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That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
LOL. So someone who is actually directly involved in selling across the EU points out the fallacy of your argument and all you can say is you will 'carry on'?surbiton said:
Good. Stay with your interpretation. Meanwhile, the rest of us will carry on........SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:
Yep - the deals are all subject to European law. Before the single market, for example, the period of copyright authors enjoyed was different in different in European countries. Now it has been harmonised (to the German standard - life plus 70 years).david_herdson said:SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer not to treat the EU27 as some monolithic blob - you, of course, are at liberty to do as you please. Our major trading partners are the USA, China, Germany, France, Norway and the Netherlands. We can toss Belgium, Italy and Spain in for good measure. We run a trade surplus with the USA & a tiny surplus with the RoI. The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
A book that will sell well in Germany won't do so good in Spain. France is always notoriously hard to predict - like Japan. Italy is known for hating books set in Italy, written by foreigners. The Dutch buy books in English, making translation rights much smaller than you'd expect. And so on,
Indeed I took all this on board when writing THE FIRE CHILD. Ice Twins did really well in Germany and doing really well in Germany (the world's 2nd most lucrative book market) means big bucks. So I set THE FIRE CHILD in Cornwall because Germans love books set in Cornwall.
Right now The Fire Child ("Stiefkind"), is in the German top 20, where it has been for eight weeks in a row, peaking at number 7.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.0 -
You could have read about it in the press:surbiton said:
I had never heard before that "financial services" were going anyway. You bankers kept it quiet.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3432339/Credit-Suisse-axe-4-000-jobs-1-6bn-loss-Lender-London-operations-Poland-Dublin.html (Credit Suisse)
https://www.ft.com/content/731b97ab-88c6-3289-a615-285c94459f94 (BNP Paribas)
https://www.ft.com/content/1df9e49c-a153-11e4-8d19-00144feab7de (UBS and BNY Mellon)0 -
As it is a Sunday the outrage bus is probably providing a rail replacement service due to engineering work.isam said:
The outrage bus passengers already hypocritically did thatSandyRentool said:So if Blair was Bush's pet poodle, should we be describing May as Trump's pet pussy?
Anyway, I've signed the petition in order to embarrass the government.0 -
They moved to the US quite late when they were in their teens. I thought the list was extensive enough to make the point.surbiton said:
You missed out the Georgian brothers ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
Sixth form politics from the sixth formers.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Lib Dem leader @timfarron tells me the offer of a state visit to the UK for Donald Trump should be withdrawn #Ridge
So that's Corbyn and Farron. Expect Nicola soon0 -
now 38,500 have shown their virtue.0
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Does he ever take his jacket off?surbiton said:
Why are Trump's ties so long ? What is he hiding ?murali_s said:
Just another "alternative fact"!Scott_P said:@vincentmoss: Re "Trump doesn't like holding handrails" re May hand-holding, hacks who swallowed that guff should check footage as he gets off planes
https://twitter.com/vincentmoss/status/825643990657675264
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The constituency breakdowns on the petitions are often revealing:MarqueeMark said:
Another example of willy-waving by the impotent....williamglenn said:
It's petition time again...Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Lib Dem leader @timfarron tells me the offer of a state visit to the UK for Donald Trump should be withdrawn #Ridge
So that's Corbyn and Farron. Expect Nicola soon
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Scunthorpe 4
Thurrock 12
Amber Valley 17
Cannock 17
Copeland 19
Nuneaton 20
Stoke Central 24
Bolton W 24
...
Hornsey 320
Hackney N 319
Hackney S 315
Islington N 321
Deptford 279
Dulwich 269
Bristol W 273
Brighton P 269
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Nicola might be reluctant to call for the invitation to be withdrawn given her administration's attempts to cosy up to the Chinese.MaxPB said:
Sixth form politics from the sixth formers.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Lib Dem leader @timfarron tells me the offer of a state visit to the UK for Donald Trump should be withdrawn #Ridge
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You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
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Are you advocating banning religion entirely? For all that I am a staunch atheist I am really not sure that would go down too well in the Bible Belt.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
Were they Georgians? Aren't Georgians predominantly Christian?Richard_Tyndall said:
They moved to the US quite late when they were in their teens. I thought the list was extensive enough to make the point.surbiton said:
You missed out the Georgian brothers ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?
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The 2 best tennis players of all time are serving up what might be one last classic down under.0
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63% of the 44% who voted Sindy is about 28% of the Scottish electorate.TheScreamingEagles said:Among those who backed independence in 2014, 21% oppose an independent Scotland seeking to join the EU while 63% are in favour and 17% don’t know.
So, Sturgeon's "leave the UK, join the EU" double stance is supported by barely a quarter of Scots.0 -
There is also a list of US mass-murderers with Christian backgrounds.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?
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What I had in mind was that they were also not from the 7 notorious countries. So far, I am not aware of any acts of terrorism from citizens of these 7 countries.Richard_Tyndall said:
They moved to the US quite late when they were in their teens. I thought the list was extensive enough to make the point.surbiton said:
You missed out the Georgian brothers ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?
Why did he not ban Saudis ? Answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This ban had nothing to do with terrorism. It is simply to let the WWC know that he was keeping his promise. Gradually it will go away, just like the wall will not be built apart from near big cities. Congress will not authorise $15bn.0 -
Why would you think I was advocating that?Richard_Tyndall said:
Are you advocating banning religion entirely? For all that I am a staunch atheist I am really not sure that would go down too well in the Bible Belt.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
Time to review our intelligence sharing arrangements with the US.
5 eyes should become 4.
Increased security cooperation with our European allies who share our values would make sense, too.0 -
Sorry I see your point. But no they were not from Georgia. They were from Kyrgyzstan.SouthamObserver said:
Were they Georgians? Aren't Georgians predominantly Christian?Richard_Tyndall said:
They moved to the US quite late when they were in their teens. I thought the list was extensive enough to make the point.surbiton said:
You missed out the Georgian brothers ?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
Politician's hav erealised they should stick to the rigged Westminster elections, where a handful of seats decide what happens rather than trust in a democratic vote where you actually get what people really want.Jobabob said:
There will be no more UK wide referendums - the one good consequence of the Brexit vote. We are a representative democracy, and the EU referendum should never been allowed to happen.Fysics_Teacher said:On topic, I'm with Mr Eagles on this one: in fact I would be amazed if there were another national (as opposed to local) referendum in the U.K. in my lifetime.
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That did really unpleasant things to my stomach.SeanT said:OMG.
Ideal viewing for anyone with vertigo.
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So what?SouthamObserver said:
There is also a list of US mass-murderers with Christian backgrounds.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?0 -
Perhaps there is a correlation between how well the country is doing and the amount of spare time available to Liberal Lefties to engage in displacement activity.dr_spyn said:That Trump Petition has large numbers of signatures in Bristol, Brighton, Cambridge, Norwich Oxford. Good to see students taking life seriously.
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Nonsense - I can't stand Trump, and I can't stand virtue signallers. Last night's fuss over why hasn't the PM condemned Trump for his EO, was a load of piss and wind.SouthamObserver said:
You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
Trump so far hasn't tortured any Muslims, unlike Ergodan who has cracked heads, and sat back as lynching were carried out in Istanbul.
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Sounds like they may need to keep more of their plumbers thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
The Polish government is currently out on maneouvres, the DPM's statement is part of that. At the moment it's principally back end, and the jobs are moving from France and Germany as well as the UK - see for example BNP Paribas and Credit Suisse. Having been to Warsaw recently, I'm not surprised. A much more modern city than I was expecting.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
http://www.tol.org/client/article/26653-poland-brexit-banks-relocate-wroclaw.html
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On the other hand, there are those, who voted NO last time might vote YES this time. You know old fogies die !chestnut said:
63% of the 44% who voted Sindy is about 28% of the Scottish electorate.TheScreamingEagles said:Among those who backed independence in 2014, 21% oppose an independent Scotland seeking to join the EU while 63% are in favour and 17% don’t know.
So, Sturgeon's "leave the UK, join the EU" double stance is supported by barely a quarter of Scots.
It's called the churn.0 -
More like we have to keep some of their plumbers who have come here.felix said:
Sounds like they may need to keep more of their plumbers thenTheWhiteRabbit said:
The Polish government is currently out on maneouvres, the DPM's statement is part of that. At the moment it's principally back end, and the jobs are moving from France and Germany as well as the UK - see for example BNP Paribas and Credit Suisse. Having been to Warsaw recently, I'm not surprised. A much more modern city than I was expecting.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
http://www.tol.org/client/article/26653-poland-brexit-banks-relocate-wroclaw.html0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_visits_received_by_Queen_Elizabeth_II
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has had four - the last one being 30 October – 1 November 2007.
Wasn't that when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister ?
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And young idiots become old fogies and change their views. It's called growing up.surbiton said:
On the other hand, there are those, who voted NO last time might vote YES this time. You know old fogies die !chestnut said:
63% of the 44% who voted Sindy is about 28% of the Scottish electorate.TheScreamingEagles said:Among those who backed independence in 2014, 21% oppose an independent Scotland seeking to join the EU while 63% are in favour and 17% don’t know.
So, Sturgeon's "leave the UK, join the EU" double stance is supported by barely a quarter of Scots.
It's called the churn.0 -
Just that she had been in the air for a very long time over the last few days, last night she wouldn't have had full access to the details of the story, so she was right not to make off the cuff remarks to satisfy the 24hr news junkiesRoyalBlue said:
What did he say?isam said:Everyones favourite, Janan Ganesh, very sensible comments re May on Sunday Politics
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You have been weirdly obsessed with me since you arrived on PB - once wishing me dead and, on another occasion, threatening me with violence via your thug "mates in Canning Town" for daring to declare myself a Londoner. Save your sinister kisses for someone who wants them and leave me in peace.isam said:
Just pointing out that he has been saying for years what you are saying today, wondered if you had seen it. No need to be tetchy just because I tease you sometimes xJobabob said:
You mention this bus an awafulMortimer said:
Directors of the Outrage Bus Co. are making a fortune...dr_spyn said:Woke up to find Theresa May hasn't resigned, Donald Trump is still President, and Jeremy Corbyn has almost split Labour in two over Article 50. What else did I miss?
Yes, Dawkins is right. What's your point?isam said:Jobabob said:@OldKingCole
The point is children have no religion - ascribing religious views to young children is as absurd as ascribing political views to them. "Marxist six-year-olds are welcome at our school."
copyright R.DawkinsJobabob said:@OldKingCole
The point is children have no religion - ascribing religious views to young children is as absurd as ascribing political views to them. "Marxist six-year-olds are welcome at our school."
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If we'd indulge my hobby for a second, I have had an opportunity to take a proper look at the effect of revisions on the public finances and the ability of the government to meet the OBR's forecast for the financial year.
Total revisions to the current financial year (that is, the initial estimate for each month compared to the current estimate of the year to date were £5.3 billion, effectively reducing the deficit by 10% - though of course it represents a much smaller percentage of total income or expenditure. As we are nine months into the financial year, there have been eight sets of revisions, a total of 6 revisions downward and 2 revisions upward.
Borrowing has been revised up at local government level by a total of £2.2bn, although revisions in the last two months have been downward. Central government receipts are up by £2.5bn and central government borrowing by £3.3bn; more controversially investment has been revised down by £1.8bn. What I would take from this is that revisions to central spending have largely been in the government's favour.
Total borrowing in the previous whole financial year was £75.4bn. Absent any revisions, that total for this year to date would have been £69.1bn; but that has cumulatively been revised to £63.8bn, i.e. the total reduction has been almost twice what the initial figures each month if taken in stone would have suggested.0 -
Our royal family seems to enjoy getting cosy with other royal families regardless of the way their countries are run.another_richard said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_visits_received_by_Queen_Elizabeth_II
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has had four - the last one being 30 October – 1 November 2007.
Wasn't that when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister ?0 -
Supplies are just being taken aboard GIN, boat will sail to schedule not hyperbole or hysterics.GIN1138 said:
Nicola should have done it on 24th June. Looks like she's missed the boat...TheScreamingEagles said:Panelbase poll found enthusiasm for a pre-Brexit “indyref2” has fallen away — from 43% last June to 32% in September and only 27% now, and a majority (51%) do not want another independence vote held within the next few years.
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Yes, but they are all subsidiary to EU law. There are different laws in different US states, too. Anyway, I accept that from the perspective of an author and for many others Europe can and should be treated as a collection of different markets. Many do the same with the US, of course. We definitely see California and New York very differently to Texas and Florida, for example.SeanT said:
It's not just the fact that, for authors, the EU is definitely 28 different markets (in terms of places you market to, which require different marketING) but also the law is actually different, in crucial ways, in different countries. For instance some EU countries still have a net book agreement, guaranteeing high prices for books (no discounting allowed). Great for authors, tough for consumers. France and Germany still have these agreements. The UK does not.SouthamObserver said:
The case.SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:
Yep - the deals are all subject to European law. Before the single market, for example, the period of copyright authors enjoyed was different in different in European countries. Now it has been harmonised (to the German standard - life plus 70 years).david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.
So even the laws are crucially and significantly different across the EU.
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While I accept the rationale I'd have struggled voting for Clinton. Anyway the issue is moot. Trump won on the backs of a vast number of rust-belt white [ and other lower class] voters who have found a voice. I guess many will be happy with his clumsy order because they feel, rightly or wrongly that the threat is there. All of the outrage in the world now does nothing to excuse the failure of the establishment in American, and maybe European politics too, to show as much interest in the white/lower W/C voters for far too long as it has done for others. The plain fact is that this group of voters has been shamelessly let down for too long and will continue to elect people like Trump until their concerns are addressed.SouthamObserver said:
Yep - as I said last night, this is absolutely not a left or right thing. You do not have to be a hand-wringing lefty to believe that it is wrong to prevent people who have made their lives in the US, paid US taxes and committed no crimes in the US from re-entering the country, or to discriminate against the citizens of any country because of where they happened to be born.Richard_Tyndall said:
100% agree. If I had been voting in the States I would have held my nose and voted Clinton. She wouldn't have made anything better and would probably have made things moderately worse for many people. But that would still have been better than Trump.Slackbladder said:
Yes, it's very depressing, which makes it all more important that those 'on the right' which don't agree with Trump make that clear.state_go_away said:This whole travel ban imposed by Trump is rather depressing isn' it?
I am not a lefty and have always admired and supported the USA and deep down the reason I have done all my life is not that it is ultra capitalist but that free market ethos so ingrained means that it actually makes it easier for immigration , easier to believe you can go as an immigrant and make it as an individual , free of government interference and petty rules.
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Mr. Pong, jein. Information sharing with Germany's secret service (BND?) has declined due to the Germans being leakier than a sieve. It doesn't enhance our security to have secrets fall into nefarious hands because the Germans have been infiltrated.0
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Yes - you cannot stand virtue signallers who are signalling virtues you do not like. Your virtues are different to theirs. You are signalling that.dr_spyn said:
Nonsense - I can't stand Trump, and I can't stand virtue signallers. Last night's fuss over why hasn't the PM condemned Trump for his EO, was a load of piss and wind.SouthamObserver said:
You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
Trump so far hasn't tortured any Muslims, unlike Ergodan who has cracked heads, and sat back as lynching were carried out in Istanbul.
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I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, but they are all subsidiary to EU law. There are different laws in different US states, too. Anyway, I accept that from the perspective of an author and for many others Europe can and should be treated as a collection of different markets. Many do the same with the US, of course. We definitely see California and New York very differently to Texas and Florida, for example.SeanT said:
It's not just the fact that, for authors, the EU is definitely 28 different markets (in terms of places you market to, which require different marketING) but also the law is actually different, in crucial ways, in different countries. For instance some EU countries still have a net book agreement, guaranteeing high prices for books (no discounting allowed). Great for authors, tough for consumers. France and Germany still have these agreements. The UK does not.SouthamObserver said:
The case.SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:
Yep - the deals are all subject to European law. Before the single market, for example, the period of copyright authors enjoyed was different in different in European countries. Now it has been harmonised (to the German standard - life plus 70 years).david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.
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That list is hardly a great advert for Christian immigration though is it?isam said:
So what?SouthamObserver said:
There is also a list of US mass-murderers with Christian backgrounds.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?
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These were when you were calling yourself what?!Jobabob said:
You have been weirdly obsessed with me since you arrived on PB - once wishing me dead and, on another occasion, threatening me with violence via your thug "mates in Canning Town" for daring to declare myself a Londoner. Save your sinister kisses for someone who wants them and leave me in peace.isam said:
Just pointing out that he has been saying for years what you are saying today, wondered if you had seen it. No need to be tetchy just because I tease you sometimes xJobabob said:
You mention this bus an awafulMortimer said:
Directors of the Outrage Bus Co. are making a fortune...dr_spyn said:Woke up to find Theresa May hasn't resigned, Donald Trump is still President, and Jeremy Corbyn has almost split Labour in two over Article 50. What else did I miss?
Yes, Dawkins is right. What's your point?isam said:Jobabob said:@OldKingCole
The point is children have no religion - ascribing religious views to young children is as absurd as ascribing political views to them. "Marxist six-year-olds are welcome at our school."
copyright R.DawkinsJobabob said:@OldKingCole
The point is children have no religion - ascribing religious views to young children is as absurd as ascribing political views to them. "Marxist six-year-olds are welcome at our school."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sOPbn3XrdU
I didn't wish you dead, I quoted the BlackAdder2 episode when Percy said "Sorry I'm late" & Edmund said "Don't apologize I'm sorry you're alive", when you apologized for something.
I didn't threaten you with violence either. I said that if you told people whose families had been in Canning Town for a century that you were as much a Londoner as them, having moved there as an adult from the North, you'd probably get a slap.
I was slightly obsessed with the weird way you pretended not to be the same person under many different silly aliases that is true. I didnt think anyone could be such a wally, I was even banned for suggesting The Last Boy Scout, Bobajob etc etc were the same person. But once I was proven correct, I got over it.0 -
There does seem a bias on the negative side built into initial estimates. It is very likely the last quarter will be a wash leaving us around the £63bn for the year. Not great but another significant step in the right direction from last year.TheWhiteRabbit said:If we'd indulge my hobby for a second, I have had an opportunity to take a proper look at the effect of revisions on the public finances and the ability of the government to meet the OBR's forecast for the financial year.
Total revisions to the current financial year (that is, the initial estimate for each month compared to the current estimate of the year to date were £5.3 billion, effectively reducing the deficit by 10% - though of course it represents a much smaller percentage of total income or expenditure. As we are nine months into the financial year, there have been eight sets of revisions, a total of 6 revisions downward and 2 revisions upward.
Borrowing has been revised up at local government level by a total of £2.2bn, although revisions in the last two months have been downward. Central government receipts are up by £2.5bn and central government borrowing by £3.3bn; more controversially investment has been revised down by £1.8bn. What I would take from this is that revisions to central spending have largely been in the government's favour.
Total borrowing in the previous whole financial year was £75.4bn. Absent any revisions, that total for this year to date would have been £69.1bn; but that has cumulatively been revised to £63.8bn, i.e. the total reduction has been almost twice what the initial figures each month if taken in stone would have suggested.0 -
Brexit will be to blame for everything for years, it will be used and abused as cover for all sorts of shaftings.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
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I assume that YouTube wouldn't allow it if he had fallen off.SeanT said:
Me too. I felt physically sick at one point. And it's just a man walking and skipping...DavidL said:
That did really unpleasant things to my stomach.SeanT said:OMG.
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As 33% in the yougov daily poll yesterday backed a similar ban for the UK, there probable is scope for an openly Islamophobic, pro-waterboarding, protectionist party. Not one likely to win in FPTP politics though.SandyRentool said:Farage pompom waving for Trump's ban on Sunday Politics.
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Oh were the people immigrants? I guess they were if they weren't Native Americans.SouthamObserver said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Christian immigration though is it?isam said:
So what?SouthamObserver said:
There is also a list of US mass-murderers with Christian backgrounds.isam said:
That list is hardly a great advert for Islamic immigration though is it?Richard_Tyndall said:
Moreover the majority of the major attacks have been carried out by people who were either born in the US or moved at a very young age.not_on_fire said:
Nonsense - there has been significantly less than one Islamic terrorist attack per year in the US since 9/11, which suggests the current system is working fine. Toddlers with guns are a far bigger threat to Americans.PAW said:I think Donald Trump has done exactly the right thing. There have two or three terrorist attacks in the USA every year, and he has tied the inevitable attacks to come to his opposition. Who appear to value the rights of everybody in the world above american lives.
As others have pointed out, Saudi Arabia is not on the list despite being by far the nation with the most civilian American blood on its hands.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad - Little Rock Attack - A convert born in Memphis Tennessee
Nidal Malik Hasan - Fort Hood Attack - Born in Virginia
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez - Chattanooga Attack - moved to the US at the age of 6
Syed Rizwan Farook - San Bernadino Attack - Born in Chicago (though his wife who took part in the attacks with him was from Pakistan)
Omar Mateen - Orlando Attack - Born in New York
Zale Thompson - New York Attack November 2014 - Born in New York
Ismaaiyl Brinsley - New York Attack December 2014 - Born in New York
In fact putting together all the major islamic attacks in the US since 2009, the majority of the attackers were born in the US.
So how is this policy going to make a blind bit of difference?
The point I am making, which I think you know (but we do have to go through the ritual of feigning ignorance) is that introducing, en masse, immigrants from a different religion is asking for trouble. We see it all over the world. We are now at the point where people are saying that because the terrorists are children of immigrants, and were born in/citizens of the country they are bombing/shooting up, that somehow makes a difference rather than proves the point0 -
As I'm the poster that dragged us into this rather unlovely blind alley, I'd just like to reiterate that the Single Market in goods was probably the EEC's greatest achievement. I'll be very sorry to see us leave it.DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, but they are all subsidiary to EU law. There are different laws in different US states, too. Anyway, I accept that from the perspective of an author and for many others Europe can and should be treated as a collection of different markets. Many do the same with the US, of course. We definitely see California and New York very differently to Texas and Florida, for example.SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:
The case.SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.
Just as the Internet isn't some amorphous blob (if you want to know why the world is as it is, look for physical maps of the 'net), neither is the EU. Germany is important to us (and we them) in ways that Slovenia or the Czech Republic will never be. The EU has the clout it has because of Germany, France, Italy and Spain (you can argue the order if you wish). I'm sure Poland will join their ranks over time. It's not because of Malta. That's not to disrespect the EU of course, it's just an observation.0 -
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Before the referendum Theresa May argued that completing the single market in services was a key national interest of the UK that we would be unable to pursue if we Brexit.DavidL said:I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
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It was more the scrotum in my case. But just to be a party pooper, he could have a safety harness and a socking great cable on his top half, with someone paying it out to keep it out of shot.DavidL said:
That did really unpleasant things to my stomach.SeanT said:OMG.
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Who will win the race to 1000 ?surbiton said:50000 coming up in two minutes !
Hackney N 452
Hornsey 451
Hackeny S 431
Islington N 430
Islington S has only 312.
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Jeez! I suspect his camera wouldn't allow it if it had fallen with him.another_richard said:
I assume that YouTube wouldn't allow it if he had fallen off.SeanT said:
Me too. I felt physically sick at one point. And it's just a man walking and skipping...DavidL said:
That did really unpleasant things to my stomach.SeanT said:OMG.
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This leaves the government well placed to meet, or exceed, the OBR's forecast.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Total borrowing in the previous whole financial year was £75.4bn. Absent any revisions, that total for this year to date would have been £69.1bn; but that has cumulatively been revised to £63.8bn, i.e. the total reduction has been almost twice what the initial figures each month if taken in stone would have suggested.
At this point last year, borrowing in the year to date was £74.5bn; at the end of the year that had risen to £75.4bn, an increase of £0.9bn (as January receipts counterbalances February and March spending). A simple addition of £0.9bn to the £63.8bn so far this year would give a figure of £64.7bn, compared to the latest OBR forecast of £68.2bn. That's a comfortable performance.
There are reasons to be even more optimistic (vis a vis the forecast at least!). We know that borrowing is down about 7.5% so far this year so we could expect the next three months - net - to be flat, or return a small surplus. I haven't had the opportunity to assess whether that 7.5% is increased receipts or lower spending, though I suspect the latter.
Equally, revisions between January and March last year - stripping out the effect of bringing housing associations onto the books) lowered the borrowing in the then year to date by £4.4bn. Equally the last few months this time around have seen substantial downwards revisions.
However it does seem unlikely that the government will hit was the OBR's forecast used to be for this year, which was £55.5 billion. Nevertheless without a full budget in April, there will be effectively another six months before the chancellor has an opportunity to spend everything that he has saved.0 -
I agree. If only the EU had stopped there.... I still hope we will have a tariff free arrangement with them.John_M said:
As I'm the poster that dragged us into this rather unlovely blind alley, I'd just like to reiterate that the Single Market in goods was probably the EEC's greatest achievement. I'll be very sorry to see us leave it.DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
Just as the Internet isn't some amorphous blob (if you want to know why the world is as it is, look for physical maps of the 'net), neither is the EU. Germany is important to us (and we them) in ways that Slovenia or the Czech Republic will never be. The EU has the clout it has because of Germany, France, Italy and Spain (you can argue the order if you wish). I'm sure Poland will join their ranks over time. It's not because of Malta. That's not to disrespect the EU of course, it's just an observation.0 -
Breaking 'I've spent all that time writing this so I'm not changing it now' news.
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As it should be. The educated / intelligentsia voted Remain overwhelmingly. They will remind the rest for a long time to come.malcolmg said:
Brexit will be to blame for everything for years, it will be used and abused as cover for all sorts of shaftings.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
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LOL, take your pillstlg86 said:
Nicola might be reluctant to call for the invitation to be withdrawn given her administration's attempts to cosy up to the Chinese.MaxPB said:
Sixth form politics from the sixth formers.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Lib Dem leader @timfarron tells me the offer of a state visit to the UK for Donald Trump should be withdrawn #Ridge
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This is a genuine question (which I have been unable to answer for myself) - do you see a single market in services as being achievable and if so, over what timescales? I'd like a thoughtful Europhile view.williamglenn said:
Before the referendum Theresa May argued that completing the single market in services was a key national interest of the UK that we would be unable to pursue if we Brexit.DavidL said:I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
I'm genuinely not trying to score debating points here - while the single market in services isn't in anyway complete, it's somewhat serviceable, even as it stands today.0 -
Perhaps someone could start a petition calling for Trump's new policy to be copied in the UK.
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I still cannot imagine why many people have this view. It is theoretically not possible. Nothing to do with us or the Germans or anyone else. It is the moment we decided we would do our own trade deals that decided it.DavidL said:
I agree. If only the EU had stopped there.... I still hope we will have a tariff free arrangement with them.John_M said:
As I'm the poster that dragged us into this rather unlovely blind alley, I'd just like to reiterate that the Single Market in goods was probably the EEC's greatest achievement. I'll be very sorry to see us leave it.DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
Just as the Internet isn't some amorphous blob (if you want to know why the world is as it is, look for physical maps of the 'net), neither is the EU. Germany is important to us (and we them) in ways that Slovenia or the Czech Republic will never be. The EU has the clout it has because of Germany, France, Italy and Spain (you can argue the order if you wish). I'm sure Poland will join their ranks over time. It's not because of Malta. That's not to disrespect the EU of course, it's just an observation.0 -
Ha Ha Ha , how desperate are unionists.chestnut said:
63% of the 44% who voted Sindy is about 28% of the Scottish electorate.TheScreamingEagles said:Among those who backed independence in 2014, 21% oppose an independent Scotland seeking to join the EU while 63% are in favour and 17% don’t know.
So, Sturgeon's "leave the UK, join the EU" double stance is supported by barely a quarter of Scots.0 -
Rex Tillerson:
"We're going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed."
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Are the Germans leakier than the Americans?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pong, jein. Information sharing with Germany's secret service (BND?) has declined due to the Germans being leakier than a sieve. It doesn't enhance our security to have secrets fall into nefarious hands because the Germans have been infiltrated.
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In legal and financial services it has been an absolute slog and it very far from complete.John_M said:
This is a genuine question (which I have been unable to answer for myself) - do you see a single market in services as being achievable and if so, over what timescales? I'd like a thoughtful Europhile view.williamglenn said:
Before the referendum Theresa May argued that completing the single market in services was a key national interest of the UK that we would be unable to pursue if we Brexit.DavidL said:I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
I'm genuinely not trying to score debating points here - while the single market in services isn't in anyway complete, it's somewhat serviceable, even as it stands today.0 -
Nonsense - I'm not signalling that, and you know it.SouthamObserver said:
Yes - you cannot stand virtue signallers who are signalling virtues you do not like. Your virtues are different to theirs. You are signalling that.dr_spyn said:
Nonsense - I can't stand Trump, and I can't stand virtue signallers. Last night's fuss over why hasn't the PM condemned Trump for his EO, was a load of piss and wind.SouthamObserver said:
You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
Trump so far hasn't tortured any Muslims, unlike Ergodan who has cracked heads, and sat back as lynching were carried out in Istanbul.
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I am not signing, as I am rather looking forward to Trumps visit and the maximum opportunity to embarass the pussy grabber in chief. The Queen will do her duty and be polite to him, she has done so for any number of foreign despots over the years.dr_spyn said:55,555 and rising.
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Yes, although progress in that has been painfully slow over the last 20 years. As an example I can recall one case in my 17 years at the Scottish bar where Dutch jurists came across and were given leave by the Court to represent some Dutch fishermen in the Court of Session. It was the talk of the steamie but it was 10 years ago. It just doesn't happen. It is true to the extent that anyone was pushing for a single market in services it was the UK for obvious reasons.williamglenn said:
Before the referendum Theresa May argued that completing the single market in services was a key national interest of the UK that we would be unable to pursue if we Brexit.DavidL said:I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
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@isam
You have selective memory syndrome but don't worry because I'm tired of raking up old ground with you. Happy to debate you civilly in future but do me a favour and lay off the weird kisses and such - it's just odd.
I have said several times that The Last Boy Scout, Boba Fett and of course Bobajob were all my personas - and I have also queried why it mattered so much to you (or anyone else)? I would have thought that the scouting links between them made it obvious but obviously not! As it is, as a few people (not just you) cared so deeply that one anonymous poster had an alter ego as, erm, another anonymous poster I came back as Jobabob - the most boringly uncryptic name imaginable!0 -
Right. And what really frightens the opposition is not that Trump will be awful, but that he might be good enough that more Trumps are elected. We could see a complete overturning of the way politics has been done since at least the 60s.felix said:All of the outrage in the world now does nothing to excuse the failure of the establishment in American, and maybe European politics too, to show as much interest in the white/lower W/C voters for far too long as it has done for others. The plain fact is that this group of voters has been shamelessly let down for too long and will continue to elect people like Trump until their concerns are addressed.
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Martin McGuinness the cuddly version of Trump?foxinsoxuk said:
I am not signing, as I am rather looking forward to Trumps visit and the maximum opportunity to embarass the pussy grabber in chief. The Queen will do her duty and be polite to him, she has done so for any number of foreign despots over the years.dr_spyn said:55,555 and rising.
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Really? I thought the split for ABC1s was 56:44 - perhaps I'm mis-remembering. Or perhaps you're speaking of academia, in which case, point cheerfully conceded.surbiton said:
As it should be. The educated / intelligentsia voted Remain overwhelmingly. They will remind the rest for a long time to come.malcolmg said:
Brexit will be to blame for everything for years, it will be used and abused as cover for all sorts of shaftings.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
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They are just fancy Tories, if there is cash in it then their principles are dumped quickly.SandyRentool said:
Our royal family seems to enjoy getting cosy with other royal families regardless of the way their countries are run.another_richard said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_visits_received_by_Queen_Elizabeth_II
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has had four - the last one being 30 October – 1 November 2007.
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The wording of that petition is cringe-making:
"Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen."
If it had simply said "Do not allow Donald Trump to enter Britain", I would have signed it.0 -
Mr. Pong, recently, the information sharing was diminished because, mysteriously, whenever we told the Germans anything dodgy people learned those same secrets in short order.0
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I never said otherwise. Have you tried being a purveyor of marijuana-based products in the US single market, or even a gun-maker for that matter? ;-)DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, but they are all subsidiary to EU law. There are different laws in different US states, too. Anyway, I accept that from the perspective of an author and for many others Europe can and should be treated as a collection of different markets. Many do the same with the US, of course. We definitely see California and New York very differently to Texas and Florida, for example.SeanT said:
It's . The UK does not.SouthamObserver said:
The case.SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:
Yep - the deals are all subject to European law. Before the single market, for example, the period of copyright authors enjoyed was different in different in European countries. Now it has been harmonised (to the German standard - life plus 70 years).david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.
So even the laws are crucially and significantly different across the EU.
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Everything I just posted was true, there is no selective memory there.Jobabob said:@isam
You have selective memory syndrome but don't worry because I'm tired of raking up old ground with you. Happy to debate you civilly in future but do me a favour and lay off the weird kisses and such - it's just odd.
I have said several times that The Last Boy Scout, Boba Fett and of course Bobajob were all my personas - and I have also queried why it mattered so much to you (or anyone else)? I would have thought that the scouting links between them made it obvious but obviously not! As it is, as a few people (not just you) cared so deeply that one anonymous poster had an alter ego as, erm, another anonymous poster I came back as Jobabob - the most boringly uncryptic name imaginable!
The silly aliases didn't matter that much in the scheme of things, it was just irritating, and not that funny. I wondered why anyone would be bothered.
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glw said:
Right. And what really frightens the opposition is not that Trump will be awful, but that he might be good enough that more Trumps are elected. We could see a complete overturning of the way politics has been done since at least the 60s.felix said:All of the outrage in the world now does nothing to excuse the failure of the establishment in American, and maybe European politics too, to show as much interest in the white/lower W/C voters for far too long as it has done for others. The plain fact is that this group of voters has been shamelessly let down for too long and will continue to elect people like Trump until their concerns are addressed.
Nope - it looks like clear virtue signalling to me.dr_spyn said:
Nonsenese - I'm not signalling that, and you know it.SouthamObserver said:
Yes - you cannot stand virtue signallers who are signalling virtues you do not like. Your virtues are different to theirs. You are signalling that.dr_spyn said:
Nonsense - I can't stand Trump, and I can't stand virtue signallers. Last night's fuss over why hasn't the PM condemned Trump for his EO, was a load of piss and wind.SouthamObserver said:
You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
Trump so far hasn't tortured any Muslims, unlike Ergodan who has cracked heads, and sat back as lynching were carried out in Istanbul.
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The alternative to the imperfect Single Market is no common trading system at all. Which is where the EU is at across the board. Do you prefer a glass half-full (or half-empty) or no glass at all?DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
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Not so. It would be possible to have no tariffs with the EU but have arrangements by which tariffs were payable on non EU imports that were being re exported.surbiton said:
I still cannot imagine why many people have this view. It is theoretically not possible. Nothing to do with us or the Germans or anyone else. It is the moment we decided we would do our own trade deals that decided it.DavidL said:
I agree. If only the EU had stopped there.... I still hope we will have a tariff free arrangement with them.John_M said:
As I'm the poster that dragged us into this rather unlovely blind alley, I'd just like to reiterate that the Single Market in goods was probably the EEC's greatest achievement. I'll be very sorry to see us leave it.DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:SeanT said:SouthamObserver said:david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
Just as the Internet isn't some amorphous blob (if you want to know why the world is as it is, look for physical maps of the 'net), neither is the EU. Germany is important to us (and we them) in ways that Slovenia or the Czech Republic will never be. The EU has the clout it has because of Germany, France, Italy and Spain (you can argue the order if you wish). I'm sure Poland will join their ranks over time. It's not because of Malta. That's not to disrespect the EU of course, it's just an observation.0 -
Martin McGuiness has an unsavoury past, but his role in the Peace Process does him credit. The Queen is a Christian and values repentance. You do not have to make peace with friends, peacemaking involves talking to enemies.isam said:
Martin McGuinness the cuddly version of Trump?foxinsoxuk said:
I am not signing, as I am rather looking forward to Trumps visit and the maximum opportunity to embarass the pussy grabber in chief. The Queen will do her duty and be polite to him, she has done so for any number of foreign despots over the years.dr_spyn said:55,555 and rising.
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No it wasn't true as you were banned for wishing a poster dead - the way you have 'explained' your behaviour above is such a tortuous stretching of the truth it's effectively a lie I'm afraid. I came back to this forum because you had gone - now you are back and obsessively stalking me again I may have to reconsider.isam said:
Everything I just posted was true, there is no selective memory there.Jobabob said:@isam
You have selective memory syndrome but don't worry because I'm tired of raking up old ground with you. Happy to debate you civilly in future but do me a favour and lay off the weird kisses and such - it's just odd.
I have said several times that The Last Boy Scout, Boba Fett and of course Bobajob were all my personas - and I have also queried why it mattered so much to you (or anyone else)? I would have thought that the scouting links between them made it obvious but obviously not! As it is, as a few people (not just you) cared so deeply that one anonymous poster had an alter ego as, erm, another anonymous poster I came back as Jobabob - the most boringly uncryptic name imaginable!
The silly aliases didn't matter that much in the scheme of things, it was just irritating, and not that funny. I wondered why anyone would be bothered.
I'll do as I like, you can respond or not, down to you
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No but it sounds a lot more exciting than being a lawyer.SouthamObserver said:
I never said otherwise. Have you tried being a purveyor of marijuana-based products in the US single market, or even a gun-maker for that matter? ;-)DavidL said:
I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, but they are all subsidiary to EU law. There are different laws in different US states, too. Anyway, I accept that from the perspective of an author and for many others Europe can and should be treated as a collection of different markets. Many do the same with the US, of course. We definitely see California and New York very differently to Texas and Florida, for example.SeanT said:
It's . The UK does not.SouthamObserver said:
The case.SeanT said:
But that's just not true in any sensible interpretation of "single market". They operate as 28 (or so) very different markets, FOR MESouthamObserver said:
Yep - the deals are all subject to European law. Before the single market, for example, the period of copyright authors enjoyed was different in different in European countries. Now it has been harmonised (to the German standard - life plus 70 years).david_herdson said:
Though that's market.SeanT said:
Not for me it isn't. I sell translation rights for my books to each European nation and/or language individually. And very lucrative they are, I am happy to say. Danke Deutschland.SouthamObserver said:
Whether you like it or not, the EU is a single market.John_M said:
I prefer The rest are all deficits.Dromedary said:
"Partner" indeed. That's not a partnership. And Britain exports FAR MORE to the rest of the EU than it does to the US.John_M said:Yes, I'll repeat what I posted last night. Those who think May should have temporised about visiting our #1 military partner, #1 intelligence partner, #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market are fuckwits halfwits.
Britain's no.1 (excuse my British usage instead of "#") export market is EU27.
So for me The Single Market is anything but.
So even the laws are crucially and significantly different across the EU.0 -
We know the US ban affects Iranians who are also Brits.dr_spyn said:
But does the Iranian ban apply to US citizens who are Brits?
Would joint US-British citizen Johnson be allowed into Iran?
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The point it makes very clearly is that Trump's 4 month ban will achieve absolutely nothing. And if religion is the basis of all this then why is it only 7 carefully selected countries are chosen? And not even those who are most guilty of sponsoring and supporting terrorism and from which almost all the perpetrators of the greatest terrorist attack in US history came?isam said:
Oh were the people immigrants? I guess they were if they weren't Native Americans.
The point I am making, which I think you know (but we do have to go through the ritual of feigning ignorance) is that introducing, en masse, immigrants from a different religion is asking for trouble. We see it all over the world. We are now at the point where people are saying that because the terrorists are children of immigrants, and were born in/citizens of the country they are bombing/shooting up, that somehow makes a difference rather than proves the point0 -
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No, I didn't lie, I told the exact truthJobabob said:
No it wasn't true as you were banned for wishing a poster dead - the way you have 'explained' your behaviour above is such a tortuous stretching of the truth it's effectively a lie I'm afraid. I came back to this forum because you had gone - now you are back and obsessively stalking me again I may have to reconsider.isam said:
Everything I just posted was true, there is no selective memory there.Jobabob said:@isam
You have selective memory syndrome but don't worry because I'm tired of raking up old ground with you. Happy to debate you civilly in future but do me a favour and lay off the weird kisses and such - it's just odd.
I have said several times that The Last Boy Scout, Boba Fett and of course Bobajob were all my personas - and I have also queried why it mattered so much to you (or anyone else)? I would have thought that the scouting links between them made it obvious but obviously not! As it is, as a few people (not just you) cared so deeply that one anonymous poster had an alter ego as, erm, another anonymous poster I came back as Jobabob - the most boringly uncryptic name imaginable!
The silly aliases didn't matter that much in the scheme of things, it was just irritating, and not that funny. I wondered why anyone would be bothered.
I'll do as I like, you can respond or not, down to you
Do what you like. everyone on here likes a debate, that's what it is for. I pull you up more than others because I think you are wrong/stupid more often, its not stalking.
All I did today was link to a youtube of the point you were making. Some might find that interesting or helpful.0 -
Think away - you are wrong.SouthamObserver said:glw said:
Right. And what really frightens the opposition is not that Trump will be awful, but that he might be good enough that more Trumps are elected. We could see a complete overturning of the way politics has been done since at least the 60s.felix said:All of the outrage in the world now does nothing to excuse the failure of the establishment in American, and maybe European politics too, to show as much interest in the white/lower W/C voters for far too long as it has done for others. The plain fact is that this group of voters has been shamelessly let down for too long and will continue to elect people like Trump until their concerns are addressed.
Nope - it looks like clear virtue signalling to me.dr_spyn said:
Nonsenese - I'm not signalling that, and you know it.SouthamObserver said:
Yes - you cannot stand virtue signallers who are signalling virtues you do not like. Your virtues are different to theirs. You are signalling that.dr_spyn said:
Nonsense - I can't stand Trump, and I can't stand virtue signallers. Last night's fuss over why hasn't the PM condemned Trump for his EO, was a load of piss and wind.SouthamObserver said:
You, of course, would prefer to be associated with other virtues. Hence your post.dr_spyn said:now 38,500 have shown their virtue.
Trump so far hasn't tortured any Muslims, unlike Ergodan who has cracked heads, and sat back as lynching were carried out in Istanbul.0 -
Golly - an almost sensible post. Although despite being an idiot Trump does not fit the dictionary definition of despot.foxinsoxuk said:
I am not signing, as I am rather looking forward to Trumps visit and the maximum opportunity to embarass the pussy grabber in chief. The Queen will do her duty and be polite to him, she has done so for any number of foreign despots over the years.dr_spyn said:55,555 and rising.
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I'm flattered that you think of me as a thoughtful Europhile.John_M said:
This is a genuine question (which I have been unable to answer for myself) - do you see a single market in services as being achievable and if so, over what timescales? I'd like a thoughtful Europhile view.williamglenn said:
Before the referendum Theresa May argued that completing the single market in services was a key national interest of the UK that we would be unable to pursue if we Brexit.DavidL said:I think it is time that you gave up on this one Southam. The fact is that the Single Market remains highly imperfect for anything other than physical goods.
I'm genuinely not trying to score debating points here - while the single market in services isn't in anyway complete, it's somewhat serviceable, even as it stands today.
I think in practice services shouldn't be considered as a simple parallel to the single market in goods but as many different single markets, some of which are realistically achievable with a similar level of political will to that shown in the 80s, and others will always remain member state issues for reasons of language and culture. The priority should be in financial services (and not only because this is, or would have been, a British interest).0
