most trivial point ever?HYUFD said:
Maybe but Trump still managed to find one to put in his office unlike his predecessorJosiasJessop said:
Wasn't the story about the bust more complex than that (something like there were two; one permanent and one on loan) ?HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Did anybody see the Panorama on the case of Sgt Blackman on Wednesday?0
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What makes you think one didn't ?!?RobD said:
You can tell she isn't of high class otherwise she would have had her servant learn for her.JackW said:
I cannot confirm that Mrs JackW learnt to drive with a gentleman walking in front with a red flag .....OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.0 -
Funny you should say that, I find driving much easier to manage than walking or cycling!Toms said:
My one car was a Morris Traveler in the early 70s. I ran it for ages with a dud battery, using the hand crank to start it. Once I mended its electrics by the side of the road halfway to Bristol from Nottingham. The plus side was that it was eminently easy to work on, but I spent far too much time in a losing battle to mend its rotting British Steel. It was only about six years old.OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
I find walking and cycling far easier to manage.
My enduring memory of the early mini with its then revolutionary front wheel drive was the way my friend would throw his into a corner at around 45 - 50 mph and emerge unscathed, whereas with anything else one would have finished upside down in a ditch.0 -
Feeling silly, and about as far off topic as I can imagine being, here's a rerun of the Troll pix:
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Labour write letter about Osborne to the Cabinet Office committee in charge of reviewing jobs taken up by former ministers - may go to PM for review:
https://order-order.com/2017/03/17/labour-report-osborne-to-cabinet-office/0 -
Osborne, an ‘editor of substance’. What substance, crystal meth?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/17/george-osborne-editor-substance-london-evening-standard0 -
I see Trump Merkel meeting went well....
HANDSHAKE...HANDSHAKE....COME HANDSHAKE FOR THE CAMERA....0 -
Pension near maturity that are principally invested in government bonds? Really?Richard_Nabavi said:
Pension pots have been doing quite well, actually, so that doesn't work. Furthermore the triple lock benefits only very poor pensioners to any significant degree - those who are wholly or mainly dependent on state pensions.Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Having said that, it's served its purpose now, and should not be renewed in the next parliament, IMO. Currently I believe only the Labour Party is committed to keeping it.0 -
A newspaper magnate surely wants their paper to be cripplingly addictive?nunu said:Osborne, an ‘editor of substance’. What substance, crystal meth?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/17/george-osborne-editor-substance-london-evening-standard
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I'm 80% in stocks, 20% in government bonds.Ishmael_Z said:
?Pulpstar said:
Alistair invests in Vanguard, so this isn't HIS pension pot he is talking about, more the great British unsophisticated investor in total.TOPPING said:
If your pension pot hasn't been in balanced global equities then you have the wrong provider 'coz, in no particular order:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Low interest rates = low investment costs = low interest payments = higher profits = higher dividend payouts = lower discount rates = higher share prices.
Vanguard offers lots of equity free and equity light products, so that doesn't really follow. Also, aftertiming and hindsight are wonderful things, but there's times when being "100% in balanced global equities" can leave you looking pretty silly.
But people in their 60s will have their funds mostly in bonds. Which are stagnant as all fuck and have been for years.0 -
Heh. I found that walking & cycling got easier and more relaxing the more I did them.peter_from_putney said:
Funny you should say that, I find driving much easier to manage than walking or cycling!Toms said:
My one car was a Morris Traveler in the early 70s. I ran it for ages with a dud battery, using the hand crank to start it. Once I mended its electrics by the side of the road halfway to Bristol from Nottingham. The plus side was that it was eminently easy to work on, but I spent far too much time in a losing battle to mend its rotting British Steel. It was only about six years old.OldKingCole said:
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.
I find walking and cycling far easier to manage.
My enduring memory of the early mini with its then revolutionary front wheel drive was the way my friend would throw his into a corner at around 45 - 50 mph and emerge unscathed, whereas with anything else one would have finished upside down in a ditch.
A flashback:
Being driven wildly up and down hills around Bristol by my dear Jewish friend in a rattly Moskvich with him leaning intently forward over the steering wheel like a fierce Cossack. I feared, among other things brake failure. But it did have a toolkit.0 -
So being a newspaper editor only takes two hours a week?0
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With the rise of AI....only a matter of time until it is a zero hour contract job.Dadge said:So being a newspaper editor only takes two hours a week?
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Trump to Merkel: We were both wiretapped under Obama
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-393108010 -
"At least we have something in common, perhaps."Ishmael_Z said:Trump to Merkel: We were both wiretapped under Obama
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39310801
Crickey...sounds like they are really hitting it off.
I have to say I am surprised there wasn't more reporting on the fact the German's spied on people like BBC journos.0 -
My point is that it is unfair, arrogant and frankly silly to dismiss average investors as "unsophisticated" for not wanting to be all in equities. I appreciate it wasn't you saying that.Alistair said:
I'm 80% in stocks, 20% in government bonds.Ishmael_Z said:
?Pulpstar said:
Alistair invests in Vanguard, so this isn't HIS pension pot he is talking about, more the great British unsophisticated investor in total.TOPPING said:
If your pension pot hasn't been in balanced global equities then you have the wrong provider 'coz, in no particular order:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Low interest rates = low investment costs = low interest payments = higher profits = higher dividend payouts = lower discount rates = higher share prices.
Vanguard offers lots of equity free and equity light products, so that doesn't really follow. Also, aftertiming and hindsight are wonderful things, but there's times when being "100% in balanced global equities" can leave you looking pretty silly.
But people in their 60s will have their funds mostly in bonds. Which are stagnant as all fuck and have been for years.0 -
Of course one possible reaction to a spying service indignantly denying that it spied on X Y or Z is "well why the feck not, what do you think you are paid to do?" Trump is not reporting things which come as a shock and a surprise to him, merely disregarding the convention on talking about this stuff.FrancisUrquhart said:
"At least we have something in common, perhaps."Ishmael_Z said:Trump to Merkel: We were both wiretapped under Obama
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39310801
Crickey...sounds like they are really hitting it off.
I have to say I am surprised there wasn't more reporting on the fact the German's spied on people like BBC journos.0 -
Surely a work of art to grace @malcomg's drawing room in a upcoming sale at Lyon & Turnbull in Edinburgh ....
http://auctions.lyonandturnbull.com/auction-lot-detail/JAMES-ALICK-RIDDEL-(SCOTTISH-1857-1928)-THE-TURNIP-HARVEST-3/487++++++153+/++2155710 -
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Their toddler, a girl, is now reportedly looked after by her 28-year-old grandmother while the teenage mother attends school.
28 year old grand mother?!!!!!
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I think HYUFD is saying people won't be best impressed if freedom of movement is left unchecked, which is supported by the finding in that poll.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Chris Dillow is excellent.Pong said:
That's a great article.Richard_Nabavi said:
House prices historically have been a lot more volatile than people think - it has not been the case in recent decades that they have automatically been a good investment.Pong said:I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, put a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"
http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/2017/02/21/comment/chris-dillow/housing-risk-Hpk00ii6QyvUCrS3rKVkJL/article.html
I always found it strange that a committed Marxist writes for the Investors Chronicle!
But aside from not straying into political point-making, his output there is actually very similar in tone and philosophy to his personal blog, http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/
There are economics folk whose writing differs markedly between mediums - Paul Krugman's NYT polemical columns are not only miles apart in tone from his more measured textbooks, but often flatly contradict each other, with "finely balanced arguments" on both sides of an issue being reduced to "as any fule can see" when blogger-mode is engaged.
Dillow isn't one of them.
Somewhere or another (possibly TIm Worstall's blog) I've seen him give a spirited defence of Marx's Labour Theory of Value as a serious, practical tool for economic analysis, while explaining why his political philosophy was compatible (indeed, he thought useful) with his apparently capitalist day-job.0 -
Who cares? There was no Brexit manifesto so Brexit can mean anything the government wants it to.RobD said:
I think HYUFD is saying people won't be best impressed if freedom of movement is left unchecked, which is supported by the finding in that poll.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Governments tend to care what people want.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html
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Most people in my family are grandparents between 30 and 35, so I don't regard 28 as particularly remarkable - though it's obviously sad. My nan was a great-grandma by her 40s.nunu said:Their toddler, a girl, is now reportedly looked after by her 28-year-old grandmother while the teenage mother attends school.
28 year old grand mother?!!!!!
I haven't managed to sprog yet. I'm obviously a late-comer.0 -
Are you a rabbit?MyBurningEars said:
Most people in my family are grandparents between 30 and 35, so I don't regard 28 as particularly remarkable - though it's obviously sad. My nan was a great-grandma by her 40s.nunu said:Their toddler, a girl, is now reportedly looked after by her 28-year-old grandmother while the teenage mother attends school.
28 year old grand mother?!!!!!
I haven't managed to sprog yet. I'm obviously a late-comer.0 -
Rubbish. Governments are elected at GEs by 25-35% of the population.another_richard said:
Governments tend to care what people want.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
They also need to get re-elected and more people voted Leave than for any party since 1945TOPPING said:
Rubbish. Governments are elected at GEs by 25-35% of the population.another_richard said:
Governments tend to care what people want.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Non voters don't count under any system so already your figure is dishonest. Use Honest figures.TOPPING said:
Rubbish. Governments are elected at GEs by 25-35% of the population.another_richard said:
Governments tend to care what people want.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Surely even you get the point.Philip_Thompson said:
Non voters don't count under any system so already your figure is dishonest. Use Honest figures.TOPPING said:
Rubbish. Governments are elected at GEs by 25-35% of the population.another_richard said:
Governments tend to care what people want.TOPPING said:
Who cares what they want? Nothing to do with what Brexit will look like.HYUFD said:
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
Is your tongue going to be permanently blocked up GO's back entrance ?is there something that GO could do to flip you to at least critiquing him in a rational way?Pulpstar said:
Factually, and without bias.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
A problem for the Standard is that it will be difficult to do their usual "we will ponder and weigh up" thing about any elections in London - the Mayoral issue is settled for a while, butg borough elections are coming. Ozzy's colleeagues will jump on him if the paper is anything less than slavishly supportive of the Tories. But being slavishly Tory in inner London (which is where most people pick it up) is not going to go down well with readers.williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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Oh how the Remoaners cheered Merkel for 'wisely biding her time' (truth, Trump didn't return her calls) while May 'blundered' in Washington:
The moment passed and its embarrassment washed over the chancellor’s face. This was a man who, after all, held hands with Theresa May – the messenger of Brexit. Merkel, the embodiment of European unity, could not even get a perfunctory shake.....
Trump smiled broadly; Merkel did not. She remained stony-faced to that and his jibes about trade and defence.
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Indyref2:
Well, I’m glad that’s over and we can all get on with our lives, undisturbed by the prospect of a two-year campaign leading to indyRef2.
Launched on Monday, sunk on Thursday – a mercifully short voyage.
Nicola Sturgeon’s unlikely success in allowing a Tory Prime Minister to speak for the great Scottish majority – who did not want to kick off another referendum, 30 months after the last one – is unlikely to be looked back on as her finest hour.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/brian-wilson-thank-goodness-the-four-day-war-is-over-1-4394217/amp
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Even by your standrads this is a low, a Tory exile down to quoting this madman.CarlottaVance said:Indyref2:
Well, I’m glad that’s over and we can all get on with our lives, undisturbed by the prospect of a two-year campaign leading to indyRef2.
Launched on Monday, sunk on Thursday – a mercifully short voyage.
Nicola Sturgeon’s unlikely success in allowing a Tory Prime Minister to speak for the great Scottish majority – who did not want to kick off another referendum, 30 months after the last one – is unlikely to be looked back on as her finest hour.
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What is it at the moment? A candid friend? I've always thought that it's on the right. It is strange in a way that the only London paper is on the right. If newspapers weren't in terminal decline there might be a gap in the market.NickPalmer said:
A problem for the Standard is that it will be difficult to do their usual "we will ponder and weigh up" thing about any elections in London - the Mayoral issue is settled for a while, butg borough elections are coming. Ozzy's colleeagues will jump on him if the paper is anything less than slavishly supportive of the Tories. But being slavishly Tory in inner London (which is where most people pick it up) is not going to go down well with readers.williamglenn said:
It would be very brave for the Tories to excommunicate Osborne in parliament. He would quickly become a figure around whom centrist opposition would coalesce.Pulpstar said:Next 1922 committee meeting will be interesting. Will Osborne be invited ?
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