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  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    We are listening to a serious politician who has taken time to decide but has now absolutely nailed her subject.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    Yeah that's my view. What does May have to do? She might not have spelt out exactly where we end up, but she has been absolutely clear about where we won't be; in the EU in any way, with an end to FoM, and as a consequence almost certainly outside of the single market.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Seems May's team couldn't get hold of a supply of Sanderson's Throat Specific Mixture.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    I'm not watching (Can't) but from the runes on here it sounds like a final deal will be put to parliament (After the two years), since we can't get to a final deal without negotiations.

    If the deal is refused then we go onto WTO terms. So in effect there is no choice about Art 50, Brexit is definitely happening...Or am I misreading this.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Mortimer said:

    Looks to me like we'll have a customs union with the EU, but not be in the EU customs union.

    That's an important distinction.

    Of course, it takes two (or in this case 28) to tango, and there's absolutely no guarantee that what she wants will be on offer.
    You would think it is in both parties interests and a very sensible thing to do such a deal, but this is the EU we are talking about.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @janemerrick23: UK will not be "half-in, half-out" of EU, says Theresa May as she proposes half-in half-out deal on customs union
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    CarlottaVance said:

    And if Parliament votes down the deal don't we simply crash out with no deal?

    That's very likely to be what would happen. It's not a choice of take the deal or go back in, it's take the deal or crash out.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    rottenborough said:

    Seems May's team couldn't get hold of a supply of Sanderson's Throat Specific Mixture.

    Half my office (Incl myself) has had a rotten cough since the start of the year. I believe Big G also is afflicted. May has my sympathies if she's sounding a little hoarse.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    None of these are objectives...they are aspirations. She, wouldn't pass an OFSTED.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pulpstar said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    I'm not watching (Can't) but from the runes on here it sounds like a final deal will be put to parliament (After the two years), since we can't get to a final deal without negotiations.

    If the deal is refused then we go onto WTO terms. So in effect there is no choice about Art 50, Brexit is definitely happening...Or am I misreading this.
    You are reading this correctly.

    The financial markets aren't.
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    We are listening to a serious politician who has taken time to decide but has now absolutely nailed her subject.

    You mean they have focus-grouped various shades of Brexit, and realised that this was the only version that the Leave-voting public would find acceptable?
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    edited January 2017
    Loose lips sink Brexits!
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Clearly May's team have taken the time to fully digest and work this out. No more 'no plan', and not providing a running commenty.

    Exactly the right way of doing it.
  • frpenkridge
    frpenkridge Posts: 670
    No daily updates.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    Pulpstar said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    I'm not watching (Can't) but from the runes on here it sounds like a final deal will be put to parliament (After the two years), since we can't get to a final deal without negotiations.

    If the deal is refused then we go onto WTO terms. So in effect there is no choice about Art 50, Brexit is definitely happening...Or am I misreading this.
    It'll be Theresa's deal or no deal.

    Parliament won't vote it down.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Pulpstar said:

    rottenborough said:

    Seems May's team couldn't get hold of a supply of Sanderson's Throat Specific Mixture.

    Half my office (Incl myself) has had a rotten cough since the start of the year. I believe Big G also is afflicted. May has my sympathies if she's sounding a little hoarse.
    I was being semi-serious. The Sanderson's is used by actors who have a bad throat to get them through a performance. Seems there has been a shortage of supply due to an ingredient being unavailable.
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    CarlottaVance said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    And if Parliament votes down the deal don't we simply crash out with no deal?
    That is the real question of course.

    I doubt she's going to put the vote as (one assumes) Farron wants which would be "OK" or "call it all off and stay a full member as if June 23rd didn't happen" (why would the EU even allow it after all this one asks - and I wouldn't blame them - why lumber yourself with a hefty surly lodger for all time?)

    The vote is surely more likely "this deal" or "no deal/WTO".

  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Good point on maintaining discipline through the negotiation and not feeding daily news cycle.
  • William_H
    William_H Posts: 346
    Interesting mix of grovelling, bullshit and arrogance.

    Basically a full hard brexit, but with the undertone that she knows its stupid and is hoping the EU will bail us out
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Pulpstar said:

    rottenborough said:

    Seems May's team couldn't get hold of a supply of Sanderson's Throat Specific Mixture.

    Half my office (Incl myself) has had a rotten cough since the start of the year. I believe Big G also is afflicted. May has my sympathies if she's sounding a little hoarse.
    Big G and Mrs Big G our son and daughter have suffered for three weeks - she seems to be coping reasonably well
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    frpenkridge said:

    Terrorist threat: future practical co-op with EU.

    Also implied threat......
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Nabavi, the financial markets can often be quite blinkered and daft (as on the day of the vote).

    Mildly amused that after a spike of 0.1% rise in inflation, the 0.4% rise in it got precious little mention on Sky.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Why do we need to wait to March now? Supreme Court announce result next week and then straight to Parliament to trigger A50.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    When we wonder if Corbyn's Labour Party has any chance of winning....compare May's speech today vs Corbyn last week.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Harry Cole
    Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    When we wonder if Corbyn's Labour Party has any chance of winning....compare May's speech today vs Corbyn last week.

    ".... nor do we rule it out"
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    May sending out a very clear message her. Work with us, or don't work with us.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,269
    welshowl said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.

    i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.

    And if Parliament votes down the deal don't we simply crash out with no deal?
    That is the real question of course.

    I doubt she's going to put the vote as (one assumes) Farron wants which would be "OK" or "call it all off and stay a full member as if June 23rd didn't happen" (why would the EU even allow it after all this one asks - and I wouldn't blame them - why lumber yourself with a hefty surly lodger for all time?)

    The vote is surely more likely "this deal" or "no deal/WTO".

    That’s two years plus (not a big plus) down the track though.
  • frpenkridge
    frpenkridge Posts: 670
    Playing the intelligence and army card again. If EU play "punitive" card....following on straight after.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    "No deal is better than a bad deal."

    No deal it is then.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    When we wonder if Corbyn's Labour Party has any chance of winning....compare May's speech today vs Corbyn last week.

    LOL :D
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Miss Plato, 12 is also a Biblical number, representing everybody (hence 12 tribes of Jews, 12 months in a year, 12 disciples etc).
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Scott_P said:

    @jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go

    Bugger
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    William_H said:

    Interesting mix of grovelling, bullshit and arrogance.

    Basically a full hard brexit, but with the undertone that she knows its stupid and is hoping the EU will bail us out

    Heavy praise of the single market. Which raises the question how does it help it for one of its biggest members to leave?
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Wow - she just fired a sidewinder into Junckers and others wish to harm us
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    After the carrot......now a bit of stick......
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    dixiedean said:

    12objectives seems a lot.Fewer than 6 is recommended in preparing a strategy.

    I suggest only one objective in a strategy but five or six main actions to achieve the objective.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    I'm increasingly convinced that someone from No. 10 reads the comments here.

    No deal better than a bad deal is straight out of the PB Leaver playbook.....
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Mrs May is doing her best Mrs T impression here. Lady isn't for turning, and don't dare try the we will punish em stuff, because we won't just assume the position.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuardianHeather: May says EU leaders won't want to damage their economies just to punish Britain. Try telling that to the Greeks.

    @IanDunt: She hasn't understood that Europe is likely to call her bluff and indeed must do to protect EU.
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017
    This speech is meant to be comical, right?

    ● "Global Britain".

    Imagine if a politician in Italy talked about a Global Italy. They'd be a laughing-stock.

    ● Brexit is "not always well understood by our friends in Europe".

    Dig that patronising use of litotes! Ditto with the phrase "our friends". She's saying foreigners are simple-minded. And let's imagine the foreign johnnies don't notice. I mean they wouldn't. They're simple. At the Athenaeum and even the Carlton, they'll probably think May has got real class, real subtlety.

    Britain has shat in its own porridge, is the truth of it. Its prime minister is now doing an Anthony Eden impersonation.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Mortimer said:

    I'm increasingly convinced that someone from No. 10 reads the comments here.

    No deal better than a bad deal is straight out of the PB Leaver playbook.....

    Hi Dave....waves....hows you Candy Crush game coming along?
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Businesses will begin activating their 'what if UK is out of single market' strategy plans tomorrow morning.

    Now it begins.

    Are remainers like me right that this will be an economic disaster or will Leavers be right?
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    CarlottaVance said:

    After the carrot......now a bit of stick......

    Bit of teeth showing. Cameron take note.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    @jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go

    Bugger
    Passporting not needed for most wholesale banking out of London and retail banking can be carried out in the rest of the EU using subsidiaries.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianHeather: May says EU leaders won't want to damage their economies just to punish Britain. Try telling that to the Greeks.

    @IanDunt: She hasn't understood that Europe is likely to call her bluff and indeed must do to protect EU.

    and the Greeks should never have put up with it.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Dromedary said:


    ● "Global Britain".
    Imagine if a politician in Italy talked about a Global Italy. They'd be a laughing-stock.

    Isn't that the purpose of err Trident ?
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    rottenborough said:

    Businesses will begin activating their 'what if UK is out of single market' strategy plans tomorrow morning.

    Now it begins.

    Are remainers like me right that this will be an economic disaster or will Leavers be right?

    Tune in next decade for the answer.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    This was a huge speech from the PM, and she's completely nailed it. Positive and optimistic for Britain's future in Europe and in the world.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Seems even Mrs May's speechwriters are getting sick of pb commenters who won't respect the result

    :)
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    It is no longer a question of whether or not we are fucked, it's just how fucked we are.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    What I'd like to know more about it whether some kind of partial customs union is practical. Presumably it would mean that, as regards automotive parts and cars, we would be in a customs union with the EU (but not the EU customs union). So presumably it follows from that that we we would have to adopt EU rules and external tariffs on automotive parts and cars, i.e. these goods would be excluded from any trade agreements we signed with non-EU countries.

    That's fine as far as it goes, but there are bound to be ambiguous cases - for example, a motor or actuator which can be used in a car but also has other applications. I wonder how well it would work?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Here comes the questions...don't think they will be as fun as Trump last week....
  • rkrkrk
    rkrkrk Posts: 8,746
    Did the big bet between WillianGlenn and SeanT go ahead?

    My sense is
    1) phased transitional deal may complicate determining who has won
    2) acceptance we won't be in single market may speed up process of leaving
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    Slackbladder said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianHeather: May says EU leaders won't want to damage their economies just to punish Britain. Try telling that to the Greeks.

    @IanDunt: She hasn't understood that Europe is likely to call her bluff and indeed must do to protect EU.

    and the Greeks should never have put up with it.
    Wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of sneaky admiration in Athens.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    What I'd like to know more about it whether some kind of partial customs union is practical. Presumably it would mean that, as regards automotive parts and cars, we would be in a customs union with the EU (but not the EU customs union). So presumably it follows from that that we we would have to adopt EU rules and external tariffs on automotive parts and cars, i.e. these goods would be excluded from any trade agreements we signed with non-EU countries.

    That's fine as far as it goes, but there are bound to be ambiguous cases - for example, a motor or actuator which can be used in a car but also has other applications. I wonder how well it would work?

    And the certifying body for those parts will be the EU, and the ECJ...
  • tpfkar
    tpfkar Posts: 1,578
    Well lots of clarity, that's welcome. I'm a little more reassured on the competence and direction. But it left me cold, and when she talks about having 65 million people behind her, she can sod off on that one.

    I thought the most significant thing was the comments on the customs union. For all her bluster businesses will be leaving in droves if she can't secure suitable import/export arrangements - I imagine this will be a very sensitive area in negotiations.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    David_Evershed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    @jreynoldsMP: Treasury questions in Parliament. Chancellor effectively confirms U.K. out of single market and passporting will go

    Bugger
    Passporting not needed for most wholesale banking out of London and retail banking can be carried out in the rest of the EU using subsidiaries.
    Some PB leavers were saying I was overreacting with our Paris plans.

    I was right you were wrong.

    I'm spending next week in Paris getting wooed by the French, should be fun.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: May claims it's not her job to fill column inches before actively seeking out le figaro for a question.
  • rkrkrk
    rkrkrk Posts: 8,746
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    What I'd like to know more about it whether some kind of partial customs union is practical. Presumably it would mean that, as regards automotive parts and cars, we would be in a customs union with the EU (but not the EU customs union). So presumably it follows from that that we we would have to adopt EU rules and external tariffs on automotive parts and cars, i.e. these goods would be excluded from any trade agreements we signed with non-EU countries.

    That's fine as far as it goes, but there are bound to be ambiguous cases - for example, a motor or actuator which can be used in a car but also has other applications. I wonder how well it would work?

    Yes. And will those ambiguous cases be determined in the ECJ?
    And... presumably we will have to accept any changes to those EU rules and external tariffs without having any say?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuardianHeather: .@bbclaurak asks if PM's changed mind since saying in campaign leaving single market would make us poorer. Cue waffle about "global Britain"
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    PlatoSaid said:

    Harry Cole
    Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."



    A duo decimal Brexit.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Talk about from left field...guy asks about two state solution for Israel / Palestine.
  • ShropshireLadd
    ShropshireLadd Posts: 27
    Seems to me that the negative responses to this speech show just how good it actually was. The vitriol expressed reflects that it wont be the Uk that is fucked but them
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    May fudged the answer on what would happen if parliament rejected the deal.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Anyone heard from Nissan?
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    BBC questioners keeping up the negativity.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    rkrkrk said:

    Did the big bet between WillianGlenn and SeanT go ahead?

    My sense is
    1) phased transitional deal may complicate determining who has won
    2) acceptance we won't be in single market may speed up process of leaving

    Yes, we were hoping to get edmundintokyo to adjudicate.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    2015 manifesto we say yes to the single market. 2017 out of single market. EU is undemocratic?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KayBurley: PM continuing to dodge question on whether she thinks Britons will be worse off after #brexit. Second time of asking. So far...
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Talk about from left field...guy asks about two state solution for Israel / Palestine.

    EU and Palestine want a two state deal.

    UK, USA and Israel don't.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iankatz1000: May twice declines invitation to say she has changed her mind on whether Brexit will be good for UK - says only econ data better than feared
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @maxrushden: Come on Theresa, refuse to answer a question from a reputable news outlet and scream FAKE NEWS at them. It'll give presser a real 2017 feel
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Did I miss it, or was there no mention of CAP?
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Wow - she just fired a sidewinder into Junckers and others wish to harm us

    I'm really rather impressed after that.
  • frpenkridge
    frpenkridge Posts: 670
    Bill Cash: TM has done very well. We will walk away from bad deal. Enormous determination and resolve.
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Talk about from left field...guy asks about two state solution for Israel / Palestine.

    Good to know that someone is aware of the international context and hasn't got his head stuck in the sand.

    The far-right anti-EU parties in several EU countries are backed not just by the Kremlin but by Israel too.
  • malcolmg
    malcolmg Posts: 44,523
    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    frpenkridge said:

    Preserve the Union.

    Horse has bolted on that one
    The horse refused at the first and second fence you mean..
    Getting a bit confused there, mixing your metaphors
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    PlatoSaid said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Wow - she just fired a sidewinder into Junckers and others wish to harm us

    I'm really rather impressed after that.
    Going to rejoin Plato
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    rottenborough said:

    Did I miss it, or was there no mention of CAP?

    There was a reflection back on the fact that Govt has said it would support farmers post exit, IIRC.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    Predictable negativity and spinning by the regular Pb Remainers on the speech. Which would have happened no matter what she'd said.

    I expected nothing less.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @davieclegg: Suzanne Evans welcomes speech and says it felt like Theresa May was "channelling UKIP".
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    rottenborough said:

    Did I miss it, or was there no mention of CAP?

    Guess it's implicit in leaving the single market. Cannot see anyway we are staying in that set up after four decades of complaining about straight bananas etc
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelLCrick: So "no running commentary" has been killed off (by public derision?), but is replaced by "no daily updates"
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    CarlottaVance said:

    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979

    Because the most concrete news is that parliament will be able to vote down the exit deal - effectively giving us a route out of Brexit.
  • frpenkridge
    frpenkridge Posts: 670
    TM has got a good speech writer.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    @Law_and_Policy: Have been critical of May on Brexit, but that speech was as detailed as it reasonably could be at this stage.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,684
    The UK is the second biggest contributor to the EU budget (as is) and has somewhere between a fifth and a quarter of its economy, over a quarter of its military capability, is the de facto centre of its financial services and London is its creative capital.

    Yes, the UK is outnumbered, but it's not true to say that it walking away from the table wouldn't be a huge deal for the EU.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Wow - she just fired a sidewinder into Junckers and others wish to harm us

    I'm really rather impressed after that.
    Going to rejoin Plato
    I'm not that convinced - she's still got unattractive baggage in other areas. I'm now neutral - rather than a trifle hostile
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    williamglenn said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979

    Because the most concrete news is that parliament will be able to vote down the exit deal - effectively giving us a route out of Brexit.
    How would voting down the deal give us a route out of Brexit?
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    welshowl said:

    rottenborough said:

    Did I miss it, or was there no mention of CAP?

    Guess it's implicit in leaving the single market. Cannot see anyway we are staying in that set up after four decades of complaining about straight bananas etc
    CAP isn't single market iirc. But you are probably right that she meant it to be implicit.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    williamglenn said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979

    Because the most concrete news is that parliament will be able to vote down the exit deal - effectively giving us a route out of Brexit.
    Er....no.

    Its either 'deal' or 'WTO Crash'......unless you think you can get 27 governments to agree to an extension.....
  • Dromedary
    Dromedary Posts: 1,194
    Pulpstar said:

    Dromedary said:


    ● "Global Britain".
    Imagine if a politician in Italy talked about a Global Italy. They'd be a laughing-stock.

    Isn't that the purpose of err Trident ?
    No. Trident is assigned to NATO.
  • Blue_rog
    Blue_rog Posts: 2,019
    williamglenn said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979

    Because the most concrete news is that parliament will be able to vote down the exit deal - effectively giving us a route out of Brexit.
    Vote down the negotiated deal and we leave on WTO rules. WE'RE LEAVING
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    frpenkridge said:

    TM has got a good speech writer.

    Sounds like Nick Timothy has been on point.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    That was a rather good speech by TMay, certainly hit all the right notes for me at least.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited January 2017
    Here comes ScottP Faisal Islam on Sky.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Carolus_Rex said:

    williamglenn said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    @RogerBlitz: TMay ends with £ at $1.2250, a 0.7pc rise since start of speech, and 2.2pc increase since Monday's 31-year low of $1.1979

    Because the most concrete news is that parliament will be able to vote down the exit deal - effectively giving us a route out of Brexit.
    How would voting down the deal give us a route out of Brexit?
    If the will of the country changed to remain rather than face a car crash, the EU would be happy for us to stay. It's the integrity of the treaties that they need to protect.
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