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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » In today’s unique national primary French Republicans are voting on who’ll be the one to take on Marine Le Pen

There’s a unique election taking place in France today with members of the public who declare themselves to be Republican party supporters able to vote in a national primary to decide who’ll be the flag-carrier next April.

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  • FPT: Incidentally the monarchists here seem to have forgotten the flipside of why the Crown Estates were handed to Parliament in exchange for the Civil List. Until that was done the Crown Estates were used by the monarch to pay for the Civil Service, the military and other functions of government.

    If the house of Windsor wants to terminate that arrangement, reclaim the Crown Estates, the costs of the civil service, the national debt and so on then it doesn't seem like taxpayers come out worst in that arrangement.
  • Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Second!
  • GeoffM said:

    Second!

    Sorry Geoff
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    Second!

    Sorry Geoff
    Damn!
    No problem; its an interesting discussion on the Civil List and I felt a little guilty interrupting!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...


    Beat me to it.
  • Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
  • Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited November 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON

    I wonder whether a representative of the KKK will be in Trump's new team? That's in addition to the white supremacist and total dickhead, Chris Bannon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited November 2016

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
    In this context, yes it is.

    Passing the amendment, the French parliament also referred to a 2007 report from the British Gambling Commission that said 9.8% of punters using betting exchanges developed gambling addictions, compared to a rate of between one and three per cent among the general gambling population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/08/betfair-banned-france-gambling-law
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    murali_s said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON

    I wonder whether a representative of the KKK will be in Trump's new team? That's in addition to the white supremacist and total dickhead, Chris Bannon.
    Unlikely, unless he is going to be recruiting Democrats.
    You probably don't know that the last ex-Klansman Senator was a Democrat, do you?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    murali_s said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON

    I wonder whether a representative of the KKK will be in Trump's new team? That's in addition to the white supremacist and total dickhead, Chris Bannon.
    We can but hope.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2016

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
    In this context, yes it.

    Passing the amendment, the French parliament also referred to a 2007 report from the British Gambling Commission that said 9.8% of punters using betting exchanges developed gambling addictions, compared to a rate of between one and three per cent among the general gambling population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/08/betfair-banned-france-gambling-law
    I'm a net positive gambler but I'd be more net positive if it wasn't for sport in play betting. I've sworn off it now and don't touch it. I am clever enough to have never done any spread betting.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    It's still almost impossible for Le Pen to win if she faces a Republican in Round 2. If she faces a Socialist, things are much more interesting.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
    In this context, yes it is.

    Passing the amendment, the French parliament also referred to a 2007 report from the British Gambling Commission that said 9.8% of punters using betting exchanges developed gambling addictions, compared to a rate of between one and three per cent among the general gambling population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/08/betfair-banned-france-gambling-law
    Would it be fair to suggest that some people on this site are gambling addicts? Or does an addict have to lose money?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    GeoffM said:

    murali_s said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON

    I wonder whether a representative of the KKK will be in Trump's new team? That's in addition to the white supremacist and total dickhead, Chris Bannon.
    Unlikely, unless he is going to be recruiting Democrats.
    You probably don't know that the last ex-Klansman Senator was a Democrat, do you?
    Yes, Robert Byrd is a totally obscure American political figure who no one will have heard of. Roll eyes emoticon.
  • tlg86 said:

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
    In this context, yes it is.

    Passing the amendment, the French parliament also referred to a 2007 report from the British Gambling Commission that said 9.8% of punters using betting exchanges developed gambling addictions, compared to a rate of between one and three per cent among the general gambling population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/08/betfair-banned-france-gambling-law
    Would it be fair to suggest that some people on this site are gambling addicts? Or does an addict have to lose money?
    I had this discussion with Mike and Shadsy ages ago, for me, an addict is someone who will bet because they have a need to do so.

    Sometimes the wisest course of action is to say 'no bet'
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179

    I had this discussion with Mike and Shadsy ages ago, for me, an addict is someone who will bet because they have a need to do so.

    Sometimes the wisest course of action is to say 'no bet'

    Perhaps the definition fits David Cameron. He kept needing to up the stakes to get a bigger hit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited November 2016
    It's not just the French that have some sort of ring fenced gambling in EU. Spain, Italy and Portugal also do as well.

    What I have never understood is how such legislation is compatible with free movement of goods and services. Eg pokerstars is EU based and licenced in all the various EU countries but have to run segregated player pools for the likes of France.
  • Still buzzing
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    edited November 2016

    It's not just the French that have some sort of ring fenced gambling in EU. Spain, Italy and Portugal also do as well.

    What I have never understood is how such legislation is compatible with free movement of goods and services.

    It would be interesting to know if there are French gambling websites doing the same thing. If not, I can see justification even if it's not legal under EU law.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited November 2016

    It's not just the French that have some sort of ring fenced gambling in EU. Spain, Italy and Portugal also do as well.

    What I have never understood is how such legislation is compatible with free movement of goods and services.

    It would be interesting to know if there are French gamblong websites doing the same thing. If not, I can see justification even if it's not legal under EU law.
    All online gambling is ring fenced in France, regardless of the company offering.

    With regard poker, it is more messed up. All French can only play in these ring fenced games, but non French citizens from some EU can join the pool (but not all EU citizens eg Brits can't, Irish can).
  • Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    a winning captain?

    Edit: sorry, my mistake. That would be a myth, not a legend
  • Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Alistair said:

    GeoffM said:

    murali_s said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Chris Snyder
    Here's who expected to meet with President-elect Trump today in Bedminster, NJ https://t.co/pExmW6Z9ON

    I wonder whether a representative of the KKK will be in Trump's new team? That's in addition to the white supremacist and total dickhead, Chris Bannon.
    Unlikely, unless he is going to be recruiting Democrats.
    You probably don't know that the last ex-Klansman Senator was a Democrat, do you?
    Yes, Robert Byrd is a totally obscure American political figure who no one will have heard of. Roll eyes emoticon.
    As that's a reasonably mainstream political fact I confess I have no idea from your reply whether you are saying that you knew it or you didn't.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
    Maybe after the comment about his wife being "literally" on fire?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,120
    edited November 2016

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
  • Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
    I got a glare.

    Why would Jamie Redknapp glare at me when I complimented his wife's dance last night by saying to him 'I thought your wife was literally on fire on the dance floor tonight'
  • GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Knowing how OGH likes politics mugs for his thread headers, and with Xmas coming up:

    https://teechip.com/libtears#id=1001&c=000000&sid=beverage-mug
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,120

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    Ohhhhhhhhhhh....
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    Knowing how OGH likes politics mugs for his thread headers, and with Xmas coming up:

    https://teechip.com/libtears#id=1001&c=000000&sid=beverage-mug

    :lol:
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016
    Betfair:
    Juppé 3.9 - 4.2
    Le Pen 3.9 - 4
    François Fillon 2.84 - 2.9

    I tipped Fillon when he was at 5.7 on Friday morning. He's already the favourite, but I'm staying on him, because Juppé and Sarkozy are dead in the water and there probably won't be a big move in Le Pen's price in the next few weeks. When he wins the Republican primary, Fillon will probably come in past 1.5.

    The only problem with this market is how damned small it is. Other than that, it's beautiful!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,514

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    So you know about Ed's future?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
    I got a glare.

    Why would Jamie Redknapp glare at me when I complimented his wife's dance last night by saying to him 'I thought your wife was literally on fire on the dance floor tonight'
    I don't watch it. Was she really literally on fire? It's one way of depilating, I suppose. Unusual in a public place though.
  • Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?

    I thought you'd met Jamie Redknapp :-)

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,120
    Barnesian said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    So you know about Ed's future?
    Yes, he knows...

    And just to say if Ed Balls survives for another week Mother will be holding TSE personally responsible!
  • Barnesian said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    So you know about Ed's future?
    I do.

    I'm not posting spoilers on here, but if anyone does want to know, send me a vanilla message.
  • matt said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
    I got a glare.

    Why would Jamie Redknapp glare at me when I complimented his wife's dance last night by saying to him 'I thought your wife was literally on fire on the dance floor tonight'
    I don't watch it. Was she really literally on fire? It's one way of depilating, I suppose. Unusual in a public place though.
    She wasn't on fire. It's a long standing joke about Jamie Redknapp's career as a pundit, he has consistently misused the word literally, this is my favourite when Jamie Redknapp is talking about Michael Owen.

    “He literally turns into a greyhound”

    http://www.parryphernalia.com/?tag=jamie-redknapp
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tlg86 said:

    Why are people in France unable to access Britain's betting sites? So much for a Single Market ...

    IIRC it is the exchanges like Betfair and spread betting the French aren't allowed to bet with.

    The French cited a British report that found that 10% of people that bet via the spreads/exchanges develop gambling problems for their ban,
    I would have thought a proportion of all gamblers develop gambling problems. Is 10% that extraordinary?
    In this context, yes it is.

    Passing the amendment, the French parliament also referred to a 2007 report from the British Gambling Commission that said 9.8% of punters using betting exchanges developed gambling addictions, compared to a rate of between one and three per cent among the general gambling population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/oct/08/betfair-banned-france-gambling-law
    Would it be fair to suggest that some people on this site are gambling addicts? Or does an addict have to lose money?
    I had this discussion with Mike and Shadsy ages ago, for me, an addict is someone who will bet because they have a need to do so.

    Sometimes the wisest course of action is to say 'no bet'
    From a medical perspective an addict would be someone where the activity adversely affected their physical, psychological or social health (ie the physical or psychological health of family, workplace etc)
  • GIN1138 said:

    Barnesian said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    So you know about Ed's future?
    Yes, he knows...

    And just to say if Ed Balls survives for another week Mother will be holding TSE personally responsible!
    I didn't vote last night. I had to hand over my mobile before the show, and didn't get it back until well after filming.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,120

    GIN1138 said:

    Barnesian said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    So you know about Ed's future?
    Yes, he knows...

    And just to say if Ed Balls survives for another week Mother will be holding TSE personally responsible!
    I didn't vote last night. I had to hand over my mobile before the show, and didn't get it back until well after filming.
    Hmmmmm....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    edited November 2016
    Dromedary said:

    Betfair:
    Juppé 3.9 - 4.2
    Le Pen 3.9 - 4
    François Fillon 2.84 - 2.9

    I tipped Fillon when he was at 5.7 on Friday morning. He's already the favourite, but I'm staying on him, because Juppé and Sarkozy are dead in the water and there probably won't be a big move in Le Pen's price in the next few weeks. When he wins the Republican primary, Fillon will probably come in past 1.5.

    The only problem with this market is how damned small it is. Other than that, it's beautiful!

    This is round one of the primary.

    There has been early voting, which will have held Juppe (big early lead) and Sarkozy (more enthused supporters) over Fillon.

    If Sarkozy does not win the first round of the primary, it's all over for him. The polls are very clear: Juppe supporters go to Fillon; Fillon supporters go for Juppe.

    If it's Juppe vs Fillon, then unless Juppe has a big lead in the first round, I'd expect it to go to Fillon.

    So, I either reckon from here it's probably 45% Fillon (with his risk being that he ends up a very close third), 35% Juppe, and 20% Sarkozy (who really has to win the first round by ten percentage points to avoid getting beaten in the second round).
  • So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    It's not a contradiction when you look at the figures. Hollande is very very unpopular, so does badly against Le Pen. But that's also the reason why he will never face Le Pen.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    Sean_F said:

    It's still almost impossible for Le Pen to win if she faces a Republican in Round 2. If she faces a Socialist, things are much more interesting.

    And if she faces Melechon, which is entirely possible, she's likely to win at a canter.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    Betfair:
    Juppé 3.9 - 4.2
    Le Pen 3.9 - 4
    François Fillon 2.84 - 2.9

    I tipped Fillon when he was at 5.7 on Friday morning. He's already the favourite, but I'm staying on him, because Juppé and Sarkozy are dead in the water and there probably won't be a big move in Le Pen's price in the next few weeks. When he wins the Republican primary, Fillon will probably come in past 1.5.

    The only problem with this market is how damned small it is. Other than that, it's beautiful!

    This is round one of the primary.

    There has been early voting, which will have held Juppe (big early lead) and Sarkozy (more enthused supporters) over Fillon.

    If Sarkozy does not win the first round of the primary, it's all over for him. The polls are very clear: Juppe supporters go to Fillon; Fillon supporters go for Juppe.

    If it's Juppe vs Fillon, then unless Juppe has a big lead in the first round, I'd expect it to go to Fillon.

    So, I either reckon from here it's probably 45% Fillon (with his risk being that he ends up a very close third), 35% Juppe, and 20% Sarkozy (who really has to win the first round by ten percentage points to avoid getting beaten in the second round).
    I have stopped digging myself further into a hole on this market.

    But I am happy that If Juppé makes it through, I will still have effective odds of 1.5 which is fair, and Fillon if he makes it through at 1.3ish, which is a little short, but not a disaster.
  • So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    Says that the Socialist and Le Pen are unpopular with non supporters. That's all it says.

    Maybe if the Socialists weren't so dire they could get into the run off and be preferred. As happened last time.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    tlg86 said:

    Would it be fair to suggest that some people on this site are gambling addicts? Or does an addict have to lose money?

    [rant mode on]
    The problem with this site is not that it has gamblers
    The problem with this site is that it doesn't have enough gamblers
    [rant mode off]

    (sorry, it's an open sore...)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    You, not a VIP???
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: this old chestnut has reappeared in the BBC gossip column. Ecclestone's 'eyeing' a two-race format (shorter races). An F1 race is about the length of a football match or film. Those who think it's too long are daft.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37971756
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: this old chestnut has reappeared in the BBC gossip column. Ecclestone's 'eyeing' a two-race format (shorter races). An F1 race is about the length of a football match or film. Those who think it's too long are daft.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37971756

    No more Singapore GP?
  • GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    You, not a VIP???
    I'm a Tory at a BBC event, I'm amazed they even let me in.
  • rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters Voters just hate Hollande.
    Corrected that for you
  • Mr. Mark, perhaps. About every three years every race is either at risk or wants to drop out.

    Perhaps Singapore will depart the calendar. It's a place where a lot of business gets done, though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    GIN1138 said:

    Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    Where was you sitting? I thought I might have spotted you sitting around two rows back from Claudia's family wearing a longish white shirt?
    Nope, those floor seats were for VIPs and family.

    I was stuck in the cheap seats on the next floor up.
    You, not a VIP???
    I'm a Tory at a BBC event, I'm amazed they even let me in.
    Maybe if you were still Brian Blessed....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,646
    rcs1000 said:
    Good point. The Big Dumb Government rocket (the Space Launch System) is famously undermissioned (OK, we built it. Er, now what...) and Trump may latch on to the possibilities (to the Moon! Let's capture an asteroid!), funneling funding towards boots and flags instead of the very successful bootstrap private contracts (CCDev et al)
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 319
    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    Interestingly pretty much all the places I'm seeing that are reporting queues or high participation are strongly right, places that voted Sarko in 2012 etc. West Paris, Vendee and up the Loire Valley, Alpes-Côte d'Azur and along to Nimes etc.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Even that's not really true.

    Hollande is 9% in the polls, Le Pen is 30%.

    To go from 9% to 50%, that means Hollande is picking up 41% of the non Le Pen/non Hollande vote, while Le Pen picks up 20%. In other words, he ouperforms her more than 2:1.

    It's just he's starting off on a third of her vote share.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    Hollande is currently polling behind (1) Le Pen, (2) the Les Republicains candidate, (3) Macron, (4) Melenchon, and (5) Bayrou.

    He's sixth. He has about as much chance in facing Le Pen in the second round as I have of dating Emma Watson*.

    * She's not my type.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    BudG said:

    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
    If you think Sarkozy will win tonight, that's quite a good trading bet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Even that's not really true.

    Hollande is 9% in the polls, Le Pen is 30%.

    To go from 9% to 50%, that means Hollande is picking up 41% of the non Le Pen/non Hollande vote, while Le Pen picks up 20%. In other words, he ouperforms her more than 2:1.

    It's just he's starting off on a third of her vote share.
    Le Pen would win in a race vs Hollande. I don't think it would even be very close. He won't make the run off though.
  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    and might have the same outcome. Which would NOT be a good thing.

    Slightly o/t but still related, I never thought I would see the day when it would be necessary for a leading Jew in the US to say he would self declare as a Muslim out of solidarity because a president was bringing in compulsory registration of Muslims. What a messed up world. A lot of things have died in 2016. One of them has to be Godwin's law. You have to be able to compare people to Nazis if they are actually behaving like Nazis.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    MrsB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    and might have the same outcome. Which would NOT be a good thing.

    Slightly o/t but still related, I never thought I would see the day when it would be necessary for a leading Jew in the US to say he would self declare as a Muslim out of solidarity because a president was bringing in compulsory registration of Muslims. What a messed up world. A lot of things have died in 2016. One of them has to be Godwin's law. You have to be able to compare people to Nazis if they are actually behaving like Nazis.
    Another woman losing to an annoying loudmouth, huh?
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    Yes it would, but Hollande is hardly likely to get into the second round in May.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
    If you think Sarkozy will win tonight, that's quite a good trading bet.
    Think it's probably a good trading bet whoever wins tonight.
  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    rcs1000 said:

    MrsB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    and might have the same outcome. Which would NOT be a good thing.

    Slightly o/t but still related, I never thought I would see the day when it would be necessary for a leading Jew in the US to say he would self declare as a Muslim out of solidarity because a president was bringing in compulsory registration of Muslims. What a messed up world. A lot of things have died in 2016. One of them has to be Godwin's law. You have to be able to compare people to Nazis if they are actually behaving like Nazis.
    Another woman losing to an annoying loudmouth, huh?
    no, the mainstream losing to the terrifying
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    BudG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
    If you think Sarkozy will win tonight, that's quite a good trading bet.
    Think it's probably a good trading bet whoever wins tonight.
    Agreed.
  • MrsB, this is the sort of thing that happens when the centre ground of politics loses common ground with the electorate. Cf not doing anything about Rotherham rapes because of 'cultural sensitivities'.

    The mainstream has a duty to recognise and respond to public concerns. There's a risk that the Establishment will close ranks to keep us in the EU, and if that happens I do wonder just what will happen. We're not a step away from the politics of Milo and Clodius, but we're closer than we've been for a long time.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Knowing how OGH likes politics mugs for his thread headers, and with Xmas coming up:

    https://teechip.com/libtears#id=1001&c=000000&sid=beverage-mug

    Lol
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
    If you think Sarkozy will win tonight, that's quite a good trading bet.
    Think it's probably a good trading bet whoever wins tonight.
    Agreed.
    Personally I think he's a good bet to go all the way.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MrsB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrsB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    and might have the same outcome. Which would NOT be a good thing.

    Slightly o/t but still related, I never thought I would see the day when it would be necessary for a leading Jew in the US to say he would self declare as a Muslim out of solidarity because a president was bringing in compulsory registration of Muslims. What a messed up world. A lot of things have died in 2016. One of them has to be Godwin's law. You have to be able to compare people to Nazis if they are actually behaving like Nazis.
    Another woman losing to an annoying loudmouth, huh?
    no, the mainstream losing to the terrifying
    If you have less support than the others then you aren't in the mainstream, you are not in the centre etc.

    The mainstream and the centre are where the public put it.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    FPT - Tony Blair and his ilk are responsible for the UK voting to leave the EU.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    perdix said:

    FPT - Tony Blair and his ilk are responsible for the UK voting to leave the EU.

    You don't think the Conservatives and right wing press blaming every ill on the EU for the last 30 years had any effect?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179

    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.

    No, it's Gerald Kaufman vs Farage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited November 2016
    Today in 1845, Anglo-French forces blockaded the Rio de la Plata, probably the first Anglo-French military operation since the 16th century.
  • Still buzzing

    Did you see my post from this earlier on this morning about how I met a Spurs legend last night?
    did he give you a smack?
    I got a glare.

    Why would Jamie Redknapp glare at me when I complimented his wife's dance last night by saying to him 'I thought your wife was literally on fire on the dance floor tonight'
    Now meeting his dad that would have been impressive.... not least as he was at the Lane!
  • Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows
  • Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows

    I'm officially fearful for West Ham's chances this season :(
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,111
    Very shallow market, but Juppe appears to be tightening again on BF?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    edited November 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    BudG said:

    franklyn said:

    Based on a conversation that I had last week with some French friends, I placed a bet on Emmanuel Macron when he was 20-1.His odds have narrowed since then. The French are totally disillusioned with their politicians

    Currently available on BF at 23/1
    If you think Sarkozy will win tonight, that's quite a good trading bet.
    Think it's probably a good trading bet whoever wins tonight.
    Agreed.
    Personally I think he's a good bet to go all the way.
    Re Macron:

    If Sarkozy is the LR candidate, he has to be at least a one in three chance, as (a) he beats Le Pen 70:30 in the second round, and (b) he's neck and neck with Sarkozy in the first round.

    If Juppe is the candidate, he doesn't have much chance as Bayrou will stand aside and endorse Juppe, pretty much ensuring he is on 25%+ in the first round.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,690
    edited November 2016
    nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    Does this affect the plans to recreate the former British Empire as a trading bloc?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,111
    rcs1000 said:

    nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    Does this affect the plans to recreate the former British Empire as a trading bloc?
    :)
  • nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pukhrayan_train_derailment
  • rcs1000 said:

    nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    Does this affect the plans to recreate the former British Empire as a trading bloc?
    Not necessarily:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2016
    nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    How can India be on the verge of a war when there's an exciting cricket match versus England going on at the moment? I think there needs to be sense of priority here.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2016

    Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows

    I'm officially fearful for West Ham's chances this season :(
    Could be worse. I have backed Leicester for relegation. We are looking woeful. Zieler is hopeless in goal and our only decent midfielder is knackered. We are not going to be attractive to signings in Jan, and Mahrez and Slimani are off to the AFCON.

    The highs and lows of following Citeh!

  • Dr. Foxinsox, better a rollercoaster heartbeat than a plateau.
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