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Happy Birthday Malcolm.0
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The one we had locally when I was a child was more emphatic than that.TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
It is forbidden to throw stones at this sign.0 -
Happy Birthday Malcolm0
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Aye, orra best malc.TheScreamingEagles said:Happy Birthday Malcolm.
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I think she'll do around five to seven years.0
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- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."0 -
Cheers TSETheScreamingEagles said:Happy Birthday Malcolm.
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The political implications aren't going to depend on facts and figures over failure rates. I can't see this being an issue that Tory rebels would find it politically convenient or timely to hang an attack on May on. But I think we could be in for a couple of years of "May misled parliament over nuclear failure" on Twitter.FrancisUrquhart said:
Haven't you heard we are now in the post-truth / post-fact era....Malmesbury said:
From the last thread....perdix said:
All complex weapons systems have to undergo regular testing. There will occasionally be bugs which need sorting. It appears that the sub and the crew were certified as having passed the test. Perhaps the US designed missile had the bug. Nothing will come of this non story.MyBurningEars said:Trident issues could have implications within Labour too. Brings the issue into the spotlight again, so can't bury it. And a big shot in the arm for the abolitionists. Harder to get them to keep their traps shut.
Not good news for May either, but I wonder how much will ultimately come out about all this.
At the risk of introducing facts.. as far as I can tell, since the beginning of the TRident II program, there have been 157 successful flight tests and 6 failures (including partial successes).
The classic method for estimating the maximum probability of failure is a very simple equation :
failures / total flights
See https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013705.pdf
which gives us :
6/163 = 0.0368 = 3.6% maximum chance of failure.
This is considered a harsh maximum estimate, since most of the failures occurred in the early days of the program - which then conformed to the classic "bathtub" curve of early failures followed by massive increase in reliability.
This enables us to say that Trident II is reliable at delivering it's warheads to target as a *lower bound* (i.e. it is almost certainly better than this) of 96.3%
Which in historical terms makes it one of the most reliable weapons in human history....0 -
Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?0 -
Agree with its premise or not, that's an outstanding cartoon.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/8231622581549957120 -
"This page left intentionally blank"Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."0 -
Agree, it's a pretty naff cartoon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?0 -
First, we have aircraft carriers with no aircrafts on them. Then we have a missile system @ £40bn which when fired towards North Korea hits the US!0
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Mr. Surbiton, the point of testing is to find any potential problems with a system.
As for the carriers/aircraft: remind me which wise man signed a contract that made it cheaper to build two aircraft carriers than it was to cancel one of them?0 -
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."0 -
Where is your sense of humour or appreciation of realityEssexit said:
Agree, it's a pretty naff cartoon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?0 -
It's a good cartoon. It can mean many things. One might be that in leaving the EU Britannia is harming itself because it will cease to exist.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?
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Actually it was fired towards Spain. Is there something about Gibraltar we don’t know?surbiton said:First, we have aircraft carriers with no aircrafts on them. Then we have a missile system @ £40bn which when fired towards North Korea hits the US!
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Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, the point of testing is to find any potential problems with a system.
As for the carriers/aircraft: remind me which wise man signed a contract that made it cheaper to build two aircraft carriers than it was to cancel one of them?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.0 -
Thought they were abondoning Gibralter as part of Brexit outcomeOldKingCole said:
Actually it was fired towards Spain. Is there something about Gibraltar we don’t know?surbiton said:First, we have aircraft carriers with no aircrafts on them. Then we have a missile system @ £40bn which when fired towards North Korea hits the US!
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One is reality affirming and the other is reality denying.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
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If you read any IBM manuals in the 1970s, this was a common one. In fact it was useful, you knew you hadn't missed any pagesEssexit said:
"This page left intentionally blank"Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."0 -
Clearly not so bad. Only sawing off the nondominant hand. Just a bit crap.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/8231622581549957120 -
Present and correct. Happy Birthday!malcolmg said:
Where is your sense of humour or appreciation of realityEssexit said:
Agree, it's a pretty naff cartoon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?0 -
I may be wrong, but that looks like the worst Photoshop ever. I'm assuming it's a joke.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
A spoof, but this guy makes a lot of pertinent points (again)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY
Thanks for that link............
That is what my wife has to put up with every morning when I wake up and start the day reading the papers.......0 -
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
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LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.0 -
SO is something of a sucker for fake news stories. He's made a fool of himself repeatedly.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
From having a quick look at the associated Twitter account I don't think it's meant as a joke, follows a lot of accounts that have Ibrox in the background of the profile picture.rcs1000 said:
I may be wrong, but that looks like the worst Photoshop ever. I'm assuming it's a joke.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
Rather an internal contradiction in that inept scribble.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/8231622581549957120 -
Mr. Surbiton, Cameron was weak on Defence. But he didn't joyride it nearly as hard as Labour, nor did he starve it out funds whilst splurging on every other department.
Mr. Glenn, could you explain what you mean?0 -
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/8231622581549957120 -
I have to say I use that in all the formatted documents I create.Tim_B said:
If you read any IBM manuals in the 1970s, this was a common one. In fact it was useful, you knew you hadn't missed any pagesEssexit said:
"This page left intentionally blank"Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."0 -
MTimT said:
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
The characters should be the other way around. But then it wouldn't have been "funny".
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It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
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Defence spending was cut by the Conservatives under Thatcher and Major, then increased by Labour under Blair and Brown, then cut by the Conservative-led coalition under Cameron.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, Cameron was weak on Defence. But he didn't joyride it nearly as hard as Labour, nor did he starve it out funds whilst splurging on every other department.
Mr. Glenn, could you explain what you mean?0 -
My wife always thanks her ex for reminding her why she left him. If this is what Finland, ostensibly a UK ally within the EU, thinks of us, then we should thank them for reminding us ...MarkHopkins said:MTimT said:
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
The characters should be the other way around. But then it wouldn't have been "funny".0 -
Always worth checking the number of RFC, WATP, 'Sturgeons treachery' types who follow these accounts.SouthamObserver said:
It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
Snowflake ;-)MTimT said:
My wife always thanks her ex for reminding her why she left him. If this is what Finland, ostensibly a UK ally within the EU, thinks of us, then we should thank them for reminding us ...MarkHopkins said:MTimT said:
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
The characters should be the other way around. But then it wouldn't have been "funny".
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Perhaps you might this like Monika? You have to admit the guy has an eye rather than just dismissing him as crap.MonikerDiCanio said:
SO is something of a sucker for fake news stories. He's made a fool of himself repeatedly.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs0 -
I'm sure Finns are happy to keep bailing out Greece and will be happy to take a quota of refugees.MonikerDiCanio said:
Rather an internal contradiction in that inept scribble.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
There is no anti-e.u party in the Finnish government is there?0 -
On the Tube in London, they have doors, with locks on them, that have a sign saying: "Keep door locked at all times."TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.0 -
Note to self: don't go near Scottish football.Theuniondivvie said:
Always worth checking the number of RFC, WATP, 'Sturgeons treachery' types who follow these accounts.SouthamObserver said:
It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8158639/Scrapping-of-Harrier-jump-jet-is-short-sighted.html0 -
Finns Party.nunu said:
I'm sure Finns are happy to keep bailing out Greece and will be happy to take a quota of refugees.MonikerDiCanio said:
Rather an internal contradiction in that inept scribble.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
There is no anti-e.u party in the Finnish government is there?0 -
Just like in the US, Republican Presidents increase the deficit and then Democrat Presidents reduce it.DecrepitJohnL said:
Defence spending was cut by the Conservatives under Thatcher and Major, then increased by Labour under Blair and Brown, then cut by the Conservative-led coalition under Cameron.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, Cameron was weak on Defence. But he didn't joyride it nearly as hard as Labour, nor did he starve it out funds whilst splurging on every other department.
Mr. Glenn, could you explain what you mean?0 -
He's a foul-mouthed bore. La tua povera moglie.tyson said:
Perhaps you might this like Monika? You have to admit the guy has an eye rather than just dismissing him as crap.MonikerDiCanio said:
SO is something of a sucker for fake news stories. He's made a fool of himself repeatedly.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs0 -
CheersEssexit said:
Present and correct. Happy Birthday!malcolmg said:
Where is your sense of humour or appreciation of realityEssexit said:
Agree, it's a pretty naff cartoon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, I'm intrigued that leaving the EU is portrayed as an act of self-harm, but Scotland leaving the UK as an act of freedom.
A decade ago, we had a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor. When did we have both leading positions in the EU? And the impact of the UK leaving the EU single market is less than the impact of Scotland leaving the UK single market.
So, why's one tomfoolery and the other breaking the shackles of, er, a democratic country which Scotland recently voted to remain within?0 -
Pretty horrendous if true , even for old firmTheuniondivvie said:
Always worth checking the number of RFC, WATP, 'Sturgeons treachery' types who follow these accounts.SouthamObserver said:
It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/8232078671551528960 -
This tweet from Coral during the recent Old Firm match and the replies therein are a thing of beauty.SouthamObserver said:
Note to self: don't go near Scottish football.Theuniondivvie said:
Always worth checking the number of RFC, WATP, 'Sturgeons treachery' types who follow these accounts.SouthamObserver said:
It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/8151737939540090920 -
Only one person is showing their ignorance here and that is you. The Sea Harriers- the ones that actually fly from aircraft carriers were withdrawn from service in 2006 exactly as GLW stated. The GR9 Harriers flown by the RAF until 2011 were not suitable for either carrier operations or air defence as they were primarily ground attack aircraft.surbiton said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8158639/Scrapping-of-Harrier-jump-jet-is-short-sighted.html
Learn some basic facts before you attack others.0 -
They think the UK leaving the EU is an act of self-harm.MTimT said:
My wife always thanks her ex for reminding her why she left him. If this is what Finland, ostensibly a UK ally within the EU, thinks of us, then we should thank them for reminding us ...MarkHopkins said:MTimT said:
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.SouthamObserver said:Cartoon from Finland:
https://twitter.com/s2gray/status/823162258154995712
The characters should be the other way around. But then it wouldn't have been "funny".
Why do you think that's an insult?0 -
Och, it has its moments.SouthamObserver said:
Note to self: don't go near Scottish football.Theuniondivvie said:
Always worth checking the number of RFC, WATP, 'Sturgeons treachery' types who follow these accounts.SouthamObserver said:
It is for sure. I meant to write Classy stuff from Scotland about some Celtic fans here ... , but doing it on my phone meant fat fingers got in the way. I can't edit it now because the time limits done.Alistair said:
If that isn't a photoshop then I am the Queen of Sheeba.SouthamObserver said:Classy stuff from some Celtic fans here:
https://twitter.com/theweerovers/status/823207867155152896
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/8232191072859258900 -
Ignoramus person?surbiton said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8158639/Scrapping-of-Harrier-jump-jet-is-short-sighted.html
Apart from being a horrendous tautology...0 -
Mr. L, leaving aside Blair's penchant for military adventures, spending in other departments rose far more rapidly. Defence was very much a poor relation.
I agree Cameron was weak on Defence as well. However, he inherited a terrible economic position, whereas Blair and Brown had a golden economic inheritance.0 -
The Harrier 1 was decommissioned in 2006, while the second model was decomissioned in 2011. So you are both right!surbiton said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8158639/Scrapping-of-Harrier-jump-jet-is-short-sighted.html0 -
Lordy, do we have to go over this again? The mistake was Hoon creating Joint Force Harrier in 2000. This put the Harriers (the RAF's GR7/GR9s and the RN's Sea Harriers) under a joint command. Now, the RAF and RN are uneasy bedfellows at best, and what happened next was widely predicted. The RAF nicked the planes, and in 2006 the Sea Harriers were scrapped, partly because they were of little use to the RAF.surbiton said:
THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, the point of testing is to find any potential problems with a system.
As for the carriers/aircraft: remind me which wise man signed a contract that made it cheaper to build two aircraft carriers than it was to cancel one of them?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Since the Sea Harriers were the only ones with radars, and our Invincible-class carriers had no airborne radars, it made Harriers virtually useless for combat off them. Therefore the army used the GR7/9's more, and the RN had to allow Spanish planes to land on our operating carriers to keep aircrews current. (*)
To make matters worse, the Labour government kept on lying that we had three Invincible-class carriers. In the mid-2000's HMS Invincible was put in a low state of readiness. This meant, apparently, it could got ready to go back to see in a few months. In reality, it had been heavily striped o provide spares for its sisters, and had no engines.
Labour lies.
Oh, and happy birthday Malc.
(*) This, it should be noted, is very similar to the fact that the US will initially operate F35's off our new carriers, which some in Labour circles have got het up about.0 -
Cheers JJJosiasJessop said:
Lordy, do we have to go over this again? The mistake was Hoon creating Joint Force Harrier in 2000. This put the Harriers (the RAF's GR7/GR9s and the RN's Sea Harriers) under a joint command. Now, the RAF and RN are uneasy bedfellows at best, and what happened next was widely predicted. The RAF nicked the planes, and in 2006 the Sea Harriers were scrapped, partly because they were of little use to the RAF.surbiton said:
THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, the point of testing is to find any potential problems with a system.
As for the carriers/aircraft: remind me which wise man signed a contract that made it cheaper to build two aircraft carriers than it was to cancel one of them?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Since the Sea Harriers were the only ones with radars, and our Invincible-class carriers had no airborne radars, it made Harriers virtually useless for combat off them. Therefore the army used the GR7/9's more, and the RN had to allow Spanish planes to land on our operating carriers to keep aircrews current. (*)
To make matters worse, the Labour government kept on lying that we had three Invincible-class carriers. In the mid-2000's HMS Invincible was put in a low state of readiness. This meant, apparently, it could got ready to go back to see in a few months. In reality, it had been heavily striped o provide spares for its sisters, and had no engines.
Labour lies.
Oh, and happy birthday Malc.
(*) This, it should be noted, is very similar to the fact that the US will initially operate F35's off our new carriers, which some in Labour circles have got het up about.0 -
Happy birthday Malc.0
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Anyway, I must be off.0
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Makes 'vapid bilge' look like elegant EnglishTheScreamingEagles said:
Ignoramus person?surbiton said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8158639/Scrapping-of-Harrier-jump-jet-is-short-sighted.html
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Reminds me of another excellent cartoon produced before the Scottish referendum:malcolmg said:
https://www.cairnstoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/safer-together.png
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I think I need not say anything else, as others have amply explained your error.surbiton said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8576541/Harrier-jump-jets-sold-for-peanuts.htmlglw said:
LABOUR scrapped the Sea Harriers in 2006.surbiton said:THe dismantling of the Harriers far too early was one of Cam's early decisions. Of course, he was right ! Britain did not need an aircraft carrier for 6 years. Does it ever ?
Missile technology has been around for decades. I think the Americans sold us duds.
Take this you biased ignoramus person.
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True sign on some MoD equipment:BudG said:
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
'For safety reasons, this equipment should be stored with the top at the bottom and the bottom at the top. To avoid confusion, the top is marked 'bottom' and the bottom is marked 'top'.'
Edit - and happy birthday @malcolmg. May your natal whisky taste sweet and all turnips be confounded!0 -
cheers RichardRichard_Tyndall said:Happy birthday Malc.
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Thanks ydoethur, turnips will be in big demand this week.ydoethur said:
True sign on some MoD equipment:BudG said:
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
'For safety reasons, this equipment should be stored with the top at the bottom and the bottom at the top. To avoid confusion, the top is marked 'bottom' and the bottom is marked 'top'.'
Edit - and happy birthday @malcolmg. May your natal whisky taste sweet and all turnips be confounded!0 -
Excellentdaodao said:
Reminds me of another excellent cartoon produced before the Scottish referendum:malcolmg said:
https://www.cairnstoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/safer-together.png0 -
Brilliant!ydoethur said:
True sign on some MoD equipment:BudG said:
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
'For safety reasons, this equipment should be stored with the top at the bottom and the bottom at the top. To avoid confusion, the top is marked 'bottom' and the bottom is marked 'top'.'
Edit - and happy birthday @malcolmg. May your natal whisky taste sweet and all turnips be confounded!
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Defence spending under Labour no doubt increased to pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even then our lads were not initially equipped to do the jobs that they were asked to do.DecrepitJohnL said:
Defence spending was cut by the Conservatives under Thatcher and Major, then increased by Labour under Blair and Brown, then cut by the Conservative-led coalition under Cameron.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, Cameron was weak on Defence. But he didn't joyride it nearly as hard as Labour, nor did he starve it out funds whilst splurging on every other department.
Mr. Glenn, could you explain what you mean?
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Kellyanne Conway must be having a laugh 'alternative facts'....really?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPk33c4A6kv/?taken-by=theshaderoom
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Just heard about the one about the nuke which flew in the wrong direction. In these strange times where a lunatic has been handed a button which can destroy the world it's good to have something to laugh about.0
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Happy birthday Malc. You made it!0
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Just watched Diane Abbott's interview with Andrew Neil this morning and you have to ask how on earth anyone as incompetent as she is has managed to be in a shadow cabinet at all let alone shadow home secretary.
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If large passenger jets are to be without their engines for some time, they are apparently replaced with large blocks of concrete hanging off the pylons (I presume so the wings remain stressed correctly).ydoethur said:
True sign on some MoD equipment:BudG said:
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
'For safety reasons, this equipment should be stored with the top at the bottom and the bottom at the top. To avoid confusion, the top is marked 'bottom' and the bottom is marked 'top'.'
Edit - and happy birthday @malcolmg. May your natal whisky taste sweet and all turnips be confounded!
On one picture I've seen, the large concrete blocks are painted bright yellow. Stencilled in black on each block is : "Remove before flight."
I wish I could find the pictures again ...
(This is where someone tells me it was an early Internet spoof)0 -
That's very funny!The_Apocalypse said:Kellyanne Conway must be having a laugh 'alternative facts'....really?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPk33c4A6kv/?taken-by=theshaderoom0 -
She and Thornberry fronted up by Corbyn himself must be the weakest leading trio since Joseph Chamberlain found himself in acting charge of a shadow cabinet consisting of his son, the Marquess of Lansdowne and Walter Long.Big_G_NorthWales said:Just watched Diane Abbott's interview with Andrew Neil this morning and you have to ask how on earth anyone as incompetent as she is has managed to be in a shadow cabinet at all let alone shadow home secretary.
At least Lansbury had Bevin and Attlee to fall back on - talented and relatively youthful politicians with big careers ahead of them - rather than geriatric has-beens one of whose chief claim to fame is that she had sex with the leader 30 years ago.0 -
Even if it's a spoof, it's still funny!JosiasJessop said:
If large passenger jets are to be without their engines for some time, they are apparently replaced with large blocks of concrete hanging off the pylons (I presume so the wings remain stressed correctly).ydoethur said:
True sign on some MoD equipment:BudG said:
When I was about 12 I used to get up early during summer holidays and help my Dad with his milk-round. One morning I picked up an empty bottle on a doorstep containing a note. It read:TOPPING said:
Please inform us if you do not receive this mail.Tim_B said:
- and let's not forget the label on the top of a ketchup bottle - "Do not buy if this label is missing".TOPPING said:
There was a "Please don't throw stones at this sign".MTimT said:
My favorite is signs that say "Don't read this sign"viewcode said:
Wasn't it Spooner who wrote a note which at the bottom had a postscript saying "ignore this note"?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not a knife in the heart, because I've said both bets are unappealing so no bets for me.viewcode said:KNIFE IN THE HEART OF TSE, PTII
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I am not locking money up for over 11 yrs to get 10/1, and 1/25 is too short for the alternative.
Or the classic sign at railway crossings "Beware of trains going both ways at once."
"No milk today. By today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this yesterday.
'For safety reasons, this equipment should be stored with the top at the bottom and the bottom at the top. To avoid confusion, the top is marked 'bottom' and the bottom is marked 'top'.'
Edit - and happy birthday @malcolmg. May your natal whisky taste sweet and all turnips be confounded!
On one picture I've seen, the large concrete blocks are painted bright yellow. Stencilled in black on each block is : "Remove before flight."
I wish I could find the pictures again ...
(This is where someone tells me it was an early Internet spoof)0 -
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
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I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
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But you catch even more flies with manure.rcs1000 said:
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
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That may provide exactly the impetus the EU was lacking to become a single nation state.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
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But even the reporter... Why does he say falsehood?Roger said:
That's very funny!The_Apocalypse said:Kellyanne Conway must be having a laugh 'alternative facts'....really?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPk33c4A6kv/?taken-by=theshaderoom
Can't we just call it a lie... Isnt that the kind of straight talking people want?
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Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will run directly contrary to our interests - we need open markets, not protectionist ways. The policies of Trump's White House really are the most antithetical to the UK's interests we have seen for many a long year.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
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There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talksSouthamObserver said:
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will run directly contrary to our interests - we need open markets, not protectionist ways. The policies of Trump's White House really are the most antithetical to the UK's interests we have seen for many a long year.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
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Presumably as Ambassador to a large block, he has the ultimate sinecure then! everyday off!Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
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Well technically, there's this blue-light thing that goes "zzzip"...TheScreamingEagles said:
But you catch even more flies with manure.rcs1000 said:
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
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I have no doubt that many in the EU will see this as an opportunity to grow closer but equally there will be many who do not. I believe that as the EU has grown to 27 countries agreements become horribly difficult and usually agreements are at the the lowest common denominator.AnneJGP said:
That may provide exactly the impetus the EU was lacking to become a single nation state.Big_G_NorthWales said:The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
I do not want to see the EU fail, indeed it would be a disaster, but it needs to embrace change in a positive way and rid itself of its malign thinking.
And it needs to start by accepting Brexit and make positive noises for a mutually beneficial trade deal recognising that the UK will be out altogther but will be it's best friend and a conduit to the US0
