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"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.0 -
Channeling my inner metropolitan, and setting condescension to 'stunning', it's not so much cheap labour as it is better quality employees.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
The garages and shops in these parts are full of pleasant, well-educated, hard-working East Europeans. The local school leavers can't compete. It reduces training costs, provides better customer service, and there is apparently an infinite supply of people of that ilk.0 -
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?0 -
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?0 -
Approaching target. I'd suggest it's time for an interest rate rise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
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Inflation up 33% in a month again.Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
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He's certainly getting the 'grumpy old man' bit - in spades over the last few days constructed by hatred of Tories combined with despair at Corbyn's Labour party and a bowl of trumphobia!CarlottaVance said:
Maybe he's getting one without the other?Alanbrooke said:
you seem to resent the benefit of wisdom that comes with ageSouthamObserver said:
And those who don't work voted Leave.HYUFD said:
No, the richest voters voted Remain, May is simply not backing down on the border controls most Leave voters wantSouthamObserver said:
Corbyn wasn't mentioned in the question about the wages cap. He was in the one about the NHS. And there's Labour's problem in a nutshell.NickPalmer said:
No, it didn't - polling shows majority approval for it. The gap beteen highest and lowest earners in some companies is hard to justify, however, keen one is on the free market: there is an element of the bodies that dtermine executive pay scratching each others' backs. And as refined in his later statements (that Government contracts will be limited to companies with a declared corporate earnings disparity less than 100:1) it's also feasible, and has the support of the Financial Times among others.Sandpit said:
Maybe it attracted a couple of Greens to the fold. Went down like a cup of cold sick with 90% of the population though.MTimT said:Was the income cap idea "reaching out beyond his devoted following"?
I do agree with Don that a convincing economic narrative is crucial, though, and oppositions getting a hearing at all is non-trivial unless theGovernment is spectacularly screwing up.
Today Theresa May will announce the Billionaire's Brexit. One that will deliver lower public spending, more cuts to corporation tax, reduced employment rights, lower environmental standards, slower wages growth, higher prices and shorter retirements. It is a goal so open that only the most chaotically incompetent leader of the opposition could fail to hit the back of the net. Let's see how your man does.0 -
Lol - I'd be ashamed to post such rubbish.Essexit said:
"The referendum vote does not deserve to be respected because, as an outgrowth of English narcissism, it is itself disrespectful of others, of our allies, partners, neighbours, friends, and, in many cases, even relatives. Like resentful ruffians uprooting the new trees in the park and trashing the new play area, 17 million English, the lager louts of Europe, voted for Brexit in an act of geopolitical vandalism."williamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
This article really is peak Remoan.0 -
So why on Earth did we cut interest rates as the pound was falling?Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
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The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?0 -
Pound soaring against the dollar.
Brexit or something.0 -
No roads??Scott_P said:@GuardianAnushka: Interestingly Ann Linde - Swedish foreign minister- said after meeting David Davis was clear that now "inevitable" UK out of single market
@GuardianAnushka: But also warning on customs union- saying Swedish inquiry found 2000 businesses cited Norway as most difficult county to trade with
There is a reason Norway doesn't have a big car industry...0 -
WG did not notice thatEssexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.0 -
I'm all for keeping illustrators in work but how does it relate to your point?isam said:The 'great employment figures' / 'mass immigration of cheap labour doesn't affect the lowest paid' lie exposed
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I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.0 -
Just think how bad it would be if there wasn't so much duty on petrol/diesel.TheScreamingEagles said:
Inflation up 33% in a month again.Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
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See pound is rising after inflation figures - anticipation of interest rate rise maybe0
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Part of this is down to oil price rises which the fall in the £ has added to. Equally to be fair we're still not at target level for inflation.Scott_P said:0 -
That's Mark Carney for youSandpit said:
So why on Earth did we cut interest rates as the pound was falling?Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
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I have been saying for years on here that the mass import of cheap Labour leads to lower wages and less job security. People try to deny it by pointing out the number of people "Employed", this latest data show the lowest paid are now 4 times more likely to be in part time work than 20 years ago. The leader of the Remain campaign warned big business that leaving the EU would push up wages.edmundintokyo said:
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?
I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either.
Maybe you are right and its all just coincidence0 -
Yeah fuck the British poor, if they moan we can call them racist or sumfinkJohn_M said:
Channeling my inner metropolitan, and setting condescension to 'stunning', it's not so much cheap labour as it is better quality employees.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
The garages and shops in these parts are full of pleasant, well-educated, hard-working East Europeans. The local school leavers can't compete. It reduces training costs, provides better customer service, and there is apparently an infinite supply of people of that ilk.
If only there were a way they could show their displeasure.. a vote maybe?
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Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?0 -
Tell me about.tlg86 said:
Just think how bad it would be if there wasn't so much duty on petrol/diesel.TheScreamingEagles said:
Inflation up 33% in a month again.Big_G_NorthWales said:Inflation up from 1.2% to 1.6%
I've had to downsize, ditched the 4.2 litre beast for a more modest 3 litre vehicle.
Brexit inflation is hitting me hard.
I'll think Caroline Lucas will love me for that.0 -
I think you need to compare it to the Yen and the Euro, because the dollar is tanking this morning on Donald Trump's comments that the US Dollar is overvalued.TGOHF said:Pound soaring against the dollar.
Brexit or something.
On that measure, Sterling is up 0.2% against the Euro, and down 0.1% against the Yen.0 -
Is there a word for signalling to Brexiteers you share their yearning for a return of the Empire?
@MrHarryCole: Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."0 -
I insist on paying for everything in guineas. That's how you can tell a true Empire loyalist.Scott_P said:Is there a word for signalling to Brexiteers you share their yearning for a return of the Empire?
@MrHarryCole: Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."0 -
Sam read the fucking research. Here's an extract from one expert (Manacorda et al):isam said:
I have been saying for years on here that the mass import of cheap Labour leads to lower wages and less job security. People try to deny it by pointing out the number of people "Employed", this latest data show the lowest paid are now 4 times more likely to be in part time work than 20 years ago. The leader of the Remain campaign warned big business that leaving the EU would push up wages.edmundintokyo said:
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?
I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either.
Maybe you are right and its all just coincidence
"Immigration to the UK, particularly among more educated workers, has risen appreciably over the past 30 years and as such has raised labor supply. However studies of the impact of immigration have failed to find any significant effect on the wages of native-born workers in the UK. This is potentially puzzling since there is evidence that changes in the supply of educated natives have had significant effects on their wages. Using a pooled time series of British cross-sectional micro data on male wages and employment from the mid-1970s to the mid-2000s, this paper offers one possible resolution to this puzzle, namely that in the UK natives and foreign born workers are imperfect substitutes. We show that immigration has primarily reduced the wages of immigrants—and in particular of university educated immigrants—with little discernable effect on the wages of the native-born."
It's not a slam dunk either way but really, these people have been thinking about this for a lot longer (or perhaps just as long) as you have been intuiting away.0 -
Scott_P said:
Is there a word for signalling to Brexiteers you share their yearning for a return of the Empire?
@MrHarryCole: Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."
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"I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either."isam said:
I have been saying for years on here that the mass import of cheap Labour leads to lower wages and less job security. People try to deny it by pointing out the number of people "Employed", this latest data show the lowest paid are now 4 times more likely to be in part time work than 20 years ago. The leader of the Remain campaign warned big business that leaving the EU would push up wages.edmundintokyo said:
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?
I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either.
Maybe you are right and its all just coincidence
I know several working-class men (in ex-mining areas as well, for extra points) who have done exactly that.
Childcare is expensive. The person who earns more continues to work, and the one who doesn't looks after the child. Or they both work part-time and split shifts.
I'm all for it. Looking after a kid is fun, and why should women get all the fun.
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Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
Completely through the looking glass.Scott_P said:Is there a word for signalling to Brexiteers you share their yearning for a return of the Empire?
@MrHarryCole: Great spot by @isaby: "it's not a metric 10-point plan, but a rather more imperial-sounding 12-point plan."0 -
Nick Boles:
Some have argued that the referendum did no more than mandate an exit from full membership of the European Union and does not require exit from the Single Market or the customs union or the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. As a technical matter of law, this is clearly right. But as a matter of political strategy, I believe that it would be a huge error for liberal Conservatives to go down this road....
If we try to fight for continued membership of the Single Market – and the obligations that entails – we will be picking ground that is impossible to defend for two reasons. Partly because the leaders of both the Remain and the Leave campaigns argued consistently that a vote to leave the EU would take us out of the Single Market. But mainly because the motives of Leave voters, while not on the ballot paper and having no legal force, are well understood and politically inescapable. They voted to take back control of our laws and our immigration policy and membership of the Single Market would make that impossible.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/01/nick-boles-liberal-conservatives-must-abandon-fantasies-about-staying-in-the-single-market.html
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Topping EiT. Sorry I'm repeating your posts. I hadn't reached them when I posted. Too distracted by ISAM's cartoon and not up to speed in this post truth culture. It's a new thing for advertisers.0
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Ummm....CarlottaVance said:the leaders of both the Remain and the Leave campaigns argued consistently that a vote to leave the EU would take us out of the Single Market.
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Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.0 -
I know loads of people who have lost hours/wages because of EU immigration but didnt want to have to resort to anecdoteJosiasJessop said:
"I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either."isam said:
I have been saying for years on here that the mass import of cheap Labour leads to lower wages and less job security. People try to deny it by pointing out the number of people "Employed", this latest data show the lowest paid are now 4 times more likely to be in part time work than 20 years ago. The leader of the Remain campaign warned big business that leaving the EU would push up wages.edmundintokyo said:
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?
I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either.
Maybe you are right and its all just coincidence
I know several working-class men (in ex-mining areas as well, for extra points) who have done exactly that.
Childcare is expensive. The person who earns more continues to work, and the one who doesn't looks after the child. Or they both work part-time and split shifts.
I'm all for it. Looking after a kid is fun, and why should women get all the fun.0 -
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.0 -
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_48392140 -
As I just said to Topping, I have read the fucking research, in fact I linked to it to prove my point in my original debate with you. This was because I did not want to be seen to be using sources that agreed with me to make my point. NIESR is a pro EU organisation, and they say the lowest paid are marginally worse off. I could use migration watch and they would say they are a lot worse off.TOPPING said:
Sam read the fucking research. Here's an extract from one expert (Manacorda et al):isam said:
I really doubt that the lowest paid men in society are giving up hours to look after the baby either.edmundintokyo said:
We've done this before. It brings down the cost of labour for that particular task. What it does to the job prospects of a human being, who is capable of more than one task, is a more complicated question that can't be answered with "Doh, supply and demand".isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
But since you didn't answer my original question, can I take that to mean that you have no new information on whether the rise in part-time work is related to immigration, and that's just a conclusion you jumped to?
Maybe you are right and its all just coincidence
"Immigration to the UK, particularly among more educated workers, has risen appreciably over the past 30 years and as such has raised labor supply. However studies of the impact of immigration have failed to find any significant effect on the wages of native-born workers in the UK. This is potentially puzzling since there is evidence that changes in the supply of educated natives have had significant effects on their wages. Using a pooled time series of British cross-sectional micro data on male wages and employment from the mid-1970s to the mid-2000s, this paper offers one possible resolution to this puzzle, namely that in the UK natives and foreign born workers are imperfect substitutes. We show that immigration has primarily reduced the wages of immigrants—and in particular of university educated immigrants—with little discernable effect on the wages of the native-born."
It's not a slam dunk either way but really, these people have been thinking about this for a lot longer (or perhaps just as long) as you have been intuiting away.
Stewart Rose admitted that wages would rise if we left the EU.. that is why he was never seen again. Lowest paid men are 4 times as likely to be in part time work than in 1997. Maybe its all just coincidence, maybe they are all house husbands...0 -
Have they ever been to Wales and tried telling them they're really just part of England !!Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
Hannan was on the Committee but was not a Leader of Vote Leave.....Scott_P said:
Ummm....CarlottaVance said:the leaders of both the Remain and the Leave campaigns argued consistently that a vote to leave the EU would take us out of the Single Market.
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LOLCarlottaVance said:
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_4839214
some of them may have to pay their staff the minimum wage - quelle horreur0 -
Fen-Poly - what do you expect?Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
I imagine his experience of the UK amounts to Oxford, Cambridge, and Heathrow.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Have they ever been to Wales and tried telling them they're really just part of England !!Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
Jesus H.CarlottaVance said:
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_4839214
Lets just leave.0 -
“I think our kitchens could get by, but front of house will really suffer – especially high-end. If I’m honest, I’m really f*****g scared I won’t get the staff. English people just don’t wait tables”.CarlottaVance said:
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_4839214
More England-bashing! Jeez.
Edit: also LOL at the article generally. At least they know who their readers are though.0 -
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/88490 -
Oi! I went to that Fen-Poly! And you'll incur TSE's wrath now.CarlottaVance said:
Fen-Poly - what do you expect?Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
From 'All Out War'.
This slow unravelling was infuriating to Dominic Cummings, who had decreed from the beginning that Vote Leave should never be pinned down to one trade model, because no two Eurosceptics could agree on the issue, and the public did not understand it.
He had told Vote Leave staff: ‘No one knows what the single market is. The MPs don’t know what the single market is! No one knows! No one will know what it is by the end of this campaign. Period.’
It's worth noting that Stronger In were jubilant on the 8th May when Gove was clear that Brexit meant no Single Market, and Osborne immediately put the boot in. I think that moment was lost in the brouhaha that followed, but the information was out there.0 -
Didn't we cover this when debating Miliband vs Osborne on the coalition's jobs miracle?isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s0 -
"Choose a restaurant at random in any UK city"Essexit said:
“I think our kitchens could get by, but front of house will really suffer – especially high-end. If I’m honest, I’m really f*****g scared I won’t get the staff. English people just don’t wait tables”.CarlottaVance said:
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_4839214
More England-bashing! Jeez.
Edit: also LOL at the article generally. At least they know who their readers are though.
Mention of cities:
London 7
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You are forgiven, but TSE labours under the delusion that its the best university in the world while any fule no that its Cowley Tec - just ask the Prime Minister, or her predecessor, or the one before the one before that.....Essexit said:
Oi! I went to that Fen-Poly! And you'll incur TSE's wrath now.CarlottaVance said:
Fen-Poly - what do you expect?Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.0 -
Thanks - I tried to find it via BBC Breakfast and the IFS webpage but couldn't. I'll get back to you!isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/88490 -
Edit: interesting premise on the summary - income inequality has fallen, but I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing.TOPPING said:
Thanks - I tried to find it via BBC Breakfast and the IFS webpage but couldn't. I'll get back to you!isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/88490 -
So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
I think the CTA was in place before the EUTheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
There was a nice story about a Rabbi who was helping his daughter with her philosophy homework when he got a text from his wife who was out shopping "What do you want from life?".Blue_rog said:
I now declare Jonathan as a spoof liberal elite leftie. In the real world surely no-one does there main shop at Fortnums with a top up at LidlJonathan said:Fortnums for the main shop. Topped up by lidl.
An interesting question he thought so they discussed it at some length. Some time later his wife returned and asked why he hadn't replied to her text?. 'It was far too complicated a subject to reply to in a text.' he said.
"What do you want from LIDL?"0 -
The Complete University Guide 2017’s rankings have been topped by Cambridge and the Other Place.CarlottaVance said:
You are forgiven, but TSE labours under the delusion that its the best university in the world while any fule no that its Cowley Tec - just ask the Prime Minister, or her predecessor, or the one before the one before that.....Essexit said:
Oi! I went to that Fen-Poly! And you'll incur TSE's wrath now.CarlottaVance said:
Fen-Poly - what do you expect?Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
https://www.thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2016/04/25/cambridge-university-rankings-74558/amp0 -
The servant problem rears its head again.Essexit said:
“I think our kitchens could get by, but front of house will really suffer – especially high-end. If I’m honest, I’m really f*****g scared I won’t get the staff. English people just don’t wait tables”.CarlottaVance said:
In fairness, the New European has its finger on the pulse of the typical British family:Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/michelin_restaurants_in_britain_how_will_brexit_impact_uk_fine_dining_1_4839214
More England-bashing! Jeez.
Edit: also LOL at the article generally. At least they know who their readers are though.0 -
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Does the Republic's membership of the EU preclude the CTA being restarted ?rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Ack my uni has slipped to 12thTheScreamingEagles said:
The Complete University Guide 2017’s rankings have been topped by Cambridge and the Other Place.CarlottaVance said:
You are forgiven, but TSE labours under the delusion that its the best university in the world while any fule no that its Cowley Tec - just ask the Prime Minister, or her predecessor, or the one before the one before that.....Essexit said:
Oi! I went to that Fen-Poly! And you'll incur TSE's wrath now.CarlottaVance said:
Fen-Poly - what do you expect?Essexit said:
Unsurprising, he works in the MML faculty: http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/professor-nicholas-boyleSean_F said:
I can't say I find his amateur psychoanalysis very persuasive.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.
But he has 'a degree', which qualifies him to pontificate on the mental state of Europe's lager louts, the English. In fact it has just granted him the ability to talk out of his arse with zero self-awareness.
https://www.thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2016/04/25/cambridge-university-rankings-74558/amp
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94......rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Appendage. Hmm, still better than being a European member I guess.Essexit said:
"The pattern of voting showed up a colossal divergence between England, with its Welsh appendage, on the one hand, and Scotland and Northern Ireland on the other."HYUFD said:
Wales also voted Leavewilliamglenn said:http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882
Europhobia was shown by the referendum to be a specifically English psychosis, the narcissistic outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
The author sounds a nice chap.0 -
1923. We suspended it during the war and reinstated it in '52.Blue_rog said:
I think the CTA was in place before the EUTheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Is Theresa going to announce the hospital building schedule?
http://i4.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article11978043.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/MSR_MAI_041016hospital.jpg
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/funding-350m-super-hospital-been-12102274
One of these ^ every week, wasn't it?
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@paulwaugh: David Davis statement on 'A New Partnership with the EU' due around 2pm in Commons. First chance for MPs to question May speech/plan0
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Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. Between 1939 and 1952 we implemented passport checks on people going between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, but we retained the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.John_M said:
1923. We suspended it during the war and reinstated it in '52.Blue_rog said:
I think the CTA was in place before the EUTheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
It was suspended for about 14 years around the Second World War...CarlottaVance said:
94......rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
What do we think the lag time would be... for most things it would be ~ 6 months no? Also that's "all materials" compared to imports, if it too is up 15%Scott_P said:0 -
I vaguely recall an idea being floated of keeping a more limited CTA, i.e. Ireland only, with the hard border being at mainland ports/airports.TheScreamingEagles said:
Does the Republic's membership of the EU preclude the CTA being restarted ?rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Tax credits I believeTOPPING said:
Edit: interesting premise on the summary - income inequality has fallen, but I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing.TOPPING said:
Thanks - I tried to find it via BBC Breakfast and the IFS webpage but couldn't. I'll get back to you!isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/88490 -
Treasury Questions is taking place at the same time as Theresa May's speech.
Poor Phil Hammond's going to have a difficult time if Sterling falls big time.0 -
There will be a surge in inflation mid-year as currency hedges unwind.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do we think the lag time would be... for most things it would be ~ 6 months no? Also that's "all materials" compared to imports, if it too is up 15%Scott_P said:0 -
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The CTA hasn't been stopped - it's still in place.TheScreamingEagles said:
Does the Republic's membership of the EU preclude the CTA being restarted ?rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
And without that being explicit because the DUP will go nuts if it is, is that not the basis for some sort of accommodation with the Republic on FOM to keep the border "open" whilst de facto regulating the 97.5% of the UK for immigration purposes, which is not NI?.rcs1000 said:
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. Between 1939 and 1952 we implemented passport checks on people going between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, but we retained the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.John_M said:
1923. We suspended it during the war and reinstated it in '52.Blue_rog said:
I think the CTA was in place before the EUTheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Ah.CarlottaVance said:
The CTA hasn't been stopped - it's still in place.TheScreamingEagles said:
Does the Republic's membership of the EU preclude the CTA being restarted ?rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
Do either of those links talk about immigration?isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8849
If they did I must have missed it...?0 -
@bbclaurak: Hearing a number of MPs tabling urgent questions on May's EU plan0
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In theory yes. In practice passports are checked at the main Irish airports and equally I've had my passport checked flying into the UK. Given that we don't have ID cards, there's an assumption that people will be carrying passports.CarlottaVance said:
The CTA hasn't been stopped - it's still in place.TheScreamingEagles said:
Does the Republic's membership of the EU preclude the CTA being restarted ?rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
@isam
"It is also clear from the figure that it was not simply an effect of the recession: it has been a consistent trend over the past 20 years."
"However, inequality in their net income – that is, after direct taxes have been paid and state benefits received – did not rise. This was partly the result of deliberate policy decisions, and in particular the large expansion of tax credits in the late 1990s and 2000s, which boosted the income of low-income working households. "
"This is largely because weekly earnings inequality among men rose: partly because hourly wages grew faster towards the top than at the middle and bottom of the distribution."
So a paper talking about household income inequality explains that the proportion of working men of the lowest income bracket who are doing part time work (and those without children, thus expelling the childcare issue) has increased.
But it says nowhere why. I control F-ed "immigration" and results came there none.
So it seems to be down to you to intuit that the trend (over the past 20 years) is because of immigration.0 -
Not within Ireland - only between the islands of Ireland and Great Britain. Didn't apply to the Channel Islands 1941-45 obvs.....rcs1000 said:
It was suspended for about 14 years around the Second World War...CarlottaVance said:
94......rcs1000 said:
The Common Travel Area dates back 80 odd years, and we didn't have a customs union with Ireland for much of that time.TheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
I wish people would stop being disingenuous. iSam is making a fairly straightforward point. You can agree or disagree, or you can accept it up to a point.rkrkrk said:
Do either of those links talk about immigration?isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8849
If they did I must have missed it...?0 -
The question, to me, is whether a tight labour market and rising inflation figures feeds through into wage pressure, which then feeds through into prices.John_M said:
There will be a surge in inflation mid-year as currency hedges unwind.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do we think the lag time would be... for most things it would be ~ 6 months no? Also that's "all materials" compared to imports, if it too is up 15%Scott_P said:
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But his point is that immigration has suppressed wages at the lower end. This paper says absolutely nothing about the role of immigration in wage inequality (its subject) or why more lower skilled men are working part time (a 20 year trend).TheWhiteRabbit said:
I wish people would stop being disingenuous. iSam is making a fairly straightforward point. You can agree or disagree, or you can accept it up to a point.rkrkrk said:
Do either of those links talk about immigration?isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8849
If they did I must have missed it...?0 -
@bbclaurak: David Davis will make a statement to Commons but some MPs trying to force PM to go instead -anger simmering that parliament being 'excluded'
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I do lol at people (Twitter is endlessly entertaining) working themselves up into a frenzy about our upcoming bout of hyperinflationrcs1000 said:
The question, to me, is whether a tight labour market and rising inflation figures feeds through into wage pressure, which then feeds through into prices.John_M said:
There will be a surge in inflation mid-year as currency hedges unwind.TheWhiteRabbit said:
What do we think the lag time would be... for most things it would be ~ 6 months no? Also that's "all materials" compared to imports, if it too is up 15%Scott_P said:
If it does not, then inflation is likely to top out at c. 2.5%..
Then I remember my vow to be more charitable; there's a good chunk of the adult populace who have no experience of anything but low interest rates coupled with low inflation.0 -
It's a very interesting compromise. But as you say, separating Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK in this way would... err... not go down well with certain communities.welshowl said:
And without that being explicit because the DUP will go nuts if it is, is that not the basis for some sort of accommodation with the Republic on FOM to keep the border "open" whilst de facto regulating the 97.5% of the UK for immigration purposes, which is not NI?.rcs1000 said:
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. Between 1939 and 1952 we implemented passport checks on people going between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, but we retained the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.John_M said:
1923. We suspended it during the war and reinstated it in '52.Blue_rog said:
I think the CTA was in place before the EUTheScreamingEagles said:So now that it is confirmed that we are leaving the customs union, that means a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?
I'm in favour of a hard border, given people from that island have caused more terrorism on the mainland than anyone else.
Gawd, I'm becoming more pro Brexit by the minute.0 -
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Not that I want to encourage you, but this speech will set the cat amongst the pigeons.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Hearing a number of MPs tabling urgent questions on May's EU plan
The interesting question, now, is how will the Brexit bill pass through parliament, and with what amendments.
Lib Dems/SNP will all vote "no", a few others from NI parties, but the big question is how Labour splits: against, for, and abstentions.
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I'm not being disingenuous... I thought he might have linked to the wrong study or I might have missed something in my skim read.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I wish people would stop being disingenuous. iSam is making a fairly straightforward point. You can agree or disagree, or you can accept it up to a point.rkrkrk said:
Do either of those links talk about immigration?isam said:
I am sure you have the ability to do this yourself, but anywayTOPPING said:
Can you link to the IFS research which underpins the cartoon (what else is it?). I will have a read.isam said:
Your whole tone is always vey patronising. I put it down to losing the ref and needing to feel superior.TOPPING said:
Don't be sad. You linked to a 15-second cartoon that said something about part-time working. I linked to a paper by the NIESR (which in turn referenced other papers) about the effect of immigration on wages.isam said:
The saddest thing about your posts is that you must believe your patronising tone is effective.TOPPING said:
Sam read the research. We can have a good discussion about it afterwards. It might not make you feel as good as some cartoon men but it is interesting nevertheless.isam said:@edmundintokyo @TOPPING
People such as yourselves are supply and demand deniers, so I doubt anything can change your minds, but what is the point of cheap Labour if it doesn't bring down the cost of Labour?
You presumably linked to your cartoon to support your point; I linked to the research to support mine.
What's patronising about that?
Calling it a cartoon to undermine the point is one example. The NIESR research is something I have linked to in the past to prove my point, and I used it because it is Jonathan Portes is a very pro EU person and I didn't want to seem as though I only used the views of people on my side.
A good thing in debate, Topping, is to use sources that don't always agree with you.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jan/13/low-paid-men-in-uk-four-times-more-likely-to-be-working-part-time-than-in-1990s
https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8849
If they did I must have missed it...?
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The ones who stood on this manifesto?Casino_Royale said:(Incidentally, I expect it to pass anyway because 300 Tories will vote for it)
https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/8213056073702768660
