Alanbrooke said:

hmm

depends if people can be arsed to vote for him, he has the weakest support base of the lot

seems a bit of a gobshite

He's level of committed support is exactly the same as Hamon's which reflects the fact that traditional PS voters are wrestling with their loyalties. As election day approaches, expect Macron's vote to solidify.

I must admit that when I made that comment I wasn't thinking about white collar crime, just various people that I've worked with or known socially.
Edit: buggered up the snipping. This is a response to CF not me trying to put words in her mouth.

Dixie said:

Brom said:

LordWakefield said:

Dixie said:

Update from Copeland: Labour in the pub; Tories smiling like having had a mild orgasm. In Stoke, UKIP incommunicado. I.E., f*cked.

Your ramping is more obvious than what goes on on the Betfair Forum. I suppose once you've clear out your positions the information will dry up.

Yep, does sound like Billy Bullshit has got a login.

I thought this site was about politics and betting. Apologies if passing on information is a bit of a drag. Nobody knows the outcome. I'm just passing it on. I also apologise for knowing senior people in 3 parties who are happy to talk to me. I must ask them to stop. What shall we discuss? The weather?

No, it's interesting, with all due reservations. Carry on!

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

twitter.com/Brexit/status/834815178642436096

Implying we've built up zero assets while in the EU. What about that ridiculous egg project in Brussels, don't we own 1/28th of that?

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/834815178642436096

What a tool.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Is that all - why not ask for 100 billion. The idea we will pay blackmail sums to leave is only for remainers dreamland

The idea is that the Brexiteers will call them all 'tools', the negotiations go nowhere, and the dream of the German car industry imposing a velvet divorce with lots of goodies for Britain will be exposed as a fantasy.

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

Yes, the silly bu**ers.
And they probably render Esquimaux as Eskimos too.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

twitter.com/Brexit/status/834815178642436096

Implying we've built up zero assets while in the EU. What about that ridiculous egg project in Brussels, don't we own 1/28th of that?

Last year before the referendum I did point out we'd be supplicants in any Brexit deal.

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/834828984076627969

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

twitter.com/Brexit/status/834815178642436096

Implying we've built up zero assets while in the EU. What about that ridiculous egg project in Brussels, don't we own 1/28th of that?

Last year before the referendum I did point out we'd be supplicants in any Brexit deal.

twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/834828984076627969

Yeah, that is the other extreme. No doubt we'll land somewhere in the middle.

williamglenn said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Our share of EU assets should be in proportion to our contribution.

They can settle their bill in human capital by not recalling their bankers from the City.

Now you're being a tool. Bankers don't want to go to sodding Frankfurt...and they don't work for the EU or member governments.

chestnut said:

Offset the NATO shortfall from the EU nations.

The largest share of NATO's direct funding in Europe is from Germany and France. I suppose they can redirect it to EU defence...

Mr. NorthWales, if a modicum of sense prevails, I agree.

notme said:

RobD said:

williamglenn said:

chestnut said:

Offset the NATO shortfall from the EU nations.

The largest share of NATO's direct funding in Europe is from Germany and France. I suppose they can redirect it to EU defence...

$300 and $220mn.. an eye-watering amount of money, I'm sure you'd agree (we are on $200mn)

We put less into NATO than France or Germany?

In terms of direct funding, yes.

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

I think that's American Bloomberg rather than him!

The language issue is amusing, actually. When Britain withdraws, English will no longer be the first languag eof any EU stte (Ireland decided to go nqationalist and claim they only spoke Gaelic). That means in principle that there will no longer be any official translations into English (which would be very bad news for me personally as a translator), unless Ireland says well, um, actually we do mostly speak English (embarassing).

In principle this would be a nuisance for countries like Denmark whose politicians are very comfortable in English. And it'd be a big nuisance for business - probably an unofficial inustry in translation would spring up for anything with commercial relevance.

Pong (in 2020) said:

Do you remember the stoke central byelection? When the tories actually had a chance of winning in the industrial heartlands?"

I'm calling peak PB tory.

It's unlikely to get better than this for the blue team.

“There has been no problem whatever… with any of the British nationals who have been released from Guantanamo Bay, who, in fact, have made a commendable contribution to arguments for justice and for closing it down.” - Mr J. Corbyn of Islington

Pong said:

Pong (in 2020) said:

Do you remember the stoke central byelection? When the tories actually had a chance of winning in the industrial heartlands?"

I'm calling peak PB tory.

It's unlikely to get better than this for the blue team.

Nonsense.

Con gain Bootle if the blues take Copeland tonight by 4,000

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

I think that's American Bloomberg rather than him!

The language issue is amusing, actually. When Britain withdraws, English will no longer be the first languag eof any EU stte (Ireland decided to go nqationalist and claim they only spoke Gaelic). That means in principle that there will no longer be any official translations into English (which would be very bad news for me personally as a translator), unless Ireland says well, um, actually we do mostly speak English (embarassing).

In principle this would be a nuisance for countries like Denmark whose politicians are very comfortable in English. And it'd be a big nuisance for business - probably an unofficial inustry in translation would spring up for anything with commercial relevance.

This is absolute nonesense. For EU (not domestic) purposes, Ireland's main EU language has been English since 1973. They added Irish in 2007, but not all documents have to be translated into it in recognition that it's a total waste of time and money.

I also fail to see how the UK leaving would automatically lead to English ceasing to be one of the 3 main working languages. Eastern Europe and the Med would be utterly opposed, as shown by the farrago over the EU patent court.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pong said:

Pong (in 2020) said:

Do you remember the stoke central byelection? When the tories actually had a chance of winning in the industrial heartlands?"

I'm calling peak PB tory.

It's unlikely to get better than this for the blue team.

Nonsense.

Con gain Bootle if the blues take Copeland tonight by 4,000

If Con gain Bootle, what will be the new "Con gain Bootle"?

Monksfield said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

williamglenn said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Is that all - why not ask for 100 billion. The idea we will pay blackmail sums to leave is only for remainers dreamland

The idea is that the Brexiteers will call them all 'tools', the negotiations go nowhere, and the dream of the German car industry imposing a velvet divorce with lots of goodies for Britain will be exposed as a fantasy.

The hysteria around comments on Brexit are entirely predictable from both sides. In the end a deal will be done, both the EU and the UK cannot afford not to agree

You're so deluded. They CAN afford it. We can't. Wake up!

They are the ones with a huge hole in their budget!

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pong said:

Pong (in 2020) said:

Do you remember the stoke central byelection? When the tories actually had a chance of winning in the industrial heartlands?"

I'm calling peak PB tory.

It's unlikely to get better than this for the blue team.

Nonsense.

Con gain Bootle if the blues take Copeland tonight by 4,000

If Con gain Bootle, what will be the new "Con gain Bootle"?

Con gain Islington North

Doesn't have the same ring to it...

Con gain Scotland?

alex. said:

Con gain Scotland?

Three seats there I think.

I have had a shit week this week: I was working late on Job One every day and I was freelancing last night until 4am, so not in good mood. I have done no work wrt Stoke or Copeland and I have no idea who will win. As I have no position to hedge (it's not going to move GBP) and I have no idea who's going to win, there's no point in betting. So I won't be betting on Stoke/Copeland, so apologies for being the wussiest wussy wuss that ever wussed. I hope you all win money tonight.

Pulpstar said:

alex. said:

Con gain Scotland?

Three seats there I think.

Gain Scotland, not gain in Scotland

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

(Ireland decided to go nqationalist and claim they only spoke Gaelic).

Ha. I imagine the response was "...sure you do". translated into 20 languages.

Apparently Sky News's election show will be based in Stoke tonight, not Copeland as someone implied earlier.

Scott_P said:

AndyJS said:

Apparently Sky News's election show will be based in Stoke tonight, not Copeland as someone implied earlier.

@BethRigby: One train, one car, eight hours later, we've #MadeittoCopeland. Join us for our special by-election coverage with @adamboultonSKY from 10pm

Bit of a conflict of information, in that case.

I'm still predicting Ukip to come second in Stoke.

Also still just about sticking to Labour holding Copeland, although possibly chickening out of my prediction of a swing to Lab.

NickPalmer said:

RoyalBlue said:

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

I think that's American Bloomberg rather than him!

The language issue is amusing, actually. When Britain withdraws, English will no longer be the first languag eof any EU stte (Ireland decided to go nqationalist and claim they only spoke Gaelic). That means in principle that there will no longer be any official translations into English (which would be very bad news for me personally as a translator), unless Ireland says well, um, actually we do mostly speak English (embarassing).

In principle this would be a nuisance for countries like Denmark whose politicians are very comfortable in English. And it'd be a big nuisance for business - probably an unofficial inustry in translation would spring up for anything with commercial relevance.

This is absolute nonesense. For EU (not domestic) purposes, Ireland's main EU language has been English since 1973. They added Irish in 2007, but not all documents have to be translated into it in recognition that it's a total waste of time and money.

Not for long. Irish will be used for ALL EU documents from 2021:

http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-370204.htm

On the wider issue, there's a discussion here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/european-commission-rejects-claims-english-will-not-be-eu-language-1.2702734 It's pretty clear that English will still be used, but it's possible that it will swap places with Irish and only used for primary legislation. I hope you're right and this won't happen, though.

Given how widely it is used as a second language, how can it make any sense to not translate things into English even if the Irish are going to pretend it is not their main language? It would be a chance with no benefits, surely?

kle4 said:

NickPalmer said:

RoyalBlue said:

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

First EU head of state/government to publicly back to €60bn Brexit bill figure.

To add insult to injury he calls it a 'check'. The common language of the EU will be American.

I think that's American Bloomberg rather than him!

The language issue is amusing, actually. When Britain withdraws, English will no longer be the first languag eof any EU stte (Ireland decided to go nqationalist and claim they only spoke Gaelic). That means in principle that there will no longer be any official translations into English (which would be very bad news for me personally as a translator), unless Ireland says well, um, actually we do mostly speak English (embarassing).

In principle this would be a nuisance for countries like Denmark whose politicians are very comfortable in English. And it'd be a big nuisance for business - probably an unofficial inustry in translation would spring up for anything with commercial relevance.

This is absolute nonesense. For EU (not domestic) purposes, Ireland's main EU language has been English since 1973. They added Irish in 2007, but not all documents have to be translated into it in recognition that it's a total waste of time and money.

Not for long. Irish will be used for ALL EU documents from 2021:

http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-370204.htm

On the wider issue, there's a discussion here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/european-commission-rejects-claims-english-will-not-be-eu-language-1.2702734 It's pretty clear that English will still be used, but it's possible that it will swap places with Irish and only used for primary legislation. I hope you're right and this won't happen, though.

Given how widely it is used as a second language, how can it make any sense to not translate things into English even if the Irish are going to pretend it is not their main language? It would be a chance with no benefits, surely?

I've said before India is probably a model. The Raj ended but English didn't primarily one assumes. because it suddenly attained neutral status.

dixiedean said:

rkrkrk said:

John Boehner says republicans will not repeal and replace Obama care....

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/john-boehner-obamacare-republicans-235303

No great surprise there. Despite years of sloganeering about "repeal and replace", an actual plan to replace has not been forthcoming. That leaves just repeal, which means millions lose coverage, and many, many lost votes.

Recent Town Hall events have been brutal for the GOP - I saw some of Tom Cotton's TH in Arkansas last night. People are very angry about the ACA. Midterms approaching.

New thread!

AndyJS said:

I understand JohnLoony is predicting an 863 vote Labour majority in Copeland.

I think he predicted 650 Con MP's in the last GE. I think he probably forgot the Speaker...

rottenborough said:

viewcode said:

I have had a shit week this week: I was working late on Job One every day and I was freelancing last night until 4am, so not in good mood. I have done no work wrt Stoke or Copeland and I have no idea who will win. As I have no position to hedge (it's not going to move GBP) and I have no idea who's going to win, there's no point in betting. So I won't be betting on Stoke/Copeland, so apologies for being the wussiest wussy wuss that ever wussed. I hope you all win money tonight.

Oh dear, sorry to hear of your woes. Wuss away!!

Thank you

Or then again it might....