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We are getting to a stage where the really interesting WH2016 polls are not the national ones but how well Clinton and Trump are doing in the key swing states where White House Elections are won and lost.  This is probably not more than ten and it is where all the intensive campaigning takes pace. It is helpful to show what happened in in Obama-Romney fights in 2012.

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  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited August 2016
    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Trump's done I think.

    With a bit of discipline he could have won on an economically populist platform but he has no interest in doing so.

    The parallels between Trump and Corbyn are quite striking.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    DfID has given £27 million to a charity whose lead organiser in Gaza has just been arrested for funnelling 60% of his budget to Hamas. World Vision’s Mohammed El-Halabi was seized in an operation by Israeli intelligence and is accused of moving “tens of millions” of aid money to Hamas’ military wing. A Hamas member, Halabi allegedly “infiltrated” World Vision in 2005 with the explicit intention to steal money and funnel it to fighters. He gave £5.5 million every year to the terror group – including 40% of the charity’s civilian project fund. World Vision is funded by the British taxpayer through DfiD’s aid programme

    http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/dfid-funding-hamas/

    Wonder what Jezza thinks of this?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    DavidL said:

    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?

    Looks like Jimmy's going to get a ban. Gave Bruce Oxenford a right volley.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    Shami Chakrabarti Tried To Send Her Son To Eton

    http://heatst.com/world/shami-chakrabarti-tried-to-send-her-son-to-eton/

    Nothing too good for the workers.
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?

    Looks like Jimmy's going to get a ban. Gave Bruce Oxenford a right volley.
    Pure frustration. No swing, no movement, great patience on the part of the Pakistani batsmen. It wasn't supposed to be like this.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    DavidL said:

    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?

    This is a problem I have talked about a number of times with England. We don't have enough variation in the bowling. 3-4 right arm bowlers of similar speed (albeit different style). No left arm or rapid pace or somebody who bowls weird wobblers.

    Once a batsman gets a good start against us, we don't seem to have any real weapons to dislodge them.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    PlatoSaid said:

    I remain jealous. We were very close to moving there a few years ago - I love the place - but not Zurich et al, then again I'm quite a bit older/rural sort so not after the buzz lifestyle.

    The rural part is what I'm not looking forward to! Should be there around January so I have a few weekends of skiing and jacuzzis ahead of me!
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
    I was thinking more about the four years to 1968. What was the chant "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

    I'm sure Hillary won't invade any countries though....
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?

    This is a problem I have talked about a number of times with England. We don't have enough variation in the bowling. 3-4 right arm bowlers of similar speed (albeit different style). No left arm or rapid pace or somebody who bowls weird wobblers.
    We miss Stokes but a decent left armer would have helped. There are days when our bowling looks more and more of the same.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    Looking very, very bleak for Trump at the moment but has Hillary had 2 whole months without a new scandal in her adult life? Its incredible how little press she is doing.

    Talking of bleak will England ever get another test wicket?

    This is a problem I have talked about a number of times with England. We don't have enough variation in the bowling. 3-4 right arm bowlers of similar speed (albeit different style). No left arm or rapid pace or somebody who bowls weird wobblers.
    We miss Stokes but a decent left armer would have helped. There are days when our bowling looks more and more of the same.
    Its a shame Mills back is permanently buggered for long form cricket. 95mph left arm...that gives anybody the hurry up, no matter how many they have on the board.

    We also used to have Swann, who was the best in the business after Muli retired.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    MaxPB said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I remain jealous. We were very close to moving there a few years ago - I love the place - but not Zurich et al, then again I'm quite a bit older/rural sort so not after the buzz lifestyle.

    The rural part is what I'm not looking forward to! Should be there around January so I have a few weekends of skiing and jacuzzis ahead of me!
    Congratulations on your new job and pending move Max. – Hope it all pans out for you.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
    I was thinking more about the four years to 1968. What was the chant "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

    I'm sure Hillary won't invade any countries though....
    Can't imagine where Mike got this idea from

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/761194173638778880
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Virtue signalling has real world effects:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/can-labour-trusted-britains-security-cant-manage/
  • AllyPally_Rob
    AllyPally_Rob Posts: 605
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
    Ditto, my 2nd favourite Texas politician, only behind the much missed Ann Richards.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
    I was thinking more about the four years to 1968. What was the chant "hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"

    I'm sure Hillary won't invade any countries though....
    Can't imagine where Mike got this idea from
    I always thought the LBJ voiceover on that advert made him sound like the nutter.

    "We must either love each other, or we must die," could have been said by Jim Jones.
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
  • runnymede
    runnymede Posts: 2,536
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DfID has given £27 million to a charity whose lead organiser in Gaza has just been arrested for funnelling 60% of his budget to Hamas. World Vision’s Mohammed El-Halabi was seized in an operation by Israeli intelligence and is accused of moving “tens of millions” of aid money to Hamas’ military wing. A Hamas member, Halabi allegedly “infiltrated” World Vision in 2005 with the explicit intention to steal money and funnel it to fighters. He gave £5.5 million every year to the terror group – including 40% of the charity’s civilian project fund. World Vision is funded by the British taxpayer through DfiD’s aid programme

    http://order-order.com/2016/08/04/dfid-funding-hamas/

    Wonder what Jezza thinks of this?

    Here's where the Brexit dividend could be really big now we have got rid of the guilt-merchants like Cameron
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Virtue signalling has real world effects:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/can-labour-trusted-britains-security-cant-manage/

    People that bang on about virtue signalling are virtue signalling. It's just a different set of virtues.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited August 2016
    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Virtue signalling has real world effects:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/can-labour-trusted-britains-security-cant-manage/

    I'm sure the Shadow Chancellor knows some heavies who could provide security.

    Although knee-capping for heckling the Leader of the Opposition might not garner the best Conference publicity...
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    As a counter-factual, imagine a race in which Jeb Bush is the Republican nominee and Trump is running as a third party candidate. Ignoring the electoral college arithmetic for a moment, that dynamic would probably have favoured Trump more.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    If I were confident enough I'd now be backing Hillary at 1.35 but I'm not confident I can read the US mood accurately enough.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    I'm not sure about that, I think a membership requirement may be added though. Trump wasn't a GOP member iirc.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    MarqueeMark said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Virtue signalling has real world effects:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/can-labour-trusted-britains-security-cant-manage/

    I'm sure the Shadow Chancellor knows some heavies who could provide security.

    Although knee-capping for heckling the Leader of the Opposition might not garner the best Conference publicity...
    Without a security plan, the whole conference is in jeopardy.

    But that, of course, would just be the result of a right-wing conspiracy.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    oxfordsimon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Virtue signalling has real world effects:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/can-labour-trusted-britains-security-cant-manage/

    I'm sure the Shadow Chancellor knows some heavies who could provide security.

    Although knee-capping for heckling the Leader of the Opposition might not garner the best Conference publicity...
    Without a security plan, the whole conference is in jeopardy.

    But that, of course, would just be the result of a right-wing conspiracy.
    I imagine most right-wing conspirators would rather the conference went ahead.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    Political parties here could have a rule like that. Say, you have to be a minister or a shadow minister. Would have saved the Tories a lot of trouble a few years ago and Labour a lot more now.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    To quote Jeremy Clarkson: "Having a black Amex is not like having a big house. That’s useful. And it’s not like having a big car. That’s more comfortable than a smaller one. It exists, solely, to impress. It has no other function."
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Massive landslide.

    I've always rated LBJ as a truly great President (Vietnam apart)
    Yes, truly. I suppose over here we'd put a statue up? Maybe something to do with civil rights I guess.
    I admit that when he died I felt bereaved.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    This case is now being borne out in Germany IMO. The banks are unprofitable and can't raise capital so they have to shed assets making it tougher to borrow money. Negative interest rates are just an exercise in value destruction, there doesn't seem to be any benefit.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    Or maybe introduce Superdelegates as per the Democrats?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    That's a form of stacking the deck though

    Only real way to stop another Trump is to seriously address the causes of Trump - immigration reform would be part of that.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    If you are a proper celeb tosser wannabe, Amex Red Card is what you need....then you can join the likes of Bono in booking first class tickets for your hat.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    edited August 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    not_on_fire said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    Were Trump to lose in November, I suspect the RNC will change the rules for eligibility to be the GOP candidate.

    You need to have been a current/former elected Governor/Senator to be the nominee.

    Would have caused problems for Eisenhower though...
    Or maybe introduce Superdelegates as per the Democrats?
    That would look very bad and lead to denied winner running as a third party candidate.

    Much easier to restrict the pool of candidates at the start
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.

    Of the euro airlines, I have always found Lufthansa superior to most.
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Yes. We should do something to try to counter the something else we did.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Not had a good experience with Virgin, though I've not been on a business flight with them. As a rule I try and avoid the middle eastern airlines as they are all state owned and run. I'm sure they are wonderful airlines but they don't play on the the same field as our privatised airlines.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Toms said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Yes. We should do something to try to counter the something else we did.
    Sure, please tell me how the rate cut and extra QE will help?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    edited August 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.
    BA once shunted me from first, to economy, left my luggage in London, didn't seem to care, then had to wait 4 days for them to return my luggage, and the gits initially said they wouldn't reimburse me for the clothes I had to buy to cover the 4 days I was without my luggage.

    Also BA once billed me 4 times for a different journey and I only got reimbursed when I rang Natwest Credit Card services to inform them of the situation and they put a chargeback on it.

    Virgin on the other hand have always been a delight
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.
    BA once shunted me from first, to economy, left my luggage in London, didn't seem to care, then had to wait 4 days for them to return my luggage, and the gits initially said they wouldn't reimburse me for the clothes I had to buy to cover the 4 days I was without my luggage.

    Also BA once billed me 4 times for a different journey and I only got reimbursed when I rang Natwest Credit Card services to inform them of the situation and they put a chargeback on it.

    Virgin on the other hand have always been a delight
    Your BA experience doesn't surprise me. They definitely have a very arrogant manner about things, but Virgin, its like long haul EasyJet.

    But then I might be a tad bias, because on a massively overbooked flight from San Francisco a few years ago I have negotiated free return flights anywhere in the world for giving up my seat,

    I was already on the net checking out where to visit in Australia, when at the very last second (and by that I mean literally they were just about to roll away) some tosser got lost in the airport and they cancelled my deal.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If you are a proper celeb tosser wannabe, Amex Red Card is what you need....

    I've heard of dwarf tossing but can't imaging how rich you'd need to be to engage in celeb tossing.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    You sound like Labour " it wasn't the policies if only this, if only that".
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    MaxPB said:

    Toms said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Yes. We should do something to try to counter the something else we did.
    Sure, please tell me how the rate cut and extra QE will help?
    I think I'm being ironic: as I watch my pensioner's savings melt away.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Virgin used to be excellent for business class. These days, the BA product is much improved, and IMHO is better. Emirates is very good, their business class makes excellent use of space, and you really feel separate from your neighbour.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Not had a good experience with Virgin, though I've not been on a business flight with them.
    They call it 'upper class'. Not too bad if you can stand purple mood lighting.
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.

    Of the euro airlines, I have always found Lufthansa superior to most.
    If you're just flying around Europe, they're all much of a muchness. It's when you're on a flight to Australia that you really care :)
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Ref Mike's comment about Romney possibly doing well in NH because of his term next door as governor, I don't think it made that big a difference. Bush lost NH by only 1.4% in 2004 so while it's not necessarily on the GOP path to the White House, it is likely to be in the mix of those that Trump would need. To be 15% down is only not disastrous because there are other proven routes to winning. It is, however, probably typical of a general position that is running close to disastrous.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding


    Every day they prove why we were right to vote Leave.

  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    nunu said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    You sound like Labour " it wasn't the policies if only this, if only that".
    I think there are loads of similarities between the Republicans and Labour.

    Economic populism + light racism is a combination that would have won this time around and will win in 4 years time. Whether there is a Republican politician out there able to carry it off is another matter.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    MarkHopkins said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding


    Every day they prove why we were right to vote Leave.

    And there is no way to enforce this - as once article 50 is triggered, the countdown has started and we are gone.

    So they can try enforcing it after we have left - good luck with that. They need a deal as much as we do.
  • edmundintokyo
    edmundintokyo Posts: 17,735
    I don't get how people have all these opinions about airlines, they all seem the same to me.

    If they had actual different value-added services like sedating me, crating me and shipping me directly from my house to my destination then I'd see the point of worrying about it, but as it is basically it's either got Game of Thrones on or it hasn't.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    https://youtu.be/WycwDYlOCDw
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    MarkHopkins said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding


    Every day they prove why we were right to vote Leave.

    Looks like £350 million a day was an underestimate.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    Lol, another vindication of our leave vote.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.

    Of the euro airlines, I have always found Lufthansa superior to most.
    If you're just flying around Europe, they're all much of a muchness. It's when you're on a flight to Australia that you really care :)
    Absolutely. Sub 3-4hrs, I don't give two hoots. I will sit on the wing (well maybe not), but I would certainly sit next to a very fat sweaty man on RyanAir if it meant I only paid a few quid. But anything more than that and it just starts to impact on your business trip / vacation (especially with time zone delays).

    I had some friends tried to vacation across Australia in just a 2 week period, by taking one of those flights that only touches down to basically refuel. They were totally fried the whole time they were there.
  • perdix
    perdix Posts: 1,806
    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Part of Carney's package is a deal that allows banks to continue to lend without loss of profitability.

  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.

    Of the euro airlines, I have always found Lufthansa superior to most.
    If you're just flying around Europe, they're all much of a muchness. It's when you're on a flight to Australia that you really care :)
    Absolutely. Sub 3-4hrs, I don't give two hoots. I will sit on the wing (well maybe not), but I would certainly sit next to a very fat sweaty man on RyanAir if it meant I only paid a few quid. But anything more than that and it just starts to impact on your business trip / vacation (especially with time zone delays).
    Hmm, having done flights to and from Zurich a lot I much prefer BA to Easyjet. More convenient flight times and BA goes from Heathrow or City, not Luton or Gatwick. Heathrow is great for me as I live within taxi distance of Hammersmith tube.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    perdix said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Part of Carney's package is a deal that allows banks to continue to lend without loss of profitability.

    I'd like to see how that works in practice and how they get companies who don't want credit to take on credit.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    edited August 2016
    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @MaxPB

    I'm not going to deny that - were I on 4,200 TPs a month before the end of my membership year, and should I have a few days with nothing to do... - I might consider such a run.

    If only so I could hang out with @Charles in the Concorde Room.

    And I thought I was bad when I was trying to get the Black American Express charge card
    Centurion criteria are pretty tough I think.
    I lost all interest when I found out what the annual fee and initiation fee was.

    I'm happy with my black Barclaycard and my Tesco clubcard credit card.
    Get the BA black card, I have collected more Avios than I thought possible. Great for club to first upgrades on long haul.
    I very rarely fly with BA, cannot stand them, shockingly bad experiences with them in the past.

    Much prefer to fly with Virgin or with one of the Middle Eastern lot
    Really..Virgin...really.....yuck.

    Of the euro airlines, I have always found Lufthansa superior to most.
    If you're just flying around Europe, they're all much of a muchness. It's when you're on a flight to Australia that you really care :)
    Absolutely. Sub 3-4hrs, I don't give two hoots. I will sit on the wing (well maybe not), but I would certainly sit next to a very fat sweaty man on RyanAir if it meant I only paid a few quid. But anything more than that and it just starts to impact on your business trip / vacation (especially with time zone delays).
    Hmm, having done flights to and from Zurich a lot I much prefer BA to Easyjet. More convenient flight times and BA goes from Heathrow or City, not Luton or Gatwick. Heathrow is great for me as I live within taxi distance of Hammersmith tube.
    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    England dropped another catch.

    I have a horrible feeling the Pakistanis are going to put up a big total and we have a classic collapse in the second innings.
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited August 2016
    DanSmith said:

    nunu said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    You sound like Labour " it wasn't the policies if only this, if only that".
    I think there are loads of similarities between the Republicans and Labour.

    Economic populism + light racism is a combination that would have won this time around and will win in 4 years time. Whether there is a Republican politician out there able to carry it off is another matter.
    Trump is going to win. Look at the hoohah over his criticism of this muslim chap. Left, establishment republicans and media utterly furious and WWC silently nodding in agreement waiting for polling day...

    It is almost a carbon copy of the Farage migrant poster outrage episode in the Brexit referendum.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Part of Carney's package is a deal that allows banks to continue to lend without loss of profitability.''

    Are these moves from Carney an implicit criticism of ECB policy I wonder? it does seem to have its counterproductive elements.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    That £350m a week's going to be spread thinner than the Flora on a supermodel's Ryvita.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    So Britain has been accumulating €25 billion of hidden liabilities whilst a member of the EU.

    We have news for the EU - we won't be paying for hidden liabilities and once we have left we won't be accruing any more either.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,731
    All 11 Russian boxers and one golfer who qualified for the Rio Olympics have been cleared to play at the Games.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation

    Sounds more like an attempt at extortion rather than negotiation.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    perdix said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Off topic I really despair at the action of the BoE today. The idea that such steps boost confidence is imbecilic. It smacks of panic.

    My colleague makes an excellent case that reducing interest rates to negligible amounts and engaging in excessive QE actually has the opposite of the desired effect by damaging the profitability of the banks. (In other words, you lower interest rates to encourage consumption and discourage deleveraging. But if banks become unprofitable, they shrink their balance sheets, and that reduces the availability of loans to businesses and consumers.)
    We must do something. This is something, therefore we should do this.
    Part of Carney's package is a deal that allows banks to continue to lend without loss of profitability.

    How so?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    David_Evershed said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation

    Sounds more like an attempt at extortion rather than negotiation.
    I reckon to get us to pay up they'll need everyone else to pay their outstanding dues.
  • runnymede
    runnymede Posts: 2,536
    David_Evershed said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation

    Sounds more like an attempt at extortion rather than negotiation.
    they can get lost
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    DanSmith said:

    nunu said:

    DanSmith said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DanSmith said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is going to be either 1964 all over again (I hope)

    Clinton = LBJ

    Trump = Goldwater

    How did that work out for LBJ?
    Also, Goldwater changed the Republican party forever. Not a bad legacy for Trump if he does the same.
    Post defeat he was awesome, I don't think Trump has the depth.
    Maybe not, but someone serious about winning, standing on the same economic policies as Trump, would beat Clinton pretty easily in 4 years time.

    The Republican establishment would hate it but not sure what they can do about it.
    You sound like Labour " it wasn't the policies if only this, if only that".
    I think there are loads of similarities between the Republicans and Labour.

    Economic populism + light racism is a combination that would have won this time around and will win in 4 years time. Whether there is a Republican politician out there able to carry it off is another matter.
    Trump is going to win. Look at the hoohah over his criticism of this muslim chap. Left, establishment republicans and media utterly furious and WWC silently nodding in agreement waiting for polling day...

    It is almost a carbon copy of the Farage migrant poster outrage episode in the Brexit referendum.
    How do you know the American WWC are "nodding in agreement"? They don't take too kindly to slights against miliayary families.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    David_Evershed said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation
    Sounds more like an attempt at extortion rather than negotiation.
    Hasn’t Reste à liquide (RAL) been knocking around for a few years now and is only a notional UK proportion of an outstanding debt, created by successive EU budgetary deficits?

  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
    Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    ThreeQuidder said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
    Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?
    Doesn't look like it.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327
    edited August 2016
    David_Evershed said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    So Britain has been accumulating €25 billion of hidden liabilities whilst a member of the EU.

    We have news for the EU - we won't be paying for hidden liabilities and once we have left we won't be accruing any more either.
    How does it go again?
    If you walk away from your share of the debt that you helped incur, you'll become an international pariah. ©Project Fear I
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Unless things have changed massively it's the entertainment system that wins it for Virgin every time vs BA.

    Am flying with them tomorrow AAMOF v much looking forward to it; a soft landing (!!) for the end of a holiday.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    All 11 Russian boxers and one golfer who qualified for the Rio Olympics have been cleared to play at the Games.

    I do wonder what reaction the Russian team is going to get tomorrow. I would just greet them with silence. But I suspect booing will occur.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    ThreeQuidder said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
    Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?
    That is a joke, right?

    http://trains.im/ppm/ET
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    All part of the negotiation
    Volunteer to pay our bill 24 hours after France pay theirs.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    I checked the markets when I did my thread header.

    The only value was a few BF pennies in Colorado, which I took up, and California at 1.05 (if you're happy to tie your money up).

  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    ThreeQuidder said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
    Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?
    I lived in north London at the time, Victoria was not much better than Gatwick.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I think the travel time is valid. If you are dicking around at stupid o' clock while also messing about getting from south of London to Luton (basically spending more time than the actual flight) to save a few quid it doesn't really work out.

    Yes and a lot of the time it is a false economy, once one adds in the cost of transportation to and from the airport the difference between BA and Easyjet is normally quite small. What really put me off Easyjet was coming back from Zurich on the late flight which was then delayed, huge queue ar Gatwick for passport control and I missed the last train. Uber didn't exist then so I ended up booking into the airport hotel. To save £60 on the flight I spent £20 on the train and £90 on a hotel!
    Gatwick Express runs 24 hours, doesn't it?
    Doesn't look like it.
    I checked. GEX doesn't but Southern does.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Theuniondivvie said:

    David_Evershed said:

    JonathanD said:

    Brussels finds a long forgotten credit card statement down the back of the sofa.


    "Britain owes the European Union tens of billions of euros that Brussels will insist is paid out before the country leaves the 28-nation bloc, sources in Brussels have told Handelsblatt’s sister publication WirtschaftsWoche.

    Britain is hardly the only country with outstanding payments. The European Union has for years been moving around a debt mountain totaling more than €200 billion, known as “Reste à liquider” (RAL). A high-ranking E.U. official said Britain’s portion amounts to €25 billion."

    https://global.handelsblatt.com/breaking/exclusive-britain-has-a-e25-billion-e-u-bill-outstanding

    So Britain has been accumulating €25 billion of hidden liabilities whilst a member of the EU.

    We have news for the EU - we won't be paying for hidden liabilities and once we have left we won't be accruing any more either.
    How does it go again?
    If you walk away from your share of the debt that you helped incur, you'll become an international pariah. ©Project Fear I
    I know - we can agree to pay it if we ever rejoin the EU... sounds fair to me.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Jonathan said:

    https://youtu.be/WycwDYlOCDw


    Clinton should show this in her election campaign adverts. Authenticity oozes and it will attract some Republicans votes.
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