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Seconded nothing better than long-priced tips which keep the fun going all day and give you a return to boot.peter_from_putney said:Another good day's tipping from freetochoose:
2.10 Vosne Romanee - UNPLACED
3.30 Native River - PLACED
4.10 Wonderful Charm - PLACED
5.30 Dandridge - PLACED
Three out of four placed horses ain't bad and after his noteworthy success yesterday, the above picks were certainly profitable for those, like me, who backed them place only on the Betfair exchange.
Thanks and well done!
Maybe we have another star punter in the making .... let's hope so.0 -
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!0 -
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.0 -
That's a kool picture. Would it be fair to say that we see the more interesting side of the moon?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Trump's proposal for NASA's budget seems reasonable: a sub-1% decrease. However there is one part that seems really odd. The DSCOVR satellite was launched in 2015, and observes Earth and the surrounding space from about a million miles away. The satellite's doing good work, yet it's budget is being cut so it will have to be mothballed.
The money it was costing NASA to operate? 1.2 million per year. That's million, not billion.
I'll also miss the Asteroid Redirect Mission, but I think I'm about the only person who'll miss that ...
If you want to know the sort of picture DSCVR can take, then here's one of the far side of the moon in front of the Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png0 -
Why? It's abstract to the majority.peter_from_putney said:Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .
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From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
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Talking about Ed Miliband...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Compare Ed's energy price freeze with May's desire for greater competition.Freggles said:I see Theresa May is considering intervening in the energy market.
I thought that was destructive Marxism?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/eddie-redmayne-steps-back-time-aardman-role-144300968.html0 -
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.0 -
So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.0
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Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.0 -
"As HS2 is being built from London northwards we can certainly assume it will benefit London first."another_richard said:
As HS2 is being built from London northwards we can certainly assume it will benefit London first.JosiasJessop said:
*You* can assume nothing of the sort. HS2 will benefit more than just London. And Osborne's promotion of infrastructure in the north has been obvious to anyone with eyes.another_richard said:Can we assume that nobody still thinks that the support of Mr 'London through and through' for HS2 wasn't about benefiting London ?
However, it will be interesting to see if this changes now.
And there's more to promotion of infrastructure than endless photostunts in unnecessary hi-vis jackets and helmets.
Still, fair's fair, there's been more new roads opened in South Yorkshire in the last five years than Labour managed in government.
An incoherent comment. It is being built between London and Birmingham at the same time, and that part of the route's being done first as it's the part of the route with the most need. What would you have had them do?
"And there's more to promotion of infrastructure than endless photostunts in unnecessary hi-vis jackets and helmets."
Yes, and it's happening. Not only roads as you mention, but on the railways in the north you have electrification schemes, the Ordsall curve and many other improvements including the HS3 investigations. What such projects need are champions, and Osborne certainly championed them. Even if it meant he had to look a high-viz pillock.
Will the Northern Powerhouse work? Perhaps it will; perhaps it won't. But at least the government are (or at least were) trying to get all the stakeholders involved with coherent plans.0 -
If we're out of the single market and customs union? Not a chance, Cowley and Hams Hall will be closed faster than an i8.peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.0 -
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.0 -
Oddly, because I know how you bend over backwards to be scruplulously fair whenever you say anything about Osborne, you somehow omitted to mention:another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
Mortgage rates in 1997: Around 8%
Mortgage rates in 2017: Depending on deal, under 3%0 -
Exactly Remainers going on about how May should have gone for 'soft Brexit' and stayed in the single market with free movement left unchecked have, as this poll makes clear, misread the mood. Ultimately it reinforces my view that when most likely does some form of compromise for a few bilateral agreements ie a job offer requirement and some continued budget contributions to the EU it will be hard-core Leavers rather than hard core Remainers as now who will make the most noise in protest and UKIP will have something to capitalise onpeter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!0 -
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?0 -
Very good. Likely the only time he went. He is teh anthesis of what those people would have wanted.another_richard said:
Mandleson certainly visited Hartlepool chip shops.Dixie said:
The unwritten rule is cabinet members tend to be from safe seats. Marginals require MP to spend time with voters. Ed Miliband and Peter Mandleson probably don't even know where their constituencies are/were!GIN1138 said:
No. The chance of a Cabinet job goes with being an MP. Unless we bring the Cabinet in from the private sector (probably not a bad idea?) MP's from the governing party have to fill those positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Osborne taking a full time job in the private sector while remaining MP for Tatton is a completely different scenario...
I believe they offered guacamole especially for him.0 -
The fact that Guacgate didn't happen doesn't detract from its appeal as a story. As even Mandleson himself agrees.Dixie said:
Very good. Likely the only time he went. He is teh anthesis of what those people would have wanted.another_richard said:
Mandleson certainly visited Hartlepool chip shops.Dixie said:
The unwritten rule is cabinet members tend to be from safe seats. Marginals require MP to spend time with voters. Ed Miliband and Peter Mandleson probably don't even know where their constituencies are/were!GIN1138 said:
No. The chance of a Cabinet job goes with being an MP. Unless we bring the Cabinet in from the private sector (probably not a bad idea?) MP's from the governing party have to fill those positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're saying The Treasury was based in Cheshire and not 1 Horse Guards Road, Westminster, London SW1A 2HQ when Osborne was Chancellor?GIN1138 said:
Nice try but that's clearly a completely different situation to taking on a full time job in the private sector while remaining an MP for a constituency hundreds of miles away from said full time job.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/842734558751670272GIN1138 said:
Limited second jobs = OK (though all jobs and earnings should be declared)JackW said:
If you de-select all Conservative MP's with second jobs then it's like they'll have fewer MP's than the LibDems ...GIN1138 said:As he clearly isn't interested in representing his constituents it's time for the Tatton Parliamentary constituency to de-select Boy Goroge...
Full time job editing a London based newspaper hundreds of miles away from his constituency = Not OK.
Osborne taking a full time job in the private sector while remaining MP for Tatton is a completely different scenario...
I believe they offered guacamole especially for him.0 -
It's a fantastic picture. I'm not sure if it captures the more interesting side of the Moon or not; but it caused me to make a second-take at it when I first saw it as it's so unfamiliar.tlg86 said:
That's a kool picture. Would it be fair to say that we see the more interesting side of the moon?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Trump's proposal for NASA's budget seems reasonable: a sub-1% decrease. However there is one part that seems really odd. The DSCOVR satellite was launched in 2015, and observes Earth and the surrounding space from about a million miles away. The satellite's doing good work, yet it's budget is being cut so it will have to be mothballed.
The money it was costing NASA to operate? 1.2 million per year. That's million, not billion.
I'll also miss the Asteroid Redirect Mission, but I think I'm about the only person who'll miss that ...
If you want to know the sort of picture DSCVR can take, then here's one of the far side of the moon in front of the Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png0 -
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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But isn't that part of the problem and why we are where we are?Richard_Nabavi said:
Oddly, because I know how you bend over backwards to be scruplulously fair whenever you say anything about Osborne, you somehow omitted to mention:another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
Mortgage rates in 1997: Around 8%
Mortgage rates in 2017: Depending on deal, under 3%0 -
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?0 -
Sorry, what I meant was, that's showing us the dark side of the moon and it doesn't look to have quite as many features as the side that we look at from the Earth.JosiasJessop said:
It's a fantastic picture. I'm not sure if it captures the more interesting side of the Moon or not; but it caused me to make a second-take at it when I first saw it as it's so unfamiliar.tlg86 said:
That's a kool picture. Would it be fair to say that we see the more interesting side of the moon?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Trump's proposal for NASA's budget seems reasonable: a sub-1% decrease. However there is one part that seems really odd. The DSCOVR satellite was launched in 2015, and observes Earth and the surrounding space from about a million miles away. The satellite's doing good work, yet it's budget is being cut so it will have to be mothballed.
The money it was costing NASA to operate? 1.2 million per year. That's million, not billion.
I'll also miss the Asteroid Redirect Mission, but I think I'm about the only person who'll miss that ...
If you want to know the sort of picture DSCVR can take, then here's one of the far side of the moon in front of the Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png0 -
Certainly it is. But if you're discussing affordability in relation to average incomes, you have to look at both sides of the issue.tlg86 said:But isn't that part of the problem and why we are where we are?
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Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Most people would not know what the single market was if you slapped them in the face with it. Have you not seen your average UK citizen on TV or listened to them on radio. There are an awful lot of simple sheeple out there.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!0 -
No wonder he is such a Primrose Hill property bull, sounds like he is working part time at Foxtons.JosiasJessop said:
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?0 -
So you would rather pay 3% interest on a £250k house than 8% on £50k for the same house?Richard_Nabavi said:
Oddly, because I know how you bend over backwards to be scruplulously fair whenever you say anything about Osborne, you somehow omitted to mention:another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
Mortgage rates in 1997: Around 8%
Mortgage rates in 2017: Depending on deal, under 3%
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I wonder if anyone has compared changes in housing tenure to electoral changes by constituency.nunu said:
I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
Looking at the number of owner occupiers in the London constituencies the Conservatives lost in 2015:
Brentford
2001 59%
2011 50%
Ealing Acton
2001 57%
2011 46%
Enfield N
2001 71%
2011 59%
Ilford N
2001 77%
2011 70%
I suspect those are larger falls than average.
Morley by contrast was 76% owner occupied in both 2001 and 2011.
The data is from UKPR.
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Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Malcolm sheeple is on the CiF list, let alone the PB one.malcolmg said:
Most people would not know what the single market was if you slapped them in the face with it. Have you not seen your average UK citizen on TV or listened to them on radio. There are an awful lot of simple sheeple out there.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!0 -
I wonder what the figure is for poor quality Buy To Let conversions?another_richard said:
I wonder if anyone has compared changes in housing tenure to electoral changes by constituency.nunu said:
I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
Looking at the number of owner occupiers in the London constituencies the Conservatives lost in 2015:
Brentford
2001 59%
2011 50%
Ealing Acton
2001 57%
2011 46%
Enfield N
2001 71%
2011 59%
Ilford N
2001 77%
2011 70%
I suspect those are larger falls than average.
Morley by contrast was 76% owner occupied in both 2001 and 2011.
The data is from UKPR.
Remove the London subsidy premium for rent and watch the prices fall. Likewise, a bit of migration reversal.0 -
I don't really understand the fuss over Osborne (except for his constituents, who might wonder why he didn't go for a Manchester-based job). Surely the time taken up being a full time Chancellor far exceeded the time he will spend being the part-time editor of a free local rag?
And since it is the London Evening Standard, does that mean there will be something of the night about him?
Where did I put my coat?0 -
I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, spent 2 years putting a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
What job could Osborne go for next? Top Gear host?
The second paragraph is probably right but it's a question of how one does it.Fenster said:This idea that Osborne was deliberately humiliated by May is trite.
I hold no candle for May but Osborne had to leave the government, certainly in the short term.
Osborne threw 100% of his weight behind Remain. He was completely loyal to Cameron and sacrificed his career for the Remain cause. He deserves credit for that. He didn't vacillate or hedge his bets, he did all he could to help Remain win.
That inevitably led to him announcing things that put him at odds with the Tory back-benches (and many natural Tory supporters). The Emergency Budget farrago being a prime example. Osborne knew the emergency budget would never be delivered by him, but threw himself on his sword in a last-gasp bid to save the government. So if Remain was to fall, he knew he'd be going down with it.
So as the newly installed PM May could never have kept Osborne as Chancellor in a Brexit government, not given all that had gone on in the campaign. Foreign Secretary too - despite being a job Osborne coveted - became impossible under the new circumstances. So it was either a big demotion or the back-benches. And I think Osborne would've chosen the back-benches anyway.
I think it was inevitable that Osborne had to leave government with Cameron, rather than a straight humiliation. I also think May will reappoint him.0 -
I actually underestimated.
http://landregistry.data.gov.uk/app/ukhpi/explore
Average house price in London was £84k in March 1997, £483k now...
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I think it would be better if people were having to pay higher rates of interest on smaller loans. What worries me is that two of my friends have been given £70k by the government to buy new build properties. This is interest free for five years, but it's going to come as nasty shock when they have to start paying that back on top of their actual mortgagesRichard_Nabavi said:
Certainly it is. But if you're discussing affordability in relation to average incomes, you have to look at both sides of the issue.tlg86 said:But isn't that part of the problem and why we are where we are?
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tlg86 said:
But isn't that part of the problem and why we are where we are?Richard_Nabavi said:
Oddly, because I know how you bend over backwards to be scruplulously fair whenever you say anything about Osborne, you somehow omitted to mention:another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
Mortgage rates in 1997: Around 8%
Mortgage rates in 2017: Depending on deal, under 3%
RN is always 'scrupulously fair' whenever he says anything about the 'near perfect' Osborne.Freggles said:
So you would rather pay 3% interest on a £250k house than 8% on £50k for the same house?Richard_Nabavi said:
Oddly, because I know how you bend over backwards to be scruplulously fair whenever you say anything about Osborne, you somehow omitted to mention:another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
Mortgage rates in 1997: Around 8%
Mortgage rates in 2017: Depending on deal, under 3%
Well it's a view I suppose
Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Bur perhaps RN sees that in a different light to those here of younger years.0 -
House prices historically have been a lot more volatile than people think - it has not been the case in recent decades that they have automatically been a good investment.Pong said:I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, put a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"
http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/2017/02/21/comment/chris-dillow/housing-risk-Hpk00ii6QyvUCrS3rKVkJL/article.html0 -
Great picture, must have been taken pretty close to the moon.JosiasJessop said:
It's a fantastic picture. I'm not sure if it captures the more interesting side of the Moon or not; but it caused me to make a second-take at it when I first saw it as it's so unfamiliar.tlg86 said:
That's a kool picture. Would it be fair to say that we see the more interesting side of the moon?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Trump's proposal for NASA's budget seems reasonable: a sub-1% decrease. However there is one part that seems really odd. The DSCOVR satellite was launched in 2015, and observes Earth and the surrounding space from about a million miles away. The satellite's doing good work, yet it's budget is being cut so it will have to be mothballed.
The money it was costing NASA to operate? 1.2 million per year. That's million, not billion.
I'll also miss the Asteroid Redirect Mission, but I think I'm about the only person who'll miss that ...
If you want to know the sort of picture DSCVR can take, then here's one of the far side of the moon in front of the Earth:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/epicearthmoonstill.png
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Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
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Mr. (Miss?) Rose, I agree that if an MP can also be a minister there's no reason they can't have a second job. The issue is a serving MP also having a significant role in the media.0
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It's not, he got a bit of 'hairdresser's car' ribbing at the time.JosiasJessop said:
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?
He's probably got a union flag paint job on the roof by now.0 -
Correct. Suddenly everyone was a property developer with a portfolio, despite having no arse in their breeks.Pong said:
I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, spent 2 years putting a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"0 -
1.5m additional people in London between 2001 and 2015.Freggles said:I actually underestimated.
http://landregistry.data.gov.uk/app/ukhpi/explore
Average house price in London was £84k in March 1997, £483k now...
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I'm sure you're right.Pong said:
I blame the Sarah Beeny type shows that dominated TV schedules for a decade and a half.another_richard said:
From the ONS report:Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
' On average, working people could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales in 2016, up from 3.6 times earnings in 1997. '
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016
Osbrown economics.
"Mr and Mrs Smith bought the house for £100k, put a bit of plaster on the walls and now it's worth £200k, aren't they clever!?"
There did seem to be a change from shows that were about doing up your own house to live in, such as Ground Force, to the buy and sell shows such as Property Ladder.0 -
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There are columns written by MPs every day of the week in the newspapers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. (Miss?) Rose, I agree that if an MP can also be a minister there's no reason they can't have a second job. The issue is a serving MP also having a significant role in the media.
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I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Most people don't know what a market is, period. If they paused to think that every pound of wages, pension, welfare and public services comes from someone selling something to somebody else, both Brexit and Indyref would be stopped in their tracks.malcolmg said:
Most people would not know what the single market was if you slapped them in the face with it. Have you not seen your average UK citizen on TV or listened to them on radio. There are an awful lot of simple sheeple out there.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!0 -
Have I said a bad thingTOPPING said:
Malcolm sheeple is on the CiF list, let alone the PB one.malcolmg said:
Most people would not know what the single market was if you slapped them in the face with it. Have you not seen your average UK citizen on TV or listened to them on radio. There are an awful lot of simple sheeple out there.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
PS what is the CiF list, I am only a simple turnip farmer0 -
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
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Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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At least he got the JCWTheuniondivvie said:
It's not, he got a bit of 'hairdresser's car' ribbing at the time.JosiasJessop said:
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?
He's probably got a union flag paint job on the roof by now.0 -
I think I'd have more sympathy with the last argument if (a) people in the media weren't allowed to become MPs and (b) the media didn't choose to rely so heavily on MPs to fill their schedules for them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. (Miss?) Rose, I agree that if an MP can also be a minister there's no reason they can't have a second job. The issue is a serving MP also having a significant role in the media.
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For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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What must the people of Tattoo think about Osborne becoming a powerful voice for London?0
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Yeah, I'm sure it's actually a pretty nice car.malcolmg said:
At least he got the JCWTheuniondivvie said:
It's not, he got a bit of 'hairdresser's car' ribbing at the time.JosiasJessop said:
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?
He's probably got a union flag paint job on the roof by now.
Couldn't resist a wee bit joshing tho.0 -
Edited to account for stupid tablet autocomplete!TwistedFireStopper said:What must the people of Tatton think about Osborne becoming a powerful voice for London?
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Pension pots have been doing quite well, actually, so that doesn't work. Furthermore the triple lock benefits only very poor pensioners to any significant degree - those who are wholly or mainly dependent on state pensions.Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Having said that, it's served its purpose now, and should not be renewed in the next parliament, IMO. Currently I believe only the Labour Party is committed to keeping it.0 -
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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not with that numpty in power....no.SouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Looking at owner occupation in the London constituencies where the Conservative vote has disintegrated:chestnut said:
I wonder what the figure is for poor quality Buy To Let conversions?another_richard said:
I wonder if anyone has compared changes in housing tenure to electoral changes by constituency.nunu said:
I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
Looking at the number of owner occupiers in the London constituencies the Conservatives lost in 2015:
Brentford
2001 59%
2011 50%
Ealing Acton
2001 57%
2011 46%
Enfield N
2001 71%
2011 59%
Ilford N
2001 77%
2011 70%
I suspect those are larger falls than average.
Morley by contrast was 76% owner occupied in both 2001 and 2011.
The data is from UKPR.
Remove the London subsidy premium for rent and watch the prices fall. Likewise, a bit of migration reversal.
Brent N
2001 69%
2011 54%
Croydon N
2001 65%
2011 51%
Edmonton
2001 65%
2011 49%
Hayes
2001 68%
2011 54%
Ilford S
2001 73%
2011 59%
Some huge drops there - especially as in 2001 home ownership was still rising and it will have fallen even more by 2015.
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They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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'At least we have something in common in terms of wiretapping by the previous administration' says Trump to Merkelwilliamglenn said:0 -
LOL!HYUFD said:'At least we have something in common in terms of wiretapping by the previous administration' says Trump to Merkel
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For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Local by-election results
Walton le Dale East (South Ribble) :
CON: 49.4% (-5.1)
LAB: 36.0% (-9.4)
LDEM: 14.6% (+14.6)
Saham Toney (Breckland):
CON: 48.1% (-2.7)
LDEM: 15.1% (+15.1)
IND: 14.9% (+14.9)
UKIP: 11.5% (-20.1)
LAB: 10.3% (+10.3)
No Grn as prev.
South Heaton (Newcastle upon Tyne) :
LAB: 46.8% (-11.8)
GRN: 27.1% (+1.7)
LDEM: 15.9% (+11.5)
UKIP: 5.4% (-1.5)
CON: 4.9% (+0.2)0 -
Mr. Topping, writing a column is one thing, editing a newspaper quite another.0
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Wasn't the story about the bust more complex than that (something like there were two; one permanent and one on loan) ?HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Clinton accused the Major government of helping the Bush Snr administration, longer term it amounted to littleSouthamObserver said:
They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Isn't it generally assumed that British intelligence services spy on US citizens for the US government and US intelligence services spy on British citizens for the British government.SouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
Thereby allowing both US and British governments to deny that they spy on their own citizens ?
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If your pension pot hasn't been in balanced global equities then you have the wrong provider 'coz, in no particular order:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Low interest rates = low investment costs = low interest payments = higher profits = higher dividend payouts = lower discount rates = higher share prices.0 -
I'm pretty familiar with two of those areas.another_richard said:
Looking at owner occupation in the London constituencies where the Conservative vote has disintegrated:chestnut said:
I wonder what the figure is for poor quality Buy To Let conversions?another_richard said:
I wonder if anyone has compared changes in housing tenure to electoral changes by constituency.nunu said:
I do think this is the reason Labour bucked the trend in London during GE 2015.Pong said:A whole generation, completely f*cked by the housing market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39301963
This is how the conservative party dies.
Looking at the number of owner occupiers in the London constituencies the Conservatives lost in 2015:
Brentford
2001 59%
2011 50%
Ealing Acton
2001 57%
2011 46%
Enfield N
2001 71%
2011 59%
Ilford N
2001 77%
2011 70%
I suspect those are larger falls than average.
Morley by contrast was 76% owner occupied in both 2001 and 2011.
The data is from UKPR.
Remove the London subsidy premium for rent and watch the prices fall. Likewise, a bit of migration reversal.
Brent N
2001 69%
2011 54%
Croydon N
2001 65%
2011 51%
Edmonton
2001 65%
2011 49%
Hayes
2001 68%
2011 54%
Ilford S
2001 73%
2011 59%
Some huge drops there - especially as in 2001 home ownership was still rising and it will have fallen even more by 2015.
Vast population change and the degradation of the housing stock by BTL landlords are reasonably common in my experience. Lots of subsidised tenancies.
London accounts for around a quarter of the UK housing benefit bill.
We are witnessing the effect of excessive migration in tandem with cheap interest rates and a woefully designed housing benefit scheme.0 -
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Trump's spokesman has effectively accused us of lying.HYUFD said:
Clinton accused the Major government of helping the Bush Snr administration, longer term it amounted to littleSouthamObserver said:
They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Maybe but Trump still managed to find one to put in his office unlike his predecessorJosiasJessop said:
Wasn't the story about the bust more complex than that (something like there were two; one permanent and one on loan) ?HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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That was denied on here this morning by someone who should know. Although who the denial was to benefit is another matter.another_richard said:
Isn't it generally assumed that British intelligence services spy on US citizens for the US government and US intelligence services spy on British citizens for the British government.SouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
Thereby allowing both US and British governments to deny that they spy on their own citizens ? 0 -
I imagine Justin's point was that serious political figures managed to juggle editing and being an MP. BJ doesn't really count.RobD said:
Boris Johnson was also editor of Spectator from 1999-2005, becoming an MP in 2001.justin124 said:Iain Macleod was editor of the Spectator in the mid 1960s and remained an MP - as did Dick Crossman in the early 1970s when editor ofthe New Statesman.
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Sean Spicer will probably be out of his job in a year, Trump himself has said 'he did not "make an opinion" over claims the UK's GCHQ spy agency carried out wiretapping on him during the US election campaign.'SouthamObserver said:
Trump's spokesman has effectively accused us of lying.HYUFD said:
Clinton accused the Major government of helping the Bush Snr administration, longer term it amounted to littleSouthamObserver said:
They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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To be fair, there's a good chance we are lying.SouthamObserver said:
Trump's spokesman has effectively accused us of lying.HYUFD said:
Clinton accused the Major government of helping the Bush Snr administration, longer term it amounted to littleSouthamObserver said:
They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Presumably Trump believes that if you take away NASA's earth facing camera it makes it harder for them to fabricate pesky global warming data.. for 1.2m a year you'd hope the cost could be crowd sourced or picked up by Musk.0
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No, I think Tory hubris and complacency will come home to roost at some stage. In the meantime, it is leading to very bad decision making that will cause significant damage to the UK and its interests.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Spicer is Trump's spokesman. Let's see if he is fired over this.HYUFD said:
Sean Spicer will probably be out of his job in a year, Trump himself has said 'he did not "make an opinion" over claims the UK's GCHQ spy agency carried out wiretapping on him during the US election campaign.'SouthamObserver said:
Trump's spokesman has effectively accused us of lying.HYUFD said:
Clinton accused the Major government of helping the Bush Snr administration, longer term it amounted to littleSouthamObserver said:
They just did, though. His spokesman stands by the accusation. Imagine the furore if this had been Obama.HYUFD said:
His spokesman said GCHQ did, Trump himself has not commented either way but the White House has said it will make no further comment on the issueSouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39310075
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Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Alistair invests in Vanguard, so this isn't HIS pension pot he is talking about, more the great British unsophisticated investor in total.TOPPING said:
If your pension pot hasn't been in balanced global equities then you have the wrong provider 'coz, in no particular order:Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Low interest rates = low investment costs = low interest payments = higher profits = higher dividend payouts = lower discount rates = higher share prices.0 -
17 million voted to Leave the EU, in large part because of immigration, if she did not attempt to do so those voters would simply move to someone rather less savoury who would do it insteadSouthamObserver said:
No, I think Tory hubris and complacency will come home to roost at some stage. In the meantime, it is leading to very bad decision making that will cause significant damage to the UK and its interests.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Hah, great clip!williamglenn said:twitter.com/mikel_jollett/status/842814170399567872
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Oh I DO hope so. This country is getting dreadfully divided!SouthamObserver said:
No, I think Tory hubris and complacency will come home to roost at some stage. In the meantime, it is leading to very bad decision making that will cause significant damage to the UK and its interests.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
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Pension pots have done very well over the last year.Richard_Nabavi said:
Pension pots have been doing quite well, actually, so that doesn't work. Furthermore the triple lock benefits only very poor pensioners to any significant degree - those who are wholly or mainly dependent on state pensions.Alistair said:
Low interest rates = low bond yields = underperforming pension pots = bribe key voting demographicRichard_Nabavi said:
Eh?another_richard said:Of course a consequence of low interest rates has been Triple-Lock Pensions.
Having said that, it's served its purpose now, and should not be renewed in the next parliament, IMO. Currently I believe only the Labour Party is committed to keeping it.
I suggested yesterday that as people get their annual updates they're going to feel rather flush and this will have a political effect.
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Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
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JosiasJessop said:
That was denied on here this morning by someone who should know. Although who the denial was to benefit is another matter.another_richard said:
Isn't it generally assumed that British intelligence services spy on US citizens for the US government and US intelligence services spy on British citizens for the British government.SouthamObserver said:
He has accused us of spying on him!!HYUFD said:
I liked Obama but he did remove the Churchill bust which Trump restored and Obama himself said his closest international ally was Merkel not May. The fact is that other than Netanyahu and maybe Abe, May is Trump's most reliable international ally, that is why he saw those leaders first at the White HouseSouthamObserver said:
Can you imagine the fury on here and among right-wing Atlanticists if that uppity African and his spokesman had accused the UK of spying on him? Fact is, Trump is the most anti-British US president for decades. And there are still people who think he'll give us a great trade deal :-Dwilliamglenn said:
Testing Brexitism to destruction is a dirty job, but she did volunteer for it.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
Thereby allowing both US and British governments to deny that they spy on their own citizens ? 0 -
You obviously have not read the Mori poll out this evening I posted earlier. 61% want immigration control, compared to 43% who want single market access and 43% want no further contributions to the EU budget. Even in Scotland 57% put control of immigration as key, more than the 51% who put the single market as importantTOPPING said:
Why? There was no manifesto explaining what Brexit meant. It could as easily mean membership of the single market and free movement of people.HYUFD said:
If you think any government will get away with leaving free movement unchecked after the Brexit vote you have got your head in the sandSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Over 60% wanting immigration controls is pretty conclusiveSouthamObserver said:
For now.HYUFD said:
Her tougher stance on immigration though is what the public really want, her relationship with Trump is a side issue for most votersSouthamObserver said:
Yep - May's rush to Washington DC to prostrate herself and her country at Donald Trump's feet looks increasingly foolish; as do her remarks about the US and the UK leading the world.HYUFD said:
Trump invited May before Merkel for a reason but as the new Mori makes clear we voted Leave to gain control of immigration not to stride around the world as the US mini meSouthamObserver said:So Trump thinks that Germany has a trade deal with the US and that the UK spied on him for Obama. I wonder if even among the swivel-eyed Atlanticist right there is a dawning realisation that we are not going to bestriding the world with the US once we have left the EU.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html0 -
We had a Mini back in 1962. Very happy memories. And no, we bought it not long after we got married.JackW said:Several years back Mrs JackW was quite struck on the mini, until she sat in one !!
I did advise her the reality would spoil her gushing perceptions, especially after driving an Audi Q7 to view the dinky offering ....
Mrs C learned to drive in it.0 -
Good memory JJ, but possibly more than 2 years ago. It was probably around the same time as he was extolling the virtues of Tesco's own-label Merlot, costing around £5.99 a bottle, or whatever his modestly priced tipple was at the time .... not that he'd admit as much now of course.JosiasJessop said:
ISTR he was going on about picking up his new Mini, and how brilliant it was, a couple of years ago. Although my memory may well be faulty.TOPPING said:
LOL.JosiasJessop said:
Didn't SeanT buy one?TOPPING said:
Minis are so over. Who buys them any more?peter_from_putney said:
Well BMW will still be selling us Oxford built Minis, I think we can be sure of that!TOPPING said:
People can be forgiven for not being crystal clear about what being members of vs having access to the single market actually means.peter_from_putney said:
Absolutely staggering that only 43% consider it important that we remain in the single market .... I would have expected a percentage well into the 90's for that question.HYUFD said:Just 44% think May will get a good Brexit deal. 61% prioritise the UK gaining control over its immigration policy, 43% think it important the UK stays in the single market and 43% think it important the UK makes no further contributions to the EU budget after Brexit
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-44-think-theresa-may-will-get-a-good-deal-on-brexit-a3492401.html?amp
In fact it only tied with the percentage who wanted to see us making no further contributions to the EU after Brexit. Strewth - it looks like there are going to be a huge number of disappointed people around at the end of the negotiations!
They have had enough "they'll still sell us BMWs" to be understandably confused.
Edit: that's a joke, right?0
