So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.
2 monitors (or more) is the only way to follow PB tips...
Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
The Natural Law party could end up holding the balance.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
What's wrong with that ?
Precisely. Indeed, imagine we had such a representative parliament, and someone came along and suggested we create a new system to take the seats off all the small parties and hand majority power to a party with 36% of the vote mostly concentrated at one end of the country - everyone would think they were mad.
Hence all the clamour for non-PR in the Netherlands (not)!
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.
I didn't see or hear of Yvette. Any link/clip?
She wasn't that good, she just answered a bog standard question in a reasonably straightforward way. That people are commenting shows how low the bar has fallen within Labour.
Indeed. Just seen it. As you say, straightforward stuff but everything is relative I guess.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
What's wrong with that ?
Precisely. Indeed, imagine we had such a representative parliament, and someone came along and suggested we create a new system to take the seats off all the small parties and hand majority power to a party with 36% of the vote mostly concentrated at one end of the country - everyone would think they were mad.
Hence all the clamour for non-PR in the Netherlands (not)!
Actually, the larger parties might vote for that, in order to kill the small fry.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
And the current government would be a UKIP-Tory coalition taking us out the E Oh wait
I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
lol
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls
For now, once the negotiations begin the frothing loons will soon begin to realise they will not be getting everything their own way, plus notice May warmly embraced Rutte at the recent EU summit and hosted Macron at No 10, in a week when Farage met Le Pen and given Kippers' support for Wilders she is not nearly as far right as some hardcore Remainers like to portray her and has not met either the PVV or FN leader
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?
O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
Piss artist?
Too high up I'd hope
This is a conversation that won't end well.
It will end in a piss off I imagine.
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanship
The (ex)home of Lady Zia Wernher, I believe.
Rather sadly, its last owner committed suicide. It was a wonderful, if slightly dilapidated house, with an interesting collection of materials about the Romanov family, to whom Lady Zia was related.
It's now a very stylish hotel, although the Werners still retain the surrounding farmland.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls
Yes we should all raise a glass to the defeat of the racist moron in the Netherlands
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
lol
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?
Probably. You'd only need about 55,000 votes nationwide.
Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
So CDA won the 4th seat. Up 5% on last time. What did CDA get overall last time as a %? CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.
Answering my own question, they got about 9% (and 13 seats). So if they are up 5% to 14% they will get 21 seats, - probably more than PVV but not as much as VVD.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
Rutte may technically represent a liberal party but a man who says 'migrants be normal or be gone' as he did in the campaign will certainly not be getting a dinner invitation from Polly Toynbee anytime soon!
O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
Piss artist?
Too high up I'd hope
This is a conversation that won't end well.
It will end in a piss off I imagine.
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanship
The (ex)home of Lady Zia Wernher, I believe.
Rather sadly, its last owner committed suicide. It was a wonderful, if slightly dilapidated house, with an interesting collection of materials about the Romanov family, to whom Lady Zia was related.
It's now a very stylish hotel, although the Werners still retain the surrounding farmland.
I was familiar with the Romanov collection and connection, but unaware of the suicide.
Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
So CDA won the 4th seat. Up 5% on last time. What did CDA get overall last time as a %? CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.
Answering my own question, they got about 9% (and 13 seats). So if they are up 5% to 14% they will get 21 seats, - probably more than PVV but not as much as VVD.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.
Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?
Probably. You'd only need about 55,000 votes nationwide.
Okay. I'm all for it. I hereby disown my lifelong commitment to FPP.
Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
VVD winning places in the arse end of nowhere, the PVV won't improve when Amsterdam etc come in.
Their vote is down everywhere compared to the last election though. Does anyone know if the results we have got so far are consistent with the exit poll?
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
lol
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.
Oh but you're wrong. She's implementing a key part of Michael Foot's manifesto.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.
As I'm old and decrepit I use Fahrenheit in some circumstances and C in others. At minus 40F I'm buggered.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
lol
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.
I'm not so sure.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.
lol
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
Multi-member STV is the way to go.
With one big constituency, and only one mp.
I'm coming to the conclusion we need to abolish Parliament, and just have a directly elected Dictator Prime Minister, with cabinet and ministers filled by technocrats
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
Weak weak weak !
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.
Agreed. Who and what exactly is she in office for?
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
Weak weak weak !
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general election
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.
Oh but you're wrong. She's implementing a key part of Michael Foot's manifesto.
Very true part of the 1983 labour manifesto is becoming mainstream .Leaving EU,threatening house of lord's nationalising banks .National minimum wage,ban on foxhunting.
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
Weak weak weak !
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.
Dream on, Ed Miliband would be barely doing better than Corbyn at the moment
The MailOnline columnist Katie Hopkins has said it is “very likely” she will challenge a court ruling that she libelled food blogger Jack Monroe on Twitter.
Monroe was awarded £24,000 in damages last week in a row over tweets suggesting the writer approved of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity demonstration in Whitehall.
Speaking to the BBC’s Media Show on Wednesday, Hopkins said she was satisfied with her behaviour and that the defamation bar on Twitter “was as low as my labia”.
She's not in office to [do] the things that the Left want her to do.
If I understand correctly, the current government is pursuing a policy of spending more than it earns, leaving free trade areas, devaluing the currency, penalising savers, and letting inflation rise.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.
Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.
Ha yes. Very true. The subeditor must have been somewhat desperate to use 65F on a newspaper front page, however. "Workers yesterday were forced to leave their winter coats in the wardrobe as temperatures soared to just below normal room temperature."
May melts in face of bad headlines from right wing press. Weak, weak, weak.
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.
Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general election
Sir Keith Starmer is certainly a dark horse. I've not come across him before.
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I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.
CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'
@TheScreamingEagles – thanks for posting.
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.
It's now a very stylish hotel, although the Werners still retain the surrounding farmland.
i.e. the exit poll almost bang on
Bit like UKIP and the Tories in Stoke actually.
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
Tell you what'll make you feel old. You know the song "Baby Got Back" ("I like big butts and I cannot lie..."). Quarter of a century old.
Oh. My. Gahd. Becky...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aikqDq5LXFY
VVD 33 D66 21 CDA 18 require support of CU 6
GL 16 SP 16 PvdA 9 D66 21 well short
I'll give anyone evens on CDA+9.5 (i.e. I'm backing my projection)
First PVV win!
That's 1 of my 5 in the "White Rabbit Special" market. Simpleveld, in Limburg.
Also 2 northern ones for CDA.
14/388 now in.
Quite a few party leaders have now appeared at their election night do's - Rutte, Pechtold, Klaver all in last 20-30 mins or so.
Wilders having no party for PVV and is holed up at Parliament in the Hague.
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.
Monroe was awarded £24,000 in damages last week in a row over tweets suggesting the writer approved of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity demonstration in Whitehall.
Speaking to the BBC’s Media Show on Wednesday, Hopkins said she was satisfied with her behaviour and that the defamation bar on Twitter “was as low as my labia”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/15/katie-hopkins-jack-monroe-libel-ruling-bbc-mailonline
The Daily Mail must be paying her more than Trump to his gold leaf supplier if she can afford to go for round 2.