Hard to get too upset about the honours list. Had Cameron had won the EU vote and gone of his own volition in 2018 say then nobody would have batted much of an eyelid about any of this, one or two eyebrow-raisers aside - Will Straw ffs, even if Remain had won, seems a dubious award for someone who has done virtually nothing in his political life except have a famous MP dad and fail to win a marginal seat in the 2015 election.
Nonetheless, surely the age of gongs for No 10 lackeys simply doing what they are paid to do, simply because they do it for the PM, has to come to an end?
I am for an honours system, but this for everyman and his/her dog doing their job in the PM's office is simply ridiculous, and devalues the system for everyone else.
Personally, I believe their should be no honours for civil servants or politicians, unless they've earned it in a field outside their paid job.
@MichaelLCrick: Corbyn statement on Shami Chakrabarti nomination as Lab peer gives no reason why his no new peers pledge was broken https://t.co/Pp06eoEw6i
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
Why does every samle have about 150 fewer Rebublicans, are they basing it on the last two elections? That worries me especially as the GOP got millions more votes than the Democrats during the primaries.
Simple weighting. Same modelling that has worked effectively for the most accurate of US pollsters.
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
@MichaelLCrick: Corbyn statement on Shami Chakrabarti nomination as Lab peer gives no reason why his no new peers pledge was broken https://t.co/Pp06eoEw6i
Corbyn's statement is pretty much just an edit of Chakrabarti's Wikipedia page.... quality work there
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
Wouldn't know why, although I would guess because it's not an order of chivalry. It's fairly meaningless as distinctions go - the only other CH I can name off the top of my head is Eric Hobsbawm, and if he was happy to take it that gives you some idea of how seriously these things are taken!
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
Note that Hammond wasn't Knighted - wise move, I think it would have looked bad if too many of the top Cabinet ministers were being called Sir all the time.
The only two Sirs who will be appearing on TV at all regularly are Fallon and McLoughlin so I think that's OK.
Nonetheless, surely the age of gongs for No 10 lackeys simply doing what they are paid to do, simply because they do it for the PM, has to come to an end?
Well it would seem that it hasn't come to an end at all. If anything Cameron has revived it, and in spades.
It really is time we got rid of this nonsense honours system or at least stopped it for political gongs. Lords and ladies, knights, dames, and various orders of the British Empire (which no longer exists), it is a nonsense. Then the idea that being someone who helped the PM's wife choose her dresses deserves an honour is just too absurd. How about having been someone who drove the PM's car? A job for which the people were handsomely rewarded and it was actually what they were paid to do.
Bah. Aside from the Garter and a couple of other bits and bobs that are wholly within the gift of HMtQ, let us dump the whole thing.
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
Known locally as Rodney?
Known locally as Zak actually.
Still early days I guess. I'm thinking he's just a disturbingly ill person that has been overwhelmed by the voices in his head. He may well have had some crazed idea of Islam that set him off, or be an ISIS tribute act. It doesn't matter. A tragedy for all involved, including his family.
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
OM is the top gong.
Doesn't George become a Sir anyway once his old man pops his clogs - hence why the CH has been bestowed?
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
OM is the top gong.
Doesn't George become a Sir anyway once his old man pops his clogs - hence why the CH has been bestowed?
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
That is very naughty trolling, young Darth Eagles. However, I shall not bite.
There's a serious point here. Chakrabati has had a serious influence on British social and political life, and will continue to do so.
Without ever having to face an election.
She will make an excellent Peer.
LOL.
Full marks for the trolling.
I have always had a soft spot for Shami with her doe like eyes and dulcet tones.
It will also be good to have someone to speak up for civil liberties in the Lords. I mistrust the PM on the issue, though David Davies will hopefully put her straight.
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.
My father-in-law was a knight. It's as close as my family's ever got to the gentry .
DfID has given £27 million to a charity whose lead organiser in Gaza has just been arrested for funnelling 60% of his budget to Hamas. World Vision’s Mohammed El-Halabi was seized in an operation by Israeli intelligence and is accused of moving “tens of millions” of aid money to Hamas’ military wing. A Hamas member, Halabi allegedly “infiltrated” World Vision in 2005 with the explicit intention to steal money and funnel it to fighters. He gave £5.5 million every year to the terror group – including 40% of the charity’s civilian project fund. World Vision is funded by the British taxpayer through DfiD’s aid programme
More to the point what does Justine think about it?
IIRC, my well-regarded Conservative predecessor Jim Lester (we found we didn't disagree on very much and both fought the campaign only on national issues) was a very active supporter of World Vision. I don't think an entire organisation can be blamed for one employee being accused (not yet convicted) of wrongdoing, although if he is convicted they should at least be expected to review their compliance checks to see how it could happen.
Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.
There could in this instance be an genuine explanation that the authorities did initially think it was a terrorist attack (it seems they briefed the media it was, as early on the Mail and CNN were claiming it was based upon source and there was a definite media black out for a number of hours, in comparison to the other multiple stabbing that evening).
Report of Muslim stabbing tourists and then just standing around waiting to be shot screams copy cat of stuff in Germany.
Perhaps, in this case, they have found it is just a nutter.
As stated earlier the problem is inconsistency and half truths, which leads to mistrust. "Two Men" doing a bit of WWE with a squaddie on a run eventually turns into abduction by North African men...there they must have known immediately what it was as the witness was there to give them the account.
Sky News saying that the London murderer was 19 yo Zakaria Bhulan, been in the UK since the age of 5, and a history of mental health issues.
Clearly nothing to see here. Move along please.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
Because if it was terrorist related they didn't want to tip off any potential associates.
I don't buy that. They were happy to talk about the possibility of terrorist connections earlier.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.
Probably because they had to rule out the possibility it was terrorist related?
To be honest, every time there is a crime like this, people are automatically going to think it's Islamic related. We need to remember that not every Muslim murderer will be a terrorist.
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
Hey @TSE - hao about using "Last trump for Donald" at some point when then moment calls.
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
Hey @TSE - hao about using "Last trump for Donald" at some point when then moment calls.
Or Clinton Trumps Donald?
I like that.
I have planned Trump leaves a bad stench and Trump is odious as well.
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
I think he deserves it for the self restraint he has shown in the last 3 weeks alone.
Aaron Banks described described Vote Leave’s Dominic Cummings and Matthew Elliot as “two of the nastiest individuals I have ever had the misfortune to meet”, and that he “wouldn’t put them in charge of the local sweet shop”.
@owenjbennett: Amazing how even though Cameron's honours list is getting a kicking, Corbyn has managed to focus attention on him. That's real leadership
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
No, it's just a brace of letters after his name. A sign perhaps that he still harbours ambition to resurrect his wrecked political career?
Thanks - just seems odd that Osborne is top of the list (implying his appointment is the most senior) - yet he doesn't become a Sir whilst all the others do.
CH is more prestigious as it's a limited membership. Knighthoods are ten a penny in comparison.
To be a knight you have to be a member of an order of chivalry, most of which are also tightly restricted. There are 65 CHs, but only 25 members of the Order of the Garter. Admittedly, I don't think there's any limit on the number of companions to said orders.
Osborne would perhaps not however have been thrilled with a title that given his father's baronetcy would have been temporary and meaningless. An order gives him something to hang on to for life. However, this does seem an odd choice (for the odd chancellor).
It is late in Jerusalem and I am off to bed. Good night all.
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
You've had numerous OMGs for your puns, be content.
Only Corbyn could make honouring a human rights lawyer sleazy...
She ceased to be a lawyer many, many years ago. She became a campaigner - and thus part of the political establishment.
And her decision to accept this peerage is what makes her sleazy. If she had integrity, she would have refused - or at least asked for a delay of a couple of years.
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
After all I've done for Dave over the last few years and I don't get the GCMG that I've craved for years but that little pip squeak Will Straw gets an honour, it's a bloody outrage.
You've had numerous OMGs for your puns, be content.
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
@DPJHodges: Board of Deputies: "This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti".
@DPJHodges: Board of Deputies: "This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti".
There is a job for Jezza in PR..not getting good PR, but as the fall guy to distract from the real shit storm ala Thick of It with the defence contract vs "the piss" woman.
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
How about asking if they should offer "fair" terms.
The French would still demand unfair terms even then, as the poll confirms they are still our oldest enemy and hate us more than any other major nation in Europe or elsewhere
Just turned on the debate for the LOLs...it is like that Harry Enfield sketch of QT, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories, the Tories....
@chrisdeerin: live stream of the Labour leadership debate has crashed - probably killed itself over the weapons-grade muppetry on display in the audience
How about asking if they should offer "fair" terms.
The French would still demand unfair terms even then, as the poll confirms they are still our oldest enemy and hate us more than any other major nation in Europe or elsewhere
So, no discussion on the Treaty of Troyes then? Disappointing.
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Personally, I believe their should be no honours for civil servants or politicians, unless they've earned it in a field outside their paid job.
@MichaelLCrick: Corbyn statement on Shami Chakrabarti nomination as Lab peer gives no reason why his no new peers pledge was broken https://t.co/Pp06eoEw6i
However I am delighted for our future PM, George Osborne, has become a Companion of Honour, top bloke, well deserved.
Clinton 77.7 .. Trump 22.3 - Polls Only
Clinton 72.6 .. Trump 27.4 - Polls Plus
Clinton 91.2 .. Trump 8.8 - Nowcast
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now
The only two Sirs who will be appearing on TV at all regularly are Fallon and McLoughlin so I think that's OK.
Full marks for the trolling.
It really is time we got rid of this nonsense honours system or at least stopped it for political gongs. Lords and ladies, knights, dames, and various orders of the British Empire (which no longer exists), it is a nonsense. Then the idea that being someone who helped the PM's wife choose her dresses deserves an honour is just too absurd. How about having been someone who drove the PM's car? A job for which the people were handsomely rewarded and it was actually what they were paid to do.
Bah. Aside from the Garter and a couple of other bits and bobs that are wholly within the gift of HMtQ, let us dump the whole thing.
If that is all there is, then why has it taken this long to release his name?
I don't like being lied to.
She must have a very large rug under which she was told to sweep things.
If it was just a mental health issue, sending out loads of armed officers onto the streets today would not have been the appropriate response.
It will also be good to have someone to speak up for civil liberties in the Lords. I mistrust the PM on the issue, though David Davies will hopefully put her straight.
Report of Muslim stabbing tourists and then just standing around waiting to be shot screams copy cat of stuff in Germany.
Perhaps, in this case, they have found it is just a nutter.
As stated earlier the problem is inconsistency and half truths, which leads to mistrust. "Two Men" doing a bit of WWE with a squaddie on a run eventually turns into abduction by North African men...there they must have known immediately what it was as the witness was there to give them the account.
Or Clinton Trumps Donald?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3724025/PIERS-MORGAN-s-worst-week-Donald-s-10-point-plan-getting-Trump-Train-track-steaming-ahead-White-House.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/761260585740894208
I have planned Trump leaves a bad stench and Trump is odious as well.
https://twitter.com/MargotLJParker/status/761093407557103617
https://gqrr.app.box.com/s/8fryc6auj1y9x3f5syp6hrwqep2xz45l
Only Corbyn could make honouring a human rights lawyer sleazy...
Cameron's Madame Tussauds waxwork was put into storage yesterday
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-now-oakeshott-gets-stuck-into-all-things-brexit-a3311836.html
And I bet were even less likely to turnout.
It is late in Jerusalem and I am off to bed. Good night all.
And her decision to accept this peerage is what makes her sleazy. If she had integrity, she would have refused - or at least asked for a delay of a couple of years.
"Choose Labour's next Prime Minister"
Are both candidates thinking about hanging about until 2030?
@DPJHodges: Board of Deputies: "This 'whitewash for peerages' is a scandal that surely raises serious questions about the integrity of Ms Chakrabarti".
“I have a mandate-…”
“But how will you-…?”
“MANDATE!”
#LabourLeadership
@carlgardner: The can watch tonight's Labour leadership debate in Cardiff, live, here: https://t.co/0ezPMxWLC6
The streamer has stopped steaming.