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First like Mrs May0
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Well FWIW I expect the LD's to be proved right on this issue.0
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I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.0
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On what?Ally_B said:Well FWIW I expect the LD's to be proved right on this issue.
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I agree that is the challenge. I am also interested.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
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You might just as well try to reunite a chicken with its head.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
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12objectives seems a lot.Fewer than 6 is recommended in preparing a strategy.0
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She should have started that 4 months ago. Her Tory party speech was disastrous in that regard. Her 'citizens of nowhere' phrasing shows how she really thinks.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
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Similar to the way Henry VIII reunited the country after the reformation - the followers of the European based undemocratic deity can either flee to France/Flanders or be burnt alive and their property confiscated.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
If that's a "hard Brexit" then well "shrug"...
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3.......dixiedean said:12objectives seems a lot.Fewer than 6 is recommended in preparing a strategy.
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Although, from a legal perspective, she's correct: you can't be stateless.JonathanD said:
She should have started that 4 months ago. Her Tory party speech was disastrous in that regard. Her 'citizens of nowhere' phrasing shows how she really thinks.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
And, if you are a citizen of a state enjoying its freedoms and protections, you also have duties and obligations to it, even if you may hold dual (or even tri) citizenship, and can't 9or shouldn't) absent yourself from them.
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Agreed, her talk of 'bringing the country together' will be about as meaningful as this from Thatcher:TGOHF said:
Similar to the way Henry VIII reunited the country after the reformation - the followers of the European based undemocratic deity can either flee to France/Flanders or be burnt alive and their property confiscated.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
If that's a "hard Brexit" then well "shrug"...
‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony."0 -
Gives her a chance to say we achieved full success on 7, partial on 3, but traded away on two.dixiedean said:12objectives seems a lot.Fewer than 6 is recommended in preparing a strategy.
Better than having three 'general' objectives, and being all wishy-washy about whether or not the outcome matches the rhetoric on all of them.
The way the objectives have been crafted are - like everything else - part of the politics of the negotiation strategy.0 -
And a second glorious revolution and age of enlightenment will follow as we emerge from the dark shadow of backward continental diktat....logical_song said:
Agreed, her talk of 'bringing the country together' will be about as meaningful as this from Thatcher:TGOHF said:
Similar to the way Henry VIII reunited the country after the reformation - the followers of the European based undemocratic deity can either flee to France/Flanders or be burnt alive and their property confiscated.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
If that's a "hard Brexit" then well "shrug"...
‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony."0 -
Theresa May's wearing the tartan suit she wore to launch her leadership bid.0
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Same tartan suit she was wearing when she announced her leadership bid.0
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Watching online?williamglenn said:Theresa May's wearing the tartan suit she wore to launch her leadership bid.
Edit: Live stream on Grauniad:
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THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBS IN OUR VILLAGE.glw said:
Exactly.Slackbladder said:You also have to remember in the 80s this was pre- fall of the berlin wall. The EU didn't have all the eastern european countries in it, and no one would have though it would at the time, including Thatcher.
If the EU still consisted of pretty much only Western European countries, then the view of it might be rather different.
If you have a favourite old pub that is taken over by a brewer and modernised (crap food and Sky blaring out round the clock) then you stop going. Only a bloody fool doesn't change their mind when circumstances change.
We've stormed out at the end of a bad night - pissed - and announced to the bouncer that we're going to open our own, better, pub and actually we don't want to drink ever again (although can we finish our pint first please?) and our new pub will be so much better and just like the good old days and pints will cost 90p and it'll have a jukebox and everything.
And the bouncer nods his head.0 -
Totally agree. The political low of many in 2016 for me, well ahead of Trump and Brexit. My wife is German and she was in tears at that. I was just angry, who does she think she is to decide our identity, not everyone is interested in her petty nationalism.JonathanD said:
She should have started that 4 months ago. Her Tory party speech was disastrous in that regard. Her 'citizens of nowhere' phrasing shows how she really thinks.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
We have seriously discussed leaving the country, although we've so many commitments at the moment (not least that she's pregnant!) the time isn't right. But our Flanders option would be the rolling fields of Bavaria. We could do a lot worse.0 -
Can you see the new Syrian asylum centre from there ?tpfkar said:
. But our Flanders option would be the rolling fields of Bavaria. We could do a lot worse.JonathanD said:
She should have started that 4 months ago. Her Tory party speech was disastrous in that regard. Her 'citizens of nowhere' phrasing shows how she really thinks.tpfkar said:I'm looking for how she plans to unite the country - the pre-trailed stuff talks about the need to bring the country together and stop talking in terms of Leavers and Remainers. Fair enough - but I want to see how she will achieve this, there's very little in the pre-publicised extracts to satisfy anything other than the committed leavers.
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Embrace the world.0
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Ironically EU was expanded eastwards in order to cement their post-communist democracies. Now seems we are rather lukewarm on combating Putin's moves to undo that work.Pong said:FPT
THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBS IN OUR VILLAGE.glw said:
Exactly.Slackbladder said:You also have to remember in the 80s this was pre- fall of the berlin wall. The EU didn't have all the eastern european countries in it, and no one would have though it would at the time, including Thatcher.
If the EU still consisted of pretty much only Western European countries, then the view of it might be rather different.
If you have a favourite old pub that is taken over by a brewer and modernised (crap food and Sky blaring out round the clock) then you stop going. Only a bloody fool doesn't change their mind when circumstances change.
We've stormed out at the end of a bad night - pissed - and announced to the bouncer that we're going to open our own, better, pub and actually we don't want to drink ever again (although can we finish our pint first please?) and our new pub will be so much better and just like the good old days and pints will cost 90p and it'll have a jukebox and everything.
And the bouncer nods his head.0 -
And then you do and the old pub goes out of businessPong said:FPT
THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBS IN OUR VILLAGE.glw said:
Exactly.Slackbladder said:You also have to remember in the 80s this was pre- fall of the berlin wall. The EU didn't have all the eastern european countries in it, and no one would have though it would at the time, including Thatcher.
If the EU still consisted of pretty much only Western European countries, then the view of it might be rather different.
If you have a favourite old pub that is taken over by a brewer and modernised (crap food and Sky blaring out round the clock) then you stop going. Only a bloody fool doesn't change their mind when circumstances change.
We've stormed out at the end of a bad night - pissed - and announced to the bouncer that we're going to open our own, better, pub and actually we don't want to drink ever again (although can we finish our pint first please?) and our new pub will be so much better and just like the good old days and pints will cost 90p and it'll have a jukebox and everything.
And the bouncer nods his head.0 -
Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h14 hours ago
Serbia wants to annex part of Kosovo using 'Crimea model': president http://reut.rs/2jpCdeG0 -
May on now. BBC News live.0
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Reform of schools.0
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Any cliches, tautologies or otherwise meaningless phrases yet ?rottenborough said:May on now. BBC News live.
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Preserve the Union.0
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Government tartan of The Black Watch?williamglenn said:Theresa May's wearing the tartan suit she wore to launch her leadership bid.
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Racially diverse, relationships with globe.0
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A truly global Britain.0
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EU must succeed.0
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Sounding more like Dan Hannan than Nigel Farage so far...0
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Governments must be directly held to account.0
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Cameron's valiant final attempt at reform.0
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Eu's vice-like grip.0
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Leaving EU but not Europe.0
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More likely they both go out of business, new pub with the heaviest losses.Blue_rog said:
And then you do and the old pub goes out of businessPong said:FPT
THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBS IN OUR VILLAGE.glw said:
Exactly.Slackbladder said:You also have to remember in the 80s this was pre- fall of the berlin wall. The EU didn't have all the eastern european countries in it, and no one would have though it would at the time, including Thatcher.
If the EU still consisted of pretty much only Western European countries, then the view of it might be rather different.
If you have a favourite old pub that is taken over by a brewer and modernised (crap food and Sky blaring out round the clock) then you stop going. Only a bloody fool doesn't change their mind when circumstances change.
We've stormed out at the end of a bad night - pissed - and announced to the bouncer that we're going to open our own, better, pub and actually we don't want to drink ever again (although can we finish our pint first please?) and our new pub will be so much better and just like the good old days and pints will cost 90p and it'll have a jukebox and everything.
And the bouncer nods his head.0 -
One big goal.A new positive partnership with Europe.0
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Horse has bolted on that onefrpenkridge said:Preserve the Union.
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@WikiGuido: Philip Hammond has just told the Commons we will not be in the single market0
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So much for the sterling bears.
'Pound surges'0 -
"We do not seek to hold on to bits of membership as we leave. No - the United Kingdom is leaving"0
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The horse refused at the first and second fence you mean..malcolmg said:
Horse has bolted on that onefrpenkridge said:Preserve the Union.
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@rosschawkins: Final EU deal to be put to vote in both houses - May0
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Control of own laws.0
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At the moment, May gets support of around 65-70% of UK voters with this speech.
Cor, if we did have to have an election there would be a stonking majority for the Tories after this.....0 -
Pound up a cent against the dollar in the last 20 minutes.0
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May throwing a devolution sweetner there?0
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Special relationship with Ireland to be maintained.0
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Very confident, concillatory and yes inspiring - She is nailing this0
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Suggesting some devolution of powers returned from Brussles.0
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Attract the brightest and best from Europe. But controlled.0
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Scotland to negotiate its own trade deals?Sandpit said:Suggesting some devolution of powers returned from Brussles.
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The echoes from President Wilson's 'self determination' model, still reverberate in the Balkans.nunu said:Reuters Top News @Reuters 14h14 hours ago
Serbia wants to annex part of Kosovo using 'Crimea model': president http://reut.rs/2jpCdeG
Highly dangerous. And Trump won't be doing much and indeed will probably send out a tweet which makes things worse.0 -
Brexit must mean control of immigration from Europe.0
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"controlled immigration from EU"
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Workers' rights to be protected.0
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Pound rising strongly0
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A truly global Britain. Free Trade.0
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"What I'm proposing cannot mean membership of the single market."0
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No membership of single market.0
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Membership of single market ended0
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Dig at Merkel?
Many EU leaders want to agree quickly deal guaranteeing rights of EU citizens in UK and UK Citizens in the EU - some do not.0 -
Seek greatest access to single market possible.0
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Comprehensive free trade agreement with EU.0
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End of vast contributions to EU.0
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What if the EU abandons Free Movement before March 2019?0
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Doubtful.rottenborough said:What if the EU abandons Free Movement before March 2019?
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May is nailing this.0
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Liam Fox!0
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Somebody at Sky is reading PB....0
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"days of Britain making vast contributions to EU every year are over..."
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The UK does need to go on the attack in the EU as to the downsides of the EU in a way that the other countries can sympathise with.CarlottaVance said:Dig at Merkel?
Many EU leaders want to agree quickly deal guaranteeing rights of EU citizens in UK and UK Citizens in the EU - some do not.0 -
She choked on that.frpenkridge said:Liam Fox!
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Interesting reading views of the speech here (not watching). I look forward to the devolution of powers to England.0
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Customs union fudge...0
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Red Brexit?0
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Somebody at Sky is reading PB....
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Reddy Brexit.SandyRentool said:Red Brexit?
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Customs Union: an agreement with EU. Associate member? To be negotiated.0
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The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.
i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.0 -
Dunno. If the French vote in LePen.Pulpstar said:
Doubtful.rottenborough said:What if the EU abandons Free Movement before March 2019?
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I'm not watching but essentially we're going for a Turkish relationship with the EU ?frpenkridge said:Customs Union: an agreement with EU. Associate member? To be negotiated.
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Looks to me like we'll have a customs union with the EU, but not be in the EU customs union.0
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They won't though :>rottenborough said:
Dunno. If the French vote in LePen.Pulpstar said:
Doubtful.rottenborough said:What if the EU abandons Free Movement before March 2019?
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Terrorist threat: future practical co-op with EU.0
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You're right, but that is bloody stupid isn't it. This is the speech of a determined leader.Richard_Nabavi said:The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.
i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.
A vote being tabled means a vote would pass. And a vote would have to pass for the deal to be signed and made law....0 -
And if Parliament votes down the deal don't we simply crash out with no deal?Richard_Nabavi said:The pound rose because she said that there would be a parliamentary vote on the deal.
i.e., because the market is still in denial, and is hoping that Brexit can be scuppered in some way.0 -
Excellent speech, I've been very chary about her - this delivery dispels those worries for me.Mortimer said:0 -
That's an important distinction.Mortimer said:Looks to me like we'll have a customs union with the EU, but not be in the EU customs union.
Of course, it takes two (or in this case 28) to tango, and there's absolutely no guarantee that what she wants will be on offer.0
