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I would suspect an euro-enthusiast like Benn would use the position to grind progress on BrExit related matters to as much of a halt as he can, which might not be the smartest thing to do electorally, and might be viewed with severe disfavour in Labour's northern seats.
Hoey might be slightly taking the p*ss, but how many euro-neutrals does Labour have that also have enough interest and knowledge on the EU to make a useful contribution to the select committee ?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/10/18/the-nearest-run-thing/
Would have thought Remainer wing of Tories plus moderate Labour gets a majority in the House?
Superb trolling from Corbyn though. He reminds me of Uriah Heep, with the PLP as Agnes Wickfield.
Edit: Top thread, SO. This is what makes PB great.
Clinton 51 .. Trump 36
http://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-october-19-2016-presidential-election-horserace-clinton-trump/
The one underlying assumption I'd challenge is the assumption that Corbyn and his henchmen want to build bridges with the bulk of Labour MPs. It doesn't really look that way to me; the various things he has done since his re-selection look more like deliberate provocation.
Clinton 46 .. Trump 36
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=43152229-1c55-4feb-8b4d-50aeb48c36b1
It seems to me that Corbyn aspires to unity in the same way that Stalin did, only with the capacity of Boris Yeltsin to deliver it.
Seriously considering building a (trading!) position on Labour being next government.
https://twitter.com/funder/status/788040411407343618
Could Labour (all factions) not find someone reasonably pragmatic for the role, willing to work towards a sensible Brexit process while holding the government to account?
My assumption is that Corbyn does not want to build bridges, just that he says he does. His problem is that his actions run so obviously counter to his words. And people will increasingly notice that.
https://twitter.com/labourlewis/status/788483899039084544
For once Corbyn is right here. Hoey is a sensible choice and a genuine expert too.
Lol.
Didn't they learn anything from that strategy in the past?
Corbyn never misses a chance to make a mistake.
It's the hope that kills you...
Handwaving - yeah, just don't understand this term in the context it's used by PBers. Is it yet another awful PB/internet phrase like virtual signalling and waycist? What does it mean?!
As it happens, I've been quite critical of our new leader. Like everyone else, I don't yet really know what her Brexit negotiating position is going to be; when we do know, I shall comment.
If it means dismiss, why not just write that?
The full quote was "If the purpose is to inform better, why are people in such a hurry to handwave away views that don't conform with their own sensibilities,"
It's very hard not to read that in any other way than people dismissing views that don't conform to their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving
Though around here it's come mean the behaviour of news outlets who ignore conspiracy theories that benefit Donald Trump.
Handwaving isn't one of them.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/dismiss
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SeanT is SeanT - MalcolmG with richer prose. I got bored about the tenth time he had a go at me and haven't really bewen bothered since.
But it does feel odd that Brexiteers aren't more relaxed, magnaminous, etc. I don't think they are quite sure they are relaly going to get what they want, insofar as they know what they want.
On liberalism, the site is predominently Cameroonish, i.e. socially liberal and mildly conservative. The 25% of the population who really like Corbyn is under-represented (BJO, me, and er...) as are the hard right, though plato seems to be moving to fill the gap. The most interesting posts IMO are from the people like DavidL who one can't quite predict!
Nick I think you mean the poncier Luvvie English version of my good self. I have to say I am not averse to being mentioned as any way similar to our resident novelist.
Yes the Trumptons have appeared to adopt their own language. Unintelligible beyond a tiny group of hard rightists on internet forums.
You virtual signalling, handwaving waycist!
Apparently Robert di Niro and Harrison Ford are among the actors interested in playing the leads.
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They would have to be prepared to leave with no deal, all the UK negotiators, plus all we can beg, borrow, or steal from our allies are going to be tied up talking with Barnier and Verhofstadt.
We would be leaving debt free and have much reduced needs as we would not be paying Westminster's debts. We would do very well thank you. If not we get share of all UK assets , B of E reserves etc and hey presto still doing fine.
It is indeed fair to say that Richard has been critical of May, particularly over her grammar schools schtick.
you and 619 are having your own little conversation together, just the two of you, aren't you.
Bless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving
insubstantial words, arguments, gestures, or actions used in an attempt to explain or persuade.
Virtue Signalling was originally coined in this article:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/hating-the-daily-mail-is-a-substitute-for-doing-good/
and spread a bit
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/i-invented-virtue-signalling-now-its-taking-over-the-world/
As opposed to now, where he is storming ahead in the polls and Labour are charging towards election victory.....
Handwaving is frequently used in low-quality debate, including political campaigning and commentary, issue-based advocacy, advertising and public relations, tabloid journalism, opinion pieces, Internet memes, and informal discussion and writing. If the opponent in a debate or commentator on an argument alleges hand-waving, it suggests the proponent of the argument, position or message has engaged in one or more fallacies of logic, usually informal, and/or glossed over non-trivial details, and is attempting to wave away challenges and deflect questions, as if swatting at flies.
2) small point but you do a disservice to Abba Eban, who, describing the Arabs (not Palestinians only), said that they "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
"On March 21, 2013 women's rights activist and Femen-founder Alexandra Shevchenko assaulted Elmar Brok in front of the European Parliament in Brussels, after luring him outside the building with a phony interview request.[30] Femen accused Brok of soliciting the services of Ukrainian prostitutes and insulting Ukrainian women. Although Femen never disclosed its source, instead mentioning "reliable informations"[31](sic), the Kyiv Post reported shortly after that circumstantial evidence points to First Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Renat Kuzmin being involved.[32] The European External Action Service denied all allegations against Brok, citing his intensive agenda during his visit.[33] After the assault, one Femen activist was able to flee the scene while Shevchenko was arrested by police officers. Brok did not press criminal charges against Shevchenko."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmar_Brok#Femen_attack_in_Brussels
If someone starts a sentence with "Clearly..." or "Obviously..." or "It is self-evident that...", it is a good bet he is about to handwave (alternatively, use of these constructions in a sarcastic tone before a paraphrase of someone else's argument suggests that it is a handwave). The theory behind this term is that if you wave your hands at the right moment, the listener may be sufficiently distracted to not notice that what you have said is bogus [i.e., incorrect]. Failing that, if a listener does object, you might try to dismiss the objection with a wave of your hand.[2]