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ThreeQuidder said:

RobD said:

ThreeQuidder said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!

Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?

Doesn't look like it.

I checked. GEX doesn't but Southern does.

It has a late finish and early start, but dumps you in Victoria. The almost 24h service to London Bridge and St Pancras is relatively recent, it didn't exist back then anyway.

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

runnymede said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

DfID has given £27 million to a charity whose lead organiser in Gaza has just been arrested for funnelling 60% of his budget to Hamas. World Vision’s Mohammed El-Halabi was seized in an operation by Israeli intelligence and is accused of moving “tens of millions” of aid money to Hamas’ military wing. A Hamas member, Halabi allegedly “infiltrated” World Vision in 2005 with the explicit intention to steal money and funnel it to fighters. He gave £5.5 million every year to the terror group – including 40% of the charity’s civilian project fund. World Vision is funded by the British taxpayer through DfiD’s aid programme

http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/dfid-funding-hamas/

Wonder what Jezza thinks of this?

Here's where the Brexit dividend could be really big now we have got rid of the guilt-merchants like Cameron

You noticed any mention of teh latest bunch of zealots mentioning they were going to do anything about it. They prefer to fund terrorists than help poor in this country.

ThreeQuidder said:

MaxPB said:

ThreeQuidder said:

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!

Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?

I lived in north London at the time, Victoria was not much better than Gatwick.

Thameslink runs 24 hours too. Though it might not have done then, depends how many years ago.

The thing I find with Easyjet is the morning flights are too early unless you live very near so you have to stay over. But if you book far enough in advance the Premier Inn on site is cheap and fine.

Few years ago, I had to go state side for a month (last minute thing) and got booked on the first one out of Gatwick. Then I realised I couldn't sodding get their without a) parking the car for a million quid for the month, b) train / hotel (but as late minute was going to cost arm and a leg or c) doing overnight pleb "express" i.e. the bus.

Tight ass me went with the bus option, zigzagging across the country from crappy bus station to crappy bus station, regretting every minute of it...and that was before doing that having a 10hr flight.

Never again.

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

I got 63% Blairite. I might have called the pillow fight question wrong.

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

Clinton = LBJ

Trump = Goldwater

How did that work out for LBJ?

Massive landslide.

I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)

I was thinking more about the four years to 1968. What was the chant "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

I'm sure Hillary won't invade any countries though....

Didn't have you down as a pot smoking hippy lefty.

I was trying to wind up TSE - it rarely works. It's funny, that line is one of the few things I remember from my history lessons at school.

Had he run in 1968, would LBJ have been reelected?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Today's date is

2 to the power 2/2 to the power 3/2 to the power 4

4/8/16

Clever.

But it looks like 2 to the power of 2/2 (i.e. 1)

and 3/2 (i.e. 1.5) to the power of 4.

Confusing.

Theuniondivvie said:

JonathanD said:

Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


"Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

That £350m a week's going to be spread thinner than the Flora on a supermodel's Ryvita.

Ha Ha Ha , they will be pariah's I tell you , who would lend money to welchers.

33% Blairite, I'm pleased to say.

MaxPB said:

Toms said:

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)

We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.

Yes. We should do something to try to counter the something else we did.

Sure, please tell me how the rate cut and extra QE will help?

Go on why don't you enlighten us to why it will be bad, give us a laugh.

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

@MaxPB

I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card

Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.

I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.

For absolute knobheads with inferiority complexes who need something to make them feel like big shots instead of the weedly little runts they really are

Luckyguy1983 said:

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

Has there ever been a better definition of Blairism?

TheWhiteRabbit said:

SouthamObserver said:

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

@MaxPB

I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card

Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.

I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.

Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.

I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot

Virgin used to be excellent for business class. These days, the BA product is much improved, and IMHO is better. Emirates is very good, their business class makes excellent use of space, and you really feel separate from your neighbour.

Flew biz to Toronto with BA yesterday. It's fine, but there's definitely been a decline in the offering over recent years. To Asia it's better as the competition is much greater. US and Air Canada are so dire BA can basically offer what they like.

I'm going to NYC in a month, I checked the reviews for Virgin and BA, but there are just too many it's surprisingly uninformative. Four hundred people give each zero, another four hundred give that 5 out of 5.

As much a concern as the airline is which of the 3 NY/NJ airports you are getting flown into.

Depending on what you are going to NY, you can waste a lot of time flying into the wrong one.

JackW said:

National - Rasmussen

Clinton 44 .. Trump 40

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

It's a testament to how terrible Clinton is that Trump is even that close.

Theuniondivvie said:

David_Evershed said:

JonathanD said:

Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


"Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

So Britain has been accumulating €25 billion of hidden liabilities whilst a member of the EU.

We have news for the EU - we won't be paying for hidden liabilities and once we have left we won't be accruing any more either.

How does it go again?
If you walk away from your share of the debt that you helped incur, you'll become an international pariah. ©Project Fear I

Yes, remind us your view on that argument won't you? You know, back in your anti-establishment days?

williamglenn said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

Has there ever been a better definition of Blairism?

I suppose not, though offensive to me isn't the same as offensive to the average Blairite I suspect.

John_M said:

It's a testament to how terrible Clinton is that Trump is even that close.

It's a testament to tribalism.

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

35% for me.

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

I'd love to be edgy and radical. Sadly, I'm boring, centrist and a total Wet.

The trouble with centrism is that you're entirely defined by the two opposing sides. Historically, centrism is meaningless. Centrist Nazis. Centrist Communists. Centrist post-war consensus-ites. Centrist French revolutionaries. Centrist supporters of aristocratic Government in the age of Lord Melbourne. I don't see myself as radical, I see myself as commonsensical. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because of political ebbs and flows. Why on earth would I?

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

35% for me.

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

I'd love to be edgy and radical. Sadly, I'm boring, centrist and a total Wet.

The trouble with centrism is that you're entirely defined by the two opposing sides. Historically, centrism is meaningless. Centrist Nazis. Centrist Communists. Centrist post-war consensus-ites. Centrist French revolutionaries. Centrist supporters of aristocratic Government in the age of Lord Melbourne. I don't see myself as radical, I see myself as commonsensical. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because of political ebbs and flows. Why on earth would I?

You can't have a right without a left. And vice versa.

Afternoon all

I still see a few on here are treating every election fought anywhere in the world as an extension of the EU Referendum and there are apparently millions of "silent Trumpers" ready to come out and vote in November.

Really - I suppose there are some here who support the "Right" candidate under all and any circumstances. I hope HRC wins 531-7 (Trump can have Oklahoma).

Airlines - Virgin were really good before the recession. We flew both Premium Economy and Upper to Vegas in 2003-7 on Virgin and every flight was a joy. After 2008, Virgin cut back on staff and amenities and lost the plot.

Interest Rates - so it's going to be more financial methadone to keep the economy moving. Wholly unnecessary of course - there's evidence the initial shock has been limited and confidence is returning - the current PMI numbers and downward growth revisions aren't welcome but a forecast isn't the same as reality.

malcolmg said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

@MaxPB

I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card

Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.

I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.

For absolute knobheads with inferiority complexes who need something to make them feel like big shots instead of the weedly little runts they really are

Yeah. I should have become a Scot Nat instead of chasing the Centurion card.

tlg86 said:

OllyT said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

Clinton = LBJ

Trump = Goldwater

How did that work out for LBJ?

Massive landslide.

I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)

I was thinking more about the four years to 1968. What was the chant "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

I'm sure Hillary won't invade any countries though....

Didn't have you down as a pot smoking hippy lefty.

I was trying to wind up TSE - it rarely works. It's funny, that line is one of the few things I remember from my history lessons at school.

Had he run in 1968, would LBJ have been reelected?

Toss up, would have given Nixon a better run for his money, but then again I thought Humphrey was a pretty decent guy so what do I know!

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

35% for me.

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

I'd love to be edgy and radical. Sadly, I'm boring, centrist and a total Wet.

The trouble with centrism is that you're entirely defined by the two opposing sides. Historically, centrism is meaningless. Centrist Nazis. Centrist Communists. Centrist post-war consensus-ites. Centrist French revolutionaries. Centrist supporters of aristocratic Government in the age of Lord Melbourne. I don't see myself as radical, I see myself as commonsensical. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because of political ebbs and flows. Why on earth would I?

You make a strong point, I am duly punished for intellectual laziness.

I have a managerial view of politics and am automatically suspicious of sacred cows (e.g. the NHS). My commercial background means I'm interested in pragmatic solutions. I try not to get emotionally invested in projects. As I say, dull .

TheScreamingEagles said:

Michael Crick

Gambling Commission tell me they and Ukip are investigating suspicious betting relating to Ukip leadership election

We might actually get some useful guidance on what "insider trading" standards actually apply to gamblers.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Michael Crick

Gambling Commission tell me they and Ukip are investigating suspicious betting relating to Ukip leadership election

Plenty of insiders knew of Woolfe’s exclusion from the ballot before the initial announcement.

TheScreamingEagles said:

malcolmg said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

@MaxPB

I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card

Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.

I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.

For absolute knobheads with inferiority complexes who need something to make them feel like big shots instead of the weedly little runts they really are

Yeah. I should have become a Scot Nat instead of chasing the Centurion card.

Touched a nerve and I was not even talking about you. You make a better nasty Tory, you need a pair to be a Scottish Nationalist.
Best you and max stick to boasting about whose credit card gives them the biggest willy.

John_M said:

JackW said:

National - Rasmussen

Clinton 44 .. Trump 40

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

It's a testament to how terrible Clinton is that Trump is even that close.

It's Rasmussen, must have broken their hearts to even show a Clinton lead.

Any Pokémon Go fans on here? Ive been to a couple of really busy spots but no Pokémon appeared on my phone, is it not working?

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Michael Crick

Gambling Commission tell me they and Ukip are investigating suspicious betting relating to Ukip leadership election

Plenty of insiders knew of Woolfe’s exclusion from the ballot before the initial announcement.

It was on the front page of the Telegraph website hours before the official announcement.

nunu said:

Any Pokémon Go fans on here? Ive been to a couple of really busy spots but no Pokémon appeared on my phone, is it not working?

I notice that some saddos now have a workaround (spoofing the GPS) so they don't even have to leave their bedroom in order to collect them. Sigh.

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

35% for me.

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

I'd love to be edgy and radical. Sadly, I'm boring, centrist and a total Wet.

The trouble with centrism is that you're entirely defined by the two opposing sides. Historically, centrism is meaningless. Centrist Nazis. Centrist Communists. Centrist post-war consensus-ites. Centrist French revolutionaries. Centrist supporters of aristocratic Government in the age of Lord Melbourne. I don't see myself as radical, I see myself as commonsensical. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because of political ebbs and flows. Why on earth would I?

You make a strong point, I am duly punished for intellectual laziness.

I have a managerial view of politics and am automatically suspicious of sacred cows (e.g. the NHS). My commercial background means I'm interested in pragmatic solutions. I try not to get emotionally invested in projects. As I say, dull .

Not at all - and I quite agree with you; I don't believe in sacred cows either. However, I do think it's good to know the destination that you're trying to manage your way to.

williamglenn said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Jonathan said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

35% for me.

Most of the answers there wasn't a correct answer so I picked the least offensive.

I'd love to be edgy and radical. Sadly, I'm boring, centrist and a total Wet.

The trouble with centrism is that you're entirely defined by the two opposing sides. Historically, centrism is meaningless. Centrist Nazis. Centrist Communists. Centrist post-war consensus-ites. Centrist French revolutionaries. Centrist supporters of aristocratic Government in the age of Lord Melbourne. I don't see myself as radical, I see myself as commonsensical. I'm not going to stop believing what I believe because of political ebbs and flows. Why on earth would I?

You can't have a right without a left. And vice versa.

I don't really believe in right and left.

Yet more Blairite thinking.

Oh dear - it's happening. If I betray signs of enjoying the music of D-Ream and emphasising the importance of education, it will be revolver and whisky time.

logical_song said:

52%, 48%. Now where have I heard those values before?
It's not surprising a few weeks in that people think they made the correct decision. If those figures start to change over time, now that would be interesting.

Given the usual bias for people to put themselves on the winning side it's interesting in itself that the 48% Remain vote seems to be solid. It suggests they were not as reluctant as the stereotype.

After heavy defeats in 2012 and 2015 both the GOP and Labour have managed to pick the only two candidates who could do worse than Romney and Ed Miliband and are now heading for a hat trick of defeats to two strong female opponents

Can't afford any public bogs....but....

Senior staff at Manchester council have been awarded pay rises of up to 60% while blaming the Tories for cuts in the city.

http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/60-pay-rise-for-senior-manchester-council-staff/

DanSmith said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DanSmith said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

Clinton = LBJ

Trump = Goldwater

How did that work out for LBJ?

Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.

Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.

Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.

Unfortunately for the GOP if Trump loses the base will probably pick Cruz in 2020 because Trump was too socially liberal

nunu said:

Any Pokémon Go fans on here? Ive been to a couple of really busy spots but no Pokémon appeared on my phone, is it not working?

Try turning your phone on and off.. On the plus side you can recustomize your character's avatar. Lvl 37 has the gym near me !

Apparently it has got harder.

malcolmg said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

malcolmg said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

@MaxPB

I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card

Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.

I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.

For absolute knobheads with inferiority complexes who need something to make them feel like big shots instead of the weedly little runts they really are

Yeah. I should have become a Scot Nat instead of chasing the Centurion card.

Touched a nerve and I was not even talking about you. You make a better nasty Tory, you need a pair to be a Scottish Nationalist.

I don't think you do need balls to be a Scot Nat actually Malc. I think it's a free license to be a a chauvanist with absolutely no comeback. It's the nationalism that absolutely dare speak its name. It's the opponents of it who need balls. Much easier walking around with a Yes badge than with a Better Together one.

Some excellent polling numbers for Trump this week – his strategy of trying to throw the election with increasingly bizarre outbursts and outlandish positioning is bearing fruit.

You have to hand it to the guy.

Fellow windsurfer Bryony Shaw, who won a bronze in the 2008 Olympics, told BBC Sport: "The water quality is an issue and you do pick up rubbish on your fins. Nobody wants medals taken away for that reason.

"But in the last couple of weeks the bay is cleaning up. Even when you pass the tideline there is way less rubbish to weave your way through.

"On a windsurfer we're we are going pretty fast, rubbish can stop you in your tracks and nobody wants that in the races."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/36599710

Speedy said:

HYUFD said:

DanSmith said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DanSmith said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

Clinton = LBJ

Trump = Goldwater

How did that work out for LBJ?

Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.

Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.

Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.

Unfortunately for the GOP if Trump loses the base will probably pick Cruz in 2020 because Trump was too socially liberal

They won't pick Ted Cruz, with a -39 favorables among republicans nationally it's more likely he will be primaried in Texas and lose.

But a turd sandwich can beat Hillary as long as it's a sane one (Trump probably is insane).

Says the man who was ramping him as preferable to Hillary before his recent slide in the polls.

Luckyguy1983 said:

MTimT said:

John_M said:

MTimT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've done this quiz on What % Blairite Are You?

Turns out I'm 89% Blairite

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahjewell/what-percent-blairite-are-you

Only 79%, probably as I'm a Brexiteer and proud of it.

89% Blairite aussi. Probably because I thought Iraq was right beforehand and a giant clusterfuck afterwards.

I agreed with that analysis at the time, and still hold that view. Military operation was justified and awesome in its effectiveness. The moment the police and armed forces were disbanded, it was clear that it would become a clusterfuck. Alas, it did not disappoint - blame the DoD, not the military.

But what was the point? Such as he was, Saddam, a Sunni but non-islamist dictator, was a fairly stabilising (in the context of the ME) figure. The decision to invade showed nothing more than the US' desire to re-shape the Middle East in its own interests, however chaotic and destructive the result.

You and I have a different appreciation of Saddam and what would have happened were he left in power after sanctions disintegrated, which they were well and truly doing at that point in history. Let's leave it at that. I don't have the energy to go through this yet again.

''Unfortunately for the GOP if Trump loses the base will probably pick Cruz in 2020 because Trump was too socially liberal''

You have to fear for the GOP if Trump loses.....actually you have to fear for them whichever way it goes.

Charles said:

FPT very rude of you to have a conversation about flying when I wasn't around!

re: GGL I've been grandfathered in, so I only need 3,000 points a year to retain it (but if I ever lose it then I have to get 5,000 to get it back again).

I usually get between 4,500 and 5,500 per year (5,600 is only 20 return trips to New York a year...)

5,000 is worth getting as it gives you access to the Concorde Room that @SeanT likes so much. It appeals to my sense of humour to go in there on an economy ticket

(Next target is GGL for life...only 46,000 points to go...)

GGL for life is 100,000 points? Or more?

HYUFD said:

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DanSmith said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

Clinton = LBJ

Trump = Goldwater

How did that work out for LBJ?

Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.

Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.

Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.

Unfortunately for the GOP if Trump loses the base will probably pick Cruz in 2020 because Trump was too socially liberal

The GOP wishes that were the case. The base has got the taste for big government economic populism now, whoever is the nominee in 2020 will be standing on that platform.