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I am for an honours system, but this for everyman and his/her dog doing their job in the PM's office is simply ridiculous, and devalues the system for everyone else.Bob__Sykes said:Hard to get too upset about the honours list. Had Cameron had won the EU vote and gone of his own volition in 2018 say then nobody would have batted much of an eyelid about any of this, one or two eyebrow-raisers aside - Will Straw ffs, even if Remain had won, seems a dubious award for someone who has done virtually nothing in his political life except have a famous MP dad and fail to win a marginal seat in the 2015 election.
Nonetheless, surely the age of gongs for No 10 lackeys simply doing what they are paid to do, simply because they do it for the PM, has to come to an end?
Personally, I believe their should be no honours for civil servants or politicians, unless they've earned it in a field outside their paid job.0 -
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Straight talking, honest politics...
@MichaelLCrick: Corbyn statement on Shami Chakrabarti nomination as Lab peer gives no reason why his no new peers pledge was broken https://t.co/Pp06eoEw6i0 -
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
Thanks also.RobD said:
No. Fallon/Swire will be a Sir though.MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
Simple weighting. Same modelling that has worked effectively for the most accurate of US pollsters.nunu said:Why does every samle have about 150 fewer Rebublicans, are they basing it on the last two elections? That worries me especially as the GOP got millions more votes than the Democrats during the primaries.
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Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.0
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After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.0 -
Corbyn's statement is pretty much just an edit of Chakrabarti's Wikipedia page.... quality work thereScott_P said:Straight talking, honest politics...
@MichaelLCrick: Corbyn statement on Shami Chakrabarti nomination as Lab peer gives no reason why his no new peers pledge was broken https://t.co/Pp06eoEw6i0 -
She will make an excellent Peer.taffys said:''Ha ha etc''
There's a serious point here. Chakrabati has had a serious influence on British social and political life, and will continue to do so.
Without ever having to face an election.0 -
Wouldn't know why, although I would guess because it's not an order of chivalry. It's fairly meaningless as distinctions go - the only other CH I can name off the top of my head is Eric Hobsbawm, and if he was happy to take it that gives you some idea of how seriously these things are taken!MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
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Note that Hammond wasn't Knighted - wise move, I think it would have looked bad if too many of the top Cabinet ministers were being called Sir all the time.
The only two Sirs who will be appearing on TV at all regularly are Fallon and McLoughlin so I think that's OK.0 -
Known locally as Rodney? Waiting for the BBC to call him Norwegian Zack B.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
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Strangely omits the anti-Semitism enquiry...oxfordsimon said:Corbyn's statement is pretty much just an edit of Chakrabarti's Wikipedia page.... quality work there
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Known locally as Zak actually.FrancisUrquhart said:
Known locally as Rodney?TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
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LOL.foxinsoxuk said:
She will make an excellent Peer.taffys said:''Ha ha etc''
There's a serious point here. Chakrabati has had a serious influence on British social and political life, and will continue to do so.
Without ever having to face an election.
Full marks for the trolling.0 -
Well it would seem that it hasn't come to an end at all. If anything Cameron has revived it, and in spades.Bob__Sykes said:
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Nonetheless, surely the age of gongs for No 10 lackeys simply doing what they are paid to do, simply because they do it for the PM, has to come to an end?
It really is time we got rid of this nonsense honours system or at least stopped it for political gongs. Lords and ladies, knights, dames, and various orders of the British Empire (which no longer exists), it is a nonsense. Then the idea that being someone who helped the PM's wife choose her dresses deserves an honour is just too absurd. How about having been someone who drove the PM's car? A job for which the people were handsomely rewarded and it was actually what they were paid to do.
Bah. Aside from the Garter and a couple of other bits and bobs that are wholly within the gift of HMtQ, let us dump the whole thing.
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Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.0 -
How convenient that she is a Labour Party member, so she can accept...foxinsoxuk said:She will make an excellent Peer.
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Our Brexit Secretary is a big fan of her, so much so that Andy Burnham had to apologise for smearing her.MP_SE said:
LOL.foxinsoxuk said:
She will make an excellent Peer.taffys said:''Ha ha etc''
There's a serious point here. Chakrabati has had a serious influence on British social and political life, and will continue to do so.
Without ever having to face an election.
Full marks for the trolling.0 -
OM is the top gong.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
Well as she didn't find any, why bother mentioning it?Scott_P said:
Strangely omits the anti-Semitism enquiry...oxfordsimon said:Corbyn's statement is pretty much just an edit of Chakrabarti's Wikipedia page.... quality work there
She must have a very large rug under which she was told to sweep things.0 -
Companion of Honour? Like in Firefly/Serenity?
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Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.0 -
Still early days I guess. I'm thinking he's just a disturbingly ill person that has been overwhelmed by the voices in his head. He may well have had some crazed idea of Islam that set him off, or be an ISIS tribute act. It doesn't matter. A tragedy for all involved, including his family.TheScreamingEagles said:
Known locally as Zak actually.FrancisUrquhart said:
Known locally as Rodney?TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
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And how long do police normally take to release names in cases like this? (in reply to oxford, sorry TSE)TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.0 -
Doesn't George become a Sir anyway once his old man pops his clogs - hence why the CH has been bestowed?RobD said:
OM is the top gong.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
Alright, Dave?FrancisUrquhart said:
Known locally as Rodney? Waiting for the BBC to call him Norwegian Zack B.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
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@WikiGuido: This is what Shami Chakrabarti once said about "taking honours in exchange for silence" https://t.co/D1nCG9iSKc https://t.co/ewdPXH3ECy0
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Being a double-knight is surely better?Bob__Sykes said:
Doesn't George become a Sir anyway once his old man pops his clogs - hence why the CH has been bestowed?RobD said:
OM is the top gong.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon? 0 -
That is very naughty trolling, young Darth Eagles. However, I shall not bite.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.0 -
Depends on how long their initial investigation takes.RobD said:
And how long do police normally take to release names in cases like this? (in reply to oxford, sorry TSE)TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.0 -
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.0 -
I have always had a soft spot for Shami with her doe like eyes and dulcet tones.MP_SE said:
LOL.foxinsoxuk said:
She will make an excellent Peer.taffys said:''Ha ha etc''
There's a serious point here. Chakrabati has had a serious influence on British social and political life, and will continue to do so.
Without ever having to face an election.
Full marks for the trolling.
It will also be good to have someone to speak up for civil liberties in the Lords. I mistrust the PM on the issue, though David Davies will hopefully put her straight.0 -
My father-in-law was a knight. It's as close as my family's ever got to the gentryydoethur said:
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?
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IIRC, my well-regarded Conservative predecessor Jim Lester (we found we didn't disagree on very much and both fought the campaign only on national issues) was a very active supporter of World Vision. I don't think an entire organisation can be blamed for one employee being accused (not yet convicted) of wrongdoing, although if he is convicted they should at least be expected to review their compliance checks to see how it could happen.pbr2013 said:
More to the point what does Justine think about it?FrancisUrquhart said:DfID has given £27 million to a charity whose lead organiser in Gaza has just been arrested for funnelling 60% of his budget to Hamas. World Vision’s Mohammed El-Halabi was seized in an operation by Israeli intelligence and is accused of moving “tens of millions” of aid money to Hamas’ military wing. A Hamas member, Halabi allegedly “infiltrated” World Vision in 2005 with the explicit intention to steal money and funnel it to fighters. He gave £5.5 million every year to the terror group – including 40% of the charity’s civilian project fund. World Vision is funded by the British taxpayer through DfiD’s aid programme
http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/dfid-funding-hamas/
Wonder what Jezza thinks of this?0 -
Probably because they had to rule out the possibility it was terrorist related?oxfordsimon said:
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.0 -
There could in this instance be an genuine explanation that the authorities did initially think it was a terrorist attack (it seems they briefed the media it was, as early on the Mail and CNN were claiming it was based upon source and there was a definite media black out for a number of hours, in comparison to the other multiple stabbing that evening).oxfordsimon said:
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.
Report of Muslim stabbing tourists and then just standing around waiting to be shot screams copy cat of stuff in Germany.
Perhaps, in this case, they have found it is just a nutter.
As stated earlier the problem is inconsistency and half truths, which leads to mistrust. "Two Men" doing a bit of WWE with a squaddie on a run eventually turns into abduction by North African men...there they must have known immediately what it was as the witness was there to give them the account.0 -
Cheers Mr. L - very useful.MikeL said:House of Lords State of the Parties:
Today: Con 243, Lab 209, LD 105, Crossbench 173, Others 67 (Total = 797)
Cameron appointments: Con 13, Lab 1, Crossbench 2 (Total = 16)
So post appointments: Con 256, Lab 210, LD 105, Crossbench 175, Others 67 (Total = 813)0 -
To be honest, every time there is a crime like this, people are automatically going to think it's Islamic related. We need to remember that not every Muslim murderer will be a terrorist.RobD said:
Probably because they had to rule out the possibility it was terrorist related?oxfordsimon said:
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.oxfordsimon said:
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.TwistedFireStopper said:Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.0 -
LD attrition not at a satisfactory pace...SimonStClare said:
Cheers Mr. L - very useful.MikeL said:House of Lords State of the Parties:
Today: Con 243, Lab 209, LD 105, Crossbench 173, Others 67 (Total = 797)
Cameron appointments: Con 13, Lab 1, Crossbench 2 (Total = 16)
So post appointments: Con 256, Lab 210, LD 105, Crossbench 175, Others 67 (Total = 813)
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Hey @TSE - hao about using "Last trump for Donald" at some point when then moment calls.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
Or Clinton Trumps Donald?
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@dhothersall: Another promising career destroyed by Corbyn: Shami Chakrabarti. Allowed herself to be used and now has nowhere to go. Very sad.0
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Piers Morgan - My 10 point plan to get Trump back on track
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3724025/PIERS-MORGAN-s-worst-week-Donald-s-10-point-plan-getting-Trump-Train-track-steaming-ahead-White-House.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus0 -
This is very interesting in its own right:
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/7612605857408942080 -
No you don't, there's Knights Bachelor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Bachelorydoethur said:
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?0 -
I like that.Charles said:
Hey @TSE - hao about using "Last trump for Donald" at some point when then moment calls.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
Or Clinton Trumps Donald?
I have planned Trump leaves a bad stench and Trump is odious as well.0 -
@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC60
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Linkie to the rest of James Morris's poll. Good stuff in there.
https://gqrr.app.box.com/s/8fryc6auj1y9x3f5syp6hrwqep2xz45l0 -
Given that I didn't sleep last night, that might be very useful. I wonder how often Smith will be booed.Scott_P said:@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
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Nice.. thanks for the link.John_M said:Linkie to the rest of James Morris's poll. Good stuff in there.
https://gqrr.app.box.com/s/8fryc6auj1y9x3f5syp6hrwqep2xz45l0 -
@OliverCooper: The @BoardOfDeputies of British Jews calls Labour giving Chakrabarti a peerage a "whitewash for peerages scandal". https://t.co/oFVSxYQzCC
Only Corbyn could make honouring a human rights lawyer sleazy...0 -
I would rather stick pins in my eyes.Scott_P said:@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
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I think he deserves it for the self restraint he has shown in the last 3 weeks alone.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.0 -
Aaron Banks described described Vote Leave’s Dominic Cummings and Matthew Elliot as “two of the nastiest individuals I have ever had the misfortune to meet”, and that he “wouldn’t put them in charge of the local sweet shop”.
Cameron's Madame Tussauds waxwork was put into storage yesterday
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-now-oakeshott-gets-stuck-into-all-things-brexit-a3311836.html0 -
Waiting for calls of RACIST from the Moamentum crowd over that tweet.Scott_P said:@OliverCooper: The @BoardOfDeputies of British Jews calls Labour giving Chakrabarti a peerage a "whitewash for peerages scandal". https://t.co/oFVSxYQzCC
Only Corbyn could make honouring a human rights lawyer sleazy...0 -
Even C2DE youngsters voted Remain (just less so than ABC1).John_M said:This is very interesting in its own right:
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/761260585740894208
And I bet were even less likely to turnout.0 -
@owenjbennett: Amazing how even though Cameron's honours list is getting a kicking, Corbyn has managed to focus attention on him. That's real leadership0
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Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....0
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Osborne would perhaps not however have been thrilled with a title that given his father's baronetcy would have been temporary and meaningless. An order gives him something to hang on to for life. However, this does seem an odd choice (for the odd chancellor).Ishmael_X said:
No you don't, there's Knights Bachelor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Bachelorydoethur said:
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.John_M said:
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.MikeL said:
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.ydoethur said:
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?MikeL said:
Does the CH mean Osborne also becomes a Sir?MarkHopkins said:
Full list of Cameron resignation honours/peerages
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/resignation-honours-2016
What about Swire and Fallon?
It is late in Jerusalem and I am off to bed. Good night all.0 -
@SophyRidgeSky: Owen Smith getting heckled as he talks about Labour being a disunited party - "Withdraw then!"0
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You've had numerous OMGs for your puns, be content.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
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She ceased to be a lawyer many, many years ago. She became a campaigner - and thus part of the political establishment.Scott_P said:@OliverCooper: The @BoardOfDeputies of British Jews calls Labour giving Chakrabarti a peerage a "whitewash for peerages scandal". https://t.co/oFVSxYQzCC
Only Corbyn could make honouring a human rights lawyer sleazy...
And her decision to accept this peerage is what makes her sleazy. If she had integrity, she would have refused - or at least asked for a delay of a couple of years.0 -
Though even young C2DEs voted Remain by a 7% margin, pensioners voted strongly Leave, it was C2DE middle aged voters who won it for LeaveJohn_M said:This is very interesting in its own right:
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Is this a debate or a panto? The crowd reactions are more like the later than the former.0
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I assume they are taking about the Blairites?FrancisUrquhart said:Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
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We are all Tories now....RobD said:
I assume they are taking about the Blairites?FrancisUrquhart said:Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
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Like.Theuniondivvie said:
You've had numerous OMGs for your puns, be content.TheScreamingEagles said:After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
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Same thing. Blairite <-> Tory.RobD said:
I assume they are taking about the Blairites?FrancisUrquhart said:Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
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The slogan behind the candidates is interesting....
"Choose Labour's next Prime Minister"
Are both candidates thinking about hanging about until 2030?0 -
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@DPJHodges: Board of Deputies: "This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti".0 -
There is a job for Jezza in PR..not getting good PR, but as the fall guy to distract from the real shit storm ala Thick of It with the defence contract vs "the piss" woman.Scott_P said:Oh dear
@DPJHodges: Board of Deputies: "This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti".0 -
Is this live on tv somewhere?Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Owen Smith getting heckled as he talks about Labour being a disunited party - "Withdraw then!"
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@MrTCHarris: “How will you get the support of your MPs?”
“I have a mandate-…”
“But how will you-…?”
“MANDATE!”
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FrancisUrquhart said:
We are all Tories now....RobD said:
I assume they are taking about the Blairites?FrancisUrquhart said:Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/watch-live-jeremy-corbyn-goes-head-to-head-with-rival-owen-smith/rottenborough said:
Is this live on tv somewhere?Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Owen Smith getting heckled as he talks about Labour being a disunited party - "Withdraw then!"
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From one of Scott's earlier posts:rottenborough said:
Is this live on tv somewhere?Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Owen Smith getting heckled as he talks about Labour being a disunited party - "Withdraw then!"
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Owen Smith is coming off as utter crap. And Jezza is doing the angry / disappointed teacher routine to him.0
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Since the CH is, at least in theory, in the personal gift of the Queen, I cannot see what it is doing in a resignation honours list.0
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OMG I can see it now.. OICIPM?FrancisUrquhart said:Owen Smith is coming off as utter crap.
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Scott_P said:
@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
The streamer has stopped steaming.
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Its on the Telegraph website.David_Evershed said:Scott_P said:@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
The streamer has stopped steaming.0 -
Labour Party, 1900 - 2016.David_Evershed said:Scott_P said:@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
The streamer has stopped steaming.0 -
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Sounds like the excuse of a young lady who is generous with her favours nine months after the event.RobD said:
Who knows, he could have refused!old_labour said:Surprised Nick Clegg is not on the honours list. I doubt Samantha would have serviced Dave the way Nick did.
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je suis toryrottenborough said:FrancisUrquhart said:
We are all Tories now....RobD said:
I assume they are taking about the Blairites?FrancisUrquhart said:Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
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@chrisdeerin: live stream of the Labour leadership debate has crashed - probably killed itself over the weapons-grade muppetry on display in the audience0
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@lbcbreaking: The Home Secretary Amber Rudd says Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as head of the Indepenent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.0
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So, no discussion on the Treaty of Troyes then? Disappointing.HYUFD said:0 -
Oh dear...where are they going to find a suitable replacement? Last time they had to go half way around the world. Where next, Mars?Scott_P said:@lbcbreaking: The Home Secretary Amber Rudd says Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as head of the Indepenent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.
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It's on the BBC news channel0
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How many chairs is this inquiry going to have.Scott_P said:@lbcbreaking: The Home Secretary Amber Rudd says Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as head of the Indepenent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.
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