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I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
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I think there is a reason for thatBojabob said:
Sir Keith Starmer is certainly a dark horse. I've not come across him before.HYUFD said:
Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general electionBojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Amsterdam results in. Massive swing against PvdA.0
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Amsterdam votes GreenLeft
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5...4....3...2...1.....twitter meltdown....Scott_P said:twitter.com/wsj/status/842145686992916481
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Which is odd because cm are the worst of all possible worlds. The building and technical trades use only millimetres, which really should be what children are taught in at school. Centimetres have the imprecision of inches without their instant-comprehension advantages. Someone at work asked me the other day how many millimetres were in a metre...david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
PVV is the largest party in Rotterdam Dutch TV reporting, Rotterdam is the second biggest city in the Netherlands
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/mar/15/dutch-election-voters-go-to-the-polls-in-the-netherlands-live0 -
Current projection
VVD 33
CDA 18
D66 20
Short of a majority
PvdA 9
PVV 21
GL 16
SP 15
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With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.0 -
With a Walther PPK & couple of alsatians?DoubleCarpet said:
Wilders having no party for PVV and is holed up at Parliament in the Hague.0 -
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
Indeed there is.HYUFD said:
I think there is a reason for thatBojabob said:
Sir Keith Starmer is certainly a dark horse. I've not come across him before.HYUFD said:
Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general electionBojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Nor any recognised defence.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well Liverpool are the Premier League's leading goalscorers and we've played the season without a recognised striker.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too long - 5th beckons for my boys unless Vincent reinvents himself from Bobby Sol 2 to someone more adept with a banjo/barn door.TheScreamingEagles said:
How long is Harry Kane going to be out for ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Correct - plain childishness. We rise above such flippery.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.0 -
I don't think that's true any more. The electronic media seem to have largely dropped Fahrenheit even for high temperatures and with most electronic thermometers in cars or wherever reading only in Celsius, the imperial unit is going the way of the red squirrel. 30C is the new very hot, not 90F.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Yes, it's odd how the metric system has never taken off (beyond the technical/construction trades, which as I post below use exclusively mm for lengths not the cm that children are taught in school).SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
Someone was trying to claim to me recently that Britain was "fully metric" – I pointed out that its road signs are in imperial, as are the measurements of its most popular drinks. "Oh those are exceptions," he said. Road signage is quite an exception!0 -
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
Well, it's like that incredibly annoying song about ironic things which turn out on two seconds thought not to be ironic at all. Also difficult to envisage the circumstances in which it would happen, why would you be impregnating anyone on your own sofa bed? Why would the principal bedroom not be available to you?TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
I lived in Spain for five years, but always had to translate metres, kilos and temperatures. Typical immigrant really, not assimilating. My fellow shareholders at work are a few years younger than me and are all fully metric. I think I must have been one of the last school years to do Imperial. I can remember the old money just about and having my sixpence pocket money turn into 2 1/2 new P!NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
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Strike 2 for the PVV
and 3.. these places have 2% of the population of Amsterdam, dammit!0 -
Same here. But I only know my height in feet.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
I hate to say it, but isn't she actually guilty? The remarks were defamatory and inaccurate, the defamed could demonstrate reputational loss. Is this just recreational litigation by somebody with too much money?FrancisUrquhart said:The MailOnline columnist Katie Hopkins has said it is “very likely” she will challenge a court ruling that she libelled food blogger Jack Monroe on Twitter.
Monroe was awarded £24,000 in damages last week in a row over tweets suggesting the writer approved of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity demonstration in Whitehall.
Speaking to the BBC’s Media Show on Wednesday, Hopkins said she was satisfied with her behaviour and that the defamation bar on Twitter “was as low as my labia”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/15/katie-hopkins-jack-monroe-libel-ruling-bbc-mailonline
The Daily Mail must be paying her more than Trump to his gold leaf supplier if she can afford to go for round 2.0 -
Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.GeoffM said:
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
16 1/2 stone?!Pulpstar said:
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
90F is hotter!david_herdson said:
I don't think that's true any more. The electronic media seem to have largely dropped Fahrenheit even for high temperatures and with most electronic thermometers in cars or wherever reading only in Celsius, the imperial unit is going the way of the red squirrel. 30C is the new very hot, not 90F.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Roughlyisam said:
16 1/2 stone?!Pulpstar said:
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
Yes. It has the helpful side-effect of enabling more headlines.Bojabob said:
90F is hotter!david_herdson said:
I don't think that's true any more. The electronic media seem to have largely dropped Fahrenheit even for high temperatures and with most electronic thermometers in cars or wherever reading only in Celsius, the imperial unit is going the way of the red squirrel. 30C is the new very hot, not 90F.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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You just fancy a change of scenery?Ishmael_Z said:
Well, it's like that incredibly annoying song about ironic things which turn out on two seconds thought not to be ironic at all. Also difficult to envisage the circumstances in which it would happen, why would you be impregnating anyone on your own sofa bed? Why would the principal bedroom not be available to you?TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Latest projections on https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html
show VVD 33, CDA 25, D66 18 giving a bare majority for the coalition.0 -
Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
The young drink jagerbombs, not pints. Litres are at least consistent; it took me a long time in the States to realise that my petrol tank was not quite as amazingly capacious as it appeared at first blush to be.GeoffM said:
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
Jaegerbombs are soooooo 2013Ishmael_Z said:
The young drink jagerbombs, not pints. Litres are at least consistent; it took me a long time in the States to realise that my petrol tank was not quite as amazingly capacious as it appeared at first blush to be.GeoffM said:
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
The new maths GCSE (first exams this year, the previous syllabus is no longer available even for resits) no longer includes imperial units, or their conversions (imperial-imperial or imperial-metric). Up to last year, students were meant to know how many inches in a foot and roughly how many centimetres each were, for example. The young'uns' comprehension of "parental units" is going to wane some more as a result.0
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But without googling, would you know how much a bushel holds, what the area of a rood is, or how long a barleycorn is? They're all in the imperial family of measurements.GeoffM said:
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
I almost crashed the car when the talking head said "until Hammond does another unpopular measure".Danny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.
The measure was NOT unpopular. One thing I like about Trump is is never ever swayed by a few bad headlines.0 -
So do it on the floor? Pretty wobbly, them sofa beds.Bojabob said:
You just fancy a change of scenery?Ishmael_Z said:
Well, it's like that incredibly annoying song about ironic things which turn out on two seconds thought not to be ironic at all. Also difficult to envisage the circumstances in which it would happen, why would you be impregnating anyone on your own sofa bed? Why would the principal bedroom not be available to you?TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Changed again.Barnesian said:Latest projections on https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html
show VVD 33, CDA 25, D66 18 giving a bare majority for the coalition.
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BMI 31.0 HmmPulpstar said:
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
CDA 25 is not on the cards. Indeed such is the shuffling between coalition parties, it seems guaranteed that the preferred VVC CDA D66 coalition will be short.Gallowgate said:
Changed again.Barnesian said:Latest projections on https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html
show VVD 33, CDA 25, D66 18 giving a bare majority for the coalition.
The main problem with adding the CA is that 78/150 is not a working majority.0 -
Centimetres are barely used outside schools and Ikea. Clothing, road signage, beer, people's heights and weights etc are all measured in imperial. The construction, DIY and technical industries all use millimetres only. Schools should use as their standard unit, not centimetres. If a builder says something is 600 it's 0.6m not 6m.MyBurningEars said:The new maths GCSE (first exams this year, the previous syllabus is no longer available even for resits) no longer includes imperial units, or their conversions (imperial-imperial or imperial-metric). Up to last year, students were meant to know how many inches in a foot and roughly how many centimetres each were, for example. The young'uns' comprehension of "parental units" is going to wane some more as a result.
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It does seem from a bystander's perspective that this is the definition of libel. As you say, there is no claim that her tweets were actually accurate and the suggestion that they weren't very negative is laughable. They were very public, etc etc.viewcode said:
I hate to say it, but isn't she actually guilty? The remarks were defamatory and inaccurate, the defamed could demonstrate reputational loss. Is this just recreational litigation by somebody with too much money?FrancisUrquhart said:The MailOnline columnist Katie Hopkins has said it is “very likely” she will challenge a court ruling that she libelled food blogger Jack Monroe on Twitter.
Monroe was awarded £24,000 in damages last week in a row over tweets suggesting the writer approved of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity demonstration in Whitehall.
Speaking to the BBC’s Media Show on Wednesday, Hopkins said she was satisfied with her behaviour and that the defamation bar on Twitter “was as low as my labia”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/15/katie-hopkins-jack-monroe-libel-ruling-bbc-mailonline
The Daily Mail must be paying her more than Trump to his gold leaf supplier if she can afford to go for round 2.0 -
Well alot of Focus to deliver coming up.Barnesian said:
BMI 31.0 HmmPulpstar said:
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
Well a bushel is 8 gallons ... as we got here from 8 pints to a gallon you'd expect me to know that. Four roods to an acre; quarters. Can't remember a barleycorn but as its a shoe measurement it's going to be half, third or quarter inch.david_herdson said:
But without googling, would you know how much a bushel holds, what the area of a rood is, or how long a barleycorn is? They're all in the imperial family of measurements.GeoffM said:
We only really switched from gallons to litres of petrol because that made the price number smaller and therefore psychologically for the forecourt buyer the rapid increases (at the time) seemed less scary.NickPalmer said:
With my foreign background I tend to think in metric, but I don't really care. What is daft is that we've stopped halfway - e.g. we get petrol in litres, but we're told that cars drive X miles per gallon. For young people that's a purely abstract concept since they (like me) have little idea what a gallon is.SouthamObserver said:
I think a lot of folk do the same. I certainly do.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
I can't remember what I was taught in school, but I operate almost exclusively in Imperial measurements. Below zero is just about the only exception, along with litres of petrol for the car.
But Richard's point is right anyway - the media love to use whatever sounds most extreme/dangerous/challenging. "Wilders in Netherlands might get 15% but probably won't" isn't going to sell many papers. The trick is not to bet on that sort of impression, as so many people seem to have done.
And young people should have no problem knowing what a gallon is. They know what a pint is because they drink them. Standard Friday night, 8 pints .... one gallon. Simples.0 -
The SGP I see oppose universal suffrage!0
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They also always seem to have a bar that rides up in the middle rendering them decidedly uncomfortable. Hardly romantic but each consenting adult to their own.Ishmael_Z said:
So do it on the floor? Pretty wobbly, them sofa beds.Bojabob said:
You just fancy a change of scenery?Ishmael_Z said:
Well, it's like that incredibly annoying song about ironic things which turn out on two seconds thought not to be ironic at all. Also difficult to envisage the circumstances in which it would happen, why would you be impregnating anyone on your own sofa bed? Why would the principal bedroom not be available to you?TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
What chance a minority government before the summer then?
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Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8421512256636190720 -
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
But the point is that it's shown how unwilling she is to face down ANY kind of criticism from Tory backbenchers or right-wing papers. What does that say about her ability to make even the SMALLEST of give-and-take from the British side in the Brexit negotiations (which, like in any negotiation, is going to be essential if you want to get to a deal).HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
Right, that's five out of five.DoubleCarpet said:
Yep!TheWhiteRabbit said:@peter_from_putney
First PVV win!
That's 1 of my 5 in the "White Rabbit Special" market. Simpleveld, in Limburg.
Also 2 northern ones for CDA.
14/388 now in.
Quite a few party leaders have now appeared at their election night do's - Rutte, Pechtold, Klaver all in last 20-30 mins or so.
Wilders having no party for PVV and is holed up at Parliament in the Hague.
Although the site is colouring them light blue, you are still the superior psephologist and I hereby apologise for even suggesting that the PVV might struggle to win five "constituencies".0 -
Did May not see the Budget before it went out?HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
I don't disagree, of course if this is the start of a new trend by May we will be staying in the single market as per the manifesto so they should not complain too much!Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
The rate didn't change at all. A rebate was lost. Not the same thing.Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8421512256636190720 -
That's my motivation too - as well as changing the world.Pulpstar said:
Well alot of Focus to deliver coming up.Barnesian said:
BMI 31.0 HmmPulpstar said:
6'1 and 105 kg here.rcs1000 said:
I only know my weight in kg.david_herdson said:
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
To save time, May should put reps from the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun on the Brexit negotiating team so that they can pass on instructions from the editors' offices.Danny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.
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As someone on Team Hammond, I'm going to have start churning out some pro-Hammond pieces.SouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
I think my first piece will be 'Hammond, our finest Chancellor since Osborne'
No higher praise than that.0 -
The end of contracting-out was all part of Steve Webb's pension reforms in the 2010-2015 Parliament, so that was all baked in before the election.Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
https://twitter.com/montie/status/842152117490089984TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone on Team Hammond, I'm going to have start churning out some pro-Hammond pieces.SouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
I think my first piece will be 'Hammond, our finest Chancellor since Osborne'
No higher praise than that.0 -
My final projection
VVD 33
CDA 20
D66 17
gives 70, 6 short of a majority.
PvdA 9
PVV 21
GL 14
SP 14
20/1 on Rutte NOT being the next PM is worth your 50p I think.0 -
It is because this one effected journalists and some MPs personally I think. Absolubtely sickening, I know.Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.0 -
CDA 120 £17.00
Best value loser of the day looking like.0 -
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
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This claim by a few that the Conservatives are somehow breaking their manifesto by withdrawing from the single market is tiresome, though a psychologist could perhaps help explain why some genuinely seem to believe it.HYUFD said:
I don't disagree, of course if this is the start of a new trend by May we will be staying in the single market as per the manifesto so they should not complain too much!Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.
The Manifesto was perfectly clear that there would be a referendum on EU membership. In a number of places the manifesto talks about what UK policy is within the EU and single market - nothing out of the ordinary, just bog standard stuff about 'defending British interests' etc. Fine. The Manifesto did not say "We will stay in the single market even if the UK leaves the EU." It simply spoke about the policies the UK would pursue within the single market which was perfectly sensible as a) we were (are) in the SM and b) the Government's preference was to stay in it.
If any of the people pushing this line of argument can find a single voter - just one - who expressed a view prior to GE15 that the Conservative Manifesto says we would stay in the single market even if we left the EU I would be astonished.0 -
Anyway the PVV are up to 6 districts now...TheWhiteRabbit said:My final projection
VVD 33
CDA 20
D66 17
gives 70, 6 short of a majority.
PvdA 9
PVV 21
GL 14
SP 14
20/1 on Rutte NOT being the next PM is worth your 50p I think.
Think PvdA may win 0.0 -
I see the exit poll suggests that young people were heavily Green Left, as one iht expect, rather than Wilders, as some predicted. Wilders' support comes mainly from the middle-aged and to a larger extent than any other party from those with low educational qualifications. The liberal pro-EU D66 and Green Left do best among he highest-educated, but badly among the low-educated. The PvdA (centrist Labour) is heavily dominated by the elderly.- half their vote is over 65.
In other words, another country where the centre-right wins, the radical left beats the centre-left, and the far right and centre-left are squeezed. France is going to be exactly the same, Germany maybe not.0 -
Macron is centrist not centre right I think, in France the far right is beating the centre right at the moment and the centre left still just ahead of the far left (albeit Hamon and Melenchon are pretty close).NickPalmer said:I see the exit poll suggests that young people were heavily Green Left, as one iht expect, rather than Wilders, as some predicted. Wilders' support comes mainly from the middle-aged and to a larger extent than any other party from those with low educational qualifications. The liberal pro-EU D66 and Green Left do best among he highest-educated, but badly among the low-educated. The PvdA (centrist Labour) is heavily dominated by the elderly.- half their vote is over 65.
In other words, another country where the centre-right wins, the radical left beats the centre-left, and the far right and centre-left are squeezed. France is going to be exactly the same, Germany maybe not.
Your point on education is correct, the Dutch election is identical to the US election and EU referendum on this point at least, the fewer your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for Wilders/Trump/Leave and the higher your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for centrist Dutch parties/Hillary/Remain0 -
You think Hamon will beat Macron? Interesting.NickPalmer said:I see the exit poll suggests that young people were heavily Green Left, as one iht expect, rather than Wilders, as some predicted. Wilders' support comes mainly from the middle-aged and to a larger extent than any other party from those with low educational qualifications. The liberal pro-EU D66 and Green Left do best among he highest-educated, but badly among the low-educated. The PvdA (centrist Labour) is heavily dominated by the elderly.- half their vote is over 65.
In other words, another country where the centre-right wins, the radical left beats the centre-left, and the far right and centre-left are squeezed. France is going to be exactly the same, Germany maybe not.
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Which newspapers though? The Times will want a more moderate Brexit than the Mail and Express for exampleSouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/8421512256636190720 -
I have a green 402.13 under the VVD, which is nice. Main regret as ever is that I should have laid the PVV for more. But if you have that regret every political betting event its not a bad position to be in.Barnesian said:
I'm CDA £2 @ 1000 but I've also laid £2 @ 500 so it won't be a loser, but not a winner either.Pulpstar said:CDA 120 £17.00
Best value loser of the day looking like.
I've laid another £4 @ 200 but not taken up.0 -
Just because your leader's rubbish doesn't mean the Tory one has to be rubbish too......we could always, oh, I don't know.....look at the polls?SouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
Hammond is going nowhere. If May wanted to distance herself from him they wouldn't have been sitting together in the HoC yesterday. The story is over. Buried.0 -
You must be new here...RoyalBlue said:
You're classier than that.TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Not the Times, clearly! May craves positive headlines in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph. They'll tell her what to do.HYUFD said:
Which newspapers though? The Times will want a more moderate Brexit than the Mail and Express for exampleSouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
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I accept the Leave win made leaving the single market inevitable given the anti immigration tone of the Leave campaign, however we know that May is likely to go for a job offer requirement and limited EU budget contributions to try for a limited trade deal. True hardcore Leavers want a points system, no more EU budget contributions and WTO terms if necessary, that is where she differs from the ultra Brexiteers even if most Remainers think she has gone too far alreadytim80 said:
This claim by a few that the Conservatives are somehow breaking their manifesto by withdrawing from the single market is tiresome, though a psychologist could perhaps help explain why some genuinely seem to believe it.HYUFD said:
I don't disagree, of course if this is the start of a new trend by May we will be staying in the single market as per the manifesto so they should not complain too much!Chris_A said:
Bollocks to the manifesto commitment, that was broken last year when contracted out NICs were raised to 12% but the asleep press seem not to have noticed.HYUFD said:
Although I disagree it was the manifesto commitment she decided to stick to, the negotiations are a different matterDanny565 said:Ugh, just come back in to see this National Insurance u-turn. Just when I was starting to feel quite positive about May's government on domestic policies.
The Brexit "negotiations" are going to be an ABSOLUTE car crash, if this is how soft she is under pressure.
The Manifesto was perfectly clear that there would be a referendum on EU membership. In a number of places the manifesto talks about what UK policy is within the EU and single market - nothing out of the ordinary, just bog standard stuff about 'defending British interests' etc. Fine. The Manifesto did not say "We will stay in the single market even if the UK leaves the EU." It simply spoke about the policies the UK would pursue within the single market which was perfectly sensible as a) we were (are) in the SM and b) the Government's preference was to stay in it.
If any of the people pushing this line of argument can find a single voter - just one - who expressed a view prior to GE15 that the Conservative Manifesto says we would stay in the single market even if we left the EU I would be astonished.0 -
Telegraph I reckon.SouthamObserver said:
Not the Times, clearly! May craves positive headlines in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph. They'll tell her what to do.HYUFD said:
Which newspapers though? The Times will want a more moderate Brexit than the Mail and Express for exampleSouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
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In a fight between a lighweight mediocrity and a featherweight incompetent who won't raise his gloves, the lighweight mediocrity will win every single time.CarlottaVance said:
Just because your leader's rubbish doesn't mean the Tory one has to be rubbish too......we could always, oh, I don't know.....look at the polls?SouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
Hammond is going nowhere. If May wanted to distance herself from him they wouldn't have been sitting together in the HoC yesterday. The story is over. Buried.
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Yes the international evidence now suggests that the thicker you are, the more likely you are to be a racist. In other shock news from Europe, snow seen on top of Alps.HYUFD said:
Macron is centrist not centre right I think, in France the far right is beating the centre right at the moment and the centre left still just ahead of the far left (albeit Hamon and Melenchon are pretty close).NickPalmer said:I see the exit poll suggests that young people were heavily Green Left, as one iht expect, rather than Wilders, as some predicted. Wilders' support comes mainly from the middle-aged and to a larger extent than any other party from those with low educational qualifications. The liberal pro-EU D66 and Green Left do best among he highest-educated, but badly among the low-educated. The PvdA (centrist Labour) is heavily dominated by the elderly.- half their vote is over 65.
In other words, another country where the centre-right wins, the radical left beats the centre-left, and the far right and centre-left are squeezed. France is going to be exactly the same, Germany maybe not.
Your point on education is correct, the Dutch election is identical to the US election and EU referendum on this point at least, the fewer your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for Wilders/Trump/Leave and the higher your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for centrist Dutch parties/Hillary/Remain0 -
I have a match bet with my friend that Leicester will get further in the European cup than England will in the next world cup. Can't remember the stake though, somewhere between £5 and £20 I think !Bojabob said:
Talking of value losers I have taken Leicester at 46 on Betfair to win the European Cup.Pulpstar said:CDA 120 £17.00
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Well I did not say it was a surpriseBojabob said:
Yes the international evidence now suggests that the thicker you are, the more likely you are to be a racist. In other shock news from Europe, snow seen on top of Alps.HYUFD said:
Macron is centrist not centre right I think, in France the far right is beating the centre right at the moment and the centre left still just ahead of the far left (albeit Hamon and Melenchon are pretty close).NickPalmer said:I see the exit poll suggests that young people were heavily Green Left, as one iht expect, rather than Wilders, as some predicted. Wilders' support comes mainly from the middle-aged and to a larger extent than any other party from those with low educational qualifications. The liberal pro-EU D66 and Green Left do best among he highest-educated, but badly among the low-educated. The PvdA (centrist Labour) is heavily dominated by the elderly.- half their vote is over 65.
In other words, another country where the centre-right wins, the radical left beats the centre-left, and the far right and centre-left are squeezed. France is going to be exactly the same, Germany maybe not.
Your point on education is correct, the Dutch election is identical to the US election and EU referendum on this point at least, the fewer your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for Wilders/Trump/Leave and the higher your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for centrist Dutch parties/Hillary/Remain0 -
Is there a betting market on the date Hammond ceases to be CotE?
He seems way too centre-left to be a senior member of this Cabinet and the Tory Press have already decided they want him out asap.
In footballing parlance, he appears to have lost the dressing room.0 -
Yet even the Mail has not raised too many complaints about the job offer requirement May will offer, the prospect of some EU budget contributions may raise a few complaints but out of those papers only 1, the Express, backed UKIP at the last election, the others are not as ultra hardcoreSouthamObserver said:
Not the Times, clearly! May craves positive headlines in the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph. They'll tell her what to do.HYUFD said:
Which newspapers though? The Times will want a more moderate Brexit than the Mail and Express for exampleSouthamObserver said:
May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
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As soon as Article 50 is invoked and reality bites Hammond's position will become stronger by the daypeter_from_putney said:Is there a betting market on the date Hammond ceases to be CotE?
He seems way too centre-left to be a senior member of this Cabinet and the Tory Press have already decided they want him out asap.
In footballing parlance, he appears to have lost the dressing room.0 -
I see Hammond & May having shot the NICs fox (economically undesirable, but politically expedient) and putting on a united front yesterday some are scrabbling around for the next 'split' story......Hammond will be there this time next year......remind me, who is the Shadow Chancellor.....this week?HYUFD said:
As soon as Article 50 is invoked and reality bites Hammond's position will become stronger by the daypeter_from_putney said:Is there a betting market on the date Hammond ceases to be CotE?
He seems way too centre-left to be a senior member of this Cabinet and the Tory Press have already decided they want him out asap.
In footballing parlance, he appears to have lost the dressing room.0 -
Thoughts are with Plato tonight
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The Wilders win in Rotterdam - assuming there was a swing his way - goes against the idea that the Netherlands-Turkey problems harmed his chances.0
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Agreed, goodnightCarlottaVance said:
I see Hammond & May having shot the NICs fox (economically undesirable, but politically expedient) and putting on a united front yesterday some are scrabbling around for the next 'split' story......Hammond will be there this time next year......remind me, who is the Shadow Chancellor.....this week?HYUFD said:
As soon as Article 50 is invoked and reality bites Hammond's position will become stronger by the daypeter_from_putney said:Is there a betting market on the date Hammond ceases to be CotE?
He seems way too centre-left to be a senior member of this Cabinet and the Tory Press have already decided they want him out asap.
In footballing parlance, he appears to have lost the dressing room.0 -
Am I to assume from the headline 'BREAKING - VOORLOPIGE EXITPOLL' that the dutch have no word for Exit poll or even 'breaking', in the sense of news?0
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And yet some clearly want him gone, the fervour over a small change shows that. She'd find somebody, no doubt.HYUFD said:
She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalistSouthamObserver said:Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072
What I don't get is why some of the reports seem to to think only for Hammond is it a humiliation for Hammond to be forced into a u-turn by May. She's in charge, if he did a bad job it reflects on her even if she then got him to change position (and if it was in fact a reasonable move she signed off on and she has forced the change regardless, it reflects even less well on her than him).0 -
Depends what you expected? He didn't win Rotterdam (the VVD did) though he came close, with 16.1%, up 2.8% on last time - much the same as the rest of the country.where he is up 2.9%. It's such a small country that I don't think there are isolated local factors. There isn't much doubt that the VVD profited from the Turkish dispute and it seems to have squeezed his support too.Cyan said:The Wilders win in Rotterdam - assuming there was a swing his way - goes against the idea that the Netherlands-Turkey problems harmed his chances.
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Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?Bojabob said:Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.
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Their language is littered with English and American English as a result of watching too much BBC Television from an early age .... it could be argued that they should be paying the licence fee.kle4 said:Am I to assume from the headline 'BREAKING - VOORLOPIGE EXITPOLL' that the dutch have no word for Exit poll or even 'breaking', in the sense of news?
Why else do you suppose that the English spoken by Dutch football managers is better than say Arsene Wenger's who has been at Arsenal for over 20 years?0 -
Good point.peter_from_putney said:
Their language is littered with English and American English as a result of watching too much BBC Television from an early age .... it could be argued that they should be paying the licence fee.kle4 said:Am I to assume from the headline 'BREAKING - VOORLOPIGE EXITPOLL' that the dutch have no word for Exit poll or even 'breaking', in the sense of news?
Why else do you suppose that the English spoken by Dutch football managers is better than say Arsene Wenger's who has been at Arsenal for over 20 years?
Does remind me of a scene toward the end of Man in the High Castle on Amazon. A very well done angry speech in German, a great language for such things, where toward the end the phrase 'thousand-year reich' seems like it is pronounced in english for some reason, as though there is no german for 'thousand year'.0
