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I doubt the Japanese find their government's refugee policy " horrible " .edmundintokyo said:
Japan's refugee policy is horrible, but no, obviously it isn't the reason why I live here. Who chooses what country to live in based on its refugee policy? I mean apart from refugees.MonikerDiCanio said:
In 2016 Japan took a grand total of 28 refugees in the midst of a global refugee crisis ;
https://www.ft.com/content/528f996e-f1b4-11e6-8758-6876151821a6
No wonder you choose to live there.0 -
That's a very good point, thanks.Sean_F said:
They had a Muslim candidate in a seat with a big Muslim electorate, and the Iraq war was still a live issue. That flattered the Lib Dem score.JosiasJessop said:
But that's not the whole story. In 2010 the Lib Dems got 32%; in 2005 33%CarlottaVance said:
I'm making an early prediction: the Lib Dems should be looking for at least 25% in this constituency, particularly if it was heavily remain.
However much will depend on the state and strength of the local Lib Dem constituency party.
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It is filled with left-wing students not wealthy social democrats so Corbyn should hold on comfortablyRoger said:
In pre-Brexit Britain that might have sounded brutal....CarlottaVance said:
Life is about choices - she doesn't like the consequences of the one she made.Patrick said:This lady in 20 years seems to have failed to even apply for citizenship!
Gorton should be an interesting by election. It has the good the bad and the ugly.....
Manchester University the (old) Hacienda and the Etihad.
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If someone wants to return to the Commons (Ed, David,Tony), Gorton is about a safer bet as you are likely to get.0
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It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
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According to wikipedia, the name Gorton means "dirty farmstead".0
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There are a number of them, they have a variety of different opinions.MonikerDiCanio said:
I doubt the Japanese find their government's refugee policy " horrible " .edmundintokyo said:
Japan's refugee policy is horrible, but no, obviously it isn't the reason why I live here. Who chooses what country to live in based on its refugee policy? I mean apart from refugees.MonikerDiCanio said:
In 2016 Japan took a grand total of 28 refugees in the midst of a global refugee crisis ;
https://www.ft.com/content/528f996e-f1b4-11e6-8758-6876151821a6
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Another deportation story where emotions run high, but facts are scant. From the little I’ve read on the subject, she arrived from Mauritius with her mother and siblings and attempted to claim asylum on the grounds of an abusive family member back home. As with all these cases, it is the glacially slow process that adds to the heart ache as friends, local links and education are made in the interim.another_richard said:
IIRC it was said to be an abusive family situation.Sandpit said:
Why would someone from Mauritius apply for asylum in the UK - were the Mauritian government persecuting her for being their political opponent or was her life in danger if she returned there?another_richard said:
For example this case:Sean_F said:
There's no reason to believe that similar cases didn't occur at any stage after we introduced immigration controls for Commonwealth nationals.AlastairMeeks said:
What else can you conclude when the headbangers gleefully praise the deportation of a woman married to a British citizen since 1990, with children and a grandchild based here who are British citizens?Alanbrooke said:
it;s the way you tell them antifrank CarsonAlastairMeeks said:I'm sorry, I can't get too worked up about Ms Clennell. The Leave vote was a vote to be unpleasant to foreigners and to self-justify it as something else afterwards. Ms Clennell's deportation and the reaction to it by Leavers is entirely consistent with that.
The loss of the country's sense of decency is to be deeply sorrowed. But this is an instance of something that has already happened and not itself a watershed.
' An A-level student has been deported to Mauritius after a last-ditch bid to let her stay in the country was denied.
A judge at London's Law Courts refused to grant an emergency injunction to block the removal of Mauritian teenager Yashika Bageerathi from Britain.
The 19-year-old has now been sent back alone to her home country, separated from her mother and her siblings, after immigration authorities refused her claim for asylum.
The decision slaps down a high-profile campaign which had sought to reverse the decision to deport Ms Bageerathi, a promising student, before she was able to take her A-level exams. '
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595232/Mauritian-student-denied-asylum-despite-campaign-let-finish-A-levels-deported-tonight.html
Anyone want to check back to see who was or wasn't getting upset by that deportation.0 -
Come on Ed!!!Jonathan said:If someone wants to return to the Commons (Ed, David,Tony), Gorton is about a safer bet as you are likely to get.
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You make a very good point and one I'm sure the Scots will pick up onDecrepitJohnL said:
If Theresa May does not want to grant the SNP a second referendum, she should perhaps also refrain from ill-judged hostages to fortune like this: Prime Minister Theresa May has urged voters across Scotland to use the upcoming local elections to express their opposition to Scottish independence.HYUFD said:
She certainly won't grant any referendum until Brexit has been completed and the SNP win an overall majority at the next Holyrood elections with it in their manifesto (or at the bare minimum maintain the present majority with the Scottish Greens)Razedabode said:Theresa May braced for a second Scottish independence referendum https://t.co/kXBeVOHS8U https://t.co/6iui4dyxMh
Any idea how this will play out? Assuming refusing it will only fan the flames. Grant them the referendum and see what happens.
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/exclusive-theresa-may-urges-scots-use-local-elections-reject-independence
Hat-tip Carlotta earlier in this thread.0 -
Morning all
The Polling Matters survey tells us very little of which we weren't already aware.
As I said in my thread header yesterday afternoon (and thank you for the kind words), Corbyn is A problem but he's not THE problem for Labour. That being said, were he to be replaced with A.N Other or S.O Else, it's likely Labour would enjoy a polling uptick simply because those who were anti-Corbyn but pro-Labour would presumably feel able to return to back to the party.
The post-Corbyn Labour leader would obviously have to go through the traditional baptism of fire (more akin to being prodded with Klingon pain sticks) from the hostile media and the anti-Labour crowd on here but were that individual to emerge fairly unscathed, the pressure would be back on May.
May will have her own problems - she was ridden the wave of post 23/6 well and I'm happy to give her credit for that and Labour's implosion has aided her enormously but as we've seen from the business rates issue and the Surrey notareferendum, she faces pressures and I'm yet to be convinced she is willing to confront her own side. Indeed, all I see is the Government caving in to those groups willing to shout a lot.
The point about the business rates revaluation (arguably long overdue as is the revaluation of Council Tax bands but I can't imagine someone like May who wants everyone to like her, to be willing to tackle that little problem) is that it was meant to be part of the process of Government no longer funding local authorities. By getting access to local business rates as a source of income, Government was hoping to disengage from the funding of local authorities by 2019-20. Increasing business rates is part of plugging that funding gap but of course it was done in a cackhanded way and created anomalies which meant a big supermarket actually did quite well and the local shop very badly and we can imagine that went down like a lump of cold sick at many a Conservative MP's surgery.
Being responsive to public demand is part of Government - I get that - but the funding problems of local Government won't be solved if one of the main funding streams for local income isn't available. I suppose we could always charge the good people of England £20 per hour to park in the local car park.
Finally, RIP Sir Gerald Kaufmann. I wonder if "The Silent Men of Westminster" is on YouTube. I think I'll watch it again.
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There will be plenty of arch-Remainers, student or otherwise. 65% Labour Remainers (possibly higher in this seat) of 67% Labour vote gives around 45% potential targets for the LDS - not that it would be reasonable to expect them to get all of them.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
Also, I know realise that Swype managed to turn 'surely' into 'portobello'. It's done that before. Surprising with so mushroom on the keyboard.0 -
Don't write off the Greens. Those student types will be more easily swayed by the pro-remain greens rather than Corbyn's brexit-supporting Labour. The LD's will probably still be tainted by tuition fees/'enabling the tories' to win here, but the greens could provide a good fight.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
If the Greens can make it about brexit they should have a chance.0 -
I would think few doubt that abuses of the immigration system have been widespread and in many cases the Home Office make correct judgments. They may say, and others here have echoed the view, that they have followed the "rules".Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Our public sector has many Vogon type individuals working in it.JackW said:
Perhaps this lady has made errors but are we a nation that rigidly sticks to rules, is unbending and has a lack of compassion. I'd like to think not.
However in whose interests has it been that these rules have been enforced so rigidly? :
The family - clearly not and especially the British husband who has lost his carer and wife or the wider public and taxpayer who will have to provide care. Nor would I argue the Home Office that appear intransigent and heartless.
The winner is the "system" and all the jobsworths who sail in her and those that support them and opt for the "rules" at all costs at all times.0 -
Good idea. David or Tony and it probably comes with a free season ticket to the Etihad. Which reminds me the seat also has the Free Trade Hall famous for ......Jonathan said:If someone wants to return to the Commons (Ed, David,Tony), Gorton is about a safer bet as you are likely to get.
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On topic, this polling is a bit hard to read. I'd be surprised if as many as 24% thought Corbyn was the right person to lead Labour into an election from a "hope they win" point of view.
What we really need is some standard VI polling but with the alternatives to Corbyn named.0 -
My sources, Mr D, lead to suspect that some changes might be coming in publicity/PR, although probably not in the short term-due to contract problemsMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, my own interest is less than it was. I think it's a combination of the television coverage (and when it is on Channel 4 I can't watch anything pre- or post-race because Steve Jones grates), and the on-track issues (dominant Mercedes, new circuits being rubbish).
We'll have to see how the technical changes affect overtaking, and how close, or not, it is at the sharp end. At least if Mercedes are dominant, my Bottas tip will come off.0 -
That is a fair point, but it is utterly impossible for you, me or anyone not at the sharp end of the case to know whether it is appropriate for the exercise of compassion or not.JackW said:It seems to me that if common sense had prevailed and discretion that both the Home Office and government exercise day to day had been actioned, then this deportation would have been avoided as it should have been.
When Conservatives talk about the importance of the "family" and relatives taking a more important role in social care we might feel ourselves entitled to a wry smile.
Perhaps this lady has made errors but are we a nation that rigidly sticks to rules, is unbending and has a lack of compassion. I'd like to think not.0 -
No ... I think Lee Kuan Yew made the choice for them!Patrick said:
Some countries don't allow dual nationality. If people from those countries choose to marry elsewhere they are then forced into a choice of where they ultimately wish to end up. Not a choice they want - but a choice they face. They need to discuss this choice with family and friends in advance and make a mature considered decision.edmundintokyo said:
Aside from whether the rules are being correctly applied in this case, it's not obvious why it's in anyone's interests to force people to choose between looking after their parents when they get sick and looking after their spouse when they get sick later on.CarlottaVance said:Life is about choices - she doesn't like the consequences of the one she made.
I think the reasonable cause for disagreement here (if the case is being correctly reported) is whether the problem is these specific rules, the way the rules were applied, or whether the entire enterprise is a fool's errand.
I suspect Singapore takes this route because they are too small to be a viable 'fall back optoin' if their citizens leave but then wish to return later in life. In the freedom or living standards dilemma they chose living standards.0 -
That old chestnut, Edmund san. The numbers speak for themselves.edmundintokyo said:
There are a number of them, they have a variety of different opinions.MonikerDiCanio said:
I doubt the Japanese find their government's refugee policy " horrible " .edmundintokyo said:
Japan's refugee policy is horrible, but no, obviously it isn't the reason why I live here. Who chooses what country to live in based on its refugee policy? I mean apart from refugees.MonikerDiCanio said:
In 2016 Japan took a grand total of 28 refugees in the midst of a global refugee crisis ;
https://www.ft.com/content/528f996e-f1b4-11e6-8758-6876151821a6
No wonder you choose to live there.0 -
So the Daily Mail is reliable now, is it? Righto.Bromptonaut said:
When even the Daily Mail has a supportive article you know the PB Tories are out on their own.nielh said:
I dont think the full facts have been established on this case. Googling her and finding random stories on the internet is not the same as reading the home office files.Mortimer said:
A nation that pays far too much attention to buzzfeed, it would seem.Bromptonaut said:
She went back to look after her dying parents and until her deportation was caring for her husband.RobD said:
I thought it was established she hadn't lived in Britain for 30 years?Bromptonaut said:twitter.com/profanityswan/status/835922751256932352
What kind of nation have we become?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/a-grandmother-has-been-deported-with-just-ps12-in-her-pocket?utm_term=.qakEvYOgg#.pojejArOO
Individual immigration issues can be sad - but the rules are there for a reason. See last nighht's thread for far more even handed detail on this case.
The basic point is that even though she has a family here, 2 generations, and is caring for her ill british husband she is still being deported and that is what most people find outrageous. But the rules are the rules.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4190826/amp/Grandmother-married-Briton-27-years-deported.html
They were supportive of that Guantanamo inmate who trousered money and then joined IS. T
Usually best to find out the facts first and then come to a view.
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F1: oil pressure problem with McLaren, will take hours to fix.0
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King Cole, sounds about right. Only a year or two until F1 goes entirely of FTA TV in the UK.0
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27% students, 29% Muslim, 57% living in rented accomodation, should be ideal territory for Corbyn, though the students may be angry at his "betrayal" over Brexit. I expect that Muslims are much more dependable voters than students, and they probably aren't particularly exercised by Brexit, so it should be an easy Labour hold with Lib Dems second.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
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Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
He probably hadn't been fed for a couple of daysCarlottaVance said:In case anyone missed it:
https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/8361304749469245440 -
I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.0 -
The Labour-Tory swing is the important thing (For the model I'm developing). Which way will that be ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.0 -
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
That picture has been uploaded onto the PB server and will be used as the picture in future threads.CarlottaVance said:In case anyone missed it:
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I accept that reservation but on the balance of the evidence in the public domain I think it's fair to say we are not dealing with a marriage of convenience, internet bride or scam.Ishmael_Z said:
That is a fair point, but it is utterly impossible for you, me or anyone not at the sharp end of the case to know whether it is appropriate for the exercise of compassion or not.JackW said:It seems to me that if common sense had prevailed and discretion that both the Home Office and government exercise day to day had been actioned, then this deportation would have been avoided as it should have been.
When Conservatives talk about the importance of the "family" and relatives taking a more important role in social care we might feel ourselves entitled to a wry smile.
Perhaps this lady has made errors but are we a nation that rigidly sticks to rules, is unbending and has a lack of compassion. I'd like to think not.0 -
Mr. Eagles, massive enough for a yellow victory?0
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The only group which has swung to Labour since the last general election is green votersParistonda said:
Don't write off the Greens. Those student types will be more easily swayed by the pro-remain greens rather than Corbyn's brexit-supporting Labour. The LD's will probably still be tainted by tuition fees/'enabling the tories' to win here, but the greens could provide a good fight.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
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Agreed and if any group prioritises the class struggle over the EU it is left-wing studentsSean_F said:
27% students, 29% Muslim, 57% living in rented accomodation, should be ideal territory for Corbyn, though the students may be angry at his "betrayal" over Brexit. I expect that Muslims are much more dependable voters than students, and they probably aren't particularly exercised by Brexit, so it should be an easy Labour hold with Lib Dems second.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
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Lab to Con swing.Pulpstar said:
The Labour-Tory swing is the important thing (For the model I'm developing). Which way will that be ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.
There'll be a massive unwind of the personal vote. I suspect the swing will be more down to a major fall in the Lab share of the vote than a massive increase in the Tory share of the vote.0 -
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
Personally I think it's the wrong sort of seat for Ed Balls and I don't think he feels ready to come back either.Jonathan said:If someone wants to return to the Commons (Ed, David,Tony), Gorton is about a safer bet as you are likely to get.
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Unlikely.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, massive enough for a yellow victory?
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John McDonnell has issued an extraordinary warning to the Corbynite left that a “soft coup” is in progress to unseat Jeremy Corbyn. McDonnell accuses an alliance of Labour centrists and “the Murdoch media empire” of working “covertly” to undermine the leader, taking the unusual step of naming Sunday Times journalist James Lyons, suggesting Lyons has “regularly received leaks from within the Labour Party – usually used to attack Jeremy and his team“. The text appeared yesterday on the hard-left Labour Briefing website.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/27/mcdonnell-soft-coup-underway-murdoch-moderates-behind-plot/0 -
Surely not, it would break the swingometer.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, massive enough for a yellow victory?
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The alternative to fact based systems are ones that run on opinion which generate similar issues (Atos medical boarding, social care systems for children). The one advantage of a fact based system is that it is easier to administer.JackW said:
I would think few doubt that abuses of the immigration system have been widespread and in many cases the Home Office make correct judgments. They may say, and others here have echoed the view, that they have followed the "rules".Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Our public sector has many Vogon type individuals working in it.JackW said:
Perhaps this lady has made errors but are we a nation that rigidly sticks to rules, is unbending and has a lack of compassion. I'd like to think not.
However in whose interests has it been that these rules have been enforced so rigidly? :
The family - clearly not and especially the British husband who has lost his carer and wife or the wider public and taxpayer who will have to provide care. Nor would I argue the Home Office that appear intransigent and heartless.
The winner is the "system" and all the jobsworths who sail in her and those that support them and opt for the "rules" at all costs at all times.
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The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.peter_from_putney said:McDonnell: "The coup plotters are willing to sacrifice the Party at elections just to topple Jeremy and prevent a socialist leading the Party. It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections."
Pot, Kettle!
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.0 -
"There is a raging battle between Councillor Rabnawaz Akbar, Councillor Julie Reid and Councillor Luthfur Rahman to replace Sir Gerald, as they believe there could be a by-election very soon. Afzal Khan MEP is also positioning himself in the event of a vacancy but is trying to keep himself out of local arguments. Multiple very senior sources tell me that these local figures are running open campaigns. Rahman and Akbar are said to have a “poisonous” relationship."Pulpstar said:
The Labour-Tory swing is the important thing (For the model I'm developing). Which way will that be ?TheScreamingEagles said:I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.
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See also the video (3rd image down)TheScreamingEagles said:
That picture has been uploaded onto the PB server and will be used as the picture in future threads.CarlottaVance said:In case anyone missed it:
https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/836130474946924544
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2957633/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-takes-his-share-of-responsibility-for-losing-the-copeland-seat-to-the-tories-but-he-will-stay-on-as-leader-to-finish-the-job/
Brilliant trolling by the interviewer, who clearly picks up that Corbyn is close to exploding. Also unfortunate for Corbyn, the stil looks markedly madder than the video (which is still pretyy bonkers though. Corbyn 6/4 to go this year, with it being still only Feb, begins to look like value0 -
Mike's planning on using it, in one of those amusing pile ups, at one point yesterday we had six guest threads ready to use.Cyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.peter_from_putney said:McDonnell: "The coup plotters are willing to sacrifice the Party at elections just to topple Jeremy and prevent a socialist leading the Party. It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections."
Pot, Kettle!
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
We're two down, four to go.0 -
I was worried there for a moment that a new LibDem MP for Manchester Gorton would require the Auchentennach Fine Pie empire to branch out to the wilds of the land of the red shoes and fashion victims ....TheScreamingEagles said:
Unlikely.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, massive enough for a yellow victory?
Phew ....0 -
Mr. Song, a broken swing-o-meter does sound like a most terrible malady.0
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CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
That bit doesn't make sense to me. You don't normally apply for ILR. It is a status that comes from being resident for a period of time and meeting various other criteria. More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.
Immigration is Joseph Heller's Catch-22 in non-metaphor. So you apply for a temporary visa to stay permanently in the UK with your family. The immigration official knows this is your purpose and in principle doesn't have an objection to it, but if he suspects you will overstay your visa that means rejection. Another one: Immigration are on the lookout for those that will take jobs away from indigenous Brits and, above all, any sign that you might require welfare and other resources from the State. But the way you avoid falling back on the State is to have a job.
The UK Border Agency is inefficient, arbitrary and incompetent at levels that would surprise people who haven't come into contact with it. I don't know whether other countries' immigration "services" are just as bad. In my experience the UKBA isn't downright nasty, so I suppose that's something.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/25/senior-tories-plot-ruthless-push-30-labour-seats-north-copeland/
Political party 'plots' to gain seats. Next the Telegraph will have an exclusive on the sun rising in the morning.0 -
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
So many people wanting to write about AV!TheScreamingEagles said:
Mike's planning on using it, in one of those amusing pile ups, at one point yesterday we had six guest threads ready to use.Cyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.peter_from_putney said:McDonnell: "The coup plotters are willing to sacrifice the Party at elections just to topple Jeremy and prevent a socialist leading the Party. It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections."
Pot, Kettle!
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
We're two down, four to go.
Actually, there have been some great guest threads - thanks to all for taking the time to inform us and make us think.0 -
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
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Might not be on FTA , might find other means of reaching out.Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, sounds about right. Only a year or two until F1 goes entirely of FTA TV in the UK.
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Yes, I was joking ;-)HYUFD said:
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
Gorton would be a good seat for George Galloway to return triumphantly to Labour.HYUFD said:
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
I refer you to my comment at 9.37am.chestnut said:
The alternative to fact based systems are ones that run on opinion which generate similar issues (Atos medical boarding, social care systems for children). The one advantage of a fact based system is that it is easier to administer.JackW said:
I would think few doubt that abuses of the immigration system have been widespread and in many cases the Home Office make correct judgments. They may say, and others here have echoed the view, that they have followed the "rules".Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Our public sector has many Vogon type individuals working in it.JackW said:
Perhaps this lady has made errors but are we a nation that rigidly sticks to rules, is unbending and has a lack of compassion. I'd like to think not.
However in whose interests has it been that these rules have been enforced so rigidly? :
The family - clearly not and especially the British husband who has lost his carer and wife or the wider public and taxpayer who will have to provide care. Nor would I argue the Home Office that appear intransigent and heartless.
The winner is the "system" and all the jobsworths who sail in her and those that support them and opt for the "rules" at all costs at all times.
In many of these issues, the government and public sector are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It makes you wonder whether instead of all the man hours involved in deporting this woman that a Home Office bod couldn't at an early stage recognize the nature of this case and walk the family through the system.
However it seems as if the Home Office prefers to prosecute a worst case option rather than exercise a reasonable judgement for the benefit of a British family.0 -
King Cole, online options would be popular, and some would enjoy tailored packages (some people might only want races in a convenient timezone, for example).
Might well be contracts forbidding such things, though. Can't imagine Sky would be happy.0 -
Then raise the scarlet standard highCyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.peter_from_putney said:McDonnell: "The coup plotters are willing to sacrifice the Party at elections just to topple Jeremy and prevent a socialist leading the Party. It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections."
Pot, Kettle!
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
Beneath its folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
That always seems to me to have creepy undertones of "we'll string the cowards and traitors up from lampposts in due course".0 -
Agree that it won't be Blair.HYUFD said:
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'
I doubt he would like to fill in the register of interest with all his outside earnings.
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Does anyone know if Katherine Harris works for PWC?0
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There will be different people doing that job next year!TheScreamingEagles said:From a few days ago
https://twitter.com/PwC/status/8352064351055626240 -
Very unsporting to confront the Brexityoons with the consequences of their own 'logic', not to mention a thankless task.DecrepitJohnL said:
If Theresa May does not want to grant the SNP a second referendum, she should perhaps also refrain from ill-judged hostages to fortune like this: Prime Minister Theresa May has urged voters across Scotland to use the upcoming local elections to express their opposition to Scottish independence.HYUFD said:
She certainly won't grant any referendum until Brexit has been completed and the SNP win an overall majority at the next Holyrood elections with it in their manifesto (or at the bare minimum maintain the present majority with the Scottish Greens)Razedabode said:Theresa May braced for a second Scottish independence referendum https://t.co/kXBeVOHS8U https://t.co/6iui4dyxMh
Any idea how this will play out? Assuming refusing it will only fan the flames. Grant them the referendum and see what happens.
https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/exclusive-theresa-may-urges-scots-use-local-elections-reject-independence
Hat-tip Carlotta earlier in this thread.0 -
Certainly Galloway would be more likely to put his name forward than Blair in this seatMonikerDiCanio said:
Gorton would be a good seat for George Galloway to return triumphantly to Labour.HYUFD said:
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
I am not talking about Visitor's visas. If you come in on one of those and overstay you will be deported and blacklisted. It looks like Mrs Clennel fell between two stools: she no longer qualified for a Returning Resident Visa because she had a gap of over two years while her husband worked in Singapore and she looked after her parents, but for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.0 -
Of course the events of November 1990 in the Conservative Party are in no way similar, For years afterward, there was huge ill-will among Conservatives over what happened and what the Party did to Margaret Thatcher.Cyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
No, it's not a left-right thing at all - look at what happened to IDS. The right are more than capable of treachery and betrayal (as are all other parties).
I don't quite see the need to make it a theme about the "left".
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Not TB’s version thenIshmael_Z said:
Then raise the scarlet standard highCyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.peter_from_putney said:McDonnell: "The coup plotters are willing to sacrifice the Party at elections just to topple Jeremy and prevent a socialist leading the Party. It is more important to them that they regain control of the Party than it is to win elections."
Pot, Kettle!
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
Beneath its folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
That always seems to me to have creepy undertones of "we'll string the cowards and traitors up from lampposts in due course".
Don’t let that scarlet banner float
We need the middle classes vote
Although our ancient comrades sneer
We’ll stay in power for many a year.0 -
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
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I wonder why Waterhouse got demoted to lower case? (other than some ridiculously expensive branding exercise, of course....)TheScreamingEagles said:From a few days ago
https://twitter.com/PwC/status/8352064351055626240 -
Maybe. I'm guessing you haven't had intimate dealings with the UKBA!CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.0 -
Anyway, @rcs1000, this will be the first time in France that presidential candidates debate each other on TV before the first round, so I am not persuaded that the 2015 regionals are a suitable yardstick. This year's primaries, much more recent and in both of which non-favourites shone brightly in TV debates and then went on to win, are more useful. The only other such event was for the SP primary of 2011, in which that didn't happen, but that was long before Trump and this is now. Opinion is practically unanimous that Le Pen will crush Macron in any debate. For that reason, I think Hamon and Fillon and possibly even Mélenchon would have a better chance than Macron against Le Pen in the second round. Le Pen is nowhere near as much of a pariah as she was. Her campaign also outclasses her rivals on social media, as the Financial Times has warned. Playing the Nordic card suggests that Macron's advisers don't really get the Twitter era.
Something could happen to Le Pen, such as arrest and indictment. If she fits it into her narrative of telling the EU where to get off, that could strengthen her. Or it could destroy her chances. But the trolls won't be stood down. Dupont-Aignan may be a reserve.0 -
I have. Went to Lunar House in Croydon many times as my wife went through the hoops. The bottom line is - do what they ask when they ask and it will be fine. Fail to give the papers they ask for or do so late and it'll take forever. Oh...and apply for citizenship. Trying to spend your whole life in the arrivals lounge is not going to cut the mustard. They're jobsworths managing a process. Get with the process.FF43 said:
Maybe. I'm guessing you haven't had intimate dealings with the UKBA!CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
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#useapenstodge said:
Of course the events of November 1990 in the Conservative Party are in no way similar, For years afterward, there was huge ill-will among Conservatives over what happened and what the Party did to Margaret Thatcher.Cyclefree said:
The meme of betrayal is quite strong on the Left. I have written a thread on just this topic which OGH may or may not use.
For a fictional version see, for instance, A Very British Coup by Chris Mullin or the TV series G.B.H.
No, it's not a left-right thing at all - look at what happened to IDS. The right are more than capable of treachery and betrayal (as are all other parties).
I don't quite see the need to make it a theme about the "left".0 -
Yup, PwC milked it this year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38923750TheScreamingEagles said:From a few days ago
https://twitter.com/PwC/status/835206435105562624
Hilariously hubristic, though it was tough to see how they could f*ck it up. Until they did.0 -
I agree that's part of it. It's possible Mrs Clennell didn't follow the process, or got so hung up with trying to reclaim residence status she damaged her chances of starting anew. Previous rejections will count against her even if she meets criteria. Knowing how to play the system is important, having connections helps and maybe most important, luck.Patrick said:
I have. Went to Lunar House in Croydon many times as my wife went through the hoops. The bottom line is - do what they ask when they ask and it will be fine. Fail to give the papers they ask for or do so late and it'll take forever. Oh...and apply for citizenship. Trying to spend your whole life in the arrivals lounge is not going to cut the mustard. They're jobsworths managing a process. Get with the process.FF43 said:
Maybe. I'm guessing you haven't had intimate dealings with the UKBA!CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.0 -
Miss Universe 2016tlg86 said:This is like the time Kimi Raikkonen was declared the winner of the 2003 Brazilian Grand Prix, but then had to hand it over to Giancarlo Fisichella the following week because the FIA had calculated correctly who was leading at the last complete lap before the race was red flagged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKDaSd-4nY0 -
Perhaps so and the family may have made all sorts of mistakes over the years.CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
However to my mind the essence of this story is whether their marriage of 27 years is a scam and should government agencies be there in the interests of their citizens both as individuals and in collective greater good.
Epic fail from the Home Office.0 -
Indeed I have. From permission to stay, to indefinite leave to remain, to citizenship. Follow the system and it works. Cut corners or ignore the rules and you may end up in trouble. What we have now is one side of a story and the UKBA unable to comment. Forgive me if I'm a little sceptical that we've had the whole story.....FF43 said:
Maybe. I'm guessing you haven't had intimate dealings with the UKBA!CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.0 -
but what about Muslim students........Sean_F said:
27% students, 29% Muslim, 57% living in rented accomodation, should be ideal territory for Corbyn, though the students may be angry at his "betrayal" over Brexit. I expect that Muslims are much more dependable voters than students, and they probably aren't particularly exercised by Brexit, so it should be an easy Labour hold with Lib Dems second.HYUFD said:
It is studentville central, can't see that many swapping Corbyn for FarronEssexit said:
They'll be more than cancelled out by Lab-Lib defections, surely. The Greens will portobello lose second place though.HYUFD said:
Given Corbyn can squeeze the Green vote who came second in 2015 and it is full of students Manchester Gorton could even produce a rare pro Labour swing, it is an ideal by election for Corbyn after the Copeland disasterDixie said:
Corbyn would definitely go. Labour will win, I bet any money.dr_spyn said:If Labour fail to win Gorton, I would hope Corbyn would be finished. The downside might be wall to wall coverage of Tim Farron hiring a larger minibus.
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What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/8361534544311992370 -
Good grief! Got a 'Stop the War' rally to attend?TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/836153454431199237
At least it confirms (if any doubt remained) what he thinks of the PLP.....0 -
Presumably it's Jeremy Corbyn's day off in lieu.0
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That must be a spoof, surely?AlastairMeeks said:John McDonnell is indulging in conspiracy theories:
http://labourbriefing.squarespace.com/home/2017/2/26/the-soft-coup-is-under-way
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.0 -
How dare you and the PLP challenge the supreme leader.TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/836153454431199237
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That's scarily plausible. Not likely, but plausible.MonikerDiCanio said:
Gorton would be a good seat for George Galloway to return triumphantly to Labour.HYUFD said:
Almost certainly not, Blair is also enjoying his millions and despises Corbyn Labour and this is one seat which in a straight Blair v Green contest the Green candidate could winlogical_song said:
Ed is of course already an MP, so it's Tony then?HYUFD said:
Doubt even that majority would tempt David Miliband given the big pay cut and move from Manhattan it would entail plus it is Corbynista central and not ideally suited for Balls eitherlogical_song said:
Imagine the Gorton Labour constituency selection committee.CarlottaVance said:
'Thank you Mr Balls, please tell Mr Blair to come in and ask both Mr Milibands to stand by.'0 -
Presumably because he has Monday off, if he has worked on Sunday doing TV interviews.FrancisUrquhart said:
How dare you and the PLP challenge the supreme leader.TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/8361534544311992370 -
That jam won't make itself!rottenborough said:
Presumably because he has Monday off, if he has worked on Sunday doing TV interviews.FrancisUrquhart said:
How dare you and the PLP challenge the supreme leader.TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/8361534544311992370 -
How on Earth can there now not be a challenge over the summer? Corbyn looks like he's completely lost the plot. As @stodge said in yesterday's thread, the government need a functioning opposition who at least look like they're a government-in-waiting. This shambles don't have any policies and don't have any serious personalities.TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/8361534544311992370 -
But McDonnell’s article was written about a week ago, before the Copeland defeat. It was prompted by Tony Blair’s speech on Brexit and Lord Mandelson’s admission that he tries to undermine Corbyn every day. A spokesman for McDonnell said that this article “does not represent [McDonnell’s] current view”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/27/lords-article-50-bill-debate-gordon-brown-leads-tributes-to-gerald-kaufman-politics-live?page=with:block-58b3f844e4b05f755cc0cd70#block-58b3f844e4b05f755cc0cd700 -
There is a wider lesson for anyone who cares to take note of it. The SNP do not speak for Scotland. At worst, they speak for less than half of it. Admittedly, what they lack in numbers, they compensate for in volume and arrogance. But it is a profound mistake for anybody trying to do “the right thing for Scotland” to listen only to demands being made by the ascendant minority.
That point has urgent application in the context of drum-beating for a second referendum on independence. While all the manoeuvring in preparation for such an announcement provides interminable media fodder, it is much more difficult for the majority who have absolutely no desire for such an event to make themselves heard. The mistake would be to discount them.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/brian-wilson-westminster-should-kick-out-indyref2-1-43755060 -
He admits writing it, but says it was last week and he's changed his mind since!Richard_Nabavi said:
That must be a spoof, surely?AlastairMeeks said:John McDonnell is indulging in conspiracy theories:
http://labourbriefing.squarespace.com/home/2017/2/26/the-soft-coup-is-under-way
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.0 -
What do you mean no policies...21st century socialism..It's like failed 1970s socialism but with added pandering to terrorists.Sandpit said:
How on Earth can there now not be a challenge over the summer? Corbyn looks like he's completely lost the plot. As @stodge said in yesterday's thread, the government need a functioning opposition who at least look like they're a government-in-waiting. This shambles don't have any policies and don't have any serious personalities.TheScreamingEagles said:What a coward. He needs to sack up. He can't do this during a general election
https://twitter.com/samhaqitv/status/8361534544311992370 -
The PLP's problem stems back to Owen Thingy's challenge last year. Now Corbyn has had (And will have perhaps in May) poor actual election results, it would be the ideal time to give it a go.
But they've given it a go once, and although they are entitled and probably should give it another push the utterly dire candidate and timing the first time round damages their ability to do so a second time.0 -
Does it adjoin Withington?TheScreamingEagles said:I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.0 -
It should have been delivered as an impromptu straight to camera monologue.isam said:
He admits writing it, but says it was last week and he's changed his mind since!Richard_Nabavi said:
That must be a spoof, surely?AlastairMeeks said:John McDonnell is indulging in conspiracy theories:
http://labourbriefing.squarespace.com/home/2017/2/26/the-soft-coup-is-under-way
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.0 -
Yup, Withington is next door, to the South West of Gorton.Roger said:
Does it adjoin Withington?TheScreamingEagles said:I know Rusholme/Gorton very well.
If they hold the by election in May, I'm calling it now, massive Lab to LD swing now.
Plenty of Lib Dems to flood into Gorton.0 -
The former Home Secretary and current Prime Minister had six years to sort something out. Regardless of this case, and Brexit too, I've yet to be convinced Theresa May feels very strongly about immigration one way or the other. If she does, then she probably does not have a good solution.CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.0 -
I think that's right. Meeting the criteria isn't good enough. You have to know how to play the system. As always, those who are educated and well connected will succeed where ordinary people who think, why wouldn't they give me a visa, won't. Even so, you need luck. Decisions are very arbitrary,JackW said:
Perhaps so and the family may have made all sorts of mistakes over the years.CarlottaVance said:
She's had 18 years to sort something out......FF43 said:
for reasons that haven't been revealed, she didn't get a Family of a Settled Person visa either.CarlottaVance said:
As a Singaporean she can come to the UK without a visaFF43 said:
More likely she applied for temporary entry visas, which were turned down.CarlottaVance said:
Most of the accounts are omitting non-trivial details.
Arrived UK 1988
Married 1992 - granted indefinite leave to remain - provided she did 'remain'
1993 - left UK
1999 - returned to UK - 'indefinite leave to remain' had lapsed as she had not done what she'd said she'd do and 'remained'
1999 - applied for indefinite leave to remain - has been turned down multiple times.
When you apply for 'indefinite leave to remain' its made very clear that you do have to 'remain' and prolonged absences - a couple of years, say - would lead to it being revoked - she was out for six.
However to my mind the essence of this story is whether their marriage of 27 years is a scam and should government agencies be there in the interests of their citizens both as individuals and in collective greater good.
Epic fail from the Home Office.0
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