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    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.

    Sorry, Sandy, but who or what is this "Nick Griffin"? :)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    rcs1000 said:

    nunu said:

    You guys know this is all a side show right? India and Pakistan are on the verge of another war.......

    Does this affect the plans to recreate the former British Empire as a trading bloc?
    Trading block? I thought your side wanted to recreate the Raj, in which case it's probably a positive development.
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    Dr. Prasannan, it's a mythical crime, megafauna theft of a half-eagle, half-lion.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Mortimer said:

    Very shallow market, but Juppe appears to be tightening again on BF?

    Decent turnout, maybe not as much as the polls were predicting but still relatively good. In theory that is good for Juppe, though does depend where exactly is turning out.
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    Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows

    I'm officially fearful for West Ham's chances this season :(
    Could be worse. I have backed Leicester for relegation. We are looking woeful. Zieler is hopeless in goal and our only decent midfielder is knackered. We are not going to be attractive to signings in Jan, and Mahrez and Slimani are off to the AFCON.

    The highs and lows of following Citeh!

    What's the record for winning the league and then getting relegated? Blackburn did it in 4 years.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Dr. Foxinsox, better a rollercoaster heartbeat than a plateau.

    Following Leicester is certainly that. I expected to see us relegated again at some point, just not so soon!

    The odds on a loss to Brugge and Boro are quite good, though as an optomist I have gone draw no bet on them.

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    Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows

    I'm officially fearful for West Ham's chances this season :(
    Could be worse. I have backed Leicester for relegation. We are looking woeful. Zieler is hopeless in goal and our only decent midfielder is knackered. We are not going to be attractive to signings in Jan, and Mahrez and Slimani are off to the AFCON.

    The highs and lows of following Citeh!

    What's the record for winning the league and then getting relegated? Blackburn did it in 4 years.
    Without checking, the Marseille must be close to holding that title. One year from winning the title to relegation.

    Though that was due to a bribery scandal.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,536
    On topic -

    I think France is ripe for a revolt against the establishment. However, that revolt will not be Le Pen. Apart from the Far-Right stuff, she and her party are just another part of the establishment. Though the establishment tries to to pretend (as does she) that this is not so.

    She cannot win unless an utter, utter hopeless fool makes it to the last round with her.

    A genuine surprise candidate could easily pop up, though.

    Interesting thought : Obama was the rebellion candidate once - stormed the heights of the Democratic party to take the crown from Hillary.... As was Bill Clinton, back in his day (to a certain extent). Note that both candidates got there by *talking* about those left behind...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited November 2016
    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited November 2016

    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.

    Sorry, Sandy, but who or what is this "Nick Griffin"? :)
    Nick Griffin is a virulent racist, and coincidentally a strong supporter of Leave
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is very good indeed. Top Gear was overdue a revamp.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    Anyone who wants to buy me one of those 4K Amazon sticks for Christmas is more than welcome, and a year of fibre of course
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    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.

    Sorry, Sandy, but who or what is this "Nick Griffin"? :)
    Nick Griffin is a virulent racist, and coincidentally a strong supporter of Leave
    Never heard of him!
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    Can a boro player please wind up Costa asap... he is on 4 yellows

    I'm officially fearful for West Ham's chances this season :(
    Could be worse. I have backed Leicester for relegation. We are looking woeful. Zieler is hopeless in goal and our only decent midfielder is knackered. We are not going to be attractive to signings in Jan, and Mahrez and Slimani are off to the AFCON.

    The highs and lows of following Citeh!

    What's the record for winning the league and then getting relegated? Blackburn did it in 4 years.
    Without checking, the Marseille must be close to holding that title. One year from winning the title to relegation.

    Though that was due to a bribery scandal.
    Man City achieved this by being relegated after winning the top flight in the 1930's I believe
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Freggles said:

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    Anyone who wants to buy me one of those 4K Amazon sticks for Christmas is more than welcome, and a year of fibre of course
    fIbre?? i'll be dead before it gets to my lane
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    Hollande is currently polling behind (1) Le Pen, (2) the Les Republicains candidate, (3) Macron, (4) Melenchon, and (5) Bayrou.

    He's sixth. He has about as much chance in facing Le Pen in the second round as I have of dating Emma Watson*.

    * She's not my type.
    You mean you don't like self-righteous lefties?
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    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    Hollande is currently polling behind (1) Le Pen, (2) the Les Republicains candidate, (3) Macron, (4) Melenchon, and (5) Bayrou.

    He's sixth. He has about as much chance in facing Le Pen in the second round as I have of dating Emma Watson*.

    * She's not my type.
    You mean you don't like self-righteous lefties?
    Is Emma Watson left-wing? I've not paid much attention but a quick check of Twitter finds a lot of stuff on feminism, but the Prime Minister might agree with most of that.
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    Freggles said:

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    Anyone who wants to buy me one of those 4K Amazon sticks for Christmas is more than welcome, and a year of fibre of course
    fIbre?? i'll be dead before it gets to my lane
    Fibre? Roughage is more up my street :lol:
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    Hollande is currently polling behind (1) Le Pen, (2) the Les Republicains candidate, (3) Macron, (4) Melenchon, and (5) Bayrou.

    He's sixth. He has about as much chance in facing Le Pen in the second round as I have of dating Emma Watson*.

    * She's not my type.
    You mean you don't like self-righteous lefties?
    Is Emma Watson left-wing? I've not paid much attention but a quick check of Twitter finds a lot of stuff on feminism, but the Prime Minister might agree with most of that.
    Standard sleb stuff. Not particularly deep, but even more irritating for that. I don't really care what position people adopt so long as it is internally consistent and derived from first principles.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    This ATP final certainly living up to its billing so far.

    And win or lose, how nice to see Djokovic hold his hand up for that fluke on the net. What a gentleman.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/800411699832619009
    Good for Juppé or Fillon, bad for the dwarf.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    Timescales for the counting, anyone?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/800411699832619009
    Good for Juppé or Fillon, bad for the dwarf.

    I'm not sure we can draw too many conclusions just yet...
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    British Tennis superhero Andy Murray wins first set against Djokovic 6-3!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    British Tennis superhero Andy Murray wins first set against Djokovic 6-3!

    But the Scottish alter ego has just missed three break points :wink:
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    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    First numbers are beginning to filter through from individual French provinces, confirm Juppe and Fillon on c. 30% apiece, and Sarkozy in the low to mid 20s.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    Perhaps and judging by another tweet it looks like a small sample; but if it's true then it's a significantly higher Left vote and lower Centre-Right than polling was showing.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    But the Briton surges back to break through!

    What a match!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2016

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    as far as I can tell, the 'ebola drome' is on the Science Museum site at Wroughton.

    what did you think of -

    a) "The American"

    b) some of the US vs UK comedic lines seeming a bit labored, mainly the 'stick', bonnet and RAF
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    Hollande v Le Pen = Corbyn v Nick Griffin

    I would like to think under those circumstances British voters would opt for Jezza.

    Sorry, Sandy, but who or what is this "Nick Griffin"? :)
    Nick Griffin is a virulent racist, and coincidentally a strong supporter of Leave
    And? Plenty of nasties have allied themselves with both sides. I see Blair is aligning himself as the de facto leader of Team Remain. How unpalatable is that.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,776
    ydoethur said:

    This ATP final certainly living up to its billing so far.

    And win or lose, how nice to see Djokovic hold his hand up for that fluke on the net. What a gentleman.

    I'm with Fighting Talk's Greg Brady; why would you apologise for net cords ?
    "You're not sorry ! "
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    Perhaps, and juging by another tweet it looks like a small sample; if it's true then it's a significantly higher Left vote and lower Centre-Right than polling was showing.

    If the Odexa numbers are true, and it's a respected polling company, then it's Fillon vs Juppe next week. You have to reckon Fillon is the favourite here.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I think that part of the problem is that a lot of the time with 'lefty' celebrities they're not saying what they think, but what they think will sound good to their chosen demographic at the next party. Therefore, they sometimes give the impression of being incoherent.

    Meanwhile, Pence's views (for example) may be repellent but are hardly incoherent. They clearly are his views, and he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him apart apparently from the cast of Hamilton.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    So IF the polls are correct Fillon will be the next French President.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    rcs1000 said:

    Perhaps, and juging by another tweet it looks like a small sample; if it's true then it's a significantly higher Left vote and lower Centre-Right than polling was showing.

    If the Odexa numbers are true, and it's a respected polling company, then it's Fillon vs Juppe next week. You have to reckon Fillon is the favourite here.
    He gets more Sarko switchers, presumably?
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    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    Oh, I think several them are happy to (pishpoorly) defend those views.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    This ATP final certainly living up to its billing so far.

    And win or lose, how nice to see Djokovic hold his hand up for that fluke on the net. What a gentleman.

    I'm with Fighting Talk's Greg Brady; why would you apologise for net cords ?
    "You're not sorry ! "
    Because he thinks he can win without benefit of luck? Or wants to, at least? Or perhaps because he and the man leading 1-0 and 2-0 is an old friend and he genuinely felt a bit guilty about it?
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    I did not realise M. Fillon's wife is Welsh. I wonder if her family voted Leave.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited November 2016

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    Oh, I think several them are happy to (pishpoorly) defend those views.
    Just imagine how the avalanche of posts on PB if Jeremy Corbyn had appointed someone with the history of Steve Bannon.

    Corbyn is an anti-Semite ad infinitum
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    I did not realise M. Fillon's wife is Welsh. I wonder if her family voted Leave.

    Balance of probabilities is in favour, given where she's from.

    I did my teaching training round there and there was lots of unhappiness at the closure of a local steelworks. People (wrongly, as it happens) blamed Europe and Westminster for it.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Perhaps, and juging by another tweet it looks like a small sample; if it's true then it's a significantly higher Left vote and lower Centre-Right than polling was showing.

    If the Odexa numbers are true, and it's a respected polling company, then it's Fillon vs Juppe next week. You have to reckon Fillon is the favourite here.
    He gets more Sarko switchers, presumably?
    Yes, albeit the gap is relatively small. Thursday's poll, which had 31% Juppe, 30% Fillon, 28% Sarkozy for the first round, had 50/50 for the second. Fillon is outperforming, so I'd expect him to win 53-47 or so. Still, while he's definitely favourite, it's by no means a cert.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I've been winding up lefties I know by saying that the worst thing about Trump is that he wants to cut taxes and increase public spending. For some reason, my friends don't agree. :)
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    ydoethur said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I think that part of the problem is that a lot of the time with 'lefty' celebrities they're not saying what they think, but what they think will sound good to their chosen demographic at the next party. Therefore, they sometimes give the impression of being incoherent.

    Meanwhile, Pence's views (for example) may be repellent but are hardly incoherent. They clearly are his views, and he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him apart apparently from the cast of Hamilton.

    Not sure about that. Plenty of tight wingers on here, on Guido and elsewhere have - quite rightly - called out Corbyn over anti-semitism. But on the white supremacists who surround Trump there has been silence.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited November 2016
    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    rcs1000 said:

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/800411699832619009
    Good for Juppé or Fillon, bad for the dwarf.

    I'm not sure we can draw too many conclusions just yet...
    yeah don't go to bed yet....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Don't throw away those Sarkozy betslips yet...

    https://twitter.com/epiciermilitant/status/800412108508790784
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    rcs1000 said:
    Maybe they won't need a second round.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    ydoethur said:

    I did not realise M. Fillon's wife is Welsh. I wonder if her family voted Leave.

    Balance of probabilities is in favour, given where she's from.

    I did my teaching training round there and there was lots of unhappiness at the closure of a local steelworks. People (wrongly, as it happens) blamed Europe and Westminster for it.
    She's from Abergavenny. Monmouthshire voted v v narrowly Remain.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,776

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I'm more impressed that the US appears to have elected a giant orange snowflake, calling for 'safe spaces' for right wing politicians in the theatre...
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    Someone just sent me this:

    https://twitter.com/ProvokeTrump/status/800409952405721088
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    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    Oh, I think several them are happy to (pishpoorly) defend those views.

    Clearly there are some posters on here who positively enjoy and sympathise with the white supremacist racebaiters, but I don't think most do. Yet as far as I can tell only MaxPB has unequivocally condemned Trump's embrace of racism (apologies to others who have). The silence of others is baffling and, quite frankly, rather shameful.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
    Ironically it was down to that well known gay icon, Margaret Thatcher, who decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Those backward Celts needed civilising by us Tories.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Perhaps, and juging by another tweet it looks like a small sample; if it's true then it's a significantly higher Left vote and lower Centre-Right than polling was showing.

    If the Odexa numbers are true, and it's a respected polling company, then it's Fillon vs Juppe next week. You have to reckon Fillon is the favourite here.
    He gets more Sarko switchers, presumably?
    Yes, albeit the gap is relatively small. Thursday's poll, which had 31% Juppe, 30% Fillon, 28% Sarkozy for the first round, had 50/50 for the second. Fillon is outperforming, so I'd expect him to win 53-47 or so. Still, while he's definitely favourite, it's by no means a cert.
    Thanks. My French political knowledge is pretty much confined to the odd discussion on hols. Everyone laughed at the idea of Sarko or Hollande getting anywhere near the presidency.... Which is little help for the betting.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,536
    ydoethur said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I think that part of the problem is that a lot of the time with 'lefty' celebrities they're not saying what they think, but what they think will sound good to their chosen demographic at the next party. Therefore, they sometimes give the impression of being incoherent.

    Meanwhile, Pence's views (for example) may be repellent but are hardly incoherent. They clearly are his views, and he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him apart apparently from the cast of Hamilton.
    Yes. It is often... interesting... where celebritie.... er.... start thinking (if you can call it that) ... about such things and fall off the map. Glen Hoddle comes to mind. Essentially I have very little trust in the liberalism of the rote learning form.

    Pence doesn't seem to care about what the cast of Hamilton thinks of him, incidentally. That was Trump. The people whose opinion he cares about are on the (very) right wing of the Republican party.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    ydoethur said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I think that part of the problem is that a lot of the time with 'lefty' celebrities they're not saying what they think, but what they think will sound good to their chosen demographic at the next party. Therefore, they sometimes give the impression of being incoherent.

    Meanwhile, Pence's views (for example) may be repellent but are hardly incoherent. They clearly are his views, and he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him apart apparently from the cast of Hamilton.

    Not sure about that. Plenty of tight wingers on here, on Guido and elsewhere have - quite rightly - called out Corbyn over anti-semitism. But on the white supremacists who surround Trump there has been silence.

    That wasn't my point. But in view of that quite brilliant typo (at least, I presume it was, and not a comment on SeanT!) I'll just savour the moment and let it go!

    Another fantastic game from Murray. On the brink of No.1 status, and what a way to do it if he manages it.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,536

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
    Ironically it was down to that well known gay icon, Margaret Thatcher, who decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Those backward Celts needed civilising by us Tories.
    That's a wrongfact.
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    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
    Ironically it was down to that well known gay icon, Margaret Thatcher, who decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Those backward Celts needed civilising by us Tories.
    That's a wrongfact.
    Which bit is wrong?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    Oh, I think several them are happy to (pishpoorly) defend those views.

    Clearly there are some posters on here who positively enjoy and sympathise with the white supremacist racebaiters, but I don't think most do. Yet as far as I can tell only MaxPB has unequivocally condemned Trump's embrace of racism (apologies to others who have). The silence of others is baffling and, quite frankly, rather shameful.

    Oh for pete's sake, you're still on this?

    We're on a betting forum. The need to signal anything here is zero.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    ydoethur said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I think that part of the problem is that a lot of the time with 'lefty' celebrities they're not saying what they think, but what they think will sound good to their chosen demographic at the next party. Therefore, they sometimes give the impression of being incoherent.

    Meanwhile, Pence's views (for example) may be repellent but are hardly incoherent. They clearly are his views, and he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him apart apparently from the cast of Hamilton.
    Yes. It is often... interesting... where celebritie.... er.... start thinking (if you can call it that) ... about such things and fall off the map. Glen Hoddle comes to mind. Essentially I have very little trust in the liberalism of the rote learning form.

    Pence doesn't seem to care about what the cast of Hamilton thinks of him, incidentally. That was Trump. The people whose opinion he cares about are on the (very) right wing of the Republican party.
    Favourite anecdote on the subject;

    Bono is giving a concert. He pauses, goes to the front and starts clapping his hands.

    'Every time I clap my hands,' he intones, 'a child in Africa dies.'

    And a member of the audience shouts immediately;

    'Well stop fooking clapping then!'
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    edited November 2016
    Murray really doing well here. Two holds away from surely the second biggest win of his career.

    Edit - and barely have I typed that before he is break point down and puts a volley long. Oops.
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    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,936
    edited November 2016

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    It's pronounced exactly how you'd like it to be!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    NCPolitics Europe ‏@NCPoliticsEU 1h1 hour ago

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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited November 2016
    deleted.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    More to the point, can we use his name as the new nickname for another Juncker?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2016

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Exactly how you think. What's his first name?

    Apparently he's a left winger - S.O. will be pleased :smile:
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    Sandpit said:
    Nope, there were few muppets out there climaxing whenever their favourite was on.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,536
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:


    :

    :
    Yes. It is often... interesting... where celebritie.... er.... start thinking (if you can call it that) ... about such things and fall off the map. Glen Hoddle comes to mind. Essentially I have very little trust in the liberalism of the rote learning form.

    Pence doesn't seem to care about what the cast of Hamilton thinks of him, incidentally. That was Trump. The people whose opinion he cares about are on the (very) right wing of the Republican party.
    Favourite anecdote on the subject;

    Bono is giving a concert. He pauses, goes to the front and starts clapping his hands.

    'Every time I clap my hands,' he intones, 'a child in Africa dies.'

    And a member of the audience shouts immediately;

    'Well stop fooking clapping then!'

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
    Ironically it was down to that well known gay icon, Margaret Thatcher, who decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Those backward Celts needed civilising by us Tories.
    That's a wrongfact.
    Which bit is wrong?
    No, the fact that Margaret Thatcher actually decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland is true (I seem to recall).

    However, saying it is a wrongfact - a fact that insults or upsets a minority. I was actually told that at a sensitivity seminar thing via work a long while back - with reference to this issue. The word "wrongfact" was actually used...

    6 hours of my life that was filled with a carnival of comedy of the richest kind. If I had 0.01% of the talent of Monty Python.. what I could have done with that....
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    ED BALLS THROUGH
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:


    :

    :
    Yes. It is often... interesting... where celebritie.... er.... start thinking (if you can call it that) ... about such things and fall off the map. Glen Hoddle comes to mind. Essentially I have very little trust in the liberalism of the rote learning form.

    Pence doesn't seem to care about what the cast of Hamilton thinks of him, incidentally. That was Trump. The people whose opinion he cares about are on the (very) right wing of the Republican party.
    Favourite anecdote on the subject;

    Bono is giving a concert. He pauses, goes to the front and starts clapping his hands.

    'Every time I clap my hands,' he intones, 'a child in Africa dies.'

    And a member of the audience shouts immediately;

    'Well stop fooking clapping then!'

    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    De jure, but not de facto perhaps?
    Ironically it was down to that well known gay icon, Margaret Thatcher, who decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Those backward Celts needed civilising by us Tories.
    That's a wrongfact.
    Which bit is wrong?
    No, the fact that Margaret Thatcher actually decriminalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland is true (I seem to recall).

    However, saying it is a wrongfact - a fact that insults or upsets a minority. I was actually told that at a sensitivity seminar thing via work a long while back - with reference to this issue. The word "wrongfact" was actually used...

    6 hours of my life that was filled with a carnival of comedy of the richest kind. If I had 0.01% of the talent of Monty Python.. what I could have done with that....
    Ah yes.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    ED BALLS THROUGH

    Are you saying Balls has penetrated, TSE?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    ED BALLS THROUGH

    an underpants failure?
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    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

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    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
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    Juppe now approaching crossover with Le Pen.

    I was about to say he might be value, and then I caught up with Robert's tweet of the poll count.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    First glitter balls, now flaming balls? :D
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    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

    A few years ago in America, I met an American family with the surname Wanker.

    They had no idea, I told them to come to the UK....
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

    I know a chap called Dick Koch (rhymes with sock).
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

    If you want a really unfortunate name:
    http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/we-all-feel-like-that-now-and-then.html
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    perdix said:

    FPT - Tony Blair and his ilk are responsible for the UK voting to leave the EU.

    In Tim Shipman's excellent definitive new book on Brexit, he argues that Tony Blair is the Godfather of Brexit.

    Letting rip on immigration in 2004 was one factor, but, if he'd allowed a vote on the Lisbon Treaty, we'd have likely voted "no", and the EU and our relationship with it would have taken a different direction.

    And we'd never be where we are now.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,902

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
    Verdict here was not as good as Top Gear in its prime, but better than the Evans effort.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2016

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    The Scottish attitude to homosexuality went through a spectacularly rapid change. When the age of consent was lowered to 18 across mainland UK in 1994 the Scottish police forces said they were going to treat it as 16.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    ED BALLS THROUGH

    Zut alors!
    and who came second Fillon?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2016

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

    A few years ago in America, I met an American family with the surname Wanker.

    They had no idea, I told them to come to the UK....
    Wankers are hardly new, so let's give them a big hand (sorry).....

    https://www.houseofnames.com/wanker-family-crest
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hoo-ankar.
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    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    So in France, Socialists would prefer a Republican to Le Pen, but Republicans would prefer Le Pen to a Socialist. Says it all.

    I don't think that's true at all. Les Republicans supporters just hate Hollande.
    ....and would prefer a Fascist to Hollande.
    Hollande vs Le Pen would be the same as Hillary vs Donald. Shit vs shit.
    I do wonder who'd win in a George Osborne/Francois Hollande run-off.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
    Saving it for my new 4K TV. Delivery in 5 weeks!
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    Jonathan said:

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
    Verdict here was not as good as Top Gear in its prime, but better than the Evans effort.
    It is good enough to give the show staying power, certainly.
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    MaxPB said:

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
    Saving it for my new 4K TV. Delivery in 5 weeks!
    Have you got decent broadband coverage?

    The minimum speed to stream 4k is 25 Mbps.

    Thank god for Infinity 2.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,936
    edited November 2016
    ydoethur said:

    O/T - Paging any Spanish speakers on PB

    I've just found out there's a Spanish football player who plays for Malaga called Juankar.

    So how the hell do I pronounce Juankar?

    Hwan-car - close but no cigar.

    I did meet a bloke called Hank Wank at a conference in the US once. Like Trump he was oblivious to his surname's real meaning.

    If you want a really unfortunate name:
    http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/we-all-feel-like-that-now-and-then.html
    That's very good.

    In 1998 the England football team World Cup song video was censored by the BBC as one of the scenes showed half a dozen German footballers, all with the name Kuntz on the back of their jerseys. ;)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Lions#1998_video
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    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    I love the way that right wingers attack well-off lefty actors for their incoherently expressed beliefs, but stay silent about the views espoused by privileged white supremacists appointed to senior positions by Donald Trump.

    I was reminded today that less than 50 years ago inter-racial marriage illegal in a third of the US states. What is gobsmacking though is that support for interracial marriage only became a majority position in the mid 1990s!
    We're no better in some respects.

    Just to think in parts of the UK homosexuality was illegal a little over thirty years ago.
    The Scottish attitude to homosexuality went through a spectacularly rapid change. When the age of consent was lowered to 18 across mainland UK in 1994 the Scottish police forces said they were going to treat it as 16.
    It usually is. In a little over 20 years the Tory party went from being the party of Section 28 to the party of same sex marriage.
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    MaxPB said:

    Can I just say The Grand Tour is the dog's dangly bits

    In Ultra-HD, it is just wow.

    I want a drive around the Ebola-dome

    It is terrific.
    Saving it for my new 4K TV. Delivery in 5 weeks!
    Wow. You really are in the money right now!

    I'm about to order a new Jaguar.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    @sandpit But Kuntz had the last laugh.
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