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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    HYUFD said:



    Macron is centrist not centre right I think, in France the far right is beating the centre right at the moment and the centre left still just ahead of the far left (albeit Hamon and Melenchon are pretty close).

    Your point on education is correct, the Dutch election is identical to the US election and EU referendum on this point at least, the fewer your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for Wilders/Trump/Leave and the higher your level of educational qualifications the more likely you are to have voted for centrist Dutch parties/Hillary/Remain

    I agree Macron's hard to place - he's one of those liberal politicians (an ex-socialist minister, in fact) who appeal by attitude and charm rather than by specific policies. Perhaps Trudeau is the closest comparison.

    One has to be careful on the education thing - my experience of WWC UKIP voters is not that they're thick (nor, generally, unpleasant) but that they're left out of the currently dominant economic model because they're largely unqualified. People react to a sense that they've missed out in different ways - some resent it and vote hard right where they can, some are resigned and don't vote at all, some vote for traditional centre-left parties but with a sense of despondency (very common in Stoke).

    If, in due course, the Labour pendulum swings back towards the centre, I hope it won't swing so far that we forget about this group and go back to just chasing pensioners and the upwardly mobile. It's not an electorally wnning formula to focus only on the poor and undereducated, but a left-of-centre party that ignores them is not worth having.
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    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    Meanwhile, I see Trump's revised travel bn has had an interim order slapped on it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/mar/16/trump-travel-ban-blocked-nationwide-hawaii-court-live
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    With the old imperial and metric, we can then throw in the quart....obviously short for quarter of a US gallon....but then when they say something like 3/5 of a quart in a recipe....and you need to convert that back to UK imperial or metric....

    You need the person who keeps track of the Olympic Omnium scoring in the velodrome to help you out.
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Am I to assume from the headline 'BREAKING - VOORLOPIGE EXITPOLL' that the dutch have no word for Exit poll or even 'breaking', in the sense of news?

    Their language is littered with English and American English as a result of watching too much BBC Television from an early age .... it could be argued that they should be paying the licence fee.
    Why else do you suppose that the English spoken by Dutch football managers is better than say Arsene Wenger's who has been at Arsenal for over 20 years?
    Good point.

    Does remind me of a scene toward the end of Man in the High Castle on Amazon. A very well done angry speech in German, a great language for such things, where toward the end the phrase 'thousand-year reich' seems like it is pronounced in english for some reason, as though there is no german for 'thousand year'.
    The standard of English spoken by Germans, particularly younger Germans is exceptional and grammatically very sound, just listen to Jurgen Klopp to continue with the football analogy. I think this results from their excellent education system.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    75cl is a bottle of wine, 70cl is a bottle of spirits. What more do you need to struggle with?
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited March 2017

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    75cl is a bottle of wine, 70cl is a bottle of spirits. What more do you need to struggle with?
    And a pint glass of beer is ...... how many centilitres? ...... Come on, come on.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    Meanwhile, I see Trump's revised travel bn has had an interim order slapped on it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/mar/16/trump-travel-ban-blocked-nationwide-hawaii-court-live

    Well, it's only Hawaii. It's not like America's enemies are ever going to choose that as a venue to launch a serious sneak attack.....
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    75cl is a bottle of wine, 70cl is a bottle of spirits. What more do you need to struggle with?
    And a pint glass of beer is ...... how many centilitres? ...... Come on, come on.
    56.8 if you actually care.
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    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    75cl is a bottle of wine, 70cl is a bottle of spirits. What more do you need to struggle with?
    And a pint glass of beer is ...... how many centilitres? ...... Come on, come on.
    56.8 if you actually care.
    Hmm .... that took you 5 minutes, God help you if you were dying of thirst somewhere where they didn't understand imperial, i.e. most places.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    What drives me craziest is converting litres per 10km into miles per gallon.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2017

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    75cl is a bottle of wine, 70cl is a bottle of spirits. What more do you need to struggle with?
    And a pint glass of beer is ...... how many centilitres? ...... Come on, come on.
    56.8 if you actually care.
    Hmm .... that took you 5 minutes, God help you if you were dying of thirst somewhere where they didn't understand imperial, i.e. most places.
    I didn't Google it, was just general knowledge. One of the very few conversions I know. If I was thirsty I'd go for the unit it's served in. If I ever get to go to Oktoberfest I'm not going to object to getting a litre of beer and ask to only be given 56.8% of that.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797

    HYUFD said:

    Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072

    She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalist

    May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.

    Just because your leader's rubbish doesn't mean the Tory one has to be rubbish too......we could always, oh, I don't know.....look at the polls?

    Hammond is going nowhere. If May wanted to distance herself from him they wouldn't have been sitting together in the HoC yesterday. The story is over. Buried.
    ... as deep as the Telegraph front page.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/reversingthis-dont-care-bad-theresa-may-saidto-have-told-philip/
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    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:

    Bojabob said:

    Yes, it's odd (but true) that everyones uses pints but very few younger people realise that eight pints make a gallon.

    Ten reams (Arabic origin) of paper - two boxes - make a bale (Germanic origin). A division into tenths but not Napoleonic at all. What more could you want?

    I'm OK with kilos and litres but struggle with grams and centilitres. I often have to mentally divide gram weights by 28.5 to get a handle on the equivalent weight in ounces.

    I know, I know, it took at least five years to wean myself off half crowns.
    What drives me craziest is converting litres per 10km into miles per gallon.
    By a total quirk of fate/arithmetic, converting miles per litre into miles per gallon is easy .... simply multiply by 50 and divide by 11. Iirc the answer is correct to at least two places of decimals.
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    Goodnight all. A tidy and welcome £35 profit on tonight's G.E. in The Netherlands.
    Hardly a fortune, but it puts food on the table for the weekend.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Meanwhile, I see Trump's revised travel bn has had an interim order slapped on it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/mar/16/trump-travel-ban-blocked-nationwide-hawaii-court-live

    Sounds like a no win scenario. Trump's people says this is to do X, opponents argue it is to do Y and win a court case. Trump signs a new order, and his people say it will again do X, but has been re-worded/changed to account for the previous court case... etc. etc.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Keiran's correct: the right wing, anti-EU press want Hammond gone. No doubt May will make it happen.
    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/842151225663619072

    She won't, who is she going to replace him with? He is still a May loyalist

    May will take instructions from the appropriate newspapers.

    Just because your leader's rubbish doesn't mean the Tory one has to be rubbish too......we could always, oh, I don't know.....look at the polls?

    Hammond is going nowhere. If May wanted to distance herself from him they wouldn't have been sitting together in the HoC yesterday. The story is over. Buried.
    ... as deep as the Telegraph front page.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/reversingthis-dont-care-bad-theresa-may-saidto-have-told-philip/
    Lets see what next week brings.......
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,093
    Toyota to invest £240m in UK operations
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39289269

    Good news.
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