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  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Cyclefree said:

    And you think I couldn't do that?

    No, we think you'd get too carried away with it.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,596

    it's rather I doubt Eagles could afford the hourly rate :-)
    You're very naughty and I'm going to have to punish you.

    Anyway, in 29 minutes I shall be taking my team for some Paddy's Day drinks, paid out of my Sandown Park winnings from last weekend.

    All this gassing about when there is serious drinking to be done..... Honestly!


  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Cyclefree said:

    And you think I couldn't do that?

    *Rushes off to bathe his wrists in cold water at the thought that you could*
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    Cyclefree said:

    And you think I couldn't do that?

    Can we hear about your skeletons please?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,596
    Animal_pb said:

    No, we think you'd get too carried away with it.
    :)

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Rex, Camillus et al. seemed to quite enjoy it.

    Dictators have had a bad name, but the original office was of tremendous benefit to the Roman Republic.

    In Rome and Italy, by Livy, there's a bizarre juxtaposition between ruthless pragmatism, and the Romans fearing they'd offended the gods and appointing a dictator for the specific purpose of hammering in a nail to appease the divinities (the dictator, who was all-powerful, then immediately resigning).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    Cyclefree said:

    A number of people have suggested it. As a joke, I imagine.

    I am uncontrollable and know and speak my own mind plus I have more skeletons than cupboards to put them in. So the chances of me being chosen - even if I went for it - are about the same as the chances of me being picked for the UK Athletics team.

    If TSE ever becomes Benevolent Dictator I shall be his Consigliere and tell him what to do.

    Oooooh. Tell us about your skeletons.

    Sounds interesting ;-)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,119
    OMG she let him touch her back!!!!

    Filth
  • In the later broadcasts from the Oval Office the body language seemed strained. Merkel started to talk to Trump but he didn't engage. The press conference at 5.20pm (UK time) tonight should be interesting
  • david_kendrick1david_kendrick1 Posts: 325
    edited March 2017
    There are some obvious reasons why GO will have conflicts of interests.

    But the argument he can't properly look after the interests of his constituents is daft. Who would you prefer fighting your corner---an anonymous backbench MP, or a high-profile ex-chancellor who is now a newspaper editor?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,596

    Oooooh. Tell us about your skeletons.

    Sounds interesting ;-)
    They are. But no.

    (Still creating them......)


  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    isam said:

    But, but... what about the huuuuge differences between the two major parties at GE2015?!

    Your Oval Office announcements about the devastation a labour govt would have caused to our portfolios?! ☺
    That would have been Ed Miliband dancing to Nicola Sturgeon's tune. Sadiq Khan strikes me as much more sensible than Ed Miliband, and he's not dependent on the SNP or loony-left MPs. Definitely on the saner end of the Labour spectrum, and he's recently been saying some sensible things about protecting the City and London generally.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited March 2017
    This idea that Osborne was deliberately humiliated by May is trite.

    I hold no candle for May but Osborne had to leave the government, certainly in the short term.

    Osborne threw 100% of his weight behind Remain. He was completely loyal to Cameron and sacrificed his career for the Remain cause. He deserves credit for that. He didn't vacillate or hedge his bets, he did all he could to help Remain win.

    That inevitably led to him announcing things that put him at odds with the Tory back-benches (and many natural Tory supporters). The Emergency Budget farrago being a prime example. Osborne knew the emergency budget would never be delivered by him, but threw himself on his sword in a last-gasp bid to save the government. So if Remain was to fall, he knew he'd be going down with it.

    So as the newly installed PM May could never have kept Osborne as Chancellor in a Brexit government, not given all that had gone on in the campaign. Foreign Secretary too - despite being a job Osborne coveted - became impossible under the new circumstances. So it was either a big demotion or the back-benches. And I think Osborne would've chosen the back-benches anyway.

    I think it was inevitable that Osborne had to leave government with Cameron, rather than a straight humiliation. I also think May will reappoint him.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,692

    There are some obvious reasons why GO will have conflicts of interests.

    But the argument he can't properly look after the interests of his constituents is daft. Who would you prefer fighting your corner---an anonymous backbench MP, or a high-profile ex-chancellor who is now a newspaper editor?

    A newspaper editor in a different city, with the interests of a different city at heart. How strongly is George going to be in arguing for investment in the north now?
    If he had become editor of the MEN it might be a different story.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Fenster, May could only reappoint Osborne if he quit his new editing job, and probably most/all of his other ones too.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    Come the revolution, my ambition is to be the first one against the wall.
    After WWII the Nazi death list for occupied Britain was found - Communists, Trades Unionists, homosexuals and so forth. As Noel Coward remarked "To think, the people we'd have been seen dead with"
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,994

    Professional Nat Eck is as happy as a pig at trough in Westminster and on the LBC, laughing up his sleeve at gullible mugs like you.
    Like him I am busy working and paying my way Monica, not whining and whinging about others. Go earn a living rather than fixating on others.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,456
    Fenster said:

    I think it was inevitable that Osborne had to leave government with Cameron, rather than a straight humiliation. I also think May will reappoint him.

    Isn't the protocol for over-promoted PMs who find the job too big for them to bring in Peter Mandelson to run the government?
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Mr. Fenster, May could only reappoint Osborne if he quit his new editing job, and probably most/all of his other ones too.

    Yep. I reckon it'll be a three year hiatus. Back after GE2020.

    I don't think he can return till then. There was too much ill-feeling that needed to be fixed after the referendum campaign and the enforced absences of Osborne and Gove was key to it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,331

    After WWII the Nazi death list for occupied Britain was found - Communists, Trades Unionists, homosexuals and so forth. As Noel Coward remarked "To think, the people we'd have been seen dead with"
    Boy Scouts as well. They were regarded as a highly subversive group by the Nazis.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,994

    like SNP views on their opponents
    Waste of good stones Alan
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963

    This is how the conservative party dies.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,617
    edited March 2017
    Poor old Alastair; so angry but nowhere to go and no party to beat the nasty Tories.

    Heart of stone, etc.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,943
    As a long-time London commuter I have lived through all of London's various newspaper wars as various rivals to the Standard came and went, and prices rose and fell according to the competition. I am struck by how long it took the ES to finally arrive at a price that reflected the value of the contents.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    And the Darwin Award goes to...
  • I suspect he's thinking more of a dominatrix
    I'm not keen on Dominatrices.

    I learned the hard way that 'mower' is really bad choice as safe word.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    I'm not keen on Dominatrices.

    I learned the hard way that 'mower' is really bad choice as safe word.
    Lol.

    More! More!
  • BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    That would have been Ed Miliband dancing to Nicola Sturgeon's tune. Sadiq Khan strikes me as much more sensible than Ed Miliband, and he's not dependent on the SNP or loony-left MPs. Definitely on the saner end of the Labour spectrum, and he's recently been saying some sensible things about protecting the City and London generally.
    A government spearheaded by George Osborne and Sadiq Khan would work for me.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,994
    Bojabob said:

    A government spearheaded by George Osborne and Sadiq Khan would work for me.
    Bob, you need help
  • BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Alastair

    Good piece by Campbell on Ozzy.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    nunu said:

    Lol.

    More! More!
    Much safer to choose something like Louise
  • isamisam Posts: 41,119
    This would make sense if it were Farage talking about Islam

    'An indifference to liberal democracy is starting to form in parts of Europe."

    But it's Blair talking about 'populism'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324838/Blair-returns-launch-institute.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Pong said:

    A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963

    This is how the conservative party dies.

    I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.
  • BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    malcolmg said:

    Bob, you need help
    We all do. We could do worse than this dynamic duo.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Bojabob, I am somewhat surprised that you now consider Osborne to be half of a dynamic duo. I'd say I was flabbergasted, but the threshold for such things has been dramatically recalibrated.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,124
    Freggles said:

    Much safer to choose something like Louise
    But if followed by Mensch, the choke hold gets tighter.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Osborne appears to want to be everything all at once, keep a hand in just incase the Party bring him back into the top team, a great leader of business and a publishing titan.
    I doubt his ability to manage the workload.....ok, I think he will half arse most of it whilst waiting for May to retire. Or be retired.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    I think what most of us need to grasp is that a newspaper 'editor' doesn't actually edit the newspaper.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TOPPING said:

    Poor old Alastair; so angry but nowhere to go and no party to beat the nasty Tories.

    Heart of stone, etc.
    I was trying for a "Campbell isn't too happy either" gag, but its chances of working are at best 50/50 because I can't tell which Alastair you mean.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I think what most of us need to grasp is that a newspaper 'editor' doesn't actually edit the newspaper.

    Mostly they do! I'd guess there's a well paid deputy editor at the Standard who's going to be the one actually making sure the paper goes out on time!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Compared and contrast the job offers Osborne is getting with Gordon...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Urquhart, not a Brown fan, but I rather prefer his low key approach to post-political life [though he did disturb that to call for more Leveson tosh].
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131

    Mr. Urquhart, not a Brown fan, but I rather prefer his low key approach to post-political life [though he did disturb that to call for more Leveson tosh].

    Not sure it is through choice...we all know he wanted that big IMF job.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,500
    Does anyone fancy starting one of those government e petitions to get Osborne kicked out of parliament?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    edited March 2017
    Mr. Urquhart, true.

    Mr. 86, no. But if the petition to create 100 foot tall robot of Margaret Thatcher weren't taken down, I would've been tempted to sign it.

    Edited extra bit: I do think there are problems with Osborne having the various gigs he does, but petitions are generally overused.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    What job could Osborne go for next? Top Gear host?
  • tlg86 said:

    Does anyone fancy starting one of those government e petitions to get Osborne kicked out of parliament?

    The epetition to stop the Scots referendum is over 175,000 but the breakdown map is very interesting with the biggest support from the North East and Aberdeen where the SNP conference is being held
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,500

    What job could Osborne go for next? Top Gear host?

    He's quite the comedian, so that might suit him to be fair.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    nunu said:

    I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.
    Yup. A generation of relatively well-off young people, earning £25-£35k, who will have to perpetually rent, many house-sharing.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    All those journalists at the Evening Standard who've been patiently working their way up the ranks must be feeling a bit annoyed today.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 2017

    Yup. A generation of relatively well-off young people, earning £25-£35k, who will have to perpetually rent, many house-sharing.
    People work in "career" jobs in London for that little? I thought that was absolutely minimum grad starting salary.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    Sandpit said:

    Mostly they do! I'd guess there's a well paid deputy editor at the Standard who's going to be the one actually making sure the paper goes out on time!
    My idea of editing is to go through something with a red pen, making corrections and alterations. Good luck to Ozzy if he plans on doing that 5 mornings a week before the London Lunchtime Standard goes to press.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited March 2017

    My idea of editing is to go through something with a red pen, making corrections and alterations. Good luck to Ozzy if he plans on doing that 5 mornings a week before the London Lunchtime Standard goes to press.
    Definitely doesn't happen at the "Gaurdian"...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    I see Theresa May is considering intervening in the energy market.

    I thought that was destructive Marxism?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,077
    5 live sports extra is utterly site. Didn't give the proper result for the last
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Can;t see any problems with this....

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,124

    The epetition to stop the Scots referendum is over 175,000 but the breakdown map is very interesting with the biggest support from the North East and Aberdeen where the SNP conference is being held
    I'd imagine the 42K+ from the rUK makes up the biggest single bloc of support.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    People work in "career" jobs in London for that little? I thought that was absolutely minimum grad starting salary.
    Nah. Most grad schemes are 22-25 grand with a few extra thousand for London supplement
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Freggles said:

    I see Theresa May is considering intervening in the energy market.

    I thought that was destructive Marxism?

    Compare Ed's energy price freeze with May's desire for greater competition.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,500
    Andrew Neil said he thought is was "fake news" when he was told about Osborne becoming editor of the Evening Standard.
  • I'd imagine the 42K+ from the rUK makes up the biggest single bloc of support.
    If 42K come from rUK then by my maths 133K come from Scotland itself
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529

    London has no right to independence.

    It is the ancient capital of England (and the UK) and belongs to the country, and neither can survive without each other.
    California is more likely to secede from the US given it now has its own secessionist party than London is to leave the UK given there is no London secessionist movement
  • Trump - Merkel press conference live on Sky now
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Compare Ed's energy price freeze with May's desire for greater competition.

    Ed also wanted to break up the big energy companies to increase competition, but hey, why evaluate a policy on its merits when you can just look at who it's coming from...
  • Trump just socked it to Merkel on 2% NATO spending
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529

    Yup. A generation of relatively well-off young people, earning £25-£35k, who will have to perpetually rent, many house-sharing.
    That ratio is for singles, most people first buy as a couple unless they have parental support or a particularly well paid job, certainly beyond a 1 bed flat
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Urquhart, got to say, a road trip in crap cars featuring Osborne/Cameron, Clegg and Miliband *could* be quite entertaining.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Yup. A generation of relatively well-off young people, earning £25-£35k, who will have to perpetually rent, many house-sharing.
    At some point in their 30s, they will realise that they only earn enough to exist in London, rather than live. They will then move out to the provinces, eventually get on the housing ladder and silently (or not so silently) resent those in a better position.

    This isn't a new phenomenon, but rising rents are making it more common.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,404
    Can we assume that nobody still thinks that the support of Mr 'London through and through' for HS2 wasn't about benefiting London ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,124

    If 42K come from rUK then by my maths 133K come from Scotland itself
    Oh sorry, my mistake, I'd assumed by 'the biggest support from the North East and Aberdeen' you meant the biggest support came the North East and Aberdeen.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Yup. A generation of relatively well-off young people, earning £25-£35k, who will have to perpetually rent, many house-sharing.
    What about people earning less than £25k?
  • Merkel looking far from impressed on Trump's statement on immigration
  • My wife has said she thinks Merkel is about to burst into tears
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Can;t see any problems with this....

    Google's Allo App Can Reveal To Your Friends What You've Searched

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    Was just reading that. Quite scary, but not surprising if you've been following Google and how they work.
  • Trump expressions while Merkel speaks is hilarious
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/brexit/hans-werner-sinn-zum-brexit-fuer-deutschland-ist-es-verheerend-14926168-p3.html

    At least one prominent German economist foresees significant pitfalls for his country if it handles EU change, including Brexit, badly.

    The spectre of an increasingly divided Europe is drawn with Germany entering into a one-sided dependency relationship with club med (incl. France) once the UK departs.

    The 'protectionist' instincts of Macron and the promotion of 'two-speed' Europe driven by Brussels and the Eurozone risks losing the Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans.

    Meanwhile, the loss of the UK changes the size of the competing free trade/protectionist blocs which has repercussions for EU decision making under the Lisbon Treaty.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529
    Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Chestnut, the points on QMV and shifting power are probably right, but also fairly obvious.

    It's an intriguing counter-factual to think of what Cameron would've got had he been willing to campaign for Leave if he didn't get a good enough deal.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,111

    Can we assume that nobody still thinks that the support of Mr 'London through and through' for HS2 wasn't about benefiting London ?

    *You* can assume nothing of the sort. HS2 will benefit more than just London. And Osborne's promotion of infrastructure in the north has been obvious to anyone with eyes.

    However, it will be interesting to see if this changes now.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. HYUFD, important to consider blame. If we get, or are perceived to get, a bad deal then the critical point is whether the electorate assign blame to an intransigent EU or an inept negotiation by the UK Government.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The Don refused to shake Merkel's hand?
  • It might be me but this conference looks like a car crash
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,404
    Dixie said:

    The unwritten rule is cabinet members tend to be from safe seats. Marginals require MP to spend time with voters. Ed Miliband and Peter Mandleson probably don't even know where their constituencies are/were!
    Mandleson certainly visited Hartlepool chip shops.

    I believe they offered guacamole especially for him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,900
    edited March 2017
    For an event like this the questioners microphones are dreadful even if they are using them
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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Putney, cheers for that report.

    I'm not at all annoyed with myself that I weighed up backing them, but decided against it due to my dodgy horse-racing record.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529
    RoyalBlue said:

    At some point in their 30s, they will realise that they only earn enough to exist in London, rather than live. They will then move out to the provinces, eventually get on the housing ladder and silently (or not so silently) resent those in a better position.

    This isn't a new phenomenon, but rising rents are making it more common.

    Moving out to the suburbs and Home Counties from inner London is what people have always done to get a more affordable property
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,147
    Just back from Gorton. The Lib Dems had the official opening of their HQ this morning. I hear the campaign will be based on Brexit, bins, and the bloody council! I would also have a little wager that potholes might figure - they are everwhere.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Slade, mountain for the Lib Dems to climb. One suspects they'll all be vigorously singing from the same hymn sheet, though.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 956
    1. Does not look as if we will be leaving the EU
    2. Mrs May probably on the back benches in 18 months
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529

    Mr. HYUFD, important to consider blame. If we get, or are perceived to get, a bad deal then the critical point is whether the electorate assign blame to an intransigent EU or an inept negotiation by the UK Government.

    The key point from the poll is control of immigration is the main priority, voters also back May's view that no deal is better than a bad deal. However less than half believe ending all contributions to the EU is key so if May does compromise for a reasonable deal that is likely to be where it is done
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,111
    Off-topic:

    Trump's proposal for NASA's budget seems reasonable: a sub-1% decrease. However there is one part that seems really odd. The DSCOVR satellite was launched in 2015, and observes Earth and the surrounding space from about a million miles away. The satellite's doing good work, yet it's budget is being cut so it will have to be mothballed.

    The money it was costing NASA to operate? 1.2 million per year. That's million, not billion.

    I'll also miss the Asteroid Redirect Mission, but I think I'm about the only person who'll miss that ...

    If you want to know the sort of picture DSCVR can take, then here's one of the far side of the moon in front of the Earth:
    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Theakes, do you have any reasons for those interesting forecasts?

    Mr. HYUFD, indeed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529
    edited March 2017
    theakes said:

    1. Does not look as if we will be leaving the EU
    2. Mrs May probably on the back benches in 18 months

    Based on the new Mori poll it is a certainty we will leave the EU, over 60% put immigration control as the top priority
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,404

    *You* can assume nothing of the sort. HS2 will benefit more than just London. And Osborne's promotion of infrastructure in the north has been obvious to anyone with eyes.

    However, it will be interesting to see if this changes now.
    As HS2 is being built from London northwards we can certainly assume it will benefit London first.

    And there's more to promotion of infrastructure than endless photostunts in unnecessary hi-vis jackets and helmets.

    Still, fair's fair, there's been more new roads opened in South Yorkshire in the last five years than Labour managed in government.
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