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@PickardJE: The junior partner in Holland's coalition is meanwhile expected to slump from 25% to 6%, says BBC. Remind. You. Of. Anyone?0
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I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.0 -
I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.0
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Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.0 -
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
Correct - plain childishness. We rise above such flippery.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.0 -
2 monitors (or more) is the only way to follow PB tips...Alistair said:I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.
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They aren't?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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How long is Harry Kane going to be out for ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Correct - plain childishness. We rise above such flippery.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.0 -
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Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.0
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Too long - 5th beckons for my boys unless Vincent reinvents himself from Bobby Sol 2 to someone more adept with a banjo/barn door.TheScreamingEagles said:
How long is Harry Kane going to be out for ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Correct - plain childishness. We rise above such flippery.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.0 -
I'd give that a 8/10 on the Expressometer. Nothing on immigration, see.Scott_P said:0 -
The Natural Law party could end up holding the balance.Sean_F said:
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
So CDA won the 4th seat. Up 5% on last time. What did CDA get overall last time as a %?
CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.0 -
Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Tone got a majority on only 35% in 2005...IanB2 said:
Precisely. Indeed, imagine we had such a representative parliament, and someone came along and suggested we create a new system to take the seats off all the small parties and hand majority power to a party with 36% of the vote mostly concentrated at one end of the country - everyone would think they were mad.surbiton said:
What's wrong with that ?Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
Hence all the clamour for non-PR in the Netherlands (not)!0 -
It's downright eccentric. This isn't the USA.Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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The Labour Party at the next election?TheScreamingEagles said:@PickardJE: The junior partner in Holland's coalition is meanwhile expected to slump from 25% to 6%, says BBC. Remind. You. Of. Anyone?
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American ownership??Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Indeed. Just seen it. As you say, straightforward stuff but everything is relative I guess.IanB2 said:
She wasn't that good, she just answered a bog standard question in a reasonably straightforward way. That people are commenting shows how low the bar has fallen within Labour.Bojabob said:
I didn't see or hear of Yvette. Any link/clip?surbiton said:
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.
@TheScreamingEagles – thanks for posting.0 -
Pulpstar said:
I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
Sunil_Prasannan said:The French and Dutch are balls-deep into the EU Project, so will never go full-on Populist.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.Scott_P said:
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls
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Well Liverpool are the Premier League's leading goalscorers and we've played the season without a recognised striker.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too long - 5th beckons for my boys unless Vincent reinvents himself from Bobby Sol 2 to someone more adept with a banjo/barn door.TheScreamingEagles said:
How long is Harry Kane going to be out for ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
Correct - plain childishness. We rise above such flippery.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
BTW many congratulations on your current Fantasy League position and Liverpool's too - jolly well done.0 -
Quality. [TSE level]TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
Actually, the larger parties might vote for that, in order to kill the small fry.IanB2 said:
Precisely. Indeed, imagine we had such a representative parliament, and someone came along and suggested we create a new system to take the seats off all the small parties and hand majority power to a party with 36% of the vote mostly concentrated at one end of the country - everyone would think they were mad.surbiton said:
What's wrong with that ?Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
Hence all the clamour for non-PR in the Netherlands (not)!0 -
Nah, I'm writing a piece on why the polls are underestimating LabourTheWhiteRabbit said:
The Labour Party at the next election?TheScreamingEagles said:@PickardJE: The junior partner in Holland's coalition is meanwhile expected to slump from 25% to 6%, says BBC. Remind. You. Of. Anyone?
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And the current government would be a UKIP-Tory coalition taking us out the E Oh waitSean_F said:
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament. 0 -
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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The (ex)home of Lady Zia Wernher, I believe.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.0 -
Alistair said:
I didn't bet on the Dutch election because between reading a tip on here and switching tabs to bet fair I get confused between the PVV and the VVD and the VPV and the PVC and the PCP and give up in disgust.
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lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.0 -
You're classier than that.TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'
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For now, once the negotiations begin the frothing loons will soon begin to realise they will not be getting everything their own way, plus notice May warmly embraced Rutte at the recent EU summit and hosted Macron at No 10, in a week when Farage met Le Pen and given Kippers' support for Wilders she is not nearly as far right as some hardcore Remainers like to portray her and has not met either the PVV or FN leaderMonksfield said:Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
Sunil_Prasannan said:The French and Dutch are balls-deep into the EU Project, so will never go full-on Populist.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.Scott_P said:
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls0 -
How can she get pregnant on a 'Pull out'?RoyalBlue said:
You're classier than that.TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'0 -
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Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?Sean_F said:
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
Nice, but it has the drawback that if you say something is ironic, it tends to lose its irony.TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed'
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Rather sadly, its last owner committed suicide. It was a wonderful, if slightly dilapidated house, with an interesting collection of materials about the Romanov family, to whom Lady Zia was related.philiph said:
The (ex)home of Lady Zia Wernher, I believe.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
It's now a very stylish hotel, although the Werners still retain the surrounding farmland.0 -
Yes we should all raise a glass to the defeat of the racist moron in the NetherlandsMonksfield said:Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
Sunil_Prasannan said:The French and Dutch are balls-deep into the EU Project, so will never go full-on Populist.
May is making a habit of cultivating enemies on the sane wing of the party. She seems to prefer the company of the frothing loons. This is going to get nasty.Scott_P said:
In other news good to see the Dutch results; must be disappointing for our nativist revolution fanboi/gurls0 -
Philip Hammond would be well advised to ask George Osborne how to deal with bad press after budget u-turns. Osborne's an expert.0
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Meerssen narrowly goes VVD0
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Multi-member STV is the way to go.Pong said:
lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.0 -
Probably. You'd only need about 55,000 votes nationwide.Bojabob said:
Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?Sean_F said:
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.0
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RIJNWAARDEN PdvA down from 28% to 4.5%0
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It's the Brexit reality. Back to Fahrenheit, pounds and ounces, etc... Looking forward to 12 pennies to the shilling.williamglenn said:
It's downright eccentric. This isn't the USA.Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Answering my own question, they got about 9% (and 13 seats). So if they are up 5% to 14% they will get 21 seats, - probably more than PVV but not as much as VVD.Barnesian said:So CDA won the 4th seat. Up 5% on last time. What did CDA get overall last time as a %?
CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.0 -
Based on current swing it is VVD 32 PVV 20 CDA 19 D66 18
i.e. the exit poll almost bang on0 -
VVD winning places in the arse end of nowhere, the PVV won't improve when Amsterdam etc come in.0
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Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Rutte may technically represent a liberal party but a man who says 'migrants be normal or be gone' as he did in the campaign will certainly not be getting a dinner invitation from Polly Toynbee anytime soon!SouthamObserver said:Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
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I was familiar with the Romanov collection and connection, but unaware of the suicide.Sean_F said:
Rather sadly, its last owner committed suicide. It was a wonderful, if slightly dilapidated house, with an interesting collection of materials about the Romanov family, to whom Lady Zia was related.philiph said:
The (ex)home of Lady Zia Wernher, I believe.TheScreamingEagles said:
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.
It's now a very stylish hotel, although the Werners still retain the surrounding farmland.
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Yeah ! The Dutch saw of the fascist bastard.SouthamObserver said:Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
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is he?RoyalBlue said:
You're classier than that.TheScreamingEagles said:Asking for a friend, is this line too much for an upcoming PB thread header?
'As ironic as getting your girlfriend pregnant on your pull out sofa bed' 0 -
Set to win 19 seats on current swing.Barnesian said:
Answering my own question, they got about 9% (and 13 seats). So if they are up 5% to 14% they will get 21 seats, - probably more than PVV but not as much as VVD.Barnesian said:So CDA won the 4th seat. Up 5% on last time. What did CDA get overall last time as a %?
CDA up 5% on 5th seat.
1000/1 on Betfair.0 -
Okay. I'm all for it. I hereby disown my lifelong commitment to FPP.Sean_F said:
Probably. You'd only need about 55,000 votes nationwide.Bojabob said:
Would my pro-London, europhile, pro-market, social liberal, secularist, social democratic, pro-nuclear, republican, antiracist, prison-reforming, anti grammar school, Scottish nationalist, party be in with a shout do you think?Sean_F said:
I imagine that in addition to the above, you would have a Christian fundamentalist party, an Islamic Party, an Animal Rights party, a Pensioners' Party, a rural interests' party, a London interests' party, a party dedicated to rejoining the EU, and no doubt many more.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
120-1 was all kinds of wrong for the CDA earlier, PVV at 2.5TheWhiteRabbit said:Based on current swing it is VVD 32 PVV 20 CDA 19 D66 18
i.e. the exit poll almost bang on
Bit like UKIP and the Tories in Stoke actually.0 -
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A palpable sense of tristesse in the air.SouthamObserver said:Nice to see the fascist fail to deliver. Good on the Dutch. Commisserations to all those on the right who were kind of hoping he'd get one over the liberal elite. Never mind. Now onto France.
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Take a holiday?steve_garner said:Philip Hammond would be well advised to ask George Osborne how to deal with bad press after budget u-turns. Osborne's an expert.
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Weak weak weak !SouthamObserver said:
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?0 -
Their vote is down everywhere compared to the last election though. Does anyone know if the results we have got so far are consistent with the exit poll?Pulpstar said:VVD winning places in the arse end of nowhere, the PVV won't improve when Amsterdam etc come in.
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Instagram. Snapchat. WhatsApp. All less than ten years old.Anorak said:
20 years ago 99% of the population would have thought that was a cryptic crossword clue.MarkHopkins said:Hover with mouse gives name.
Tell you what'll make you feel old. You know the song "Baby Got Back" ("I like big butts and I cannot lie..."). Quarter of a century old.
Oh. My. Gahd. Becky...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aikqDq5LXFY
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Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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The mask drops and reveals she is frit.SouthamObserver said:0 -
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
CDA probably shouldn't be 1000-1...0
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Two peas in a pod.Bojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
@bbclaurak: Concern in tory party now about Hammond's political judgement but also in Treasury about how they will ever be able to crack govt spending0
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I hope not!GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.Bojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Current project (by alignment)
VVD 33 D66 21 CDA 18 require support of CU 6
GL 16 SP 16 PvdA 9 D66 21 well short
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I'd rather have that than FPTP.TheScreamingEagles said:
Multi-member STV is the way to go.Pong said:
lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.0 -
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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My current projection 18 compared to VVD 33Pulpstar said:CDA probably shouldn't be 1000-1...
I'll give anyone evens on CDA+9.5 (i.e. I'm backing my projection)0 -
Oh but you're wrong. She's implementing a key part of Michael Foot's manifesto.Sean_F said:
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.Bojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
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As I'm old and decrepit I use Fahrenheit in some circumstances and C in others. At minus 40F I'm buggered.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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With one big constituency, and only one mp.TheScreamingEagles said:
Multi-member STV is the way to go.Pong said:
lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.0 -
Yep!TheWhiteRabbit said:@peter_from_putney
First PVV win!
That's 1 of my 5 in the "White Rabbit Special" market. Simpleveld, in Limburg.
Also 2 northern ones for CDA.
14/388 now in.
Quite a few party leaders have now appeared at their election night do's - Rutte, Pechtold, Klaver all in last 20-30 mins or so.
Wilders having no party for PVV and is holed up at Parliament in the Hague.0 -
I'm coming to the conclusion we need to abolish Parliament, and just have a directly elected Dictator Prime Minister, with cabinet and ministers filled by technocratsrcs1000 said:
With one big constituency, and only one mp.TheScreamingEagles said:
Multi-member STV is the way to go.Pong said:
lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Is why I was in favour of AV, gave so many other betting opportunities.Pong said:
I'm not so sure.rcs1000 said:
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
I think a lot of the fun & value in political betting comes from converting vote shares into FPTP seats/ECV's.
Pure PR takes an edge away from us psephogeek punters.
Personally I'm in favour of electoral reform, but AV is a bit pants.
My slightly radical suggestion would be to have generational constituencies, instead of geographical ones.0 -
I think Bild has had a headline of 'Kommt der Jamaika-Coalition!' for every election of the last 20 years and it and kommt it never does.williamglenn said:If the pattern of the Greens doing well and the mainstream left doing badly is repeated in Germany, my tip of a Jamaica coalition looks sound.
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As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.Pulpstar said:
Weak weak weak !SouthamObserver said:
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.
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Agreed. Who and what exactly is she in office for?Sean_F said:
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.Bojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
It's a mix but I think there's a slow drift to metric. I don't know the last time I heard fluid ounces used, rather than ml, for example. Pints, yes, but only within the context of milk, beer or the like. Fahrenheit seems to be another that's dropping out of usage.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
Length and weight is mix and match. No-one knows how tall or heavy they are in metric, yet most people are comfortable using grams, kg, metres and cm.0 -
I think 20% might be pushing it. 19% tops.SouthamObserver said:
As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.Pulpstar said:
Weak weak weak !SouthamObserver said:
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.0 -
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general electionBojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Very true part of the 1983 labour manifesto is becoming mainstream .Leaving EU,threatening house of lord's nationalising banks .National minimum wage,ban on foxhunting.williamglenn said:
Oh but you're wrong. She's implementing a key part of Michael Foot's manifesto.Sean_F said:
She's not in office to the things that the Left want her to do.Bojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0 -
Dream on, Ed Miliband would be barely doing better than Corbyn at the momentSouthamObserver said:
As we all know, Corbyn is profoundly stupid.Pulpstar said:
Weak weak weak !SouthamObserver said:
But what on earth is Corbyn doing opposing progressive taxation !?
May cowers in the face of the right wing press. Davis is clueless about Brexit. The Conservative party stands on the brink of a major electoral expenses scandal.
Ed Miliband is the second worst leader Labour has had since WW2. He would be 20% ahead in the polls currently and Labour would still have an MP in Copeland.0 -
The MailOnline columnist Katie Hopkins has said it is “very likely” she will challenge a court ruling that she libelled food blogger Jack Monroe on Twitter.
Monroe was awarded £24,000 in damages last week in a row over tweets suggesting the writer approved of defacing a war memorial during an anti-austerity demonstration in Whitehall.
Speaking to the BBC’s Media Show on Wednesday, Hopkins said she was satisfied with her behaviour and that the defamation bar on Twitter “was as low as my labia”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/15/katie-hopkins-jack-monroe-libel-ruling-bbc-mailonline
The Daily Mail must be paying her more than Trump to his gold leaf supplier if she can afford to go for round 2.0 -
If I understand correctly, the current government is pursuing a policy of spending more than it earns, leaving free trade areas, devaluing the currency, penalising savers, and letting inflation rise.Sean_F said:She's not in office to [do] the things that the Left want her to do.
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I use farenheit, until we get a frost.Bojabob said:
Interesting. As I say, the imperial system in general is indeed widely used – more so than metric, I would say – but the exception to that in my experience is Fahrenheit.Sean_F said:
Virtually everyone uses feet, inches, and pounds. In my experience Fahrenheit is pretty widely used.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Ha yes. Very true. The subeditor must have been somewhat desperate to use 65F on a newspaper front page, however. "Workers yesterday were forced to leave their winter coats in the wardrobe as temperatures soared to just below normal room temperature."Richard_Tyndall said:
It is the perfect example of the media and their love of extremes. They will happily talk about sub zero.temperatures in centigrade but just as happily switch to 90s or 100s Fahrenheit when talking about high temperatures. Anything to make it sound more extreme.Bojabob said:
Lots of people still do use feet, inches and pounds – I do in general conversation. I can honestly say that I haven't heard Fahrenheit spoken of by an Englishman for as long as I can remember. I'd guess that a large proportion of the population would have no idea what 65F was without converting it.GIN1138 said:
Perhaps when we LEAVE the EU we'll return to using Farenheit? And feet, inches, pounds, etc...?Gallowgate said:Daily Express still writing temperatures in Fahrenheit? So out of touch.
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Sir Keith Starmer is certainly a dark horse. I've not come across him before.HYUFD said:
Although I am sceptical of this u turn generally I think she is on the right path, she thinks things through, is calculating and is ready to respect the Brexit vote without going as far as the hardest Brexiteers (despite what some Remoaners on here may think), polling wise she is also in a very strong position and the idea Sir Keith Starmer is Labour's Messiah and if he took over it would be Blair 1997 all over again is absurd, he is not even a Kinnock let alone a Blair. Chuka Ummuna is probably Labour's best bet but he certainly won't run until Labour have lost the next general electionBojabob said:
She is an incredibly weak PM. I am now of the view that she has not an original thought, notion or idea of her own. Corbyn is her right-hand man. Without him, she'd be nothing.SouthamObserver said:0
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