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Have you been to Northern Ireland?NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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See dixiedean below. Apparently the numbers are correctnunu said:
??TheWhiteRabbit said:Turnout 96% in Rozendaal!
Edit: oh hang on, reported as 101% in the islands.. 132% last time. 0 -
Some urban polling stations are still open - presumably because of long queues.0
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Corbyn is a Tory sleeper agent!FrancisUrquhart said:
More likely corbyn defects to the Tories.Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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Well, I said "can" rather than "will". If the community is deeply divided, the electoral system isn't a perfect cure. But would NI work better if there were just two main parties, with e.g. SDLP and Sinn Fein forced to work together?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Have you been to Northern Ireland?NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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Citeh!0
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Pulpstar said:NickPalmer said:
The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
Yes. I was an FPP man, but that's well argued Nick. I'm coming around to the idea.NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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City scored now lead by 1 on tie0
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Brew tea.Recidivist said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/842083986373517312
Delicious. Eat two.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
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Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.0
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I take it back...Corbyn in sane position would have put it over the stands.0
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At least a Triple sleeper agent !Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn is a Tory sleeper agent!FrancisUrquhart said:
More likely corbyn defects to the Tories.Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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Lately, he is not even a sleeper. He supports them on Brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Corbyn is a Tory sleeper agent!FrancisUrquhart said:
More likely corbyn defects to the Tories.Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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Plus Rutte has won largely by stealing some of Wilders clothes, Macron will certainly not do that plus while Wilders has failed to win his voteshare is still up. In the 2014 European elections the PVV came 3rd in the Netherlands when the FN came 1st in FranceParistonda said:
I'm no expert in Dutch politics but I think the foreign media desire to paint Wilders as part of the 'populist' narrative is at fault here. He is not really all that similar to Farage, Le Pen, or Trump. He is a single issue islamophobe extremist, with nothing to say on the economy or even much to say on the EU. Frankly, considering some of his latest comments on moroccan scum, it is still unnerving how highly they have scored.Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
So I don't know that we can yet interpret this as a backlash against the trumpian populist wave, certainly not in France which is in a very different situation to the Netherlands (worse economy, bigger problems with terrorism etc - much closer to tipping point). Le Pen is much closer to Trump in her overall programme - anti-islam only makes up 1 part of that.
I think it's more likely than not that Macron beats her in round 2 (Fillon would've lost against her, but he is now so damaged that he almost certainly won't make the second round) - but Macron has no real solid base, he is kind of lightweight, and things could easily turn in her favour.
In short, I think there will be a misplaced overreaction against Le Pen following these results.0 -
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Monaco score - now 6 - 6 but Monaco ahead on away goals0
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That was the one where poor Billy Hague got sent out to take one for the team, facing the media storm asking why the government response was slow and shit. He was of course fully aware that the Hereford branch of the diplomatic service were scrambling in the background, and a few days later all went rather well in their rather daring evacuation of the desert oilfields.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Charles, cheers for that post.
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Of course. But it's a deep social aspect. We are a society of bear baiters, cock fighters and prize fighters, and we like to see the victor standing victorious over his battered rival. This requires two contestants not several.NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
In our case a common criticism of the LibDems is that they are not for one or tuther and hence unreliable.
et cetera.0 -
Well I think there will be a handful - Rotterdam and Limburg (bottom right province) likeliest.TheWhiteRabbit said:
OK DC I'm going to stick my neck out and say no grey at all.DoubleCarpet said:
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.
I will write you a FIFA-style apology if there are more than five "constituencies" that go PVV.
Might even be >10 but we'll see!!
Just glad I've booked tomorrow am off work - most of Europe voting on Sunday is just much more civilized than weekday elections!
Well done to everyone who got on the VVD most seats bet.0 -
6-6...I preferred when European ties were tight affairs where 1-0 over the two legs was a common result ...Too many goals these days ;-)0
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Very good call on this Alastair!0
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What was staggering was not that the VVD were not favourites but that the PVV were ODDS ON.DoubleCarpet said:
Well I think there will be a handful - Rotterdam and Limburg (bottom right province) likeliest.TheWhiteRabbit said:
OK DC I'm going to stick my neck out and say no grey at all.DoubleCarpet said:
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.
I will write you a FIFA-style apology if there are more than five "constituencies" that go PVV.
Might even be >10 but we'll see!!
Just glad I've booked tomorrow am off work - most of Europe voting on Sunday is just much more civilized than weekday elections!
Well done to everyone who got on the VVD most seats bet.0 -
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
19 seats, out of 150, so nearer 13%TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
I take it back...Corbyn in sane position would have put it over the stands.
The glory days of Catenaccio, Francis.FrancisUrquhart said:6-6...I preferred when European ties were tight affairs where 1-0 over the two legs was a common result ...Too many goals these days ;-)
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Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%0 -
Quite right. Maybe I should get an early night...dixiedean said:
19 seats, out of 150, so nearer 13%TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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He was bloody good when he used to wear a Liverpool shirt!FrancisUrquhart said:Raheem sterling is utterly shit...That's all.
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What's wrong with that ?Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
Most of the punters are heavily influenced by the media.Pulpstar said:
What was staggering was not that the VVD were not favourites but that the PVV were ODDS ON.DoubleCarpet said:
Well I think there will be a handful - Rotterdam and Limburg (bottom right province) likeliest.TheWhiteRabbit said:
OK DC I'm going to stick my neck out and say no grey at all.DoubleCarpet said:
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.
I will write you a FIFA-style apology if there are more than five "constituencies" that go PVV.
Might even be >10 but we'll see!!
Just glad I've booked tomorrow am off work - most of Europe voting on Sunday is just much more civilized than weekday elections!
Well done to everyone who got on the VVD most seats bet.0 -
Bloody hell what a silly system.....The ISIS Party could win seats under that system. 0.17% is way too low. A 5% threshold is about right.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
Good evening all
A very pleasant if unprofitable day at Prestbury Park
PtP and Cheltboy put in an appearance. Both on good form, in every sense. Both backed Labaik yesterday.0 -
Not quite . It matches the 2015 Tory vote , but Labour and UKIP are down a bit with the LDs and Grns higher. Green vote looks a bit high , but beyond that the figures are not far off what Opinium have been coming up with over recent months - though the Tory lead of circa 8% is down on 13% in mid February.surbiton said:
This looks suspiciously like GE 2015 !justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%0 -
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We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
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Justin Short Straws up to his old tricks I see...Like rod crosby...On his second favourite subject!0
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I make that down 2%?Scott_P said:0 -
Opinium have said if they don't flag up VI on their commentary, then we are to assume a full suite VI question wasn't asked.justin124 said:
We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
unfortunate...
Monaco 3-1 Manchester City
Phil Neville - Former Manchester United defender on Radio 5 live
Posted at 21:22
It was Monaco's first attack of the second half. There is another goal in this game, I put my life on it.0 -
There was a new YouGov today with Con 44%, Lab 27%, LD 10%, UKIP 9%.0
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Were they expected to lose to Monaco tonight? I didn't see the odds at start of play.Big_G_NorthWales said:City out
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Of course, FPTP does have the advantage of forcing those 'lumbering coalitions' to put together a manifesto in advance of the election and present it to the electorate, who can then hold them accountable for it. As, for instance, with the government's climb-down over National Insurance. Had we had the kind of PR system you suggest, Hammond could have blamed his coalition partners, his coalition partners could have blamed him, and the tax hike would have gone through.NickPalmer said:I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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So why do they give out these figures ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Opinium have said if they don't flag up VI on their commentary, then we are to assume a full suite VI question wasn't asked.justin124 said:
We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
They don't, what we have here is some data to get a nationally representative sample for non VI questions.surbiton said:
So why do they give out these figures ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Opinium have said if they don't flag up VI on their commentary, then we are to assume a full suite VI question wasn't asked.justin124 said:
We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
They don't.surbiton said:
So why do they give out these figures ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Opinium have said if they don't flag up VI on their commentary, then we are to assume a full suite VI question wasn't asked.justin124 said:
We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
Polling Council rules?surbiton said:
So why do they give out these figures ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Opinium have said if they don't flag up VI on their commentary, then we are to assume a full suite VI question wasn't asked.justin124 said:
We all know about Comres by now - though they did start Voting Intention polls again last month. However, I was not aware that Opinium had also talked down its data on this.TheScreamingEagles said:
You keep on doing this, if it is full VI suite of questions, the pollster will flag up the VI, if they don't, you shouldn't extrapolate those figures yourself.justin124 said:Data from Opinium poll completed on 7th March appears to generate the following Voting intention figures :
Con 37.9% Lab 29.8% LD 9.4% UKIP 11.2% Grn 6.2%
You did this ComRes every month despite myself and ComRes telling you otherwise.0 -
Really good article (not paywalled) on Holland's poorest village, and the mixed feelings about migrants:
https://www.ft.com/content/c44350c6-f85f-11e6-bd4e-68d53499ed710 -
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
Indeed and the resultants = 'tick tock' and 'eicipm'RobD said:
Who remembers the good old days of the daily YouGov? And us all trying to guess whether or not the fact it wasn't tweeted by the Sun in the early evening was a good or bad sign.AndyJS said:There was a new YouGov today with Con 44%, Lab 27%, LD 10%, UKIP 9%.
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The PVV will be up on last time, but down on 2010.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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Odd to use Oddschecker than BF I would have thought. The API is a couple of hundred quid IIRCTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
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https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/841996616798212096
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19 seats, not 19%. That's about 13%.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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Indeed. Geert went all BNP too, when he started out UKIP. if you want to be a racist, wear a pin stripe suit!surbiton said:
Most of the punters are heavily influenced by the media.Pulpstar said:
What was staggering was not that the VVD were not favourites but that the PVV were ODDS ON.DoubleCarpet said:
Well I think there will be a handful - Rotterdam and Limburg (bottom right province) likeliest.TheWhiteRabbit said:
OK DC I'm going to stick my neck out and say no grey at all.DoubleCarpet said:
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.
I will write you a FIFA-style apology if there are more than five "constituencies" that go PVV.
Might even be >10 but we'll see!!
Just glad I've booked tomorrow am off work - most of Europe voting on Sunday is just much more civilized than weekday elections!
Well done to everyone who got on the VVD most seats bet.0 -
Yup, see @dixiedean belowrcs1000 said:
19 seats, not 19%. That's about 13%.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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Not paywalled if you go through certain search engines like Google.NickPalmer said:Really good article (not paywalled) on Holland's poorest village, and the mixed feelings about migrants:
https://www.ft.com/content/c44350c6-f85f-11e6-bd4e-68d53499ed710 -
20 years ago 99% of the population would have thought that was a cryptic crossword clue.MarkHopkins said:
Hover with mouse gives name.AndyJS said:It's a pity it doesn't say what the name of the area is when you click on it on the map. Obviously the first two results are from the Frisian Islands.
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13% is exactly the total they got in the 2014 Euro electionsrcs1000 said:
19 seats, not 19%. That's about 13%.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The exit poll says 19%... you think the PVV will be down on last time?NickPalmer said:Incidentally, it's worth noting that Wilders is only going to get about 10% of the total vote. He got an awful lot of coverage for that - a bit as though the whole western world was riveted by the performance of the British LibDems.
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but we mad Bretixteers still don't care.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/841996616798212096
So Phil was not the only cabinet member having a bad day...0 -
ELBOWScrapheap_as_was said:
Indeed and the resultants = 'tick tock' and 'eicipm'RobD said:
Who remembers the good old days of the daily YouGov? And us all trying to guess whether or not the fact it wasn't tweeted by the Sun in the early evening was a good or bad sign.AndyJS said:There was a new YouGov today with Con 44%, Lab 27%, LD 10%, UKIP 9%.
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O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.0 -
It would be brilliant from a betting perspective.Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.0 -
Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.0
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Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?0 -
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.0 -
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
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Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
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Elect, but not elected ?rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
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So that's a no from you, you don't want to comment on The Telegraph front page.steve_garner said:
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
Why am I not surprised.0 -
Not seen the DT front page.TheScreamingEagles said:
So that's a no from you, you don't want to comment on The Telegraph front page.steve_garner said:
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
Why am I not surprised.
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This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.0 -
My parents have an original Marf™ in their bathroomScrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round. 0 -
Both have been posted on this thread, but you only decided to focus on the FT.steve_garner said:
Not seen the DT front page.TheScreamingEagles said:
So that's a no from you, you don't want to comment on The Telegraph front page.steve_garner said:
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
Why am I not surprised.0 -
EnviousScott_P said:
My parents have an original Marf™ in their bathroomScrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round. 0 -
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The one posted after the Indy and FT ones and before your post? That one?steve_garner said:
Not seen the DT front page.TheScreamingEagles said:
So that's a no from you, you don't want to comment on The Telegraph front page.steve_garner said:
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
Why am I not surprised.
Should have gone to Specsavers.0 -
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round.0 -
As is Scrapheap and I would ever engage in some oneupmanshipwilliamglenn said:
It will end in a piss off I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is a conversation that won't end well.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Too high up I'd hopeTheScreamingEagles said:
Piss artist?Scrapheap_as_was said:O/T workshop at Luton Hoo today - in the Gents above every urinal there are beautifully framed Matt cartoons...
THAT is how you define a place with class...
Got some odd looks mind you working my way round. 0 -
I didn't see or hear of Yvette. Any link/clip?surbiton said:
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
Precisely. Indeed, imagine we had such a representative parliament, and someone came along and suggested we create a new system to take the seats off all the small parties and hand majority power to a party with 36% of the vote mostly concentrated at one end of the country - everyone would think they were mad.surbiton said:
What's wrong with that ?Sean_F said:
If we had pure PR like the Dutch, and treated the whole UK as single constituency, a party would only need to win 0.17% of the vote to get into Parliament.nunu said:
Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
So, in addition to the current parties, the BNP, English Democrats, Socialist Labour Party, TUSC, Mebyon Kernow, Womens' Equality Party, NF, would probably have at least 1 MP, and there'd be a host of religious parties and special interest groups getting into Parliament.
Hence all the clamour for non-PR in the Netherlands (not)!0 -
Finally the 4th result is in!
Renswoude:
CDA gain from VVD, VVD down 16 points....
CDA 22% VVD 21 SGP 21
Suggests CDA will regain quite a few districts they held in 2010 etc, esp in east of country.
Green on map but wasn't sure whether it would be CDA, D66, or Greens!!
Just another 384 to go
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https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/841998932481839105Bojabob said:
I didn't see or hear of Yvette. Any link/clip?surbiton said:
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
Just seen the DT. It does not seem to conflate the NIC decision with Brexit unlike the FT. Do you see some sort of link?TheScreamingEagles said:
Both have been posted on this thread, but you only decided to focus on the FT.steve_garner said:
Not seen the DT front page.TheScreamingEagles said:
So that's a no from you, you don't want to comment on The Telegraph front page.steve_garner said:
Your post is a perfect example of playing the man not the ball, no?TheScreamingEagles said:
Always playing the man and not the ball.steve_garner said:Euro fanatic FT headline is cut and pasted by Euro fanatics TSE and Scott P. Quelle surprise.
Perhaps you'd like to give your take on the front page of that well known EU fanatic newspaper The Daily Telegraph in case you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are?
Why am I not surprised.
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She wasn't that good, she just answered a bog standard question in a reasonably straightforward way. That people are commenting shows how low the bar has fallen within Labour.Bojabob said:
I didn't see or hear of Yvette. Any link/clip?surbiton said:
That was the only good bit. McDonnell was pathetic. He was backing rich Accountants and Barristers paying less NIC. Corbyn as usual was abysmal.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yvette Cooper's intervention was good. She showed the same ability to make a comment that cut through that stood out because it is lacking in the front man. Nothing in this case to do with shades of political opinion, just basic competence or the lack of it.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0
