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Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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Is it not that the client for example in the case of Uber driver is the people you drive around...you don't work for Uber, they simply facilitate contracts for you as an agent.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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No, thats one of the factors, but doesn't define it itself.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.0
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Will need more than one high profile argument to be omnishambles.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking to several conservative activists, I'm calling this an omni-shambles budget.
That NI decision will be reversed.
Parties don't lose their right to govern because they u-turn on commitments, therefore they don't lose their mandate. They need to justify going against such commitments, but it is imbecilic to suggest a mandate is lost because, either because they planned poorly or events have changed things, they need to take a different path. Whether it is due to events or their own poor planning merely has a bearing on how much consequence they should face for changing tack.Scott_P said:
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Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.
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I think if you were say a lawyer and worked for one firm - but outside of that employment you did say speaking and also recieved book royalties, then you'd have a mix of PAYE (From your firm) and self employment income (From the books and speaking).....Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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IR35 doesn't work.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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Thanks. Suspect it undoes some/all of the increases in the personal allowance over the last few years.JonathanD said:
The NIcs increase raises ~ £500ma year and affects about 1.5m workers so an average cost of £330.RobD said:
Shouldn't that plot not be "on all households" but "on self-employed households" or at least those with one self-employed person. If only one in ten households in the 10th decile is affected by the change, for example, wouldn't that mean the change in average earning was actually £900? That being said, the values on the left hand side are so small (0.02% for the 5th decile) that even scaling them up by a factor of ten would only be a 0.2% change in average earnings!!CarlottaVance said:Nasty Socialist Hammond! The NI changes are clearly progressive:
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I agree that it is far from horrific and I don't think I have outwardly criticised it as such, merely asked a question whether it is fair? My posts below were really aimed at some of the ignorance on display vis a vis the life of a freelancer and the lack of grasp as to the substantial attendant costs and risks of being one.SouthamObserver said:
When I was self-employed I took on every bit of work out there and was doing 16 hour days six, sometimes seven, days a week. You take the cash when you can because you never know when it might not be there. I was delighted to get back to PAYE and actually took an income cut to do it. That said, what Hammond is proposing does not look too horrific to me.Bojabob said:
Garbage. Being self-employed is "cushy"?? Erm, actually no, it isn't. It's risky, and lacks many of the benefits of being an employee. Catching the flu costs you hundreds if not thousands of pounds.TGOHF said:
I suspect it wont - and this is just the first increase - expect YoY increases.jonny83 said:The NIC rise is going to hit a fair amount of people and not raise that much by the looks of it. Also goes against the aspirational some of them middle class voters the Tories have been courting and have said they are on their side. My father is self employed because he can't find a HR job because of his age, he has no choice but to go self employed at the moment.
I strongly suspect it will get dropped before it comes into effect.
Most voters are PAYE and probably didn't realise how cushy the S/E have it.0 -
Pasty tax moment? Meaning something blown out of all proportion? Hard to say.Scott_P said:0 -
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
In what way? It's a pain but surely it's intent and effect is to limit tax abuse.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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Yes as unlikely as it may sound I believe that is nevertheless the case.SandyRentool said:
So we are in agreement?!?! What a day!Bojabob said:
Yes, in some cases, but that is not the point I was making. I was making the point that the graph is an illusion because – for the very reasons you cite – s/e get paid more to cover the costs and risks of being s/e!SandyRentool said:
But if the IR35 tax dodger is getting £60k p.a., the tax-paying staffy will probably be on around £40k p.a. for doing the same job.Bojabob said:
Of course, that graph does not take into account the substantial attendant costs of being self-employed, and the very significant benefits of being employed. £60,000 pa s/e is worth a lot less than £60,000 pa employed.Tissue_Price said:
https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/839482353055576068tlg86 said:I suspect this NIC rise will get a disproportionate amount of discussion on PB and the wider media because it will affect a disproportionate amount of people who frequent this site and work in the media.
In my experience in process engineering design houses, there is always a big income advantage for the contractors, but they have almost as much job security as the staff (the standing joke being what is the difference between a contractor and a staffy? 3 weeks - i.e. 1 week notice v 1 month notice). Contract draffies would be getting more than staff lead engineers.0 -
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
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Ah local government - hit hard for years, but bugger all defenders so its an easy target.Pulpstar said:The local gov't/council hit tucked away over the next few years is enourmous. Increase for social care doesn't look like it covers it to me.
That looks to be the real untold story of the budget, the NIC stuff is pure fluff in comparison.0 -
No ,the nasty bit is the yokels and coffin dodgers names.AlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
That would be a novelty. Virtually every election is fought and won on the basis of making someone else pay.AlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
Seems a sensible commentglw said:
It's completely ridiculous to expect a budget to have no losers. Along the lines that I say about other similar supposedly controversial things, if every budget is an omnishambles then no budget is an omnishambles.FrancisUrquhart said:I have to say we have got to quite a weird stage with budgets where no group can ever be clearly seen to have being singled out and on the losing end (with the exception of rich...but not those on £100k a year, cos they are just JAMs)....and I say that as somebody who will be getting the kick in the knackers with this change.
e.g. In the Omnishambles budget, the whole granny tax stuff was total utter nonsense.
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Taxation is a joke full stop. We could do with a massive simplification of taxation.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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Political question: To what extent does the May government feel unencumbered by manifesto promises made by Dave n George? My view: Pretty free to do what they want seems to be the answer. It feels like a new party and a new government - despite the brand retention.0
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London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
Who would hire Jezza? And what for? Unless you have a boutique jam-making gig going that is.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
I'll defend that (though it looks like people are saying they are just retweeting his comments from pre election?). Would he have been able to keep to it had things gone according to his plans? Who can say, but why should he not draw attention to the pledge - it is going to come up, the Tories need to justify why it was either a stupid pledge they pretended was good, or why things are different now, they cannot pretend it did not exist, so it doesn't matter who brings it up.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
When you break a pledge it is not unfair for people to bring it up, whoever they are. If it is necessary, trust the people to understand. If they don't understand, well, unfortunate but they'll have to suck it up.0 -
Ain't that the truth. Get Tolley's back to 1 inch thick!glw said:
Taxation is a joke full stop. We could do with a massive simplification of taxation.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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You are so full of crap.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
He hasn't tweeted it. People are retweeting it from two years ago.
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They could do with putting up some of those tacky "Under new management" signs you see , normally outside of pubs that had a terrible reputation as a s##thole or the places where all the trouble starts .Patrick said:Political question: To what extent does the May government feel unencumbered by manifesto promises made by Dave n George? My view: Pretty free to do what they want seems to be the answer. It feels like a new party and a new government - despite the brand retention.
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Ultimately, betfair can do whatever they want to do.isam said:
What do you think to the idea that PC should pay for small punters to bet comm free?Pong said:
I'd have much less of an issue paying PC to the treasury rather than betfair's shareholders.Tissue_Price said:
If the Treasury had the time to look in to Premium Charges, they'd conclude that they were effectively an income tax being levied by Betfair, and thus want a large chunk for themselves :-)isam said:
I don't understand exactly how it works, but it makes me worse off!!Pulpstar said:
Premium charge ? Betfair tells me I have £226 remaining allowance on that..isam said:
They already have a massive tax!Pulpstar said:
How on earth would Betfair cope ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mike and myself would have done countless PB threads headlinedtlg86 said:I wonder what the reaction on PB would have been if Hammond had brought back gambling tax?
'Phil Hammond and Theresa May: Enemies of the people/punters'
It would be a good idea to use the money raised from PC paid by big punters and syndicates to abolish commission charges for small punters. The increase in business through better prices would benefit everyone
As I understand it though, Betfair's overall profits are taxed at a pretty high rate anyway - so a big chunk of what BF take in premium charges end up being handed over to the treasury.
From what I understand, they found themselves in the situation a few years ago where a handful of very professsional punters were consistently making gigantic amounts of money from their exchange - in aggregate far more than betfair were making themselves.
The consequence of them introducing the PC - which is now 50-60% at the top level - is that many BF betting markets have become less efficient.
Which means small EV+ punters like me have an edge.
Swings & roundabouts etc etc.0 -
Freelance Man-hole cover inspector?Bojabob said:
Who would hire Jezza? And what for? Unless you have a boutique jam-making gig going that is.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Are you not on the PC yourself ?Pong said:
Ultimately, betfair can do whatever they want to do.isam said:
What do you think to the idea that PC should pay for small punters to bet comm free?Pong said:
I'd have much less of an issue paying PC to the treasury rather than betfair's shareholders.Tissue_Price said:
If the Treasury had the time to look in to Premium Charges, they'd conclude that they were effectively an income tax being levied by Betfair, and thus want a large chunk for themselves :-)isam said:
I don't understand exactly how it works, but it makes me worse off!!Pulpstar said:
Premium charge ? Betfair tells me I have £226 remaining allowance on that..isam said:
They already have a massive tax!Pulpstar said:
How on earth would Betfair cope ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mike and myself would have done countless PB threads headlinedtlg86 said:I wonder what the reaction on PB would have been if Hammond had brought back gambling tax?
'Phil Hammond and Theresa May: Enemies of the people/punters'
It would be a good idea to use the money raised from PC paid by big punters and syndicates to abolish commission charges for small punters. The increase in business through better prices would benefit everyone
As I understand it though, Betfair's overall profits are taxed at a pretty high rate anyway - so a big chunk of what BF take in premium charges end up being handed over to the treasury.
From what I understand, they found themselves in the situation a few years ago where a handful of very professsional punters were consistently making gigantic amounts of money from their exchange - in aggregate far more than betfair were making themselves.
The consequence of them introducing the PC - which is now 50-60% at the top level - is that many BF betting markets have become less efficient.
Which means small EV+ punters like me have an edge.
Swings & roundabouts etc etc.0 -
Well you post to me to defend cameron -lol well don't have a go at me,it was on sky.TheScreamingEagles said:
You are so full of crap.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
He hasn't retweeted it.0 -
Indeed.Patrick said:
In what way? It's a pain but surely it's intent and effect is to limit tax abuse.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Freelance Man-hole cover inspector?Bojabob said:
Who would hire Jezza? And what for? Unless you have a boutique jam-making gig going that is.FrancisUrquhart said:
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No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.0 -
In practical terms if they disavow the whole lot they really will run into questions of mandate, but if on a case by case basis they say the changed circumstances of Brexit, positive and negative, require them to revisit certain issues, then they actually have a better justification for shifting away from those promises, while still being generally committed to the platform which won them reelection.Patrick said:Political question: To what extent does the May government feel unencumbered by manifesto promises made by Dave n George? My view: Pretty free to do what they want seems to be the answer. It feels like a new party and a new government - despite the brand retention.
So I think it is a case that they need to proceed in line with the commitments unless they explicitly justify when a change occurs , and they need to acknowledge a change not get mad when people point out a change.
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"Read my lips: no new taxes".MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.
It is bloody stupid to make such promises.0 -
An interesting theory. It had not occurred to me that I should wish to impose extra taxes on people who vote Labour.AlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
If it was from two years ago,then I apoligise.TheScreamingEagles said:
You are so full of crap.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
He hasn't tweeted it. People are retweeting it from two years ago.
Perhaps you're the c--t0 -
F1: just an aside amidst the grumpiness - if it is a close three way battle, Mercedes *might* suffer most due to relative difficulty running in traffic.
Not sure if it was taking the piss or genuine (I did ask for clarification) but an F1 Twitter account I follow suggested we may see cars stalling on the grid due to more difficult start procedures.0 -
Well you need to learn to pay attention. Sky showed a screen grab of the tweet and the date and also explained the context.Tykejohnno said:
Well you post to me to defend cameron -lol well don't have a go at me,it was on sky.TheScreamingEagles said:
You are so full of crap.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
He hasn't retweeted it.0 -
He was PM for 6 years, not a bad run all things considered. And his party backed the promises, so unless all the current government who were in parliament then said it was crap at the time, they cannot criticise it for being obviously crap from the start. They would need to say why it is crap to continue with it now, not then. If they backed the policies of the leader then they cannot defend themselves now by saying they thought it crap from the start but were too loyal to say anything.MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.0 -
Snap. As I said earlier I am not convinced that Hammond has gone too far - and Osborne's attacks on contract workers was far more extensive and costly. It is the general tone of the attacks on self employed and small companies that is concerning. If the sorts of people who frequent PB do not understand how the economy relies on these people then there is little hope that this will be the end of the assault on the self employed.Bojabob said:
I agree that it is far from horrific and I don't think I have outwardly criticised it as such, merely asked a question whether it is fair? My posts below were really aimed at some of the ignorance on display vis a vis the life of a freelancer and the lack of grasp as to the substantial attendant costs and risks of being one.SouthamObserver said:
When I was self-employed I took on every bit of work out there and was doing 16 hour days six, sometimes seven, days a week. You take the cash when you can because you never know when it might not be there. I was delighted to get back to PAYE and actually took an income cut to do it. That said, what Hammond is proposing does not look too horrific to me.Bojabob said:
Garbage. Being self-employed is "cushy"?? Erm, actually no, it isn't. It's risky, and lacks many of the benefits of being an employee. Catching the flu costs you hundreds if not thousands of pounds.TGOHF said:
I suspect it wont - and this is just the first increase - expect YoY increases.jonny83 said:The NIC rise is going to hit a fair amount of people and not raise that much by the looks of it. Also goes against the aspirational some of them middle class voters the Tories have been courting and have said they are on their side. My father is self employed because he can't find a HR job because of his age, he has no choice but to go self employed at the moment.
I strongly suspect it will get dropped before it comes into effect.
Most voters are PAYE and probably didn't realise how cushy the S/E have it.0 -
But so tempting - people love a firm commitment like that. It's a question of if you will be riding high enough to get away with backtracking the less realistic ones.glw said:
"Read my lips: no new taxes".MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.
It is bloody stupid to make such promises.0 -
It was a stupid pledge from cameron.kle4 said:
I'll defend that (though it looks like people are saying they are just retweeting his comments from pre election?). Would he have been able to keep to it had things gone according to his plans? Who can say, but why should he not draw attention to the pledge - it is going to come up, the Tories need to justify why it was either a stupid pledge they pretended was good, or why things are different now, they cannot pretend it did not exist, so it doesn't matter who brings it up.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
When you break a pledge it is not unfair for people to bring it up, whoever they are. If it is necessary, trust the people to understand. If they don't understand, well, unfortunate but they'll have to suck it up.0 -
@MrHarryCole: PA: "As he left the chamber, former chancellor George Osborne could be seen tapping Mr Hammond on the shoulder and giving him a thumbs-up"0
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That may well be so. But if May and co were happy to back it then, they cannot say it was stupid without making themselves liars and hypocrites, so they need to explain why circumstances are different and they cannot stick to what was a very good plan at the time.Tykejohnno said:
It was a stupid pledge from cameron.kle4 said:
I'll defend that (though it looks like people are saying they are just retweeting his comments from pre election?). Would he have been able to keep to it had things gone according to his plans? Who can say, but why should he not draw attention to the pledge - it is going to come up, the Tories need to justify why it was either a stupid pledge they pretended was good, or why things are different now, they cannot pretend it did not exist, so it doesn't matter who brings it up.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
When you break a pledge it is not unfair for people to bring it up, whoever they are. If it is necessary, trust the people to understand. If they don't understand, well, unfortunate but they'll have to suck it up.
Given circumstances really are quite dramatically different, that should be easier to manage than with most u-turns, though whether that will help through the backlash is anyone's guess.0 -
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So given the general esteem of Cameron and Osborne by many now, that is a clear sign the budget was terrible I guess.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: PA: "As he left the chamber, former chancellor George Osborne could be seen tapping Mr Hammond on the shoulder and giving him a thumbs-up"
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But it doesn't work. The so-called self employed spend 3 years or more sat at the same desk in a company's office, using the company's hardware and software, wearing a company ID, using a company email address and handing out company business cards. But that company isn't their employer. Definitely not. The tax man should be looking at the companies, not just the contractors.Patrick said:
In what way? It's a pain but surely it's intent and effect is to limit tax abuse.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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The Moggster is also worried about the NI changes.0
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David Cameron was a far better Coalition Prime Minister (five years) than he was a Conservative Prime Minister (one year).kle4 said:
He was PM for 6 years, not a bad run all things considered. And his party backed the promises, so unless all the current government who were in parliament then said it was crap at the time, they cannot criticise it for being obviously crap from the start. They would need to say why it is crap to continue with it now, not then. If they backed the policies of the leader then they cannot defend themselves now by saying they thought it crap from the start but were too loyal to say anything.MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.
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Worried they are bad or worried people will not like it?TheScreamingEagles said:The Moggster is also worried about the NI changes.
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Both.kle4 said:
Worried they are bad or worried people will not like it?TheScreamingEagles said:The Moggster is also worried about the NI changes.
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I saw it elsewhere on twitter that made it look cameron tweeted it today and i must admit I caught the ending of sky showing it - I apoligise.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well you need to learn to pay attention. Sky showed a screen grab of the tweet and the date and also explained the context.Tykejohnno said:
Well you post to me to defend cameron -lol well don't have a go at me,it was on sky.TheScreamingEagles said:
You are so full of crap.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
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The answer is simple, obvious, and the same reason he was better than TezzaMarqueeMark said:David Cameron was a far better Coalition Prime Minister (five years) than he was a Conservative Prime Minister (one year).
Discuss. Use both sides of the paper.
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Don't know if that can be stretched out to two sides.MarqueeMark said:
David Cameron was a far better Coalition Prime Minister (five years) than he was a Conservative Prime Minister (one year).kle4 said:
He was PM for 6 years, not a bad run all things considered. And his party backed the promises, so unless all the current government who were in parliament then said it was crap at the time, they cannot criticise it for being obviously crap from the start. They would need to say why it is crap to continue with it now, not then. If they backed the policies of the leader then they cannot defend themselves now by saying they thought it crap from the start but were too loyal to say anything.MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.
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"[IR35] is raising just £1.5m a year from the tax, a tiny amount in terms of the overall tax burden. The Government had expected to raise £220m a year in National Insurance contributions alone, without even taking the extra income tax into account."Slackbladder said:
IR35 doesn't work.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/22/ir35_tax_revenues/
And since then it has fallen even further, down to £200K in 20110 -
Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?0
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Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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I'm sure the Moggster will be able to suggest where the additional money can be gleaned from, or what else can be dropped to make up for not doing it. Whatever else, he's an ideas man at times.TheScreamingEagles said:
Both.kle4 said:
Worried they are bad or worried people will not like it?TheScreamingEagles said:The Moggster is also worried about the NI changes.
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If they can't get their budget passed, you know what happens soon after....AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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I think the legislation does place the onus on the ultimate employing entity. They can confirm status via a tool (input terms and the tool advises if this is an employee of contractor for tax/PAYE purposes). Where the individual comes via an agency the ultimate employer is obliged to ensure the agency deducts tax.SandyRentool said:
But it doesn't work. The so-called self employed spend 3 years or more sat at the same desk in a company's office, using the company's hardware and software, wearing a company ID, using a company email address and handing out company business cards. But that company isn't their employer. Definitely not. The tax man should be looking at the companies, not just the contractors.Patrick said:
In what way? It's a pain but surely it's intent and effect is to limit tax abuse.SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
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OM-NIC-shambles. Hmmmm..... That might just about work - if it was said in the context of self-employed meditation gurus.TheScreamingEagles said:
Let's face it, Hammond had the best gags today.0 -
Scott_P said:
Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
Well that's one way to get an early election..
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Ooh. Not sure I'd vote for a party that cannot get its own budget through when it has a majority.williamglenn said:
If they can't get their budget passed, you know what happens soon after....AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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I assume the budget would be a three line whip, as well as being a confidence issue.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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Remind us to what extent you recused yourself from commenting on POTUS last year because this is not www.usapb.com, and indeed how silent you have been about France.AlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.
Severing links with a load of expressly and unashamedly racist bigots like the Hungarians is one of the many beneficial aspects of Brexit. But if you want to carry on loathing the English WWC, knock yourself out when the EDL accepts Orban's invitation and moves in next door to you.0 -
U-turns have been known in the past - cf cutting tax credits, disability benefit cuts.Scott_P said:
Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
I'n assuming that Labour will be whipped to support this progressive taxation policy, so no problem getting it through the house.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
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But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
Don't remember many people saying that in 2015 funnily enough.Tykejohnno said:
It was a stupid pledge from cameron.kle4 said:
I'll defend that (though it looks like people are saying they are just retweeting his comments from pre election?). Would he have been able to keep to it had things gone according to his plans? Who can say, but why should he not draw attention to the pledge - it is going to come up, the Tories need to justify why it was either a stupid pledge they pretended was good, or why things are different now, they cannot pretend it did not exist, so it doesn't matter who brings it up.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
When you break a pledge it is not unfair for people to bring it up, whoever they are. If it is necessary, trust the people to understand. If they don't understand, well, unfortunate but they'll have to suck it up.0 -
Just in thrall to UKIP for giving the Referendum in the first place then?Scott_P said:
The answer is simple, obvious, and the same reason he was better than TezzaMarqueeMark said:David Cameron was a far better Coalition Prime Minister (five years) than he was a Conservative Prime Minister (one year).
Discuss. Use both sides of the paper.
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It must be those Nimbys who are afraid of concreting over the countryside but are also yearning to turn England into the Singapore of Europe.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
In the days of google, flagrant misstatements of that kind are unwise.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html0 -
A lot of people who live in London aren't from London themselves, so of course they are ok with others doing what they do.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.
Lots of Londoners move out because of it, and lots of people on the outskirts don't want their hometown to become like the places they pass on their commute. That's why they are anti immigration.
I sense you are clucking for an argument, but I have already said "so let it be", so don't worry yourself about it0 -
One of the great social paradoxes. I was at a wedding over the summer in Northumberland where my wife's pissed uncle was enthusiastically regaling me with his reasons for voting Brexit – because of all the immigrants coming in. The only 'immigrants' as far as the eye could see were the handful of Londoners who attended the celebration.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
Immigration must just be a figment of his imagination then!Bojabob said:
One of the great social paradoxes. I was at a wedding over the summer in Northumberland where my wife's pissed uncle was enthusiastically regaling me with his reasons for voting Brexit – because of all the immigrants coming in. The only 'immigrants' as far as the eye could see were the handful of Londoners who attended the celebration.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
I remember some pb posters on here at the time saying it was a silly/stupid pledge,read my lips kept coming into my head when cameron pledged it ;-)midwinter said:
Don't remember many people saying that in 2015 funnily enough.Tykejohnno said:
It was a stupid pledge from cameron.kle4 said:
I'll defend that (though it looks like people are saying they are just retweeting his comments from pre election?). Would he have been able to keep to it had things gone according to his plans? Who can say, but why should he not draw attention to the pledge - it is going to come up, the Tories need to justify why it was either a stupid pledge they pretended was good, or why things are different now, they cannot pretend it did not exist, so it doesn't matter who brings it up.Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
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Proving the rule.Ishmael_Z said:
In the days of google, flagrant misstatements of that kind are unwise.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html0 -
Shows weakness, although those hit people who weren't exactly rich. Quite rightly as you move up the income scale sympathy can and should evaporate.AlastairMeeks said:
U-turns have been known in the past - cf cutting tax credits, disability benefit cuts.Scott_P said:
Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
In my mind these NIC changes < Tax Credit changes <<<<<<< Disability cuts in terms of 'ought to possibly consider reversing'.0 -
SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
Yes, it didn't do much to stop those sellafield workers earning £150k a year, paying it into a Ltd company. Paying themselves minimum wage, claiming tax credits and dumping much of the rest into pension funds. Of course that last little wheeze has been done away with.
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The White Van Tax will also hit lots of people who are far from rich*Pulpstar said:
Shows weakness, although those hit people who weren't exactly rich. Quite rightly as you move up the income scale sympathy can and should evaporate.AlastairMeeks said:
U-turns have been known in the past - cf cutting tax credits, disability benefit cuts.Scott_P said:
Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
*That is not to say it is an unfair measure, simply that it will have consequences and victims.0 -
Unless you count sheep from the neighbouring county there were sod all immigrants in the area.RobD said:
Immigration must just be a figment of his imagination then!Bojabob said:
One of the great social paradoxes. I was at a wedding over the summer in Northumberland where my wife's pissed uncle was enthusiastically regaling me with his reasons for voting Brexit – because of all the immigrants coming in. The only 'immigrants' as far as the eye could see were the handful of Londoners who attended the celebration.TOPPING said:
But London has no problem with immigration according to the Brexit vote demographics. It is only the areas with little or no immigration that dislike immigration so much.isam said:
London is swamped by immigration, but the people from England that choose to move there are ok with it, so let it be.TOPPING said:
I thought England was swamped by immigration and all those foreigners so that can't be right.isam said:
London, Scotland, and where English people live?AlastairMeeks said:
So it does - London, Scotland and the unwashed bits of England. How much more internationalist could you want?isam said:
Stop being such a little Englander! This site has an internationalist outlookAlastairMeeks said:
Should you wish to set up www.hungarianpoliticalbetting.com I will gladly hold forth at length about that country's many political defects.Tykejohnno said:
You really are Quite nasty,when are you selling up the house in hungary after the new law on asylum seekers or is it just this country you think is nasty on that issue.AlastairMeeks said:I can't honestly complain about the NI changes, though I expect they will clobber me.
It would be nice, however, to see the costs of Brexit put in part on the shoulders of those who voted for it. Where are the tax rises and spending cuts that affect yokels and coffin dodgers?
For now I'll just note that you think it nasty to expect the people who voted for a course of action to share some of the burden of the course of action they sought and not just to sponge off the people who were bitterly opposed to it.0 -
My brother and father are both self employed, I'll have to ask my Dad how it will affect them. My brother does actually have a white van !Bojabob said:
The White Van Tax will also hit lots of people who are far from rich*Pulpstar said:
Shows weakness, although those hit people who weren't exactly rich. Quite rightly as you move up the income scale sympathy can and should evaporate.AlastairMeeks said:
U-turns have been known in the past - cf cutting tax credits, disability benefit cuts.Scott_P said:
Is the budget not a confidence motion?AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
*That is not to say it is an unfair measure, simply that it will have consequences and victims.0 -
Absolute genius idea. Why only Sellafield, do workers develop accountancy superpowers there?notme said:SandyRentool said:
However, IR35 is a joke.Bojabob said:
Yes it is illegal as you would become ensnared by IR35 legislation – designed to stop 'freelancers' working for a single client.nunu said:
Uber, Amazon etc etc? They all use "self employed" . no it is not illegal.SouthamObserver said:I thought it was already illegal to claim self-employed status if you do most of your work for one company.
Yes, it didn't do much to stop those sellafield workers earning £150k a year, paying it into a Ltd company. Paying themselves minimum wage, claiming tax credits and dumping much of the rest into pension funds. Of course that last little wheeze has been done away with.0 -
I'd spend the first side of the paper arguing that a coalition Government by its nature leads to Government more closely aligned with the national interest than majority rule.MarqueeMark said:
David Cameron was a far better Coalition Prime Minister (five years) than he was a Conservative Prime Minister (one year).kle4 said:
He was PM for 6 years, not a bad run all things considered. And his party backed the promises, so unless all the current government who were in parliament then said it was crap at the time, they cannot criticise it for being obviously crap from the start. They would need to say why it is crap to continue with it now, not then. If they backed the policies of the leader then they cannot defend themselves now by saying they thought it crap from the start but were too loyal to say anything.MarqueeMark said:
No, just a crap Prime Minister - in that he couldn't hold onto his job long enough to deliver on it....williamglenn said:
People are just retweeting what he said before the election. Does it make him a c--t to have made that commitment?Tykejohnno said:David cameron has tweeted the tory pledge of no tax increase for five years -what a c--t.
It was also a crap thing to say in the first place, if it means you locked unfairness into the system for five years.
Discuss. Use both sides of the paper.
Then the second side asking how much of a different Cameron made given these constraints - concluding it's not as much as either his fan club or sworn enemies would like to think.
OK budget I thought - NICs raise seems aimed at Tory supporters. yes they can get away with whatever they like at the moment but thought they would protect the client base. . Real story is total absence of opposition from Labour, they aren't just a bad opposition they are a pointless one.0 -
Assuming a unified opposition, nope it only needs 8 MPs to rebel.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
It depends how many Tory MPs get bombarded by the self employed in the next few days.0 -
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Mr. Eagles, surely if it were that tight then the NI change would be abruptly thrown into the furnace?
(Unless one subscribes to a conspiracy theory that May would quite like an election against Corbyn).0 -
Are there restrictions on the HoC and/or HoL voting down stuff in Finance Bills?TheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming a unified opposition, nope it only needs 8 MPs to rebel.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
It depends how many Tory MPs get bombarded by the self employed in the next few days.
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Governments don't usually have the guts to say that was then, the situation is different now, so presumably it's either u turn incoming or they'll some how pretend this is not the same thing.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The opposition won't be unified will it though, Sinn Fein won't be showing up for starters - so you'll need to revise your numbers slightly. Will the DUP manage a full turnout against ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming a unified opposition, nope it only needs 8 MPs to rebel.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
It depends how many Tory MPs get bombarded by the self employed in the next few days.0 -
The Lords can't amend/hold up finance bills, but the Commons can.Ishmael_Z said:
Are there restrictions on the HoC and/or HoL voting down stuff in Finance Bills?TheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming a unified opposition, nope it only needs 8 MPs to rebel.AlastairMeeks said:Obvious question: does the government have the votes to get the NI changes through?
It depends how many Tory MPs get bombarded by the self employed in the next few days.
In the days of yore, prior to the FTPA, a budget was a vote of confidence issue, now it ain't.0
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