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It looks as though the PVV have been beaten https://t.co/f8mBWUvYrZ
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Exit Poll
VVD (People's Party) 31 seats
PVV (Party of Freedom) 19
CDA (Christian Democrats) 19
D66 (social liberal) 19
GL (Greens) 16
SP (Socialists) 14
PvdA (Labour) 9
CU (Christians) 6
PvdD (Animals) 5
50+ (Pensioners) 4
SGP (Calvinists) 30 -
Second like Man City.0
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Top tipping by Alastair.0
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Looks like Leicester might be the only English team in the Quarter Finals.tlg86 said:Second like Man City.
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Have I mentioned that I've backed Monaco for the Champions League at 150-1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Looks like Leicester might be the only English team in the Quarter Finals.tlg86 said:Second like Man City.
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Same time in six months when the dutch finally form a government?0
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I believe you mentioned it once or twice during the first leg.tlg86 said:
Have I mentioned that I've backed Monaco for the Champions League at 150-1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Looks like Leicester might be the only English team in the Quarter Finals.tlg86 said:Second like Man City.
Just think this time last week someone backed Barcelona to win the Champions League at around 700/10 -
Dutch Green party appear to be winners too.0
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PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.0
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On the way they are playing looks a good bettlg86 said:
Have I mentioned that I've backed Monaco for the Champions League at 150-1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Looks like Leicester might be the only English team in the Quarter Finals.tlg86 said:Second like Man City.
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I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.0
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Mr. 86, did you tip it?
Edited extra bit: I have a feeling you did, and I failed to back it
No dog in that fight, so I hope it comes off0 -
Hard to see past Rutte as PM, even though the VVD has lost seats. If you assume that Wilders is not an acceptable partner for anyone, then there is nobody else close to a majority. Great Green result at the expense of the social democrats - glamorous Green leader didn't hurt, but it's the same pattern as Corbyn beating the centrists in Labour, projected onto a PR landscape.
Remarkable result for the Animals party, incidentally - shrugged off the main battle and increased by 150%.0 -
If the pattern of the Greens doing well and the mainstream left doing badly is repeated in Germany, my tip of a Jamaica coalition looks sound.0
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Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
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Turnout up from 74.6 to 81%.0
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Mr. Palmer, that sounds very high. Normal for the Dutch, or beyond the usual turnout levels?0
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Less of farage-esque escapades this is a family friendly website!Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
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People love narrative: populist insurgents taking over the world, shaking up the established order!Pulpstar said:
Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
There is no grand, over-arching plan. Some things will go one way, some things another.0 -
The coverage by our media, or lack thereof, on the Northern Ireland Assembly elections was just as embarrassing.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
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Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/8420839863735173120 -
Me too, should I be feeling equally comfortable of my laying of Fillon too?Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
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Wonder what the Express will make of it all?Pulpstar said:
Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
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Like Scandinavia, Netherlands generally has very high turnout - combination of small country effect (people tend to feel closer to the political world, and may well know MPs or associates personally) and civic duty culture.0
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Mr. Palmer, cheers for that post. Quite interesting to consider how demographics affect turnout/political psychology more widely.0
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I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
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Shock Diana election victory causes house prices to rocketdixiedean said:
Wonder what the Express will make of it all?Pulpstar said:
Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
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I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
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66 Left, 76 Right, 8 Unaligned, if the Exit Poll is correct.0
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If in doubt, back the centre-right is a good rule of thumb.rcs1000 said:
People love narrative: populist insurgents taking over the world, shaking up the established order!Pulpstar said:
Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
There is no grand, over-arching plan. Some things will go one way, some things another.0 -
That was a massive price. 1-10000 more like.TheScreamingEagles said:
I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
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Wilders is no insurgent, though. He kept a coalition in power from 2010 to 2012, whilst alienating all who tried to work with him. Precious few reports made any of that clear.rcs1000 said:
People love narrative: populist insurgents taking over the world, shaking up the established order!Pulpstar said:
Because the media are piss scared of getting caught out by another Trump/Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Reporting has been atrocious on it all Wilders, Wilders, Wilders.dixiedean said:PVV down considerably on 2010 result. Will British newspapers and Television take a long, hard look at their reporting of this election? Doubt it very much.
There is no grand, over-arching plan. Some things will go one way, some things another.0 -
Replied PT on desert based management consultantsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Palmer, cheers for that post. Quite interesting to consider how demographics affect turnout/political psychology more widely.
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Thanks to Alistair Meeks.
And yet another example of a Betfair favourite not winning.
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2nd exit poll awfully like the 1st one0
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Mr. Charles, cheers for that post.0
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I'm pretty certain I said it might suit somebody else!TheScreamingEagles said:
I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
Incidentally laying Rutte @ 1.12 to be PM looks value. Certainly it looks as if he will head an interim administration, but 85%+ ? far from convinced.0 -
Was reading about the civic culture stemming from the need to make sure dykes were properly maintained and funded. Left or Right, Protestant and Catholic all drown the same!NickPalmer said:Like Scandinavia, Netherlands generally has very high turnout - combination of small country effect (people tend to feel closer to the political world, and may well know MPs or associates personally) and civic duty culture.
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It would seem to me that VVD, CDA, CU, would be the obvious government, with supply and confidence from PVV, FvD, and maybe the Pensioners.rcs1000 said:
The CDA have said they won't be part of a coalition with the PVV, but I guess they may be happy with an informal arrangement.Sean_F said:66 Left, 76 Right, 8 Unaligned, if the Exit Poll is correct.
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You flagged it up, I viewed it as a licence to print money.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm pretty certain I said it might suit somebody else!TheScreamingEagles said:
I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
Incidentally laying Rutte @ 1.12 to be PM looks value. Certainly it looks as if he will head an interim administration, but 85%+ ? far from convinced.0 -
Did you get your full £2.73 on !TheScreamingEagles said:
You flagged it up, I viewed it as a licence to print money.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm pretty certain I said it might suit somebody else!TheScreamingEagles said:
I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
Incidentally laying Rutte @ 1.12 to be PM looks value. Certainly it looks as if he will head an interim administration, but 85%+ ? far from convinced.0 -
Yup.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Did you get your full £2.73 on !TheScreamingEagles said:
You flagged it up, I viewed it as a licence to print money.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm pretty certain I said it might suit somebody else!TheScreamingEagles said:
I still remember with great fondness your tip from last year of Dems to win California at 1.05.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I thought I'd tipped it at above 3s but I can only find my comment suggesting getting on at 2.75TheScreamingEagles said:Top tipping by Alastair.
Ok... celebration over.
Incidentally laying Rutte @ 1.12 to be PM looks value. Certainly it looks as if he will head an interim administration, but 85%+ ? far from convinced.0 -
VVD, CDA, D 66 and CU favourite to rule according to Dutch TV.0
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So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
Is there a site with actual votes counted so far, as opposed to exit polls?0
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Anyway, I'm off now. Best of luck to Monaco and those who have bets on the Dutch result. Hopefully the points markets for F1 will be up tomorrow.0
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rcs1000 said:
So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
Tight.dixiedean said:VVD, CDA, D 66 and CU favourite to rule according to Dutch TV.
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Now, all they need to do is to count the massive ballot papers!!
https://twitter.com/IngriddeCroon/status/842106132411912193/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
VVD + CDA + D66 I think and it's how they get to 76 after that. Greens? CU + SGP conf/supply? Surely PvdA will want to rebuild in opposition. No results in yet.0 -
Just goes to show betting markets predict how people bet, they dont preedict how people vote0
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Ate two.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/842083986373517312
I'll get my toga...0 -
VVD + CDA is pretty much the Conservative Party in the UK (albeit more pro-EU). The CDA were very vocally anti-PVV in the campaign, while the VVD did not rule out working with them.Sean_F said:
It would seem to me that VVD, CDA, CU, would be the obvious government, with supply and confidence from PVV, FvD, and maybe the Pensioners.rcs1000 said:
The CDA have said they won't be part of a coalition with the PVV, but I guess they may be happy with an informal arrangement.Sean_F said:66 Left, 76 Right, 8 Unaligned, if the Exit Poll is correct.
Given four parties are needed to "cross the line", I reckon there is a good chance we'll be waiting quite a while for a finalised government.0 -
Perhaps Spurs pitiful European campaign was quite as dire as I thought....tlg86 said:
Have I mentioned that I've backed Monaco for the Champions League at 150-1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Looks like Leicester might be the only English team in the Quarter Finals.tlg86 said:Second like Man City.
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https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html (scroll down)AndyJS said:Is there a site with actual votes counted so far, as opposed to exit polls?
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The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
Thanks.TheWhiteRabbit said:
https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html (scroll down)AndyJS said:Is there a site with actual votes counted so far, as opposed to exit polls?
It's a pity it doesn't say what the name of the area is when you click on it on the map. Obviously the first two results are from the Frisian Islands.0 -
Oh dear.
How can the Dutch hope to run a civilised society with so many parties?
And they use a hell of a lot of cycles too.
Lost.0 -
brilliant :-)Restharrow said:
Ate two.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/842083986373517312
I'll get my toga...
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I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
Looks like it'll be quite easy to form a sensible pro EU centrist/right government to me.....Toms said:
Oh dear.
How can the Dutch hope to run a civilised society with so many parties?
And they use a hell of a lot of cycles too.
Lost.
With a perfectly proportional voting system too.
Can't say I'm a bit jealous of their system & result tbh)
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rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
have you met the DUP ?rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
I think you misread, the name is displayed above the results: SCHIERMONNIKOOG andAndyJS said:
Thanks.TheWhiteRabbit said:
https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html (scroll down)AndyJS said:Is there a site with actual votes counted so far, as opposed to exit polls?
It's a pity it doesn't say what the name of the area is when you click on it on the map. Obviously the first two results are from the Frisian Islands.
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I'm no expert in Dutch politics but I think the foreign media desire to paint Wilders as part of the 'populist' narrative is at fault here. He is not really all that similar to Farage, Le Pen, or Trump. He is a single issue islamophobe extremist, with nothing to say on the economy or even much to say on the EU. Frankly, considering some of his latest comments on moroccan scum, it is still unnerving how highly they have scored.Pulpstar said:I'm very comfortable with my Le Pen lay now tbh.
So I don't know that we can yet interpret this as a backlash against the trumpian populist wave, certainly not in France which is in a very different situation to the Netherlands (worse economy, bigger problems with terrorism etc - much closer to tipping point). Le Pen is much closer to Trump in her overall programme - anti-islam only makes up 1 part of that.
I think it's more likely than not that Macron beats her in round 2 (Fillon would've lost against her, but he is now so damaged that he almost certainly won't make the second round) - but Macron has no real solid base, he is kind of lightweight, and things could easily turn in her favour.
In short, I think there will be a misplaced overreaction against Le Pen following these results.0 -
Dutch TV notes that in theory a centre-left government is possible if D66 and one other party would play. D66 perhaps, CDA surely not. The Animals party is very hardline on their niche issue - would need something like an end to factory farming or an end to animal experiments. There's a little speculation of a grand coalition between VVD and Green Left as the big winner plus a centre party but it's hard to see a platform basis for it.TheWhiteRabbit said:rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
Tight.dixiedean said:VVD, CDA, D 66 and CU favourite to rule according to Dutch TV.
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50+, the Reformed Party and the CU all lean (to varying degrees) right. Of course, there will now be five months of behind the scenes squabbling over who gets what ministry, while government continues as normal.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
AndyJS said:
Thanks.TheWhiteRabbit said:
https://lfverkiezingen.appspot.com/nos/widget/main.html (scroll down)AndyJS said:Is there a site with actual votes counted so far, as opposed to exit polls?
It's a pity it doesn't say what the name of the area is when you click on it on the map. Obviously the first two results are from the Frisian Islands.
Hover with mouse gives name.
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If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.0
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FTPT
Err, taking the polls with field work started on or after the 23 of April gives a average Scotland figure of:chestnut said:
You can do the counting on the polls over the last two months if you like.Alistair said:
Wait, you be picked two polls with the highest Remain percentage that were 2 months out from the vote?chestnut said:
Scotland polls?
Survation Scotland 75% Remain
TNS Scotland 69% Remain
Real Remain 62%
Subbies within two points of that - phone subs 62-38.
Looks like he/she was right, whoever he/she was.
Lols.
Here's a cherry you can pick.
See what you come up with.
Remain: 56.5%
Leave: 33.5%
Don't Know: 15%
Which produces a headline:
Remain: 66.5%
Leave: 33.5%
The guy UnionDivvie was talking about thought Scotland would be within a few percentage points of the UK vote0 -
Turnout 96% in Rozendaal!
Edit: oh hang on, reported as 101% in the islands.. 132% last time.0 -
3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Groningen, Utrecht etc.0 -
yes, but what are the odds on Erdogan taking over ?Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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I visited Arnhem last year. Poignant museum there.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.0 -
Raheem sterling is utterly shit...That's all.0
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Better than Wilders in all honesty.Alanbrooke said:
yes, but what are the odds on Erdogan taking over ?Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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You can vote anywhere you happen to be in NL, as it has no constituencies. Therefore, turnout can exceed the population (especially on holiday islands).TheWhiteRabbit said:Turnout 96% in Rozendaal!
Edit: oh hang on, reported as 101% in the islands.. 132% last time.0 -
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.0 -
from The Guardian blog:
Dutch media outlet NOS is reporting that the exit poll could mean that the Labour party, one of the country’s largest has lost a record number of seats.
The numbers would see the PvdA, which was in a coalition government with the Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), go from 38 seats to nine seats. That’s an unprecedented loss in Dutch politics.0 -
Don't give him any ideas!Alanbrooke said:
yes, but what are the odds on Erdogan taking over ?Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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I was reading that their then leader blamed the German occupation on failure to keep the Sabbath. They've pretty much always won 2% since the 1920's.rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
More likely corbyn defects to the Tories.Pulpstar said:If anyone wants a very safe 3% but doesn't mind how long it will take you can lay Wilders at 30 for next PM.
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The DUP are more liberal.Alanbrooke said:rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
have you met the DUP ?rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.0 -
lolSean_F said:
The DUP are more liberal.Alanbrooke said:rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
have you met the DUP ?rcs1000 said:
I admire their constancy of purpose and unwillingness to let reality dictate to them.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?
well depends on who youre talking to :-)0 -
Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
Down 29 is unprecedented but somewhat counterintuitively (considering PR) big losses, e.g. 20 seats, are quite common.chestnut said:from The Guardian blog:
Dutch media outlet NOS is reporting that the exit poll could mean that the Labour party, one of the country’s largest has lost a record number of seats.
The numbers would see the PvdA, which was in a coalition government with the Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), go from 38 seats to nine seats. That’s an unprecedented loss in Dutch politics.0 -
The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.0
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The French and Dutch are balls-deep into the EU Project, so will never go full-on Populist.0
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NickPalmer said:
The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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OK DC I'm going to stick my neck out and say no grey at all.DoubleCarpet said:
Fwiw I think there'll be quite a bit of PVV (grey?), quite a few D66 & Greens eg in north, some pockets for CU & SGP. But yes blue will be dominant.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Map likely to be almost entirely dark blue, despite the VVD losing share.DoubleCarpet said:3rd result also in, Rozendaal, v wealthy Arnhem suburb, v safe VVD.
VVD wins first 3 - PvdA down 20 points in the island results, D66 & Greens up.
PvdA likely left with v few districts when map complete and may well lose Amsterdam, Gronigen, Utrecht etc.
I will write you a FIFA-style apology if there are more than five "constituencies" that go PVV.0 -
Man city this evening remind me of corbyns labour party...Just missed from 4 yards out.Bojabob said:Evening all.
I have been entirely unmoved by the mini shambles over NIC. The entire episode has merely exposed again what a tragic excuse for an opposition we have. Labour have out shambled the government.0 -
They have twice as many elections to keep it going...!Pulpstar said:NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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With the minor downside of having to wait for months sometimes years for a government to form.NickPalmer said:The figures show why PR can work well - because there are so many parties, one can vote quite precisely for what one wants, but the broad coalitions are reasonably obvious. I think that's really a better system than FPTP, which forces nearly everyone into two lumbering coalitions of people constantly scrapping with each other.
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Interesting how many different types of parties can pop up inder PR. I wonder what we could have if we had PR.....a Methodist party maybe.Sean_F said:
The Calvinists never go into government, though presumably they'd be more likely to vote Right than Left.rcs1000 said:So, VVD + CDA + D66 (essentially a LD - Conservative coalition) looks inevitable, but it'll need someone else to get it over 75 seats?
The oldies? The Christians? The Calvinists? The Animal Lovers? The Environmentalists?0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/842083986373517312
Delicious. Eat two.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles/Mr. Dean, quite.
Mr. Eagles - https://twitter.com/NightmareNerd1/status/8420839863735173120 -
??TheWhiteRabbit said:Turnout 96% in Rozendaal!
Edit: oh hang on, reported as 101% in the islands.. 132% last time.0