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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060
    MaxPB said:

    I've worked with some BBC technical bods in the past on projects. They're excellent, and have developed great tech. If they get the managerial backing they can do amazing stuff (or if they skunkworks it).

    Like the £100 million digital media project that they had to abandon after trying to reinvent the wheel when they could have just brought a solution of the shelf?
    I didn't say they were perfect. ;)

    Didn't ?Siemens? (or ?Fujitsu?) also have trouble with the same project? It'd be interesting to read up on exactly went wrong - I'm presuming mismanagement rather than hard technical issues.

    But seriously: the BBC tech bods I've worked with have been excellent.
    The problem isn't and has never been the tech teams or even the production teams. It's the dead hand of management that chokes everything creative at the BBC. How does HBO produce world class TV on less than half the annual budget? How does Netflix commission the best global shows? How does Amazon TV end up being able to fund tentpoles like TGT?

    They all run a massively tight ship. The BBC could dump all of their daytime shit and just show repeats of older shows instead and invest the savings in top end drama and documentaries like Netflix.
    Pretty much agree with that. But how much are BBC tied by the charter?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    edited November 2016
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.

    Never trust a female Briton who has married a Frenchman. ;)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:
    The biggest mistake that he did was to allow everybody to vote in his party's primary, it became a mini-GE.
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    MaxPB said:

    I've worked with some BBC technical bods in the past on projects. They're excellent, and have developed great tech. If they get the managerial backing they can do amazing stuff (or if they skunkworks it).

    Like the £100 million digital media project that they had to abandon after trying to reinvent the wheel when they could have just brought a solution of the shelf?
    I didn't say they were perfect. ;)

    Didn't ?Siemens? (or ?Fujitsu?) also have trouble with the same project? It'd be interesting to read up on exactly went wrong - I'm presuming mismanagement rather than hard technical issues.

    But seriously: the BBC tech bods I've worked with have been excellent.
    The problem isn't and has never been the tech teams or even the production teams. It's the dead hand of management that chokes everything creative at the BBC. How does HBO produce world class TV on less than half the annual budget? How does Netflix commission the best global shows? How does Amazon TV end up being able to fund tentpoles like TGT?

    They all run a massively tight ship. The BBC could dump all of their daytime shit and just show repeats of older shows instead and invest the savings in top end drama and documentaries like Netflix.
    In my experience, public sector bodies are quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisations first, and businesses second. And the businesses they tend to emulate are the traditional pyramidal corporations of old.

    A good chunk of any public sector body seems to be just as interested in promoting, or acting as an advocate for, government policy as yet another arm of the civil service.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    Fillon is going to be the next President of France, it's one of those weird things were the primary election is more important than the general.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Well well more shit polling.

    Shy Fillonistas?
    The Left came out in much bigger numbers than the polling showed (basically doubled). Perhaps these are late-deciders who went for Fillon as he was gaining in the polls.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    Don't chase a bad position. I lose money every time I do that.

    He's probably a marginal lay right now, anyway.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Not called Ffion I assume?
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    Will Juppe now do a Leadsom?
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    I'm not punting on this. I'm not convinced I have any edge vs the market.

    I wish I'd learnt french!
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    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    Fillon is going to be the next President of France, it's one of those weird things were the primary election is more important than the general.
    Hmm. I'm not so sure. But glad I piled into Fillon early this morning thanks to a poll that was mentioned here on PB.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    Don't chase a bad position. I lose money every time I do that.

    He's probably a marginal lay right now, anyway.
    I think Filon will go tighter yet.
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    Will Juppe now do a Leadsom?

    What a good idea. As I'm red on him.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116

    Will Juppe now do a Leadsom?

    He's not a mother, surely?
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    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.
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    Will Juppe now do a Leadsom?

    You mean give a crap, insensitive interview, then deny saying something outrageous for a couple of days?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well Juppe isn't going to win the run off, so surely its Fillon vs Le Pen now ?

    £200 on Filon at 1.66 to try and rescue the position :/ !

    Don't chase a bad position. I lose money every time I do that.

    He's probably a marginal lay right now, anyway.
    I think Filon will go tighter yet.
    I think you're right, but I'm not backing him at this price.

    Not until I see some new polling.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.

    I'm sure some Remainers will have some tale of woe re: Fillon up their sleeves....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Transfers would have to break more than 5-1 for Juppe, can't see it myself.
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    https://twitter.com/gillesverdez/status/800430842636107777

    Another polling failure. What does that say about the polling for the big one?

    Only speak schoolboy French, had to check naufrage; it's a cracker, much better than the English.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Sarkozy was a crap president

    It remains to be seen if Fillon has a plan for France
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.

    I'm sure some Remainers will have some tale of woe re: Fillon up their sleeves....
    No, it's good news if a sympathetic French President is willing to give us breathing space to rethink. :)
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    MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,205

    tlg86 said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you have bets on anyone other than Murray being SPOTY, I rather suspect that you have lost your money.

    Some of us went large on muzza at better than evens...
    I'm still counting the BBC going all PC and doing all they can to get Laura over the line.
    I'm on team Laura.
    Trouble with Murray is he's won twice already. Really, despite the Davis Cup win, I thought he shouldn't have won last year, when he'd actually had a disappointing season. Jess ennis deserved to win a Spoty for career achievement and all round good eggness and coming back from childbirth to win the Worlds was a great achievement. Still I think she's a knocking ew bet this time although she won't win.

    If Lil Laura is in contention, I'm not sure why Jason Kenny isn't. He doesn't pursue it maybe.

    Still think Brownlee could win - career achievement and good sportsmanship - and he's approaching value now.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Alain Juppe = Jeb Bush.
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    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Alain Juppe = Jeb Bush.

    Well Jeb has never gone to jail.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Not called Ffion I assume?
    Penelope
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    So this primary is lot like AV isn't it?

    Bottom candidate gets eliminated, until there are but, and the one that gets over 50% wins.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.

    I'm sure some Remainers will have some tale of woe re: Fillon up their sleeves....
    No, it's good news if a sympathetic French President is willing to give us breathing space to rethink. :)
    he's irrelevant, the only thing that matters is Merkel is standing again

    France will what it's told
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    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    Let's bloody hope so.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    Sarkozy was a crap president

    It remains to be seen if Fillon has a plan for France

    He's described himself as Thatcher's biggest fan.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    So this primary is lot like AV isn't it?

    Bottom candidate gets eliminated, until there are but, and the one that gets over 50% wins.

    Well Sarkozy has declared himself out, so that is ~ 21% of the vote going spare. Filon only needs another 7 odd %.
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    Speedy said:

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
    But he has French domestic politics to contend with.

    It's a small positive, but not a decisive one.
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    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
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    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alain Juppe = Jeb Bush.

    Well Jeb has never gone to jail.
    Alain "batterie faible" Juppe?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I still say that Fillon will be swallowed by Marine Le Pen in the GE but we shall see.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    She wants to break Kohl's record of 16 years, the only one who could have stopped her, due to the collapse of social democracy, was the CSU.

    In theory as long as the CDU/CSU/SPD/FDP get 50%+ she can remain Chancellor for life, a bit like the Presidents of the Stans (Kazakstan, Uzbekistan ect).
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
    Sickening!
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    So Sarkozy for Strictly next year?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    So this primary is lot like AV isn't it?

    Bottom candidate gets eliminated, until there are but, and the one that gets over 50% wins.

    What's better than one FPTP election? Two FPTP elections! :D

    Oh, my coat?
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    I've just realised this Martin bloke on I'm a celebrity is Alan partridge
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
    Sickening!
    Just think if were like the Germans, in 2010 we would have had a grand coalition of Labour and the Tories.
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    I've just realised this Martin bloke on I'm a celebrity is Alan partridge

    No, no, no. *I'm* Dr Martin Harris!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    12 was enough for Hitler, though as I recall he did not go quietly.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
    But he has French domestic politics to contend with.

    It's a small positive, but not a decisive one.
    In France the President is King (because since the reform of 2002 they always win a majority in Parliament too).
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    So this primary is lot like AV isn't it?

    Bottom candidate gets eliminated, until there are but, and the one that gets over 50% wins.

    I fear you're in Public School Tw@t mode!

    Only one vote cast per round, NOT like AV!
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    MikeK said:

    I still say that Fillon will be swallowed by Marine Le Pen in the GE but we shall see.

    Sadly, I think you may be right. I'm betting accordingly. Green on a run-off between LePen and Fillon.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,796
    Sandpit said:
    Not that I care that much, but I haven't the slightest idea what Labour stand for if they're ejecting Benn.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
    But he has French domestic politics to contend with.

    It's a small positive, but not a decisive one.
    In France the President is King (because since the reform of 2002 they always win a majority in Parliament too).
    What happened in 2002?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
    Sickening!
    Just think if were like the Germans, in 2010 we would have had a grand coalition of Labour and the Tories.
    Hurray for FPTP.

    I couldn't imagine a worse outcome than a Brown-Osborne coalition government.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    Britain seems to be lucky again, Fillon has a Welsh wife and is an anglophile.

    Brexit negotiations might become even easier.

    These past 2 weeks with Trump and Fillon have been very good for the british international position.

    Is his wife an Anglophile or a celtophile though?
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    If his wife is Welsh, and he's French, then that means they must really hate the England rugby team.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
    But he has French domestic politics to contend with.

    It's a small positive, but not a decisive one.
    In France the President is King (because since the reform of 2002 they always win a majority in Parliament too).
    What happened in 2002?
    They changed it from a 7 year term to a 5 year term to coincide with the French Parliamentary elections, so effectively the person who wins the Presidency also wins Parliament and has absolute power.

    Before that you had the strong possibility the post of President and PM go to different parties because the elections were held at different years.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060

    I've worked with some BBC technical bods in the past on projects. They're excellent, and have developed great tech. If they get the managerial backing they can do amazing stuff (or if they skunkworks it).

    Like the £100 million digital media project that they had to abandon after trying to reinvent the wheel when they could have just brought a solution of the shelf?
    I didn't say they were perfect. ;)

    Didn't ?Siemens? (or ?Fujitsu?) also have trouble with the same project? It'd be interesting to read up on exactly went wrong - I'm presuming mismanagement rather than hard technical issues.

    But seriously: the BBC tech bods I've worked with have been excellent.
    PM'ed you.
    Replied, with thanks.
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    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
    Sickening!
    Just think if were like the Germans, in 2010 we would have had a grand coalition of Labour and the Tories.
    Hurray for FPTP.

    I couldn't imagine a worse outcome than a Brown-Osborne coalition government.
    Or Osbrowne for short ;)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Fillon has a reputation as a bit of an anglophile, and his wife is Welsh, but I'm not sure that means an awful lot in France.

    Maybe it means France won't be a complete dick to the UK next year after the election, but I'm not holding my breath.

    https://www.fillon2017.fr/2016/06/28/brexit-intervention-assemblee-nationale/

    His Brexit position is for a quick and amicable divorce and to remain friends with Britain.
    But he has French domestic politics to contend with.

    It's a small positive, but not a decisive one.
    In France the President is King (because since the reform of 2002 they always win a majority in Parliament too).
    What happened in 2002?
    They changed it from a 7 year term to a 5 year term to coincide with the French Parliamentary elections, so effectively the person who wins the Presidency also wins Parliament and has absolute power.
    Oh, like in the US? I wonder if they have done any studies into split voting.
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    Huzzah, Hammond is continuity Osborne.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/800454504646934528
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Belatedly, I see Merkel is running again after being Chancellor for 11 years and CDU leader for 16 years.

    Bit like Maggie saying in 1990 she wants to go on until 1994/1995, and being applauded for it.

    Kohl was chancellor for 16 years.. perhaps the Germans like a bit of stability?
    They do, because of past experiences, they hate instability, that's why they'll agree to things like grand coalitions.
    Sickening!
    Just think if were like the Germans, in 2010 we would have had a grand coalition of Labour and the Tories.
    Hurray for FPTP.

    I couldn't imagine a worse outcome than a Brown-Osborne coalition government.
    Or Osbrowne for short ;)
    Oh, that's what that meant.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    New thread!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    rcs1000 said:

    Sarkozy was a crap president

    It remains to be seen if Fillon has a plan for France

    He's described himself as Thatcher's biggest fan.
    I think he has some competition from our very own posters for that one...
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    NEW THREAD

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    MikeK said:

    I still say that Fillon will be swallowed by Marine Le Pen in the GE but we shall see.

    Ooohhhh error
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016

    Huzzah, Hammond is continuity Osborne.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/800454504646934528

    Osborne's last budget was so disastrous it cost him his job and that of his boss.

    Which also means an early election will probably be off because of Hammond messing things up.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,339
    Looks like Mr Fish has sunk to the bottom, almost.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    rcs1000 said:

    Sarkozy was a crap president

    It remains to be seen if Fillon has a plan for France

    He's described himself as Thatcher's biggest fan.
    and wants to stop gay people adopting orphans? or wrong?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    chestnut said:
    Where's St Bob?
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