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  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    I just ordered something off of there and didn't notice any issues.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,681
    edited December 2016
    Official results from Italy here
    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/monitor/20161204/ultimipervFI01.htm

    6.165 polling places out of 61.551 reported so far
    No at 59%

    Yes ahead only in Tuscany and Bozen/Trento so far.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Alternatively it may just be Christmas shopping.
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    I wanted a YES vote to improve Italy but wanted NO because I hate the liberal elite. So, happy with NO.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Amazon.co.uk works for me.
    thats funny I cannot get a connection to Amazon.
  • It's looking like a comprehensive defeat & he'll resign.

    Apart from the German speaking Trentino Alto Adige and possibly Tuscany, he has lost everywhere.

    Actually, Germans are only a majority in South Tyrol, the northern half of Trentino Alto-Adige. Italians are the overwhelming majority in Trento, the southern half. In fact, the two halves of Trentino Alto-Adige are de facto regions in their own right.
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    And the Comprehensive system works for almost nobody. It is comprehensively bad.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,942
    The sulky one.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Merkel will decide
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,841
    Pauly said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Thanks all.

    So essentially is more trouble for Juncker, Tusk and all the rest of the eurocrats? ;)

    Yes it is.

    Renzi was essentially appointed PM of Italy by Merkel.

    The Liberal-European fight back narrative lasted less than 100 hours from Richmond Park till Italy.
    Isn't this a vote for the status quo?
    No because Renzi said he would resign if he lost. Renzi removed the status quo from being an option. Please do keep up.
    I see my question is answered. I wasn't keeping up, sorry.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016

    Official results from Italy here
    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/monitor/20161204/ultimipervFI01.htm

    6.165 polling places out of 61.551 reported so far
    No at 59%

    Yes ahead only in Tuscany and Bozen/Trento so far.



    Of the two traditionally socialist areas he will win Tuscany, there is more than enough votes to come from Siena.

    Emilia-Romagna though will be tough.

    Not surprising that the austrians of Bozen have voted differently that the rest of Italy.
  • AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Depends who Merkel wants.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited December 2016

    Official results from Italy here
    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/monitor/20161204/ultimipervFI01.htm

    6.165 polling places out of 61.551 reported so far
    No at 59%

    Yes ahead only in Tuscany and Bozen/Trento so far.

    Most of the reporting is from Bolzano so far, Trento is more "No" and turnout is much higher in Trento.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,803
    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Berlusconi? :D
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    I know this will tread on a few toes - but is there really any point to arts GCSE and A levels. It would be a lot easier on children if they were just relegated to general knowledge.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,814

    It's looking like a comprehensive defeat & he'll resign.

    Apart from the German speaking Trentino Alto Adige and possibly Tuscany, he has lost everywhere.

    Actually, Germans are only a majority in South Tyrol, the northern half of Trentino Alto-Adige. Italians are the overwhelming majority in Trento, the southern half. In fact, the two halves of Trentino Alto-Adige are de facto regions in their own right.
    True, but look at the results from the German speaking area and the Italian speaking area!

    Bolzano is 62.4 % SI; Trento is 52.8 % NO
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,942
    PAW said:

    I know this will tread on a few toes - but is there really any point to arts GCSE and A levels. It would be a lot easier on children if they were just relegated to general knowledge.

    I didn't go for art at GCSE, seemed a hard subject.

    Though that probably tells you more about me than the system !
  • AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    tyson?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016
    Dixie said:

    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Merkel will decide
    Possibly, but not a guarantee.

    The PD bosses wanted Renzi out because they didn't like Merkel calling the shots in their party, it was a vote loser.
  • And it's about 50-50 in Bozen city. The current yes lead there is driven by some village somewhere...

    Official results from Italy here
    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/monitor/20161204/ultimipervFI01.htm

    6.165 polling places out of 61.551 reported so far
    No at 59%

    Yes ahead only in Tuscany and Bozen/Trento so far.

    Most of the reporting is from Bolzano so far, Trento is more "No" and turnout is higher in Trento.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Looks like the polls may have got the margin wrong this time, although they got the winner right.
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
    Take it up with Maggie, she was a scientist, she saw the evidence, and knew what works.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,841

    AnneJGP said:

    Barnesian said:

    Yes 45.5
    No 54.5

    10 sections counted

    EDIT Out of 61,000 so don't get too excited!

    The interesting question is whether or not Renzi resigns at his news conference due in 40 minutes our time
    This question comes from sheer ignorance.

    If he wasn't elected, why would he resign?

    (Good evening, everyone)
    His opponents are asking for his resignation - are you saying they are ignorant
    No, the ignorance is mine.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Is the press conference late? Do you think Mr Obama and Mrs Merkel have called him?
  • And it's about 50-50 in Bozen city. The current yes lead there is driven by some village somewhere...

    Official results from Italy here
    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/monitor/20161204/ultimipervFI01.htm

    6.165 polling places out of 61.551 reported so far
    No at 59%

    Yes ahead only in Tuscany and Bozen/Trento so far.

    Most of the reporting is from Bolzano so far, Trento is more "No" and turnout is higher in Trento.
    Italians are majority in the Bolzano/Bozen city, despite the South Tyrol region being two-thirds German
  • Press conference delayed by 20 minutes
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
    Take it up with Maggie, she was a scientist, she saw the evidence, and knew what works.
    Well she was wrong about a lot of things including the EU for much of her career until she saw the light. It is really no surprise to find she was wrong about grammar schools as well.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited December 2016
    PAW said:

    Is the press conference late? Do you think Mr Obama and Mrs Merkel have called him?

    Delayed 20 mins apparently.
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
    Take it up with Maggie, she was a scientist, she saw the evidence, and knew what works.
    Grammar schools are free at the point of the use
    Public schools have shedloads of fees, and produce pompous [email protected] like TSE!

    (only kidding about the [email protected] bit :lol: )
  • It's looking like a comprehensive defeat & he'll resign.

    Apart from the German speaking Trentino Alto Adige and possibly Tuscany, he has lost everywhere.

    Actually, Germans are only a majority in South Tyrol, the northern half of Trentino Alto-Adige. Italians are the overwhelming majority in Trento, the southern half. In fact, the two halves of Trentino Alto-Adige are de facto regions in their own right.
    True, but look at the results from the German speaking area and the Italian speaking area!

    Bolzano is 62.4 % SI; Trento is 52.8 % NO
    Ethnic split in evidence there!
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Speedy said:

    Dixie said:

    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Merkel will decide
    Possibly, but not a guarantee.

    The PD bosses wanted Renzi out because they didn't like Merkel calling the shots in their party, it was a vote loser.
    hope you are right. EU is a dictatorship without Gestapo.
  • AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Barnesian said:

    Yes 45.5
    No 54.5

    10 sections counted

    EDIT Out of 61,000 so don't get too excited!

    The interesting question is whether or not Renzi resigns at his news conference due in 40 minutes our time
    This question comes from sheer ignorance.

    If he wasn't elected, why would he resign?

    (Good evening, everyone)
    His opponents are asking for his resignation - are you saying they are ignorant
    No, the ignorance is mine.
    You are not in anyway ignorant - we can all make the odd mistake
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Berlusconi? :D
    Trumps slightly dodgy uncle? Yeah, why not...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    It's looking like a comprehensive defeat & he'll resign.

    Apart from the German speaking Trentino Alto Adige and possibly Tuscany, he has lost everywhere.

    Actually, Germans are only a majority in South Tyrol, the northern half of Trentino Alto-Adige. Italians are the overwhelming majority in Trento, the southern half. In fact, the two halves of Trentino Alto-Adige are de facto regions in their own right.
    True, but look at the results from the German speaking area and the Italian speaking area!

    Bolzano is 62.4 % SI; Trento is 52.8 % NO
    Ethnic split in evidence there!
    Germans like Renzi, the Italians do not.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeK said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Amazon.co.uk works for me.
    thats funny I cannot get a connection to Amazon.
    working fine for me too.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Imagine what would happen if he refuses to resign:

    https://twitter.com/pierloreto/status/805548882033868800
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Renzi concedes
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MikeK said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Amazon.co.uk works for me.
    thats funny I cannot get a connection to Amazon.
    working fine for me too.
    I had to change browsers to get it - Amazon - back. Maybe someone was trying to hack me.
  • Which is more important to the future of Europe, fellow PBers?

    A ceremonial President in Austria, or
    A constitutional referendum in Italy?

    I'm sure the Guardian is leading with the former because the likely outcome came through first.......
  • Obvious solution: Resign now, see how the next guy does, it the voters don't like him then come back before the next election.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Is Renzi resigning? He is going on and on like a North Korean leader at a conference.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,457
    Not sure if it is the translator but the PM seems to be having something close to a breakdown on Sky. Totally incoherent.
  • Which is more important to the future of Europe, fellow PBers?

    A ceremonial President in Austria, or
    A constitutional referendum in Italy?

    I'm sure the Guardian is leading with the former because the likely outcome came through first.......

    The day the polls turned.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,803

    Which is more important to the future of Europe, fellow PBers?

    A ceremonial President in Austria, or
    A constitutional referendum in Italy?

    I'm sure the Guardian is leading with the former because the likely outcome came through first.......

    The day the polls turned.
    paging scrapheap.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Renzi — "In Italian politics nobody ever really loses" according to the BBC translation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,075
    Trigger warning for Big G: There's a big EU flag behind Renzi.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    this could be a 4-hour speech. Communistic. Don't think he is resigning.
  • MikeK said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Amazon.co.uk works for me.
    thats funny I cannot get a connection to Amazon.
    working fine for me too.
    Fine here too - useful tool:

    http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,841

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Barnesian said:

    Yes 45.5
    No 54.5

    10 sections counted

    EDIT Out of 61,000 so don't get too excited!

    The interesting question is whether or not Renzi resigns at his news conference due in 40 minutes our time
    This question comes from sheer ignorance.

    If he wasn't elected, why would he resign?

    (Good evening, everyone)
    His opponents are asking for his resignation - are you saying they are ignorant
    No, the ignorance is mine.
    You are not in anyway ignorant - we can all make the odd mistake
    Thank you, but I thought Mr Renzi was an EU-political appointee (therefore not subject to ballot-box dismissal) and I didn't know he had said he would resign.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,457
    It does sound like he is resigning. I think.
  • Renzi resigns
  • Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Renzi to resign — BBC.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Bye bye.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    fuck me,,,resigned. took his time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,075

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Good riddance to bad rubbish.
  • Trigger warning for Big G: There's a big EU flag behind Renzi.

    Good to have humour - well spotted
  • AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Barnesian said:

    Yes 45.5
    No 54.5

    10 sections counted

    EDIT Out of 61,000 so don't get too excited!

    The interesting question is whether or not Renzi resigns at his news conference due in 40 minutes our time
    This question comes from sheer ignorance.

    If he wasn't elected, why would he resign?

    (Good evening, everyone)
    His opponents are asking for his resignation - are you saying they are ignorant
    No, the ignorance is mine.
    You are not in anyway ignorant - we can all make the odd mistake
    Thank you, but I thought Mr Renzi was an EU-political appointee (therefore not subject to ballot-box dismissal) and I didn't know he had said he would resign.
    I sympathise - it is difficult to keep up sometimes......

    Another brick through the window......
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
    Take it up with Maggie, she was a scientist, she saw the evidence, and knew what works.
    Grammar schools are free at the point of the use
    Public schools have shedloads of fees, and produce pompous [email protected] like TSE!

    (only kidding about the [email protected] bit :lol: )
    Typical from supporters of grammar schools, no facts, just insults.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,372
    edited December 2016
    That's the end of that then...
  • Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
  • Renzi = Cameron :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 79,096

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Wasn't there a small Italian party inspired by cameron?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,372
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Has anyone tried to get through to the Amazon web site in the last 24 hours?

    I have tried, and it seems that the site is under some form of attack.

    Amazon.co.uk works for me.
    thats funny I cannot get a connection to Amazon.
    working fine for me too.
    I had to change browsers to get it - Amazon - back. Maybe someone was trying to hack me.
    More likely to be a firewall issue I'd have thought?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    That's the end of that then...

    Indeed.

    The Liberal fightback narrative lasted as long as the Battle of the Bulge.

    Populism is still marching.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Florence one of the few areas voting Yes, currently 58% with 520/959 declared:

    http://elezioni.interno.it/referendum/scrutini/20161204/FI01090300000.htm
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Hollands and Renzi resigning in same week. Democrats lost a month ago. Left going backwards. Superb.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,803

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,457
    Italian Banks are going to take a bath tomorrow morning. There will be a great strain on the whole Euro system.
  • PAW said:

    But what about the kids that don't make it into public schools? What about them?

    That's where the state steps in, Mrs May should focus her efforts on continuing the excellent works of Gove and Morgan.

    Even Mrs Thatcher in her infinite wisdom as Education Secretary closed or merged grammar schools at a level not seen before or after, and didn't open a single new grammar as Prime Minister.

    She knew grammars don't work for all.
    Public schools shaft the poor, because of the fees!
    Take it up with Maggie, she was a scientist, she saw the evidence, and knew what works.
    Grammar schools are free at the point of the use
    Public schools have shedloads of fees, and produce pompous [email protected] like TSE!

    (only kidding about the [email protected] bit :lol: )
    Typical from supporters of grammar schools, no facts, just insults.
    Grammars, Free at the point of use? Yes!
    Public schools, Shedloads of fees? Yes!
    TSE = Pompous C**t? Yes!

    See? Three incontrovertible FACTS
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,372
    Speedy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    That's the end of that then...

    Indeed.

    The Liberal fightback narrative lasted as long as the Battle of the Bulge.

    Populism is still marching.
    Are we expecting an Italian banking collapse in the morning?
  • RobD said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
    Nope, he's done with politics.

    He might do a Lord Home, and be Foreign Secretary when George Osborne becomes PM.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Dixie said:

    Hollands and Renzi resigning in same week. Democrats lost a month ago. Left going backwards. Superb.

    I don't call them Left, by normal standards they are as left as Nick Clegg.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited December 2016
    With Renzi, a Merkel puppet gone, will there now be an Italexit?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    DavidL said:

    Italian Banks are going to take a bath tomorrow morning. There will be a great strain on the whole Euro system.

    They are already down 95% even before the referendum.
  • RobD said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
    Nope, he's done with politics.

    He might do a Lord Home, and be Foreign Secretary when George Osborne becomes PM.
    Isn't 70 a bit old for Foreign Secretary?

    Though with increasing retirement age, possibly not.....
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    Italian Banks are going to take a bath tomorrow morning. There will be a great strain on the whole Euro system.

    They are already down 95% even before the referendum.
    If they require a bailout, can Italy even sustain that level of sovereign debt?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,942
    The USA should take note:

    Elettori 46.720.943

    We'll be able to calculate turnout in this one !
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,372
    edited December 2016
    MikeK said:

    With Renzi, a Merkel puppet gone, will there now be an Italexit?

    Harder for them to do an Italexit because they are tied up with the Euro?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 79,096

    RobD said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
    Nope, he's done with politics.

    He might do a Lord Home, and be Foreign Secretary when George Osborne becomes PM.
    It would be a shame for young pms to be done with public service when they'll be around so long. I believe the governor of California was both the youngest in 100 years and the oldest, such was the gaps in his terms.
  • Dixie said:

    Hollands and Renzi resigning in same week. Democrats lost a month ago. Left going backwards. Superb.


    But! But! But!

    The President of Austria.......

    (See the Grauniad Front Page....)
  • MikeK said:

    With Renzi, a Merkel puppet gone, will there now be an Italexit?

    Merkel's lost Cameron, Hollande and Renzi all in six months
  • RobD said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
    Nope, he's done with politics.

    He might do a Lord Home, and be Foreign Secretary when George Osborne becomes PM.
    Isn't 70 a bit old for Foreign Secretary?

    Though with increasing retirement age, possibly not.....
    Within in the next few years
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Renzi is probably about 15 years younger than the average Italian voter.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 79,096

    RobD said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Dave's enjoying his retirement
    Is he going to go back into politics? I'm sure May would give him a peerage.
    Nope, he's done with politics.

    He might do a Lord Home, and be Foreign Secretary when George Osborne becomes PM.
    Isn't 70 a bit old for Foreign Secretary?

    Though with increasing retirement age, possibly not.....
    If a man, presumably with help, can be a dictator in his 90s, no reasonpeople in their 70s couldn't do tough jobs like that. Truly, Mugabe is an inspiration, I think.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Dixie said:

    Hollands and Renzi resigning in same week. Democrats lost a month ago. Left going backwards. Superb.


    But! But! But!

    The President of Austria.......

    (See the Grauniad Front Page....)
    yes, Adolf Hitler lover only got 47% of vote. rejoice!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MikeK said:

    With Renzi, a Merkel puppet gone, will there now be an Italexit?

    That door is now open, now it's up to the Italians to walk it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 44,457
    edited December 2016
    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    Italian Banks are going to take a bath tomorrow morning. There will be a great strain on the whole Euro system.

    They are already down 95% even before the referendum.
    The Euro has been an unmitigated disaster for Italy, probably more than for any single other country. There are, as Greece found, no easy answers but things cannot go on like this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,075

    MikeK said:

    With Renzi, a Merkel puppet gone, will there now be an Italexit?

    Merkel's lost Cameron, Hollande and Renzi all in six months
    Merkel tacitly campaigned for Sarkozy in the election Hollande won so it's not very accurate to say he was Merkel's man.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 79,096
    kle4 said:

    Say what you like about Dave, but his resignation speech was concise.

    Take note Matteo Renzi

    Perhaps Davide Camerone could be drafted in to take over?
    Wasn't there a small Italian party inspired by cameron?
    The conservatives and reformists, apparently.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Speedy said:

    Dixie said:

    Hollands and Renzi resigning in same week. Democrats lost a month ago. Left going backwards. Superb.

    I don't call them Left, by normal standards they are as left as Nick Clegg.
    depends how righ twing you. I suppose they are the liberal elite. smug!
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Who will be PM if Renzi resigns?

    Berlusconi? :D
    Trumps slightly dodgy uncle? Yeah, why not...
    "slightly".
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    Renzi is probably about 15 years younger than the average Italian voter.

    His only card was that he had young looks to get the youth and female vote.

    Didn't help him this time.
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