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The distance to his departure halved again...felix said:
Definition for 'almost' required.SouthamObserver said:
It is. If you can't see that, I can't help you.felix said:
Hahahahahaha! It's all a bit groundhog day with the Labour party - all we need now is for SO to tell us it's almost the end for CorbynScott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Cancel the leadership crisis (for now) - @labourlewis says he's backing @jeremycorbyn and the Brexit bill
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OMG that's funny. Let the government make the decision ;cause I don't want to butwantto bleat about it afterwardsScott_P said:0 -
@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow0
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I spoke to soon, it looks like the Blairites are praying harder than CCHQ.0
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Didn't think there was going to be one! Does this means there's going to be something to say?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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White House - President Trump and Prime Minister May will hold a joint press conference tomorrow.
Now that should be some viewing0 -
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Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.0 -
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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Corbyn has to be Tory plant surely...put there to make the Tories sound reasonable and sensible on every issue.0
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Incredible there was a suggestion this wouldn't happen.John_M said:
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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Hang on, that would be going a bit far!John_M said:
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.0 -
One of my favourites: picked up a machine gun and ran towards the enemy.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amazing that not only did he win the VC twice but also the MC - the second highest gallantry medal - earlier in the war. An incredibly brave man.BannedInParis said:
One of the the quirks of British military history that I like is that one of our double VC winners achieved both without killing anyone.CarlottaVance said:
I read up on Hacksaw Ridge after I saw the film - contrary to most Hollywood fare they actually toned down rather than exaggerated the heroics....which makes the true life story even more remarkable.MarqueeMark said:
Agree on "Jackie" - her performance WAS the film. Must be a strong favourite unless the Academy go completely bonkers over La La Land. Which has to be a possibility, it being set in LA and all...Roger said:" MarqueeMark said:
Roger, an underwhelming set of OSCAR nominations.
Hacksaw Ridge is a stunningly good war film - or film, period. If La La Land weren't being lauded like Ben Hur, it might stand a chance. And I far preferred Andrew Garfield's performance in it to that of the much-touted Casey Affleck in Manchester by the Sea.
Amy Adams getting overlooked for Best Actress in Arrival was a shock. I suppose somebody had to lose out so Meryl could get her 20th....
Very gratified though to see Hidden Figures getting a Best Picture Nom. Entirely deserved. The film I most ENJOYED out of the whole awards crop."
MM
I'm just catchin less so.
Hacksaw RIdge has a very strong potential appeal to the liberal left - a true story of a conscientious objector, the hell he has to go through in training and his extraordinary war - being capped off by receiving the highest gallantry medal in the US. The sort of story that might well appeal to those who really dislike Trump - and I'm thinking that is maybe 85% of Academy voters. (Set against that, I guess many would not want to see Mel Gibson to prosper as director - so the value there is on Andrew Garfield who is well gong-worthy). BTW make sure you stay to the very end of Hacksaw Ridge (which is a bit of an endurance, because arguably its only fault is it feels a good 15 minutes too long).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Godfrey_Chavasse
There's a VC winner buried near me. His, on the other hand, reads like a Blackadder skirmish.
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Bets on trump spending half the time of his joint press with may spouting about the crowds, the voter fraud and the wall.0
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Press conference
PM May, did you give the President a quaich so it would be easy for him to hold in his tiny, tiny hands?0 -
Body language experts on standby.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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My gift of metaphor is wasted on this siteRichard_Nabavi said:
Hang on, that would be going a bit far!John_M said:
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
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The Breaking Point poster was Farage and I disowned it at the time. As did vote Leave.AlastairMeeks said:
Leave got over the line with "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU" and the Breaking Point poster. Mealymouthed nonsense about a coalition is just that: mealymouthed nonsense.Casino_Royale said:
It (and it really does) genuinely upset me that you think that but border control was always going to feature in any Leave campaign, and rightly so.AlastairMeeks said:
Brexit will not renew anything positive, being born of xenophobia. It cannot shrug off the circumstances of its birth.Casino_Royale said:
In your opinion.AlastairMeeks said:
Entirely understandably, considering the moral and intellectual darkness that is engulfing us.Casino_Royale said:
It's a rage against the dying of the light.SeanT said:
Do you now accept Brexit is very likely to happen?williamglenn said:Have Sinn Fein said anything more about whether they'll take their seats to vote against A50?
I think this might make a good poll for PB-ers: the chances of Brexit being stopped
To my mind, the last serious chance of thwarting Brexit has now gone.
1. Legally it's over, the best hope was the Supreme Court giving Sturgeon a veto. didn't happen.
2. Politically it's over, Remoaners needed Labour to unite behind stalling Brexit, but they didn't. A50 will be triggered
3. Economically it's over: growth in 4Q16 was 0.6%, best in the G7. This momentum will carry forward. There's not gonna be some huge recession changing people's minds. And the polls show the voters are becoming MORE Brexity, anyway. Plus Confirmation Bias.
And with that, it's done. The last forlorn hope for Remainers is a black swan. A war. Comet strike. Spanish flu. Trump nuking us. I dunno. I think it's over. And we're out.
I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
Leave won from a coalition of sovereignists, including many centrists, graduates and post graduates, as well as those concerned on immigration.
Any either or strategy would have topped out at 35% for Leave.
Having won by pandering to xenophobia, Brexit is damned from the start by the way in which it was won.
I disagree it's damned forevermore. Even if i recognise you may always hold it so.
I was more upset about Jo Cox and the election of Trump - both unpleasant incidents (and the former a tragedy) that have greatly soured the milk.0 -
Well if you think Theresa's gonna have it bad look at HMQ.John_M said:
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
She's had 65 years of having to "entertain" the mad, bad and clearly insane (and no doubt will be "Banqueting" with The Donald before you can say "Donald Where's Your Trousers"...)0 -
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I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
Shots fired: Mexican president cancels his Trump visit.0
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He's got it too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
See John Woodcock and Isabel Hardman are reputed to be an item. I hope it works out for her following her recent depressionYBarddCwsc said:Richard_Nabavi said:
No, I've kept out of this one. I'm on Labour in Copeland.isam said:He is the least "Remainy" of the four choices though... Maybe its his silly tweets. I thought it 50/50 at the start of the week, so should really be backing Lab now. Don't really have a big position on it, do you?
If I had to choose, I'd also back Labour in Stoke (I think they should be mild favourites), but it's a hard one to read.
I think Labour will hold Stoke.
Copeland, less sure. What makes me hesitate is that there is a future for a Tory MP for Copeland (as he or she will contest and most likely claim the enlarged Barrow seat at the next General Election).
Unless Woodcock goes, there is no future for a Labour MP for Copeland.
So, I just wonder if this makes the Tory candidate and team more motivated in what will be a close by-election.0 -
Or he calls her "Tess' or "Tessie"FrancisUrquhart said:Bets on trump spending half the time of his joint press with may spouting about the crowds, the voter fraud and the wall.
"Tessie, if I may call you that?"
"No"
Well, Tessie, we had a GREAT chat didn't we....0 -
This week on pb we have had posters - who previously had been growling about how Britain was full - effusing about the possibility of freedom of movement with the former white colonies. A succession of posters have found themselves unable to condemn the death threats against Gina Miller without also spending far more time explaining why they find her to be an appalling woman.Casino_Royale said:
The Breaking Point poster was Farage and I disowned it at the time. As did vote Leave.
I disagree it's damned forevermore. Even if i recognise you may always hold it so.
I was more upset about Jo Cox and the election of Trump - both unpleasant incidents (and the former a tragedy) that have greatly soured the milk.
This is part of the early fruit of the labours of last summer. It will get worse.0 -
Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.GIN1138 said:She's had 65 years of having to entertain the mad, bad and clearly insane (and no doubt the Banqueting with The Donald before you can say "Donald Where's Your Trousers"...)
According to aides, he wants lunch at Churchill’s birthplace, the magnificent Blenheim Palace, where the gilt and ornamentation predate Trump Tower by two centuries. He wants a private tour of the Churchill War Rooms, with the foreign secretary as his deferential guide. Most audaciously he wants the Queen to ask him not to Windsor or Buckingham Palace but to Balmoral, which has always been a private retreat. To show that he can push the boundaries even further, he’s said to want to play a round of golf on its private course while the Queen, who is no golfer, is made to watch. It’s the ultimate expression of infantile hunger to be the centre of attention; requiring the world’s best-known monarch to endure being bored while you show off.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl70 -
5...4..3..2..1...Trump tweets that is fake news and the Trump claims he actually banned him from.the US.John_M said:Shots fired: Mexican president cancels his Trump visit.
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I guess they aren't keen to pay for Donald Trumps wall?Scott_P said:
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But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
I don't believe the NHS will receive £350m from any net savings we may achieve in the public finances from ending our contributions to the EU budget, no.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
I think it may get 75-125m a week with - possibly - a postdated pledge to raise in to that level in nominal terms post-Brexit, which HMG will politically get away with.
But all political campaigns are moronic. This one was for the highest possible stakes and both sides took absolutely no prisoners.0 -
https://twitter.com/laloalcaraz/status/824251911272546304GIN1138 said:I guess they aren't keen to pay for Donald Trumps wall?
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LOL! I feel a mysterious "Flu" will hit Brenda two hours before Air Force Trump touches down.Scott_P said:
Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.GIN1138 said:She's had 65 years of having to entertain the mad, bad and clearly insane (and no doubt the Banqueting with The Donald before you can say "Donald Where's Your Trousers"...)
According to aides, he wants lunch at Churchill’s birthplace, the magnificent Blenheim Palace, where the gilt and ornamentation predate Trump Tower by two centuries. He wants a private tour of the Churchill War Rooms, with the foreign secretary as his deferential guide. Most audaciously he wants the Queen to ask him not to Windsor or Buckingham Palace but to Balmoral, which has always been a private retreat. To show that he can push the boundaries even further, he’s said to want to play a round of golf on its private course while the Queen, who is no golfer, is made to watch. It’s the ultimate expression of infantile hunger to be the centre of attention; requiring the world’s best-known monarch to endure being bored while you show off.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl7 0 -
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
I've heard he wants to write a pro Brexit, pro Trump header on here too!Scott_P said:
Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.GIN1138 said:She's had 65 years of having to entertain the mad, bad and clearly insane (and no doubt the Banqueting with The Donald before you can say "Donald Where's Your Trousers"...)
According to aides, he wants lunch at Churchill’s birthplace, the magnificent Blenheim Palace, where the gilt and ornamentation predate Trump Tower by two centuries. He wants a private tour of the Churchill War Rooms, with the foreign secretary as his deferential guide. Most audaciously he wants the Queen to ask him not to Windsor or Buckingham Palace but to Balmoral, which has always been a private retreat. To show that he can push the boundaries even further, he’s said to want to play a round of golf on its private course while the Queen, who is no golfer, is made to watch. It’s the ultimate expression of infantile hunger to be the centre of attention; requiring the world’s best-known monarch to endure being bored while you show off.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl7
The man's a dreamer0 -
I refer you to 'All Out War' for the inside story on that whole sorry saga. I'm possibly being unkind, but the original poster was published immediately after Vote Leave were selected as the official campaign. To quote the book:TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
"Perhaps it was tiredness, perhaps it was overconfidence, but the poster promised to spend the UK’s entire £350 million weekly contribution to the EU on the NHS – the only time they ever said the whole sum would go to the Health Service. ‘That was one of our campaign fuck-ups,’ a campaign source admitted. ‘We’d had an argument about the wording internally. But as ever the ruling was, “It’s a row we want to have.”’
That ruling came from Cummings afaik.0 -
Interesting that on Vote UK Forum there are polls on both by elections. By their nature they are self selecting - 68% currently expect a Labour hold in Stoke with 62% predicting the same outcome in Copeland.YBarddCwsc said:Richard_Nabavi said:
No, I've kept out of this one. I'm on Labour in Copeland.isam said:He is the least "Remainy" of the four choices though... Maybe its his silly tweets. I thought it 50/50 at the start of the week, so should really be backing Lab now. Don't really have a big position on it, do you?
If I had to choose, I'd also back Labour in Stoke (I think they should be mild favourites), but it's a hard one to read.
I think Labour will hold Stoke.
Copeland, less sure. What makes me hesitate is that there is a future for a Tory MP for Copeland (as he or she will contest and most likely claim the enlarged Barrow seat at the next General Election).
Unless Woodcock goes, there is no future for a Labour MP for Copeland.
So, I just wonder if this makes the Tory candidate and team more motivated in what will be a close by-election.0 -
Tessie, LOLCarlottaVance said:
Or he calls her "Tess' or "Tessie"FrancisUrquhart said:Bets on trump spending half the time of his joint press with may spouting about the crowds, the voter fraud and the wall.
"Tessie, if I may call you that?"
"No"
Well, Tessie, we had a GREAT chat didn't we....0 -
Lol!!!Scott_P said:
Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.GIN1138 said:She's had 65 years of having to entertain the mad, bad and clearly insane (and no doubt the Banqueting with The Donald before you can say "Donald Where's Your Trousers"...)
According to aides, he wants lunch at Churchill’s birthplace, the magnificent Blenheim Palace, where the gilt and ornamentation predate Trump Tower by two centuries. He wants a private tour of the Churchill War Rooms, with the foreign secretary as his deferential guide. Most audaciously he wants the Queen to ask him not to Windsor or Buckingham Palace but to Balmoral, which has always been a private retreat. To show that he can push the boundaries even further, he’s said to want to play a round of golf on its private course while the Queen, who is no golfer, is made to watch. It’s the ultimate expression of infantile hunger to be the centre of attention; requiring the world’s best-known monarch to endure being bored while you show off.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl70 -
Democrats not happy TM speaking to the Republican's in Philadelphia
Back of the queue comes to mind0 -
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
"Tessie was telling me she saw the huge crowds on TV. She said it really looked like a festival of love..."RobD said:
Tessie, LOLCarlottaVance said:
Or he calls her "Tess' or "Tessie"FrancisUrquhart said:Bets on trump spending half the time of his joint press with may spouting about the crowds, the voter fraud and the wall.
"Tessie, if I may call you that?"
"No"
Well, Tessie, we had a GREAT chat didn't we....0 -
Yes it was masterful tactics - the more it was talked about the more it was talked about. Transparently obviously it wasn't a case of amount; I don't think £280m or £140m would have had any different effect, frankly.John_M said:
I refer you to 'All Out War' for the inside story on that whole sorry saga. I'm possibly being unkind, but the original poster was published immediately after Vote Leave were selected as the official campaign. To quote the book:TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
"Perhaps it was tiredness, perhaps it was overconfidence, but the poster promised to spend the UK’s entire £350 million weekly contribution to the EU on the NHS – the only time they ever said the whole sum would go to the Health Service. ‘That was one of our campaign fuck-ups,’ a campaign source admitted. ‘We’d had an argument about the wording internally. But as ever the ruling was, “It’s a row we want to have.”’
That ruling came from Cummings afaik.
I suppose that that's where we are with political campaigning now. Whatever works. But some people on here were castigating MPs for saying anything to get elected, and then betraying their constituents once in power. Here we have precisely the same thing and now it has become a good thing.0 -
To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
I am kind of thinking you are giving too much credit to people. I am not sure that any of those who previously supported the number have changed their tune about it. It is only those who said it as a mistake from the start who are still saying the same. I have certainly seen plenty of people still trying to justify it and believe they genuinely believe that. I just find the arguments unconvincing.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
I wonder if Trump will accuse BBC News of being Fake News in front of her?Big_G_NorthWales said:White House - President Trump and Prime Minister May will hold a joint press conference tomorrow.
Now that should be some viewing
I bet he interrupts her constantly. "wrrroonngg".0 -
Without doubt.Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
Edit: although as @isam has pointed out, we might have had to wait for 2030 to pick on some of the Remainers' contentions.0 -
The questions for Theresa May will be more awkward than the questions for Donald Trump. He will say whatever he feels like while she will be mindful that her own domestic audience is rather less accepting of alternative facts and alternative moralities.0
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#BackOfTheNetBig_G_NorthWales said:Democrats not happy TM speaking to the Republican's in Philadelphia
Back of the queue comes to mind
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The sky reporter "quoting" intelligence sources thay giving terrorist suspects a bottle of beer often more effective than torture...given most of the people who have been tortured by the us are strict Muslims somehow doubt that unless they mean they threaten to force feed said beer.0
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Democrats are an irrelevance right now. They don't control anything... not the presidency, not the congress, and not too many of the state houses.Big_G_NorthWales said:Democrats not happy TM speaking to the Republican's in Philadelphia
Back of the queue comes to mind0 -
A few non sequiturs thereTOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
She will not tolerate torture or any attack on womenAlastairMeeks said:The questions for Theresa May will be more awkward than the questions for Donald Trump. He will say whatever he feels like while she will be mindful that her own domestic audience is rather less accepting of alternative facts and alternative moralities.
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Is this US or UK sources? Maybe the are talking about experience with Irish dissidentsFrancisUrquhart said:The sky reporter "quoting" intelligence sources thay giving terrorist suspects a bottle of beer often more effective than torture...given most of the people who have been tortured by the us are strict Muslims somehow doubt that unless they mean they threaten to force feed said beer.
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In the run up to the Brexit debate, I made a habit of reading the opinions of the average football supporter on numerous football forums.ThreeQuidder said:
Really, Labour should hold both comfortably. At this rate I'll be topping up my Labour position with perhaps the tiniest hint of LD at 50ish for a giggle.DanSmith said:
Looks to me like Labour have done some polling there and they don't like what they are seeing.AlastairMeeks said:
I've been scratching my head about this one. A private poll is the best I can think of. It's not as though it's a particularly thin market either. Perhaps it's just weight of money - kippers' hopes spring eternal and some rightwing Tories are secretly eager to see Labour dished by anyone, even a rival party.isam said:Does anyone have a view on Political Betting, rather than repeating what they hope/forecast will happen because Leave won?
What has changed in the last 3 days to make UKIP go from 2.6 to 1.8 in Stoke? Any ideas?
On the evidence publicly available, Labour should be about 1.2 in my opinion. Even that would be an illustration of what a parlous state Labour are in at present.
Stoke City have a forum, and it was abundantly clear from that sample. that they were going to vote out, assuming they were representative of the average person from that area. The same was also obvious in Sunderland as well.
Reading the same forum on the subject of the upcoming by-election, it looks like Labour versus UKIP, with the Tories automatically dismissed and the Lib Dems not even worthy of a mention. Opinion seems fairly evenly divided, though Labour barely merit a good word ('failed the area'), while UKIP seem to be the "what have we got to lose?" option.
I'd imagine that any Brexit related obstacles that can be pinned at Labour's door will play into UKIP's hands.
If A50 proceeds smoothly, Labour should hold, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.0 -
And then she has to find a form of words that isn't going to upset the thin-skinned toupéed tangerine that's standing next to her.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will not tolerate torture or any attack on womenAlastairMeeks said:The questions for Theresa May will be more awkward than the questions for Donald Trump. He will say whatever he feels like while she will be mindful that her own domestic audience is rather less accepting of alternative facts and alternative moralities.
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I think she'll do OK.AlastairMeeks said:The questions for Theresa May will be more awkward than the questions for Donald Trump. He will say whatever he feels like while she will be mindful that her own domestic audience is rather less accepting of alternative facts and alternative moralities.
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You have just summed up PB. Please do tell where they occur in this instance.Blue_rog said:
A few non sequiturs thereTOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
@BBCNormanS: Labour amendments to Brexit bill; meaningfui vote; access to single market ;twice monthly updates; protect workers rights; 1/2
@BBCNormanS: Labour amendments cont... guarantee rights of EU nationals, keep EU tax evasion laws; consult devolved assemblies. 2/20 -
The problem that "remain" have with any sort of moral castigation of "leave" was that David Cameron was front and centre of the 'Remain' campaign.
He made it absolubtely clear in all of his previous campaigns that he would stop at absolutely nothing to secure victory, here's a poster depicting Alex Salmond as a thief: http://tinyurl.com/jgz4be5
Leave always had to play hardball to win, and don't forget there is no ASA with regards to political adverts. It was always going to get filthy.0 -
Why do MPs not simply vote according to their constituency result? That way each MP is safe in their constituency and the result is a strong leave vote in favour of A50?
I would vote for it - but if I was a Labour MP, Corbyn's outrageous 3 line whip would make me want to vote against. The most rebellious MP in parliament demanding a 3 line whip, really?
Of course the PLP seems to be composed almost entirely of eunuchs so the rebellion was predictably short lived. The PLP are digging their own graves, Corbyn is just handing them the shovels.0 -
They are very bitter - report this morning that Hillary Clinton is planning to stand again - she needs to get over herselfRobD said:
Democrats are an irrelevance right now. They don't control anything... not the presidency, not the congress, and not too many of the state houses.Big_G_NorthWales said:Democrats not happy TM speaking to the Republican's in Philadelphia
Back of the queue comes to mind0 -
They also denied certain obvious consequences of staying in. Though again those would have taken time to materialise.isam said:
To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
Looking forward to the same tweets regarding the SNPs, although we'll probably hit the vanilla character limitScott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Labour amendments to Brexit bill; meaningfui vote; access to single market ;twice monthly updates; protect workers rights; 1/2
@BBCNormanS: Labour amendments cont... guarantee rights of EU nationals, keep EU tax evasion laws; consult devolved assemblies. 2/2 0 -
I'm not castigating Leave, I'm interested in where we have come to in political debate and how we view the pronouncements of politicians.Pulpstar said:The problem that "remain" have with any sort of moral castigation of "leave" was that David Cameron was front and centre of the 'Remain' campaign.
He made it absolubtely clear in all of his previous campaigns that he would stop at absolutely nothing to secure victory, here's a poster depicting Alex Salmond as a thief: http://tinyurl.com/jgz4be5
Leave always had to play hardball to win, and don't forget there is no ASA with regards to political adverts. It was always going to get filthy.
Edit: well I am castigating leave but that's a pre-vote discussion.0 -
Possibly because there weren't and positives extravagant or otherwise to staying in the EUisam said:
To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
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Am not persuaded that Brexit will swing as many votes as widely assumed.chestnut said:
In the run up to the Brexit debate, I made a habit of reading the opinions of the average football supporter on numerous football forums.ThreeQuidder said:
Really, Labour should hold both comfortably. At this rate I'll be topping up my Labour position with perhaps the tiniest hint of LD at 50ish for a giggle.DanSmith said:
Looks to me like Labour have done some polling there and they don't like what they are seeing.AlastairMeeks said:
I've been scratching my head about this one. A private poll is the best I can think of. It's not as though it's a particularly thin market either. Perhaps it's just weight of money - kippers' hopes spring eternal and some rightwing Tories are secretly eager to see Labour dished by anyone, even a rival party.isam said:Does anyone have a view on Political Betting, rather than repeating what they hope/forecast will happen because Leave won?
What has changed in the last 3 days to make UKIP go from 2.6 to 1.8 in Stoke? Any ideas?
On the evidence publicly available, Labour should be about 1.2 in my opinion. Even that would be an illustration of what a parlous state Labour are in at present.
Stoke City have a forum, and it was abundantly clear from that sample. that they were going to vote out, assuming they were representative of the average person from that area. The same was also obvious in Sunderland as well.
Reading the same forum on the subject of the upcoming by-election, it looks like Labour versus UKIP, with the Tories automatically dismissed and the Lib Dems not even worthy of a mention. Opinion seems fairly evenly divided, though Labour barely merit a good word ('failed the area'), while UKIP seem to be the "what have we got to lose?" option.
I'd imagine that any Brexit related obstacles that can be pinned at Labour's door will play into UKIP's hands.
If A50 proceeds smoothly, Labour should hold, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.0 -
I don't see it as a good thing. Winning at all costs has never been attractive to me, neither do I feel that the ends justify the means.TOPPING said:
Yes it was masterful tactics - the more it was talked about the more it was talked about. Transparently obviously it wasn't a case of amount; I don't think £280m or £140m would have had any different effect, frankly.John_M said:TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
That ruling came from Cummings afaik.
I suppose that that's where we are with political campaigning now. Whatever works. But some people on here were castigating MPs for saying anything to get elected, and then betraying their constituents once in power. Here we have precisely the same thing and now it has become a good thing.
I thought the governments lies and exaggerations were disgraceful. I thought the same about both Leave.EU and Vote.Leave campaigns. The 'Turks are coming!" aspect was particularly repellent (strangely, the 'breaking point' poster didn't upset me, as I thought it was referring to the old 'Labour isn't working' campaign. It wasn't until I'd seen some of the 1930s stuff that I got it).
Grubby business, politics. I came away from reading Shipman's book mainly thinking that I never want to meet Mr Cummings. 0 -
They considered making a positive case for the EU, but concluded there wasn't one.isam said:
To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
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I've seen no reports of this. She's shown nothing but grace since the election IMHO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are very bitter - report this morning that Hillary Clinton is planning to stand again - she needs to get over herselfRobD said:
Democrats are an irrelevance right now. They don't control anything... not the presidency, not the congress, and not too many of the state houses.Big_G_NorthWales said:Democrats not happy TM speaking to the Republican's in Philadelphia
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Do you think she will invoke the scene from Love Actually?DanSmith said:
Incredible there was a suggestion this wouldn't happen.John_M said:
Oh God. Poor Theresa. Lie back and think of England dear heart.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: White House says President Trump will hold a news conference with Theresa May tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
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Dominic Waghorn on Sky is so biased against Trump and May he cannot get any balance in his reporting and it is all a disaster for TM. He sounds like a Cliinton spokesperson
There is no doubt that he hopes TM fails0 -
What hope is there for social democracy in UK in next few years when one can read this:
"Labour is effectively led by a triumvirate – Corbyn, plus Abbott and McDonnell, the two MPs who are most influential upon his thinking – though Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary is growing in importance."
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/why-has-jeremy-corbyn-committed-labour-voting-article-500 -
Sean Spicer trying to outdo Ed balls on Twitter
Not content with tweeting his own name, he tweeted his password instead...0 -
@TOPPINGTOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, hence was instrumental in securing victory, andhence that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
I don't see the inherent links0 -
I don't think Brexit will make any difference if A50 goes through parliament without issue.justin124 said:Am not persuaded that Brexit will swing as many votes as widely assumed.
If there is some impediment, then I think it may well spur a lot of people who are basically just fed up with the establishment - and in Stoke, Labour are the establishment.
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There's a very positive case for the EU. There's not much of a positive case for Cameron's position which was like encouraging people to go to a jazz club by saying "I don't like the music any more than you but we've got these great new earplugs."Casino_Royale said:
They considered making a positive case for the EU, but concluded there wasn't one.isam said:
To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?Casino_Royale said:
It was an exaggeration. But, if Remain had won, we'd be picking on theirs.TOPPING said:
Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, was instrumental in securing victory, and that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.0 -
The man can't tweet and chew gum.Scott_P said:Sean Spicer trying to outdo Ed balls on Twitter
Not content with tweeting his own name, he tweeted his password instead...0 -
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@PaulBrandITV: And one slightly unexpected amendment: Labour will only vote for Article 50 if PM promises not to turn the UK into a tax haven
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give me 20 mins I will be back to you, promise.Blue_rog said:
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Yes exactly. I don't mean to pick on @Casino_Royale but I'm interested to see that we have moved, perhaps only on PB, to the position whereby it is acknowledged that it was a lie/economic with the actualite, hence</> was instrumental in securing victory, andhence</> that that is a good thing.Richard_Tyndall said:
But on the other hand some of us said right back when the campaign was going on that it was a daft number to use. Given that the real accurate number would have been around £280 million a week it seemed particularly daft to use a number that could be reasonably challenged when there was a similarly huge number that could not be challenged. I note that Cummings did justify the number but I found his justification weak.TOPPING said:
I know but it's interesting to me that AFAICR no one hitherto has acknowledged that it was not true, that it helped Leave to win, and is happy with that.Casino_Royale said:
We have done the £350m on here dozens of times. In fact, nearly every time Scott posts that tweet - which is becoming just as tedious.TOPPING said:
Do you believe that the NHS will receive that £350m/week?Casino_Royale said:
Thanks for spreading the message and helping us secure victory.Scott_P said:
That's true. There are opportunities for all kinds ofCasino_Royale said:I see Brexit as a fantastic project for national democratic renewal.
riotsdemocratic outpourings of expression when this doesn't happen...
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/747000584226607104/photo/1
If not, it would be the first time I've heard a Leaver acknowledge that the dissemination of an untruth was critical to Leave's success. And is happy about it.
We have rehearsed at length that both sides lied, the campaign was awful, etc, but not the above.
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It reminds me of the media coverage of cuts ...the world was going to end...and when it didn't the media have set the bar so low they have used all their outrage ammunition up.Big_G_NorthWales said:Dominic Waghorn on Sky is so biased against Trump and May he cannot get any balance in his reporting and it is all a disaster for TM. He sounds like a Cliinton spokesperson
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Siddiq (who?) resigns from the Shadow Cabinet. Fuck, deja vu all over again. The buggers are coming in and out faster than I can remember their names.0
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Nice growth figures today.
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Just in time for the evening news bulletins.
https://order-order.com/2017/01/26/shadow-minister-tulip-siddiq-resigns/
A Labour MP resigns from Corbyn's front bench.0 -
@michaelsavage: A Labour frontbencher resigns over triggering Article 50, confirming that - somehow - the first #Brexit Commons crisis is a Labour one.0
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Only Labour could table an amendment insisting on EU nationals retaining their rights here in the UK but forget to bother to mention UK nationals living in EU countries.0
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Maybe Gisela brought it up...Richard_Nabavi said:Only Labour could insist on EU nationals retaining their rights here in the UK but forget to bother to mention UK nationals living in EU countries.
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John Moylan - BBC's Industry and Employment Correspondent - has mixed up the Single Market and the Customs Union. What a muppet.0
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I must have mis-remembered David Cameron going all Dr. Venkman then.isam said:To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?
"Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
Pretty sure that's what he promised if we voted Leave. A bit more than "bad things".....
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Only after A50 declarationMarqueeMark said:
I must have mis-remembered David Cameron going all Dr. Venkman then.isam said:To be fair did they make any extravagant positive promises? They just warned of bad things that would happen if we voted to Leave didn't they?
"Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
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@PaulBrandITV: Tulip Siddiq's resignation is a no-brainer really - a tiny majority in a seat where Remain won by a landslide and Lib Dems are nibbling.0
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Here we go. The bells toll for Jezza.0
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With all these amendments how do some get accepted and others rejected0
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Is this the start of a new plot to Get Jezza?Scott_P said:0
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