The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There is no deal that could conceivably get through Congress which will come close to replacing what we lose as a result of leaving the single market. Just as Germany is a net exporter to
Yes so we are leaving the single market as the EU will not allow border control and full free trade so having the prospect of a trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The EU is our largest export market, by far. Tariff free access to the US will make little difference when compared to it becoming more expensive and time-consuming to do business where we trade most. That's before you even factor in tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the EU who have decided to launch a trade war not the UK. Of course more UK exports go to the U.S. than any individual EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
If Germany sneezes, Europe catches a cold and the UK gets very poorly indeed. What Trump wants is diametrically opposed to our interests.
Germany takes approximately 10% of our exports which is significant, second highest in fact, but a 20% reduction in sales there means a 2% reduction in exports. We are not so dependent upon them now and we will be even less so when we are out of the EU.
Germany's problems are not our problems. We have enough problems of our own.
Do you think the rest of the EU will not have problems if Germany does?
Hard to say. If German exports fell there would be a need to increase domestic demand ( something Germany is very well placed to do if it was so minded) and this might actually help the rest of the EZ. Very little benefit flows to the EZ from Germany's capital good export for anyone except Germany. Over the last 7-8 years Germany has been a parasite on the EZ sucking up demand, creating mass unemployment in other countries and enriching itself at their expense. No one wants serious problems in Germany but a rebalancing of policy would be welcome.
You are echoing Trumps comments about Germany
Not intentionally and just because Trump said it doesn't necessarily mean that it is wrong. It's just kind of obvious that the German model exploits its trading partners.
The only difference now is that the leader of the free world is saying it
Wow. I am leader of the free world? No wonder we have so many problems.
In 2008 or thereabouts someone in Swansea ( council?) sent a note in English to the translation dept to have the sign bilingualised into Welsh as all road signs are here. The English said "Heavy goods vehicle restricted access" or something similar. The translation duly came back quickly with the Welsh version from the translator. This Welsh was duly put on the sign and the sign was made and put in place. Sadly the Welsh said "I'm out of the office at present. Please forward anything for translation".
I would say the U.S.is in a strong position against Germany in isolation. Germany has a massive trade balance, mostly in automotive products, which Trump wants to indigenise. Less so if the EU sticks together. EU trade represents too much of American exports. somewhat similar to our position versus the EU, but less extreme. This is probably why Trump wants to pick off individual countries and is a good reason for countries to stay members of the EU.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Mrs M is a very smart lady. Not someone to try to get the better of.
Have you got a link?
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
Trump is threatening BMW already with 35% tariffs if they go ahead with their new factory in Mexico.
I share many concerns about trade wars but I think Germany is facing a huge threat from Trump, not only on the plan for an EU army which he opposes, but their contributions to NATO and his dislike of the way they have economically damaged the south through the euro.
These are unprecedented times
I hadn't picked up on Mr Trump's dislike of plans for an EU army. I thought that he'd be glad of such a thing, given that he's none too keen on NATO.
For the US to be dominant it needs smaller nations states to deal with, not big trading and military blocs. An effective EU army would underpin a strong EU: the last thing that Trump believes is in America's interests.
The EU can never have an effective military of any description because it couldn't pay for it without USA's bucks.
EU GDP PPP is bigger than USA (even without the UK) so why can the EU countries not pay for an effective military? They just need to start meeting the NATO 2% minimum. Germany being the single biggest culprit in $, barely paying half its share.
It's not just money. It's being willing to kill your enemies, and to take casualties. Civilised governments prefer to pay people to litigate against their own soldiers.
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
If Germany sneezes, Europe catches a cold and the UK gets very poorly indeed. What Trump wants is diametrically opposed to our interests.
Germany takes approximately 10% of our exports which is significant, second highest in fact, but a 20% reduction in sales there means a 2% reduction in exports. We are not so dependent upon them now and we will be even less so when we are out of the EU.
Germany's problems are not our problems. We have enough problems of our own.
Do you think the rest of the EU will not have problems if Germany does?
Hard to say. If German exports fell there would be a need to increase domestic demand ( something Germany is very well placed to do if it was so minded) and this might actually help the rest of the EZ. Very little benefit flows to the EZ from Germany's capital good export for anyone except Germany. Over the last 7-8 years Germany has been a parasite on the EZ sucking up demand, creating mass unemployment in other countries and enriching itself at their expense. No one wants serious problems in Germany but a rebalancing of policy would be welcome.
You are echoing Trumps comments about Germany
Not intentionally and just because Trump said it doesn't necessarily mean that it is wrong. It's just kind of obvious that the German model exploits its trading partners.
The only difference now is that the leader of the free world is saying it
Wow. I am leader of the free world? No wonder we have so many problems.
To be fair I think there would be some relief in some quarters if you were
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Mrs M is a very smart lady. Not someone to try to get the better of.
Have you got a link?
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
Trump is threatening BMW already with 35% tariffs if they go ahead with their new factory in Mexico.
I share many concerns about trade wars but I think Germany is facing a huge threat from Trump, not only on the plan for an EU army which he opposes, but their contributions to NATO and his dislike of the way they have economically damaged the south through the euro.
These are unprecedented times
I hadn't picked up on Mr Trump's dislike of plans for an EU army. I thought that he'd be glad of such a thing, given that he's none too keen on NATO.
For the US to be dominant it needs smaller nations states to deal with, not big trading and military blocs. An effective EU army would underpin a strong EU: the last thing that Trump believes is in America's interests.
The EU can never have an effective military of any description because it couldn't pay for it without USA's bucks.
EU GDP PPP is bigger than USA (even without the UK) so why can the EU countries not pay for an effective military? They just need to start meeting the NATO 2% minimum. Germany being the single biggest culprit in $, barely paying half its share.
It's not just money. It's being willing to kill your enemies, and to take casualties. Civilised governments prefer to pay people to litigate against their own soldiers.
or prefer to pay for their welfare states and 50% levels of unemployed young folk.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the EU who have decided to launch a trade war not the UK. Of course more UK exports go to the U.S. than any individual EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Funny, but based on a falsehood. If one nation is chained to make escape difficult, it is the UK, not Scotland.
The characters should be the other way around. But then it wouldn't have been "funny".
My wife always thanks her ex for reminding her why she left him. If this is what Finland, ostensibly a UK ally within the EU, thinks of us, then we should thank them for reminding us ...
They think the UK leaving the EU is an act of self-harm. Why do you think that's an insult?
And you don't think the idea has imprisoned, shackled and enslaved Scotland is not insulting? The idea that we have treated them unfairly, or won't give them their freedom?
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the EU who have decided to launch a trade war not the UK. Of course more UK exports go to the U.S. than any individual EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Both sides lied - again why do you think we will lose our EU export market and why not widen our markets worldwide
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
Neither candidate deserved to win.
That was the whole problem, wasn't it? Donald Trump is a mind-bendingly unappealing candidate - old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had done nothing in politics, a menace to women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. However, you then remember that his opponent was also old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had spent years in politics but done nothing, is married to the only President ever to be put on criminal trial while in office due to his appalling behaviour towards young women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. Just to make two obvious comparisons, Hilary seized on the birther idea in 2008 and threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran, and Trump seized on the birther narrative...hopefully he will draw back from the second one although with Trump you can never tell. Heck, they even used to be quite good friends at one time.
I didn't want Trump to be president, but I cannot get worked up over the thought that Hilary lost. Had it been Bayh or even Sanders in place of Clinton, I might have reacted differently (I've never rated Biden either, who is a gaffe prone fool). But bluntly I think the two candidates were very similar and were both awful. The tragedy was that one had to become president.
The one that always amused me and no idea if its true or urban myth was the chicken cannon
Apparently so the stories go aircraft windscreens are tested by firing chicken carcasses at them with the cannon and some british company borrowed one from the states but all the windscreens kept failing the test. When the us parent company investigated it was found the brits were going down to the supermarket and buying frozen chicken to fire
Being born within a turbine-blade's throw of Rolls Royce in Derby, we were always told that story, except with jet engines. The story is they fire a chicken into the engine to see how well it copes with bird strikes. Except someone once used a frozen one ...
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the EU who have decided to launch a trade war not the UK. Of course more UK exports go to the U.S. than any individual EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Citation for who told you leaving would be painless, please.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Thing is I just don't get this. I bow to no one in my opposition to the EU but I really don't see how Trump's views are going to make a blind bit of difference. There is no trade deal.in place now between the US and the EU. TTIP was dead long before Trump got anywhere near power and there is no prospect of anything replacing it in the timescale that Trp is likely to have any effect over. And yet lots of trade is going on between the US and EU and will continue to do so.
The bottom line is that the EU are sure as he'll not going to change some of their fundemental rules about how they negotiate trade deals just to.pander to Trump so his claims about doing deals with separate states are just another example of his disconnect from reality .
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
I would say this blog reflects quite well the spread of political opinion in Britain. If you think it's particularly right-wing then perhaps you've been operating in a social media bubble..?
I think it's because reasonable centre/centre left people get attacked by the far right.
of course center left people never attack anyone - oh no.......
Even if they did their cause is just so it doesn't count.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
Neither candidate deserved to win.
And Gary Johnson is the worst politician of all time.
What's Aleppo? FFS.
All he needed to do was come across as amenable and coherent and he'd have got himself into the debates. Trump vs Clinton was a perfect opportunity handed to him on a plate... he dropped the plate.
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
Neither candidate deserved to win.
That was the whole problem, wasn't it? Donald Trump is a mind-bendingly unappealing candidate - old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had done nothing in politics, a menace to women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. However, you then remember that his opponent was also old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had spent years in politics but done nothing, is married to the only President ever to be put on criminal trial while in office due to his appalling behaviour towards young women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. Just to make two obvious comparisons, Hilary seized on the birther idea in 2008 and threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran, and Trump seized on the birther narrative...hopefully he will draw back from the second one although with Trump you can never tell. Heck, they even used to be quite good friends at one time.
I didn't want Trump to be president, but I cannot get worked up over the thought that Hilary lost. Had it been Bayh or even Sanders in place of Clinton, I might have reacted differently (I've never rated Biden either, who is a gaffe prone fool). But bluntly I think the two candidates were very similar and were both awful. The tragedy was that one had to become president.
It's not just the candidates, it's the parties. The Republicans and Democrats are both very unappealing.
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Hannan and Johnson made that claim. I did not believe them. That is why I voted remain.
Remain did point out repeatedly that leaving would lead to pain. Unfortunately, being told these things by the likes of Junker, Osborne and Mandelson did not sway the votes of the majority of the electorate, which is why we are leaving.
Whether they did not believe them, thought it was a price worth paying to get rid of the EU or some combination of both I have no idea and insufficient data to speculate with.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Thing is I just don't get this. I bow to no one in my opposition to the EU but I really don't see how Trump's views are going to make a blind bit of difference. There is no trade deal.in place now between the US and the EU. TTIP was dead long before Trump got anywhere near power and there is no prospect of anything replacing it in the timescale that Trp is likely to have any effect over. And yet lots of trade is going on between the US and EU and will continue to do so.
The bottom line is that the EU are sure as he'll not going to change some of their fundemental rules about how they negotiate trade deals just to.pander to Trump so his claims about doing deals with separate states are just another example of his disconnect from reality .
How did Justin Huggler get a job at the Torygraph? He's their man on the spot in Koblenz, reporting on the international conference of the populist right that was addressed by Le Pen, Petry, and Wilders.
For the novel he hacked out to cash in on the gig he got with the invaders in Iraq he even got a promotional quote from Robert Fisk, praising how good he was at revealing the "cynicism and cowardice of journalists". But in his article on the Koblenz gathering he ludicrously writes
"Rival demonstrators put up statues of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin for some reason."
If he was so ignorant and lazy that he couldn't work the reason out, couldn't he have walked up to them and asked them? Or if he was too posh to do that, or if he doesn't know German, or if he only learnt about the statues from watching the TV or reading another newspaper, couldn't he have asked a hotel maid, or a bartender, or a lift attendant? And if he couldn't be bothered, why does he think that anyone gives a toss that some twerp at what used to be considered a readable paper doesn't understand an event that happened outside a meeting he was sent hundreds of miles to cover, an event that any idiot could explain to him if asked?
Setting out his plan at Vote Leave's headquarters in London, Mr Gove said: "The core of our new arrangement with the EU is clear.
"There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU.
"After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
It was not credible to suggest that Britain - alongside Belarus - would be kept out of the zone.
"Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."
He added: "The idea that the German government would damage its car manufacturers - and impoverish workers in those factories - to make a political point about Britain's choices; or the French government would ignore its farmers - and damage their welfare - to strike a pose; or the Italian government would undermine its struggling industries just to please Brussels... well, that is ridiculous."
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
Neither candidate deserved to win.
That was the whole problem, wasn't it? Donald Trump is a mind-bendingly unappealing candidate - old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had done nothing in politics, a menace to women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. However, you then remember that his opponent was also old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had spent years in politics but done nothing, is married to the only President ever to be put on criminal trial while in office due to his appalling behaviour towards young women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. Just to make two obvious comparisons, Hilary seized on the birther idea in 2008 and threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran, and Trump seized on the birther narrative...hopefully he will draw back from the second one although with Trump you can never tell. Heck, they even used to be quite good friends at one time.
I didn't want Trump to be president, but I cannot get worked up over the thought that Hilary lost. Had it been Bayh or even Sanders in place of Clinton, I might have reacted differently (I've never rated Biden either, who is a gaffe prone fool). But bluntly I think the two candidates were very similar and were both awful. The tragedy was that one had to become president.
It's not just the candidates, it's the parties. The Republicans and Democrats are both very unappealing.
I find it telling that the things the Republican Party are most excited about doing now that Trump is President are slashing taxes for the most wealthy and a repeal of Obamacare, and spending on national infrastructure and housing the least.
The Democrats stand for affirmative action, migrant amnesties, unionised labour, identity politics writ-large, political correctness, and all but a total disdain of middle America.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody the EU.
It was EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Citation for who told you leaving would be painless, please.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Mrs M is a very smart lady. Not someone to try to get the better of.
Have you got a link?
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
Trump is threatening BMW already with 35% tariffs if they go ahead with their new factory in Mexico.
I share many concerns about trade wars but I think Germany is facing a huge threat from Trump, not only on the plan for an EU army which he opposes, but their contributions to NATO and his dislike of the way they have economically damaged the south through the euro.
These are unprecedented times
I hadn't picked up on Mr Trump's dislike of plans for an EU army. I thought that he'd be glad of such a thing, given that he's none too keen on NATO.
For the US to be dominant it needs smaller nations states to deal with, not big trading and military blocs. An effective EU army would underpin a strong EU: the last thing that Trump believes is in America's interests.
The EU can never have an effective military of any description because it couldn't pay for it without USA's bucks.
EU GDP PPP is bigger than USA (even without the UK) so why can the EU countries not pay for an effective military? They just need to start meeting the NATO 2% minimum. Germany being the single biggest culprit in $, barely paying half its share.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Mrs M is a very smart lady. Not someone to try to get the better of.
Have you got a link?
The US will win any trade war with the EU in the short-term, however smart Merkel is. But longer term, it will do tremendous damage to itself, as well as to others. However much Trump may wish it, the US cannot shield itself from the global economy.
Trump is threatening BMW already with 35% tariffs if they go ahead with their new factory in Mexico.
I share many concerns about trade wars but I think Germany is facing a huge threat from Trump, not only on the plan for an EU army which he opposes, but their contributions to NATO and his dislike of the way they have economically damaged the south through the euro.
These are unprecedented times
I hadn't picked up on Mr Trump's dislike of plans for an EU army. I thought that he'd be glad of such a thing, given that he's none too keen on NATO.
For the US to be dominant it needs smaller nations states to deal with, not big trading and military blocs. An effective EU army would underpin a strong EU: the last thing that Trump believes is in America's interests.
The EU can never have an effective military of any description because it couldn't pay for it without USA's bucks.
EU GDP PPP is bigger than USA (even without the UK) so why can the EU countries not pay for an effective military? They just need to start meeting the NATO 2% minimum. Germany being the single biggest culprit in $, barely paying half its share.
It's not just money. It's being willing to kill your enemies, and to take casualties. Civilised governments prefer to pay people to litigate against their own soldiers.
Easy for me to say, I have never yet to fight, and likely I never will, but that's the sort of thing that helped bring down the Roman Empire.
The proposed US ambassador to the EU said on Andrew Neil this morning that Trump blames Germany for sucking all the wealth away from the southern nation states and that he is against large blocks and will only deal with Nation States. Apparently he has not spoken to Merkel yet and if he confirms his views, as is likely, it will sew the seed of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
I always find you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Welcome to the World of Trump where black is white and white is black.
I know this is a right-wing blog with quite a few nutters but did/does anyone actually support Trump here?
Neither candidate deserved to win.
That was the whole problem, wasn't it? Donald Trump is a mind-bendingly unappealing candidate - old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had done nothing in politics, a menace to women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. However, you then remember that his opponent was also old, incompetent, rich, mired in dubious business dealings, had spent years in politics but done nothing, is married to the only President ever to be put on criminal trial while in office due to his appalling behaviour towards young women, thin skinned and aggressive and oozing entitlement from every pore. Just to make two obvious comparisons, Hilary seized on the birther idea in 2008 and threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran, and Trump seized on the birther narrative...hopefully he will draw back from the second one although with Trump you can never tell. Heck, they even used to be quite good friends at one time.
I didn't want Trump to be president, but I cannot get worked up over the thought that Hilary lost. Had it been Bayh or even Sanders in place of Clinton, I might have reacted differently (I've never rated Biden either, who is a gaffe prone fool). But bluntly I think the two candidates were very similar and were both awful. The tragedy was that one had to become president.
It's not just the candidates, it's the parties. The Republicans and Democrats are both very unappealing.
I find it telling that the things the Republican Party are most excited about doing now that Trump is President are slashing taxes for the most wealthy and a repeal of Obamacare, and spending on national infrastructure and housing the least.
The Democrats stand for affirmative action, migrant amnesties, unionised labour, identity politics writ-large, political correctness, and all but a total disdain of middle America.
What a choice.
A choice between sticking your head in a bucket of shit (Republicans) or a bucket of acid (Democrats)
Unchallenged, he seems minded to threaten many of the hardest-won achievements of recent British foreign policy: welcoming the disintegration of the EU (Steve Bannon, his adviser, reportedly wants to build closer links with continental parties promoting that), weakening NATO, applauding Mr Putin’s adventurism, ripping up climate-change accords and the nuclear deal with Iran. Britain has shed blood and treasure in pursuit of these goals. Its exports to the rest of the EU are worth £171bn, compared with the £45bn value of those to America. To cheer on or turn a blind eye to such vandalism in the spirit of continental one-upmanship would be utterly short-sighted, doing diplomatic and economic damage that would far outlast the four- or eight-year span of Mr Trump’s presidency. Let Britain not become Europe’s answer to Chris Christie.
Setting out his plan at Vote Leave's headquarters in London, Mr Gove said: "The core of our new arrangement with the EU is clear.
"There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU.
"After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
It was not credible to suggest that Britain - alongside Belarus - would be kept out of the zone.
"Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."
He added: "The idea that the German government would damage its car manufacturers - and impoverish workers in those factories - to make a political point about Britain's choices; or the French government would ignore its farmers - and damage their welfare - to strike a pose; or the Italian government would undermine its struggling industries just to please Brussels... well, that is ridiculous."
One of the things I find most irritating is the elision between access to the single market and membership of the same. It's a bit like the confusion between deficit and debt back in the halcyon days when we worried about such things.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the EU who have decided to launch a trade war not the UK. Of course more UK exports go to the U.S. than any individual EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Not subsidising renewables is one thing. Banning them altogether is something else.
Well the average wyoming american citizen will presumably see their electricty bill come down as a result. And I am sure the renewable industry will just decamp en masse to California where they are sure of a warm welcome.
Surely utilities should make all decisions for economic reasons? Banning the use of one type - irrespective of cost - is not going to make bills cheaper.
It is dumb but if course the main reason is that Wyoming is a massive coal producer. These guys are putting Trumpism into practice early.
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
Setting out his plan at Vote Leave's headquarters in London, Mr Gove said: "The core of our new arrangement with the EU is clear.
"There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU.
"After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
It was not credible to suggest that Britain - alongside Belarus - would be kept out of the zone.
"Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."
He added: "The idea that the German government would damage its car manufacturers - and impoverish workers in those factories - to make a political point about Britain's choices; or the French government would ignore its farmers - and damage their welfare - to strike a pose; or the Italian government would undermine its struggling industries just to please Brussels... well, that is ridiculous."
One of the things I find most irritating is the elision between access to the single market and membership of the same. It's a bit like the confusion between deficit and debt back in the halcyon days when we worried about such things.
Do you believe the language in Vote Leave's position statement is intended to mislead and which 'zone' do you think they're referring to? They speak about remaining in a 'free trade zone' which clearly goes beyond mere 'access to' the single market.
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
The best result for Macron would have been Montebourg but Hamon would be better for him than Valls. Regardless of who is P.S. nominee though all the polls now show a Le Pen v Fillon run off
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people who voted to Leave the EU, the Tory leader at the time wanted us to Remain as did the present PM. The majority of Leave voters wanted control of free movement and if the EU refuse to allow that at all and allow full access to the single market at the same time it will be the
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody the EU.
It was EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Citation for who told you leaving would be painless, please.
Walking away from the EU, not negotiating a new agreement with the EU or putting up any new trade barriers will bring about a 4% gain in GDP, consumer price fall of 8% and an expansion of the UK’s competitive services sector to take the place of diminishing manufacturing output.
Setting out his plan at Vote Leave's headquarters in London, Mr Gove said: "The core of our new arrangement with the EU is clear.
"There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU.
"After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
It was not credible to suggest that Britain - alongside Belarus - would be kept out of the zone.
"Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."
He added: "The idea that the German government would damage its car manufacturers - and impoverish workers in those factories - to make a political point about Britain's choices; or the French government would ignore its farmers - and damage their welfare - to strike a pose; or the Italian government would undermine its struggling industries just to please Brussels... well, that is ridiculous."
One of the things I find most irritating is the elision between access to the single market and membership of the same. It's a bit like the confusion between deficit and debt back in the halcyon days when we worried about such things.
Do you believe the language in Vote Leave's position statement is intended to mislead and which 'zone' do you think they're referring to? They speak about remaining in a 'free trade zone' which clearly goes beyond mere 'access to' the single market.
I don't know if it is intended to misslead, but I think it is at best ambiguous. It's the 'access to' phrase that I get irritated by as it is difficult to forsee circumstances under which we would not have access.
Reading it more carefully you are right: the zone they are refering to is the free trade zone itself, not the group of contries with access to it.
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
The best result for Macron would have been Montebourg but Hamon would be better for him than Valls. Regardless of who is P.S. nominee though all the polls now show a Le Pen v Fillon run off
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody the EU.
It was EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Citation for who told you leaving would be painless, please.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody the EU.
It was EU nation and more to the rest of the world than the EU
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
Citation for who told you leaving would be painless, please.
That the pain is not mentioned is not the same as saying that there will be no pain. Again, where's the citation? Same applies to Mr Glenn's response.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
I don't understand the big hoo-har over this Trident thing? What relevence does a recent missile test problem have in a debate for/against a replacement of Trident?
The UK government should be wary of being led up the garden path by Trump. He could just as easily turn his back, or use the US-UK trade talks as a pawn in discussions with a more important counterparty.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people whohe single market at the same time it will be the
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
So what? Nearly half of all our exports go to somewhere you say we are about to have a trade war with. The British people were never at any stage told about that.
It's remarkable that having had two votes go against them, certain sections of the community now consider that we're living in an age of totalitarianism. The contempt for ordinary people is breathtaking.
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
The best result for Macron would have been Montebourg but Hamon would be better for him than Valls. Regardless of who is P.S. nominee though all the polls now show a Le Pen v Fillon run off
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
If that happens, a huge shout out should go to David Herdson for tipping Hamon at north of 120/1.
I should make a nice little bit off that as a trading bet.
I think a Le Pen v. Macron fight will be closer than Le Pen v. Fillion, so, if that starts to look likely, I won't be laying Le Pen much more at current odds, because I think they'll shorten.
Unchallenged, he seems minded to threaten many of the hardest-won achievements of recent British foreign policy: welcoming the disintegration of the EU (Steve Bannon, his adviser, reportedly wants to build closer links with continental parties promoting that), weakening NATO, applauding Mr Putin’s adventurism, ripping up climate-change accords and the nuclear deal with Iran. Britain has shed blood and treasure in pursuit of these goals. Its exports to the rest of the EU are worth £171bn, compared with the £45bn value of those to America. To cheer on or turn a blind eye to such vandalism in the spirit of continental one-upmanship would be utterly short-sighted, doing diplomatic and economic damage that would far outlast the four- or eight-year span of Mr Trump’s presidency. Let Britain not become Europe’s answer to Chris Christie.
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people whohe single market at the same time it will be the
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
So what? Nearly half of all our exports go to somewhere you say we are about to have a trade war with. The British people were never at any stage told about that.
It's not just pull up the drawbridge - it's load the cannon, too.
I don't understand the big hoo-har over this Trident thing? What relevence does a recent missile test problem have in a debate for/against a replacement of Trident?
It doesn't.
But the media, being comprised of utter thickos, think that they're onto something HUGE. I mean, really HUGE.
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
SO said
So what? Nearly half of all our exports go to somewhere you say we are about to have a trade war with. The British people were never at any stage told about that.
You are still in denial about the nature of the internal market. It's protectionist
The UK government should be wary of being led up the garden path by Trump. He could just as easily turn his back, or use the US-UK trade talks as a pawn in discussions with a more important counterparty.
I am sure that HMG will be aware of the pros and cons of our relationship with Trump and indeed I do not consider this meeting later in this week with Trump by Theresa May as a walk in the park.
Sky reporting a state visit to UK for Trump later this year with an accompanied visit to the war rooms with Boris
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
Unchallenged, he seems minded to threaten many of the hardest-won achievements of recent British foreign policy: welcoming the disintegration of the EU (Steve Bannon, his adviser, reportedly wants to build closer links with continental parties promoting that), weakening NATO, applauding Mr Putin’s adventurism, ripping up climate-change accords and the nuclear deal with Iran. Britain has shed blood and treasure in pursuit of these goals. Its exports to the rest of the EU are worth £171bn, compared with the £45bn value of those to America. To cheer on or turn a blind eye to such vandalism in the spirit of continental one-upmanship would be utterly short-sighted, doing diplomatic and economic damage that would far outlast the four- or eight-year span of Mr Trump’s presidency. Let Britain not become Europe’s answer to Chris Christie.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
@ReggieCidev- no, I am in denial about any notion that prior to the referendum voters were told that Brexit would entail a trade war with the EU. HYUFD seems to be implying that this was and is the natural consequence of our vote to Leave. I beg to differ.
Yes, the single market is protectionist. Just like all other markets.
Unchallenged, he seems minded to threaten many of the hardest-won achievements of recent British foreign policy: welcoming the disintegration of the EU (Steve Bannon, his adviser, reportedly wants to build closer links with continental parties promoting that), weakening NATO, applauding Mr Putin’s adventurism, ripping up climate-change accords and the nuclear deal with Iran. Britain has shed blood and treasure in pursuit of these goals. Its exports to the rest of the EU are worth £171bn, compared with the £45bn value of those to America. To cheer on or turn a blind eye to such vandalism in the spirit of continental one-upmanship would be utterly short-sighted, doing diplomatic and economic damage that would far outlast the four- or eight-year span of Mr Trump’s presidency. Let Britain not become Europe’s answer to Chris Christie.
There is no question of Britain cheering it on. Did the Economist not hear Theresa May's speech?
We want a trade deal, and also an opportunity to use our influence to moderate Trump and his team, forlorn though that may ultimately turn out to be.
If even his own party cannot influence Trump, what chance of foreigners doing so?
So we just accept what he says - this will be a big test for Theresa May and it is not just the UK who must hope she can have some influence but the EU as well
The one that always amused me and no idea if its true or urban myth was the chicken cannon
Apparently so the stories go aircraft windscreens are tested by firing chicken carcasses at them with the cannon and some british company borrowed one from the states but all the windscreens kept failing the test. When the us parent company investigated it was found the brits were going down to the supermarket and buying frozen chicken to fire
Being born within a turbine-blade's throw of Rolls Royce in Derby, we were always told that story, except with jet engines. The story is they fire a chicken into the engine to see how well it copes with bird strikes. Except someone once used a frozen one ...
It was the chicken ingestion test that definitively bankrupted rolls Royce in 1971 and almost did the same to their customer Lockheed. The RB211 engine had innovative carbon fibre fan blades, which shattered on contact with the chicken.
It's remarkable that having had two votes go against them, certain sections of the community now consider that we're living in an age of totalitarianism. The contempt for ordinary people is breathtaking.
This from Newsnight shows there is nothing new under the sun, and written by none other than Plato and Socrates:
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
So another polling surprise in France. Montebourg fell well short of expectations. I guess he ended up being the squeezed middle, Hamon outflanked him on the left, Valls on the right. It's probably near certain that Hamon wins the nomination considering he will get the vast majority of transfers from Montebourg, which means the trailing 3rd place candidate in both primary contests ended coming through and winning!
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
If that happens, a huge shout out should go to David Herdson for tipping Hamon at north of 120/1.
I should make a nice little bit off that as a trading bet.
I think a Le Pen v. Macron fight will be closer than Le Pen v. Fillion, so, if that starts to look likely, I won't be laying Le Pen much more at current odds, because I think they'll shorten.
Latest polling has Fillon v Le Pen slightly tighter than Macron v Le Pen though not much in it
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
The proposed US ambassador of dissent against Merkel and Germany.
Things are not going to get any easier for the EU
Of course the US will prefer to do trade deals with single countries. It gives it more opportunity to dictate terms. A trade war with Germany will effectively be a trade war with the EU. That will
There will inevitably be some protectionism from the EU to the UK post Brexit and visa versa, a potential trade deal with the U.S. at least strengthens May's hand in the Brexit talks
There to
Yes in negotiations
No deal will be done before we leave the EU and then it would depend on what the terms of the deal are. One that essentially leaves us where we are now, or which
Any deal which expands exports to our largest export market will show that the UK has alternatives when the inevitable tariffs from the EU arrive, it is just a question of trying to minimise them
The tariffs.
The UK is about to enter a trade war with the EU because it refuses to separate control
Bloody hell - surely Tory Brexit cannot involve initiating a trade war with our single biggest export market. That would be disastrous. There seems to be very little that the Tories will not inflict on the British people in order to get us out of the EU.
It was the British people whohe single market at the same time it will be the
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
So what? Nearly half of all our exports go to somewhere you say we are about to have a trade war with. The British people were never at any stage told about that.
The majority of British people who voted Leave did so to control free movement if the EU refuses to compromise all the polls show a majority of Leave voters put controlling free movement first even if the EU force a trade war
EU: You cannot have the Single Market without Freedom of Movement UK: Understood, so we won't seek the Single Market EU: You misunderstand. You must have a deal which includes Freedom of Movement.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
It's remarkable that having had two votes go against them, certain sections of the community now consider that we're living in an age of totalitarianism. The contempt for ordinary people is breathtaking.
This from Newsnight shows there is nothing new under the sun, and written by none other than Plato and Socrates:
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
After a few hospital stays I can think of serveral things that were quick and easy but by no means painless. You probably don't want details...
It's remarkable that having had two votes go against them, certain sections of the community now consider that we're living in an age of totalitarianism. The contempt for ordinary people is breathtaking.
This from Newsnight shows there is nothing new under the sun, and written by none other than Plato and Socrates:
More fool the people who preceded him for not realising where they were
When Trump recited "the Snake" he appeared to be talking about migrants; but it seems to me that he was hiding in plain sight. The Snake that he refers to is himself, in the White House.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
No. The clear overall sense of the debate was one side shouting Armageddon and the other side either ignoring the pain side or, if pressed, saying that there would be short-term pain that would be more than offset in the longer-term.
Surbiton is trying to create revisionist history, but it is still a crock of shit, even if Mr Glenn and you try to say it ain't so.
It is quick and easy to perform certain types of surgery. They are not usually painless.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
Andrea Leadsom - "It will be as easy as we want it to be." "Totally, absolutely" a fast and easy negotiation.
Delivering the A50 notification with a note saying we would not be negotiating but instead immediately falling back on WTO rules would indeed be quick and easy. So to that extent, Leadsom was entirely right.
Gove said 'it would be ridiculous' for the UK not to be allowed to remain in a 'free trade zone'. I think that's pretty close to saying that a painless transition will be easy.
It is still not Surbiton's claim to have been told it would be painless.
So, one news article on an obscure website claims that Germany will make it painless and Surbiton takes that to mean he has been promised it will be painless? Pathetic!
You were pedantic enough to insist on that precise word. This is clear enough though:
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
It still does not say it will be painless. You have to have been a half-wit to have been convinced by what was actually said that we were being told it would be painless. You had one side claiming immediate financial armageddon (now denied, or postponed) and the other countering those ridiculous claims, with some ridiculous arguments of their own. But no-one said it would be painless.
Would you say the phrase 'quick and easy' is a synonym for 'painless'?
No. The clear overall sense of the debate was one side shouting Armageddon and the other side either ignoring the pain side or, if pressed, saying that there would be short-term pain that would be more than offset in the longer-term.
Surbiton is trying to create revisionist history, but it is still a crock of shit, even if Mr Glenn and you try to say it ain't so.
It is quick and easy to perform certain types of surgery. They are not usually painless.
How viable would California be as an independent country?
Could Trump stop it?
Would Trump stop it?
The Calexit campaign has offices in Moscow and has been seeking funding in Russia. It might be a potential source of disagreement between Trump and Putin.
Comments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm
BTW feel free to start your own left-wing blog.
Advantage Macron?
And you don't think the idea has imprisoned, shackled and enslaved Scotland is not insulting? The idea that we have treated them unfairly, or won't give them their freedom?
I didn't want Trump to be president, but I cannot get worked up over the thought that Hilary lost. Had it been Bayh or even Sanders in place of Clinton, I might have reacted differently (I've never rated Biden either, who is a gaffe prone fool). But bluntly I think the two candidates were very similar and were both awful. The tragedy was that one had to become president.
One thing they are looking at is for will the damage result in a contained failure.
Uncontained failures are messy and of course more hazardous.
Talking of "bird strikes" I saw one involving a condor once. it made quite a mess.
I have seen pics of strikes (on ground obviously) by various animals including a Kangaroo.
A large animal getting hit by a plane at speed makes a hell of a mess.
Sad to say it is not unknown for a human to be ingested into a jet engine.
The bottom line is that the EU are sure as he'll not going to change some of their fundemental rules about how they negotiate trade deals just to.pander to Trump so his claims about doing deals with separate states are just another example of his disconnect from reality .
Even if they did their cause is just so it doesn't count.
LOL. Balsamic is about as sweet as it comes in the vinegar department.
What's Aleppo? FFS.
All he needed to do was come across as amenable and coherent and he'd have got himself into the debates. Trump vs Clinton was a perfect opportunity handed to him on a plate... he dropped the plate.
Remain did point out repeatedly that leaving would lead to pain. Unfortunately, being told these things by the likes of Junker, Osborne and Mandelson did not sway the votes of the majority of the electorate, which is why we are leaving.
Whether they did not believe them, thought it was a price worth paying to get rid of the EU or some combination of both I have no idea and insufficient data to speculate with.
For the novel he hacked out to cash in on the gig he got with the invaders in Iraq he even got a promotional quote from Robert Fisk, praising how good he was at revealing the "cynicism and cowardice of journalists". But in his article on the Koblenz gathering he ludicrously writes
"Rival demonstrators put up statues of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin for some reason."
If he was so ignorant and lazy that he couldn't work the reason out, couldn't he have walked up to them and asked them? Or if he was too posh to do that, or if he doesn't know German, or if he only learnt about the statues from watching the TV or reading another newspaper, couldn't he have asked a hotel maid, or a bartender, or a lift attendant? And if he couldn't be bothered, why does he think that anyone gives a toss that some twerp at what used to be considered a readable paper doesn't understand an event that happened outside a meeting he was sent hundreds of miles to cover, an event that any idiot could explain to him if asked?
Setting out his plan at Vote Leave's headquarters in London, Mr Gove said: "The core of our new arrangement with the EU is clear.
"There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU.
"After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."
It was not credible to suggest that Britain - alongside Belarus - would be kept out of the zone.
"Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."
He added: "The idea that the German government would damage its car manufacturers - and impoverish workers in those factories - to make a political point about Britain's choices; or the French government would ignore its farmers - and damage their welfare - to strike a pose; or the Italian government would undermine its struggling industries just to please Brussels... well, that is ridiculous."
The Democrats stand for affirmative action, migrant amnesties, unionised labour, identity politics writ-large, political correctness, and all but a total disdain of middle America.
What a choice.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html
Sooner or later your enemies call your bluff.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/823265996781875200
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2017/01/special-relationship?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/thespecialrelationshipbritainshouldseekdonaldtrumpsrespectnothisaffection
Good for Macron, bad for Melenchon. I think a Le Pen v Macron round 2 is getting more likely. The two of them will both be turning their fire very heavily on Fillon now, he will struggle to fight both flanks at once.
(Economists for Brexit - Minford, Bootle etc)
Reading it more carefully you are right: the zone they are refering to is the free trade zone itself, not the group of contries with access to it.
I am on Hamon at 250 thanks to Chris in Paris.
https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/823256557295116288
I should make a nice little bit off that as a trading bet.
I think a Le Pen v. Macron fight will be closer than Le Pen v. Fillion, so, if that starts to look likely, I won't be laying Le Pen much more at current odds, because I think they'll shorten.
We want a trade deal, and also an opportunity to use our influence to moderate Trump and his team, forlorn though that may ultimately turn out to be.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193/all-info
But the media, being comprised of utter thickos, think that they're onto something HUGE. I mean, really HUGE.
(lol)
We were told that leaving the EU would be painless. No-one said anything about a trade war. Saying that we need to follow the rules to enjoy the benefits of club membership is not a declaration of war, it is a statement of the bleeding obvious. The EU cannot be blamed if Tory Leavers lied to the British people. And, as you know, the EU is our single biggest export market, by a country mile.
The Leave vote won and on a platform of controlling free movement which all the polls show Leave voters put above full single market access on a forced choice. 56% of UK exports now go outside the EU
SO said
So what? Nearly half of all our exports go to somewhere you say we are about to have a trade war with. The British people were never at any stage told about that.
You are still in denial about the nature of the internal market. It's protectionist
Sky reporting a state visit to UK for Trump later this year with an accompanied visit to the war rooms with Boris
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6266/why_germany_will_ensure_a_painless_brexit
"Why Germany will ensure a painless Brexit"
Yes, the single market is protectionist. Just like all other markets.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_RB211
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/822144209687875585
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14571296.Boris_Johnson__EU_tariffs_would_be__insane__if_UK_backs_Brexit/
Boris Johnson drew cheers from the crowd, saying: "I must say that I think that it was extraordinary to hear that we would have tariffs imposed on us because everybody knows that this country receives about a fifth of Germany's entire car manufacturing output - 820,000 vehicles a year.
"Do you seriously suppose that they are going to be so insane as to allow tariffs to be imposed between Britain and Germany?"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-latest-eu-germany-wolfgang-schaeuble-finance-minister-hard-brexit-immigration-switzerland-a7540506.html
Summary:
EU: You cannot have the Single Market without Freedom of Movement
UK: Understood, so we won't seek the Single Market
EU: You misunderstand. You must have a deal which includes Freedom of Movement.
Coming to a theatre near you soon:
UK: Read my lips.
The US Isolationism of the interwar years does have more than a few echoes:
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/uhic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?failOverType=&query=&prodId=UHIC&windowstate=normal&contentModules=&display-query=&mode=view&displayGroupName=Reference&dviSelectedPage=&limiter=&currPage=&disableHighlighting=true&displayGroups=&sortBy=&zid=&search_within_results=&p=UHIC:WHIC&action=e&catId=&activityType=&scanId=&documentId=GALE|CX2876500047&source=Bookmark&u=imgacademy&jsid=c1b63883e4fa44f488e3cf929f8aabdc
Andrea Leadsom - "It will be as easy as we want it to be." "Totally, absolutely" a fast and easy negotiation.
https://youtu.be/tKJlhn_KQL0
Surbiton is trying to create revisionist history, but it is still a crock of shit, even if Mr Glenn and you try to say it ain't so.
It is quick and easy to perform certain types of surgery. They are not usually painless.
Delivering the A50 notification with a note saying we would not be negotiating but instead immediately falling back on WTO rules would indeed be quick and easy. So to that extent, Leadsom was entirely right.
Could Trump stop it?
Would Trump stop it?
Edit: lol someone's already polled it post election;
https://cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/survey_usa_111616.pdf
23% support
57% oppose
2) Yes, there's a belief that no state can secede from the United States
3) No, 50 odd electoral college votes lost for the Democrats would cheer up the GOP no end.