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The UK is still a major economy. I don't expect us to get everything we want: negotiations will be tough, with countries playing hardball, but I don't see other (smaller) economies around the world getting royally rogered every time they do a trade deal. Nor do I see the UK as juicy prey - a fresh carcass, cleaved from the herd - ready for ferocious stripping by the vultures that circle about us in the outside world.williamglenn said:
If the deal is credible it will pass with no problem. This is in the scenario where negotiations fail, not only with the EU but with the rest of the world.Casino_Royale said:
Or May calls a GE, is returned to office with a bigger majority and a new manifesto pledge to pass it, and it sails through.williamglenn said:
And if parliament says 'No' that would effectively be a vote of no confidence. A new PM goes straight to Brussels and calls it off.tpfkar said:The vote will be "do you approve regulations X"? so it won't itself specify what a No vote means.
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So TSE thinks this is a super hard Brexit but forex traders seem to think softer than they were expecting.
Glad that's that cleared up.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone imagine Corbyn or Leadsom having given that speech
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That's a tad unfair. Wanting a fully federal USE is hardly beyond the political pale, and doesn't imply a lack of patriotism.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is clearly a desire by William whose loathing for this country and fanatical blind support for the EU are constantly apparentShropshireLadd said:
Is this an opinion or a desire? Why exactly do you want it to fail so much?williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.0 -
Thanks all.
So sounds like some leadership, then?
OK where she's leading us to will remain a topic of debate (oh yes) but am I right in saying it was a step up from her normal dour, say nothingness?0 -
Why would the Germans want to risk us slapping import duties on German cars? Tariff-free trade seems best for all concerned.Casino_Royale said:
Her position has been restricted access to the single market if we don't accept the four freedoms.williamglenn said:
If Merkel is reelected, she will uphold the integrity of the treaties at any cost.Casino_Royale said:
EU federalists will think exactly as you describe; the EU heads of government will not.williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.
I know who will win out.
We've said: ok.0 -
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.0 -
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They're in a quiet little country pub, rather than that massive JDW in the shopping centre!Stark_Dawning said:
Drunk out of their skulls by midday most likely, if I know Basingstoke.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good reception for TM on Sky from voters in a pub in Basingstoke - both leavers and remainers positive and one female remain voter said she had been inspired by the speech
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That would have meant unacceptable wear and tear on my hyphen key.JonathanD said:John_M said:
A 6%-smaller-than-otherwise-economy-by-2030 abyss, that's what!TwistedFireStopper said:
Genuinely, what abyss are we staring into?FeersumEnjineeya said:
We may be after 2 years of staring into the abyss.welshowl said:
We are not going to be contrite enough.williamglenn said:
Not an extension but a revocation. It would be an easy decision for them if the UK were contrite enough.CarlottaVance said:Its either 'deal' or 'WTO Crash'......unless you think you can get 27 governments to agree to an extension.....
Probably better to use the confidence interval figures and the fact that the deal may be closer to WTO terms, - so a -4.6% to -9.5% poorer economy by 2030 with the gap getting larger every year.0 -
Indeed. They just need to be able to argue it's crapper than being in the EU.DecrepitJohnL said:
Luckily, restricted access includes a lot of wiggle room.Casino_Royale said:
Her position has been restricted access to the single market if we don't accept the four freedoms.williamglenn said:
If Merkel is reelected, she will uphold the integrity of the treaties at any cost.Casino_Royale said:
EU federalists will think exactly as you describe; the EU heads of government will not.williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.
I know who will win out.
We've said: ok.
And it will be fairly straightforward to do that, in one sense, because the UK has already had a currency shrinkage, will no longer play any part in setting its rules, but be tangentially influenced by that, and will probably still have to pay a big-ish subscription fee.0 -
Sindy ref 3 now stone dead.
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Dien Bien PhuTheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Can anyone imagine Corbyn or Leadsom having given that speech
Corbyn could have given that speech. Of course half way through he would have switched to talking about adopting Antarctic Penguins.
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BBC vox pops from Birmingham, almost next to useless - E. Europeans working in a coffee shop, hardly cutting edge work. Perhaps they are hard working students taking engineering degrees.0
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an improvement on owls though?MarkHopkins said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Can anyone imagine Corbyn or Leadsom having given that speech
Corbyn could have given that speech. Of course half way through he would have switched to talking about adopting Antarctic Penguins.0 -
More likely the maximum wage Ozil should get paid at part of his new contract...MarkHopkins said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Can anyone imagine Corbyn or Leadsom having given that speech
Corbyn could have given that speech. Of course half way through he would have switched to talking about adopting Antarctic Penguins.0 -
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True and with the increase in import prices best not to risk that :-)John_M said:
That would have meant unacceptable wear and tear on my hyphen key.JonathanD said:John_M said:
A 6%-smaller-than-otherwise-economy-by-2030 abyss, that's what!TwistedFireStopper said:
Genuinely, what abyss are we staring into?FeersumEnjineeya said:
We may be after 2 years of staring into the abyss.welshowl said:
We are not going to be contrite enough.williamglenn said:
Not an extension but a revocation. It would be an easy decision for them if the UK were contrite enough.CarlottaVance said:Its either 'deal' or 'WTO Crash'......unless you think you can get 27 governments to agree to an extension.....
Probably better to use the confidence interval figures and the fact that the deal may be closer to WTO terms, - so a -4.6% to -9.5% poorer economy by 2030 with the gap getting larger every year.0 -
That did sound a bit like a massive bluff calling......oh, and we won't be paying either - whodyathink's gonna have to pick up that bill....?Casino_Royale said:
Her position has been restricted access to the single market if we don't accept the four freedoms.williamglenn said:
If Merkel is reelected, she will uphold the integrity of the treaties at any cost.Casino_Royale said:
EU federalists will think exactly as you describe; the EU heads of government will not.williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.
I know who will win out.
We've said: ok.0 -
My thesis is that the EU (in hindsight) probably knows it made a mistake with free movement and the UK. Or, more accurately, failed to read the runes on immigration itself.Dromedary said:
For all the formal acknowledgement (whether with teeth clenched or while singing the Ode to Joy) that Britain is in Europe, there has always been this attitude in Britain that the EU and indeed Europe are foreign entities.Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I .Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
In France there are politicians such as Emmanuel Macron who is calling for a revision to EU policy on immigration rather than wrapping himself in the tricolour. In Germany quite a few people say things like "How can we compete with China and the US if we're not united?" Britain never reached that stage. Elite arrogance didn't allow it. The EU "we" never came into existence here. If someone in Britain used the word "we" in that way, they'd be looked at as if they were a nutcase.
EU27 does not have the required level of unity to make an example of Britain. What unity it does have is decreasing. In March when Wilders wins a plurality in the Dutch election, everyone will be talking about the Netherlands. And then there's France. Dutch events will affect the atmosphere there. For that matter, Trump could appear by video link at Le Pen's conference in Germany on Saturday. Not a certainty, but it could happen. Nexit and Frexit and goodness knows where else-exit will be the notions of the season. Trump will probably help with that in his inauguration speech.
Both Britain and EU27 seem to be up you-know-where without a paddle.
But, they also blame Cameron's political expediency, and slightly cynical negotiation, just as much for that. And countries like Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark mourn the loss of the UK probably more than they are angered by it.
Others will be more angered, but also relieved, as they recognise the UK was a break on ever-closer union and half-out anyway.
The Trump card, played correctly, could work in the UK's favour both ways.0 -
Operation von Choltitz would be my choice for the Paris move.TheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.CarlottaVance said:
Old cove in charge of NPD in previous job named projects after Overlord beaches....until someone rumbled him.....TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.
When I was working on a major UK retailer's plan to build/open one of Europe's largest depots, I named it Project FMS.
A few months later I met the board and they asked what FMS stood for, I sheepishly and sotto voce said 'Fucking Massive Shed'
Re your FMS project, was it near Daventry?
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You should call it Project Dien Bien Phu.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.0 -
The EU negotiating term will be based on how much UK based business they reckon they can have relocate to the continent versus how much they will lose in UK exports.JohnLilburne said:
Why would the Germans want to risk us slapping import duties on German cars? Tariff-free trade seems best for all concerned.Casino_Royale said:
Her position has been restricted access to the single market if we don't accept the four freedoms.williamglenn said:
If Merkel is reelected, she will uphold the integrity of the treaties at any cost.Casino_Royale said:
EU federalists will think exactly as you describe; the EU heads of government will not.williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.
I know who will win out.
We've said: ok.
Talk about 'punishing us' is a load of nonsense but there will be a load of mercantilism.0 -
Interesting snippet in German press
The head of the AfD in Mecklenburg Vorpommern has announced he is going head to head with Angela Merkel in her consitiuency in East Germany with the aim of unseating her.
On paper he hasnt a hope, Merkel won 56% of the last vote, but since then there have been boundary changes, the AfD have overtaken the CDU in the local polls and Mrs Merkel is not as popular as she was.
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No. Near Doncaster.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Operation von Choltitz would be my choice for the Paris move.TheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.CarlottaVance said:
Old cove in charge of NPD in previous job named projects after Overlord beaches....until someone rumbled him.....TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.
When I was working on a major UK retailer's plan to build/open one of Europe's largest depots, I named it Project FMS.
A few months later I met the board and they asked what FMS stood for, I sheepishly and sotto voce said 'Fucking Massive Shed'
Re your FMS project, was it near Daventry?0 -
Didn't Marine le Pen's old man fight there?John_M said:
You should call it Project Dien Bien Phu.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.0 -
But how much uncertainty has been removed? It was widely trailed beforehand that we'd be leaving the single market. Now, though, the promise of a parliamentary vote seems to leave the door slightly ajar to the possibility of remaining in the EU after all, should everything be going pear-shaped in 2 years.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:Pound up three cents on the dollar since this morning, one and a half against the Euro.
Just removing uncertainty helps.0 -
May calls a general election and you vote Tory if you like the deal, LD if you think it is too hard, UKIP if you think it is too soft and Corbyn Labour if you want to turn post Brexit UK into Cuba!DecrepitJohnL said:
How would that work? For May to have lost the first vote (or a vote of confidence) ere opting outCasino_Royale said:
Or May calls a GE, is returned to office with a bigger majority and a new manifesto pledge to pass it, and it sails through.williamglenn said:
And if parliament says 'No' that would effectively be a vote of no confidence. A new PM goes straight to Brussels and calls it off.tpfkar said:The vote will be "do you approve regulations X"? so it won't itself specify what a No vote means.
Either way, it is a complete mess.0 -
The poor man never stood a chance. The Tory Right are sniffing Trump now and their tails are up. They have long despised the effete, Europeanized Britain with its pampered ways and insufficient respect for the mighty and want us to muscle up. Trump's US will be their blueprint. As for the rest of us - we will learn to accept that we were allowed too much of what wasn't deemed good for us. We will work; we will make ends meet; we will die.rottenborough said:So, to go all Kremlinology on this, it looks like Hammond lost in Cabinet on single market.
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Not if Tim Farron gets his wayFeersumEnjineeya said:
You won't be deciding though. Parliament will.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
If the whole strategy had failed and been seen to fail within Britain, that would be enough. We wouldn't forget the experience in a hurry and there would be no appetite to repeat it.welshowl said:
We are not going to be contrite enough.williamglenn said:
Not an extension but a revocation. It would be an easy decision for them if the UK were contrite enough.CarlottaVance said:Its either 'deal' or 'WTO Crash'......unless you think you can get 27 governments to agree to an extension.....
I have no desire to be Juncker's footstool. I'd rather fucking starve.0 -
Corbyn response.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/82440/live-theresa-mays-speech-brexit
Wanted her to make speech in Parliament.0 -
No, he arrived in Vietnam afterwards. Torturing Algerians was more his line.welshowl said:
Didn't Marine le Pen's old man fight there?John_M said:
You should call it Project Dien Bien Phu.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.0 -
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https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/821291243938390016Stark_Dawning said:The Tory Right are sniffing Trump now and their tails are up. They have long despised the effete, Europeanized Britain with its pampered ways and insufficient respect for the mighty and want us to muscle up. Trump's US will be their blueprint.
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Rudd on R5 says Parly vote will be on "deal or no deal" not "leave or stay".
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He really didn't, he would have looked thoroughly incompetent.dr_spyn said:Corbyn response.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/82440/live-theresa-mays-speech-brexit
Wanted her to make speech in Parliament.0 -
Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
Her definition of "internationalism" seems to be mass immigration, travel to the continent, and the Commonwealth.0 -
He he, many many years ago I was involved with formulating a mentholated green version of a very popular cough medicine. We code named the formulations WV1, WV2 etc. WV stood for wombat vomit. First time I've ever told that storyTheScreamingEagles said:
Heh.CarlottaVance said:
Old cove in charge of NPD in previous job named projects after Overlord beaches....until someone rumbled him.....TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.
When I was working on a major UK retailer's plan to build/open one of Europe's largest depots, I named it Project FMS.
A few months later I met the board and they asked what FMS stood for, I sheepishly and sotto voce said 'Fucking Massive Shed'
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This from the government that thought it could invoke A50 using the Royal prerogative.TGOHF said:Rudd on R5 says Parly vote will be on "deal or no deal" not "leave or stay".
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TM could hardly say in a speech that a great unraveling of the EU would be in our interests.Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
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Pienaar agreeing with her that Brexit is now certain and irreversable.williamglenn said:
This from the government that thought it could invoke A50 using the Royal prerogative.TGOHF said:Rudd on R5 says Parly vote will be on "deal or no deal" not "leave or stay".
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I'm a Tory at heart (not been a party supporter for some time), and I think whether or not the political institutions of the EU unravell is none of our business, but it is in our interests for the area to grow and prosper - that's obvious.Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
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So your answer is that you don't agree with it and you think Theresa May may not agree with it either?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
TM could hardly say in a speech that a great unraveling of the EU would be in our interests.Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
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Absolutely!Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
Why would we want economic or political uncertainty in our largest trading partner?0 -
FTSE slides as pound gains on May speech
The UK's benchmark share index loses ground as the pound surges following Theresa May's speech on Brexit.0 -
Of course. It's very UKIP to want the EU to fail. I'd go further; the EZ countries need to accelerate their political and fiscal integration. I would like to see a more loosely coupled EU (as May alluded to in her speech), but it's really up to EU electorates now.Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
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I'm not sure the rest of the EU would wear that unless Britain had properly changed its mind. They'd rather Britain not leave, but they won't want to be continually jerked about while Britain faffs around having constitutional crises. So I think it's a second referendum or bust. But would there be time for a second referendum before the bust?williamglenn said:
And if parliament says 'No' that would effectively be a vote of no confidence. A new PM goes straight to Brussels and calls it off.tpfkar said:The vote will be "do you approve regulations X"? so it won't itself specify what a No vote means.
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and risk Comrade Corbyn? I don't think so.logical_song said:0 -
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Well my old Mum's just e-mailed on Brexit (NEVER EVER does politics) - she thought speech was great.0
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Clearly he didn't actually bother to listen to the speech.Scott_P said:0 -
Do I take it that the previous promise of a vote on the triggering of A50 based on a negotiating strategy document (closely related to what has been laid out today) has not been broken, that the promise of a 'deal or no deal' vote after negotiation does not usurp it?0
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There will be no document. The speech was itPro_Rata said:Do I take it that the previous promise of a vote on the triggering of A50 based on a negotiating strategy document (closely related to what has been laid out today) has not been broken, that the promise of a 'deal or no deal' vote after negotiation does not usurp it?
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Crikey! Didn't know he'd been in Algeria.Theuniondivvie said:
No, he arrived in Vietnam afterwards. Torturing Algerians was more his line.welshowl said:
Didn't Marine le Pen's old man fight there?John_M said:
You should call it Project Dien Bien Phu.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah and Projects Waterloo and Mers-el-KébirSandpit said:
You managed to resist Operation Overlord?TheScreamingEagles said:FYI I named our move to Paris as 'Project Collaborators'
My other suggestions were Operation Dynamo or Operation Agincourt.
Still he's not my cup of tea anyway.
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It's a bit like moaning that network equipment made in the UK has to comply with the TCP/IP protocol. It's a terrible loss of sovereignty /facepalm.Richard_Tyndall said:
Clearly he didn't actually bother to listen to the speech.Scott_P said:0 -
Sounds like the votes will bePro_Rata said:Do I take it that the previous promise of a vote on the triggering of A50 based on a negotiating strategy document (closely related to what has been laid out today) has not been broken, that the promise of a 'deal or no deal' vote after negotiation does not usurp it?
"Can we trigger A50 Y/N"
"Should we leave with this deal or leave without a deal Y/N"0 -
Some of the less enlightened Twitterati, who were complaining about the pound tanking the other day, are now complaining that in the aftermath of the PM's speech "x billion is wiped off the value of British companies as the stock market crashes!"0
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So have we found out what Brexit means?0
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I have no idea if that is what you actually believe or a parody of what an idiot would believe.TGOHF said:
Similar to the way Henry VIII reunited the country after the reformation - the followers of the European based undemocratic deity can either flee to France/Flanders or be burnt alive and their property confiscated.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
If that's a "hard Brexit" then well "shrug"...0 -
But we should negotiate hard for an opt out to IPV6.John_M said:
It's a bit like moaning that network equipment made in the UK has to comply with the TCP/IP protocol. It's a terrible loss of sovereignty /facepalm.Richard_Tyndall said:
Clearly he didn't actually bother to listen to the speech.Scott_P said:
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That doesn't say why agree with May on this.John_M said:
Of course. It's very UKIP to want the EU to fail. I'd go further; the EZ countries need to accelerate their political and fiscal integration. I would like to see a more loosely coupled EU (as May alluded to in her speech), but it's really up to EU electorates now.Dromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
I doubt the EU could survive a loosening, but if that is considered to be in the British interest then that is what Cameron should have argued for.0 -
Tim Farron is everywhere on news channels at the moment. Where the hell is Corbyn? In his ivory tower with his cheeses?0
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You need to install the leg pulling font on your device.Recidivist said:
I have no idea if that is what you actually believe or a parody of what an idiot would believe.TGOHF said:
Similar to the way Henry VIII reunited the country after the reformation - the followers of the European based undemocratic deity can either flee to France/Flanders or be burnt alive and their property confiscated.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
If that's a "hard Brexit" then well "shrug"...
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@BBCPhilipSim: .@Ross_Greer says PM "confused, contradictory & dangerous". "Vague UKgov announcements" mean #indyref2 "looks unavoidable"0
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Brexit means a two-state solution in the Middle East, according to the Times tomorrow.Alistair said:So have we found out what Brexit means?
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Ah, so global Britain actually does still have a foreign policy...DecrepitJohnL said:
Brexit means a two-state solution in the Middle East, according to the Times tomorrow.Alistair said:So have we found out what Brexit means?
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David Davis making a good summary of the PM's speech in Parliament now.
Still think that, good though it was, the floor of the House was the right place for a policy announcement of such magnitude.0 -
I agree with the first partDromedary said:Do any Tories here agree with Theresa May that a "greater unravelling" of the EU would "not be in the best interests of Britain"?
Her definition of "internationalism" seems to be mass immigration, travel to the continent, and the Commonwealth.0 -
It will be a good kicking as wellwilliamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.0 -
Katie Hopkins Verified account @KTHopkins 2h2 hours ago
We voted for a better future for our children and our grandchildren. YES THERESA MAY. GO YOU GOOD WOMAN #brexit
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Sandpit said:
David Davies making a good summary of the PM's speech in Parliament now.
Still think that, good though it was, the floor of the House was the right place for a policy announcement of such magnitude.
Should have been 12 tweets...
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It is based on inflation and likely interest rate rises not her wish list.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:Pound up three cents on the dollar since this morning, one and a half against the Euro.
Just removing uncertainty helps.0 -
LOL, that kid would have said exactly the same, irrespective of was or wasn't in the PM's speech.Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: .@Ross_Greer says PM "confused, contradictory & dangerous". "Vague UKgov announcements" mean #indyref2 "looks unavoidable"
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Ahe clearly said we will be leaving the ECJ.Richard_Tyndall said:
Clearly he didn't actually bother to listen to the speech.Scott_P said:0 -
For the Lib Dems, Tim must be sensing the greatest comeback since Lazarus.Garza said:Tim Farron is everywhere on news channels at the moment. Where the hell is Corbyn? In his ivory tower with his cheeses?
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Great - bring it on - say "Yes2€".Scott_P said:@BBCPhilipSim: .@Ross_Greer says PM "confused, contradictory & dangerous". "Vague UKgov announcements" mean #indyref2 "looks unavoidable"
More bluster from the Nats.
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Wow, is this how things are done in 2017? What is the appropriate collective noun for a group of gently sobbing mid-ranking civil servants?Scott_P said:
There will be no document. The speech was itPro_Rata said:Do I take it that the previous promise of a vote on the triggering of A50 based on a negotiating strategy document (closely related to what has been laid out today) has not been broken, that the promise of a 'deal or no deal' vote after negotiation does not usurp it?
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@PaulBrandITV: EU source close to Brexit negotiations tells me Theresa May wants "cherry picking in reverse". Leave EU, then choose what to opt back in to.0
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With such negotiating sleight of hand, those naive Europeans are sure to give us what we want.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: EU source close to Brexit negotiations tells me Theresa May wants "cherry picking in reverse". Leave EU, then choose what to opt back in to.
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Crap! Mistyped it. *quickly edits before anyone else notices*justin124 said:
David Davis actually!Sandpit said:David Davies making a good summary of the PM's speech in Parliament now.
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Farron suggesting that May should have copied Cameron's winning strategy to success.Stark_Dawning said:
For the Lib Dems, Tim must be sensing the greatest comeback since Lazarus.Garza said:Tim Farron is everywhere on news channels at the moment. Where the hell is Corbyn? In his ivory tower with his cheeses?
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God I hate you Leavers
Apple has backed up last year's 20% hike in laptop and computer prices with a sharp rise in app costs.
The move will mean - for the first time - that there is price parity between the dollar and the pound as an App Store product that used to cost 79p in the UK will now be 99p. US customers pay 99 cents.
The price shift reflects the fall of up to 20% in the pound versus the dollar since the EU referendum and signals Apple was unwilling to effectively earn less, in value terms, from an app purchased in the UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-raises-app-store-prices-by-up-to-25-amid-weaker-sterling-107322080 -
No one's mentioned it, but OGH voted for the other guy. I can't imagine Lamb being as good as Farron has been (from a Remainer POV, that is).Stark_Dawning said:
For the Lib Dems, Tim must be sensing the greatest comeback since Lazarus.Garza said:Tim Farron is everywhere on news channels at the moment. Where the hell is Corbyn? In his ivory tower with his cheeses?
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I disagree. It may not be beyond the pale but by its very nature a lack of patriotism is implicit in such a position. I would go further and say it also shows a dislike of democracy.John_M said:
That's a tad unfair. Wanting a fully federal USE is hardly beyond the political pale, and doesn't imply a lack of patriotism.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is clearly a desire by William whose loathing for this country and fanatical blind support for the EU are constantly apparentShropshireLadd said:
Is this an opinion or a desire? Why exactly do you want it to fail so much?williamglenn said:
The subtext is, "It won't undermine your integrity to let us walk away with a cherry-picked deal because we're special, unlike that great mass of countries on the continent that don't have our tradition of democratic accountability and global outlook."Casino_Royale said:
The line seems to be: we can do a political and economic win-win here. We support the EU in its endeavours, and in regional security, foreign policy, and trade freely with you.rkrkrk said:
I didn't watch - but sounds as though it was a good speech.Casino_Royale said:Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.
I expected nothing less.
Personally I was pleased to see she said she didn't want the EU to fail.... constructive approach... let's be good friends and neighbours... this is surely the right approach to start with in public. I was also pleased she didn't make a daft commitment like... none of our money will ever go the EU again.
On the details - a flexible transitional period sounds complicated and fiddly. Time will tell.
Or, if you seek to make an example of us, we will walk away and do our own thing.
They need to make an example of us, and we will be made an example of.0 -
Get your kilts orderedTheScreamingEagles said:
Dublin and Frankfurt are too small.rkrkrk said:
What are the other options? Dublin? Frankfurt?TheScreamingEagles said:
Some PB leavers were saying I was overreacting with our Paris plans.David_Evershed said:
Passporting not needed for most wholesale banking out of London and retail banking can be carried out in the rest of the EU using subsidiaries.TheScreamingEagles said:
BuggerScott_P said:@jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go
I was right you were wrong.
I'm spending next week in Paris getting wooed by the French, should be fun.
I think you should certainly make the case for factfinding in La Reunion - which is part of the EU and the Eurozone I believe.
The most elegant solution would be for Scotland to secede/remain in the EU, so we'd set up there.
Madrid or Barcelona are still possibilities.0 -
From my school and Uni experiences, trust me I don't look good in skirts.malcolmg said:
Get your kilts orderedTheScreamingEagles said:
Dublin and Frankfurt are too small.rkrkrk said:
What are the other options? Dublin? Frankfurt?TheScreamingEagles said:
Some PB leavers were saying I was overreacting with our Paris plans.David_Evershed said:
Passporting not needed for most wholesale banking out of London and retail banking can be carried out in the rest of the EU using subsidiaries.TheScreamingEagles said:
BuggerScott_P said:@jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go
I was right you were wrong.
I'm spending next week in Paris getting wooed by the French, should be fun.
I think you should certainly make the case for factfinding in La Reunion - which is part of the EU and the Eurozone I believe.
The most elegant solution would be for Scotland to secede/remain in the EU, so we'd set up there.
Madrid or Barcelona are still possibilities.0 -
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@tnewtondunn: Key point about Parliament's vote on Brexit deal - PM refused to say it will be binding. So if she loses it, expect a 2019 general election.0
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Surely, he would be HQ'ing in the lowlands? No kilts required. Or do you just have a thing for, quite literally, Tartan Tories?malcolmg said:
Get your kilts orderedTheScreamingEagles said:
Dublin and Frankfurt are too small.rkrkrk said:
What are the other options? Dublin? Frankfurt?TheScreamingEagles said:
Some PB leavers were saying I was overreacting with our Paris plans.David_Evershed said:
Passporting not needed for most wholesale banking out of London and retail banking can be carried out in the rest of the EU using subsidiaries.TheScreamingEagles said:
BuggerScott_P said:@jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go
I was right you were wrong.
I'm spending next week in Paris getting wooed by the French, should be fun.
I think you should certainly make the case for factfinding in La Reunion - which is part of the EU and the Eurozone I believe.
The most elegant solution would be for Scotland to secede/remain in the EU, so we'd set up there.
Madrid or Barcelona are still possibilities.0 -
Boo hoo.TheScreamingEagles said:God I hate you Leavers
Apple has backed up last year's 20% hike in laptop and computer prices with a sharp rise in app costs.
The move will mean - for the first time - that there is price parity between the dollar and the pound as an App Store product that used to cost 79p in the UK will now be 99p. US customers pay 99 cents.
The price shift reflects the fall of up to 20% in the pound versus the dollar since the EU referendum and signals Apple was unwilling to effectively earn less, in value terms, from an app purchased in the UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-raises-app-store-prices-by-up-to-25-amid-weaker-sterling-107322080 -
Just be careful where you put your sgian-dubh.TheScreamingEagles said:From my school and Uni experiences, trust me I don't look good in skirts.
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Your fault for buying Apple.TheScreamingEagles said:God I hate you Leavers
Apple has backed up last year's 20% hike in laptop and computer prices with a sharp rise in app costs.
The move will mean - for the first time - that there is price parity between the dollar and the pound as an App Store product that used to cost 79p in the UK will now be 99p. US customers pay 99 cents.
The price shift reflects the fall of up to 20% in the pound versus the dollar since the EU referendum and signals Apple was unwilling to effectively earn less, in value terms, from an app purchased in the UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-raises-app-store-prices-by-up-to-25-amid-weaker-sterling-10732208
This may be of interest:
http://www.osnews.com/story/29607/US_appeals_court_revives_antitrust_lawsuit_against_Apple0 -
Was out for the speech, but from seeing the summary it seems a bit of a curate's egg. But at least we now have a direction.0
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What has Apple fleecing you got to do with Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:God I hate you Leavers
Apple has backed up last year's 20% hike in laptop and computer prices with a sharp rise in app costs.
The move will mean - for the first time - that there is price parity between the dollar and the pound as an App Store product that used to cost 79p in the UK will now be 99p. US customers pay 99 cents.
The price shift reflects the fall of up to 20% in the pound versus the dollar since the EU referendum and signals Apple was unwilling to effectively earn less, in value terms, from an app purchased in the UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-raises-app-store-prices-by-up-to-25-amid-weaker-sterling-107322080 -
What's an app?TheScreamingEagles said:God I hate you Leavers
Apple has backed up last year's 20% hike in laptop and computer prices with a sharp rise in app costs.
The move will mean - for the first time - that there is price parity between the dollar and the pound as an App Store product that used to cost 79p in the UK will now be 99p. US customers pay 99 cents.
The price shift reflects the fall of up to 20% in the pound versus the dollar since the EU referendum and signals Apple was unwilling to effectively earn less, in value terms, from an app purchased in the UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/apple-raises-app-store-prices-by-up-to-25-amid-weaker-sterling-107322080
