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Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.0
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Last post by @IOS is classic:
11:02pm 6 May 2015
So here is the question. When will we reach peak over excitement tomorrow. Will it be when there are very bad swings for Labour in the north east or when the rumours of the SNP winning everything start to fly.
Whatever it is - there will be some that just can't believe that ED IS PM.0 -
Wait for Hollande.williamglenn said:Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.
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RobD said:
Would be rude to do one while Labour are in the middle of a leadership electionDaveDave said:Tories should aspire to a GE. majority wafer thin and a lot changes in a week. Crack on.
stupidly, I mis-wrote that. Tories should NOT aspire. But, I see your point, pop a quickie in 3 weeks it takes to call and have an election. Look at the UKIP opinion poll figures. Are they finished post Brexit?RobD said:
Would be rude to do one while Labour are in the middle of a leadership electionDaveDave said:Tories should aspire to a GE. majority wafer thin and a lot changes in a week. Crack on.
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Negotiations with British government is always exhausting- she sounds relieved to be rid of us!0
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Heart of stone etc.MarkHopkins said:Last post by @IOS is classic:
11:02pm 6 May 2015
So here is the question. When will we reach peak over excitement tomorrow. Will it be when there are very bad swings for Labour in the north east or when the rumours of the SNP winning everything start to fly.
Whatever it is - there will be some that just can't believe that ED IS PM.0 -
Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.0
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To be honest, if I were May, I wouldn't even bother remembering his name. She should be batting her eyelashes at M. Juppe.Casino_Royale said:
Wait for Hollande.williamglenn said:Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.
I'd wager that part of the reason we're delaying article 50 is just to spike his electoral guns.0 -
JCICIPM!!!!Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
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Gary Johnson alludes to Jeb Bush support.
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Little point in negotiation with Hollande when he will be gone next year - and his replacement will be from the other side of the political spectrumCasino_Royale said:
Wait for Hollande.williamglenn said:Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Curse temperamental Helios!
Mr. Jonathan, you tinker.0 -
She does speak English.SimonStClare said:
Russian was compulsory in the East, until the wall came down. Can’t expect Frau Merkle to speak English as well, she’s not a rocket scientist…FeersumEnjineeya said:
Having grown up in the East, her English is probably not that brilliant.John_M said:Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German
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That's the ticket, never give up, never surrender – and keep practicing your rictus grinJonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
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That's pretty impressive, considering she's likely to have had to learn English from scratch as an adult.surbiton said:
She does speak English.SimonStClare said:
Russian was compulsory in the East, until the wall came down. Can’t expect Frau Merkle to speak English as well, she’s not a rocket scientist…FeersumEnjineeya said:
Having grown up in the East, her English is probably not that brilliant.John_M said:Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German
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Good evening, surely, Mr D?Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Curse temperamental Helios!
Mr. Jonathan, you tinker.0 -
Thing is - you're so dry - I don't actually know if you're joking or not.Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
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Mr Dancer, I've forgotten how much I hateMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Curse temperamental Helios!
Mr. Jonathan, you tinker.space travelhot weather!0 -
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Frau Merkel spoke to parliament in 2014 and joked about her English – I’s OK (ish)FeersumEnjineeya said:
That's pretty impressive, considering she's likely to have had to learn English from scratch as an adult.surbiton said:
She does speak English.SimonStClare said:
Russian was compulsory in the East, until the wall came down. Can’t expect Frau Merkle to speak English as well, she’s not a rocket scientist…FeersumEnjineeya said:
Having grown up in the East, her English is probably not that brilliant.John_M said:Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German
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He's doing his best impression of those clueless Corbynites.Casino_Royale said:
Thing is - you're so dry - I don't actually know if you're joking or not.Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
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You mean, soon to be exPresident HollandeCasino_Royale said:
Wait for Hollande.williamglenn said:Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
Not that we did not know that this could be coming.0 -
Sky - Sam Allardyce to be appointed England manager in the next 24 hrs0
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Mr. Rentool, you're right to correct me. Vile humidity is to blame for the error, quite clearly.
Dr. Prasannan, it's deeply aggravating.0 -
I don't know why she is bothering. She should be snubbing Hollande and meeting with Juppé or Sarkozy. Hollande has no chance of winning.rcs1000 said:
You mean, soon to be exPresident HollandeCasino_Royale said:
Wait for Hollande.williamglenn said:Seems to be quite good chemistry between Merkel and May.
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"Not one step back!"SimonStClare said:
That's the ticket, never give up, never surrender – and keep practicing your rictus grinJonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
"Ни шагу назад!"
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Yes I remember the great Strawberry shortage of 2004.surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
Not that we did not know that this could be coming.0 -
Apparently the FA have their man.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/sam-allardyce-to-be-confirmed-as-the-new-england-manager-a3295996.html0 -
I live on the Herefordshire border. We've had seasonal workers coming over for the harvest since well before I was born and certainly before the EEC was even a thing.surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
Not that we did not know that this could be coming.
Just add another class of tier 5 visa. Job done.0 -
Best man for the job tbh. Hopefully he won't be as bad a Roy and the players will get behind him. It's a classic appointment for a team in trouble though, and England are a team in trouble.TheScreamingEagles said:Sky - Sam Allardyce to be appointed England manager in the next 24 hrs
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I don't understand what you mean.Casino_Royale said:
Thing is - you're so dry - I don't actually know if you're joking or not.Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
I accept Jeremy has a battle. Not only does he have to fight the Tories, but also has to take on the conspiracy of the PLP, Blairites, the BBC, the Right wing press, the Internet and the wider electorate.0 -
Labour are now the Hooray Henrys of politics. Rich, thick and useless.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
£25 is not a lot for the bourgeois London supporters mummy and daddy will pay it.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Well, at least the new England manager won't be Chris Evans.0
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I suspect now we will just ship the strawberries in from abroad rather than bother with seasonal workers who just bump up the immigration figures.John_M said:
I live on the Herefordshire border. We've had seasonal workers coming over for the harvest since well before I was born and certainly before the EEC was even a thing.surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
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The great thing about Allardyce is that he is a proven winner, has personally reedefined what top flight football is about and is a natural fit in any of the top European clubs or International sides.ToryJim said:Apparently the FA have their man.
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Wow, 180,000. Where the hell have they come from. Assuming that a few £3er Tories arenot participation this time and a few more became full Labour members, that's a lot more than registered last time. Clearly most will be Corbynistas, but my guess is that a fair number of anti-Corbyn's have signed up too. That could become a base from which to organise a new party after Corbyn wins again. I don't think there will be a split, but if there is it will be a very different one to the early 80s.0
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The fund to buy Admiralty Arch for Corbyn is off to a good start then.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Corbyn had better not resign now, or else we'd have to give the money back!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It should clear their massive debts - smart move.nunu said:
Lol. They won it for Remain as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
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In which case he might just resign then.SandyRentool said:
Corbyn had better not resign now, or else we'd have to give the money back!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Is there a way of checking that no one has become a "supporter" multiple times ? £25 - many are Tories. They can afford it.SandyRentool said:
Corbyn had better not resign now, or else we'd have to give the money back!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not a bad way to get some cash in. We should have elections regularly.0 -
At least the 'Labour's broke' jokes will no longer happen.RobD said:
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Short term immigration isn't included in the net migration figures.JonathanD said:
I suspect now we will just ship the strawberries in from abroad rather than bother with seasonal workers who just bump up the immigration figures.John_M said:
I live on the Herefordshire border. We've had seasonal workers coming over for the harvest since well before I was born and certainly before the EEC was even a thing.surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/brexit-farm-labour-shortages-fruit-vegetable-harvests-national-farmers-union
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Good point all Tories are filthy rich.surbiton said:
Is there a way of checking that no one has become a "supporter" multiple times ? £25 - many are Tories. They can afford it.SandyRentool said:
Corbyn had better not resign now, or else we'd have to give the money back!TheScreamingEagles said:
Not a bad way to get some cash in. We should have elections regularly.0 -
Maybe charging a fee to take part in elections should also be the national strategy to pay off the debt. We might also get better outcomes.surbiton said:Not a bad way to get some cash in. We should have elections regularly.
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Why not Matt Le Blanc ? I prefer him to Clarkson.Morris_Dancer said:Well, at least the new England manager won't be Chris Evans.
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May now urgently needs to sell her shoes to shore up the Tory war chest. 0
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Jeremy Corbyn is the Bernie Sanders of british politics.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lot's of potential for mass fundraising, what to do with the funds though is another matter.0 -
Well, we did use to run regular lotteries to raise money, around the time of the South Sea Bubble - things did not go well.williamglenn said:
Maybe charging a fee to take part in elections should also be the national strategy to pay off the debt. We might also get better outcomes.surbiton said:Not a bad way to get some cash in. We should have elections regularly.
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Big Sam did well with West Ham 2011-2015.MaxPB said:
Best man for the job tbh. Hopefully he won't be as bad a Roy and the players will get behind him. It's a classic appointment for a team in trouble though, and England are a team in trouble.TheScreamingEagles said:Sky - Sam Allardyce to be appointed England manager in the next 24 hrs
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Labour Party does not have an overdraft since last year.kle4 said:
At least the 'Labour's broke' jokes will no longer happen.RobD said:
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Don't worry.. it'll be wasted on pink buseskle4 said:
At least the 'Labour's broke' jokes will no longer happen.RobD said:
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
German press getting after Boris. This is going to get really tedious, although it was inevitable. Theresa May will skin him alive if he messes this up.0
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Thanks to the three quidders no doubt. Though I understand they had gotten their finances mostly in order by then already.surbiton said:
Labour Party does not have an overdraft since last year.kle4 said:
At least the 'Labour's broke' jokes will no longer happen.RobD said:
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
New formation. 5 - 5. Hoof the ball up and run ! No midfielders needed any more.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Big Sam did well with West Ham 2011-2015.MaxPB said:
Best man for the job tbh. Hopefully he won't be as bad a Roy and the players will get behind him. It's a classic appointment for a team in trouble though, and England are a team in trouble.TheScreamingEagles said:Sky - Sam Allardyce to be appointed England manager in the next 24 hrs
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Well done! Shame you couldn't leave the country in a similar statesurbiton said:
Labour Party does not have an overdraft since last year.kle4 said:
At least the 'Labour's broke' jokes will no longer happen.RobD said:
Very good for Labour's coffers!!TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
Mr. Surbiton, can't comment as I intended to watch New Top Gear episode 1, but couldn't make it past the opening credits.0
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It deflects any s*** from her and Davis. As planned.LadyBucket said:German press getting after Boris. This is going to get really tedious, although it was inevitable. Theresa May will skin him alive if he messes this up.
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don't forget the Yougov today, what did they ask only Tories or something? Jeremy even has to fight the pollsters its a wonder he's doing as well as he is.Jonathan said:
I don't understand what you mean.Casino_Royale said:
Thing is - you're so dry - I don't actually know if you're joking or not.Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
I accept Jeremy has a battle. Not only does he have to fight the Tories, but also has to take on the conspiracy of the PLP, Blairites, the BBC, the Right wing press, the Internet and the wider electorate.
The Tory pollsters are bound to fail. Tory plots everywhere.0 -
Mr. Bedfordshire, almost like a whipping boy.0
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May PM questions - even a pearl necklace.
Where is spitting image when it is needed.
If she does as good a job at being PM as Thatcher no one will want another man in the job.
Today was vintage Thatcher with a bit of "Hello Boys" thrown in.0 -
How much is Tory membership, just out of mild curiosity?ToryJim said:
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Full membership is £25, under 23 it is £5 istr.Sunil_Prasannan said:
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The poor Tories with their smaller membership must really be struggling for funds.John_M said:
Labour are now the Hooray Henrys of politics. Rich, thick and useless.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Mind you Boris has just said - "For the heatwave we have beautiful German Water Cannon".Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bedfordshire, almost like a whipping boy.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/boris-johnson-still-trying-find-use-water-cannon/0 -
Jeremy's biggest battle is in the courts with this one. If he makes it through that then it's a penalty kick with the goalie tied to the post.0
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Merkel seems keen to stress it will be a UK/EU relationship, not a UK/German relationship. Playing Article 50 by the book, I guess.0
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I want Matt Le Blanc as the England football manager.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Surbiton, can't comment as I intended to watch New Top Gear episode 1, but couldn't make it past the opening credits.
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I cant help thinking that we are fortunate that Leninspart did not go back into HoC.ToryJim said:0 -
This is really interesting. Anecdotally, I know a number of £3 Tories who haven't signed up this time (on the basis that either way, Smith or Corbyn, TM will deliver the political equivalent of a brutal pegging that will see them walking funny for the rest of their life); I think these 180k registrations actually mean it. You have to think that only a cult would generate this kind of following, but who knows? There could be an outside chance of a real upset, here.SouthamObserver said:Wow, 180,000. Where the hell have they come from. Assuming that a few £3er Tories arenot participation this time and a few more became full Labour members, that's a lot more than registered last time. Clearly most will be Corbynistas, but my guess is that a fair number of anti-Corbyn's have signed up too. That could become a base from which to organise a new party after Corbyn wins again. I don't think there will be a split, but if there is it will be a very different one to the early 80s.
Probably not, though.0 -
Ta, so the SJWs of Labour are charging the same price!!ToryJim said:
Full membership is £25, under 23 it is £5 istr.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Newt Labour would have been worth the £25.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I cant help thinking that we are fortunate that Leninspart did not go back into HoC.ToryJim said:0 -
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Mr. 43, worth noting she has an election not too far off. That may be for domestic consumption.
Mr. Bedfordshire, he could've said worse, one imagines.0 -
I'm not sure there is much difference between the two relationship modes.FF43 said:Merkel seems keen to stress it will be a UK/EU relationship, not a UK/German relationship. Playing Article 50 by the book, I guess.
Merkel just neglects to appoint Gaulitiers and lets them all keep their flags and languages unlike her predecessors.0 -
Well Labour has a war chest for the next election anyway. Could still go in legal fees fighting itself, mind.0
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williamglenn said:
Newt Labour would have been worth the £25.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I cant help thinking that we are fortunate that Leninspart did not go back into HoC.ToryJim said: 0 -
There are quite a lot of local by-elections tomorrow ...10 according the ALDC site. Might give an idea of how the public sees things.0
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Sounds like the Terri and Angie show could be quite good.
"The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg asks the two leaders what they make of each other.
Theresa May says Angela Merkel and she are "two women who, if I may say so, get on with the job".
"Genau!" says Mrs Merkel - "Exactly!""0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTTJmJSHkkPulpstar said:Jeremy's biggest battle is in the courts with this one. If he makes it through that then it's a penalty kick with the goalie tied to the post.
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At some point, I think we already passed it, it will be cheaper to get the same education outside of a university than in.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
I think the time has come to split the university exams from universities.
If someone has the knowledge to pass a university exam without studying in a university, then he is just as good as someone who passed the same exam but went into a university, and should be recognized as such.
Like a Bar Examination, in the USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_examination
The universities are simply abusing their monopoly position of issuing degrees to force their students to pay for unrelated expenses, breaking that monopoly and introducing competition is essential to reduce the cost of education.0 -
Mr. Bedfordshire, that's a disgraceful post about Germany. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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There are certainly differences between Merkel and FM Steinmeier who is in different party within her coalition, precisely because of the election. I don't think this is an example of that. It may be her famous caution. By involving all other EU countries in any decision it allows her to delay coming to any viewMorris_Dancer said:Mr. 43, worth noting she has an election not too far off. That may be for domestic consumption.
Mr. Bedfordshire, he could've said worse, one imagines.0 -
Mr. Jim, knowing the broadcasters it'll be put on at the same time as the Boris, David and Liam sitcom 0
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The toothpaste guy. What an epitaphJohn_M said:
No he vanished, just like Ash (toothpaste guy).MaxPB said:
Has he come back since May? And that other one, the toothpaste guy.TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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Lib dem gains.OldKingCole said:There are quite a lot of local by-elections tomorrow ...10 according the ALDC site. Might give an idea of how the public sees things.
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Yeah these 180k really really mean it - I think the number of Tories having some fun last time was very small anyway.Animal_pb said:
This is really interesting. Anecdotally, I know a number of £3 Tories who haven't signed up this time (on the basis that either way, Smith or Corbyn, TM will deliver the political equivalent of a brutal pegging that will see them walking funny for the rest of their life); I think these 180k registrations actually mean it. You have to think that only a cult would generate this kind of following, but who knows? There could be an outside chance of a real upset, here.SouthamObserver said:Wow, 180,000. Where the hell have they come from. Assuming that a few £3er Tories arenot participation this time and a few more became full Labour members, that's a lot more than registered last time. Clearly most will be Corbynistas, but my guess is that a fair number of anti-Corbyn's have signed up too. That could become a base from which to organise a new party after Corbyn wins again. I don't think there will be a split, but if there is it will be a very different one to the early 80s.
Probably not, though.0 -
May hardly has her problems to seek but it does seem that there is likely to
be some serious issues with the state of the Royal Navy. Apparently, during the furor over the Brexit campaign, it seems to have gone unnoticed that our expensive new Type 45 Destroyers don't actually work.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/destroyers-will-break-down-if-sent-to-middle-east-admits-royal-navy
And now it seems that the Type 26 are on an indefinite hold. Let's ignore how this is another broken promise from the Scottish referendum and just consider that it now means at least another 15 to 20 years of Type 23s providing the bulk of the Royal Navy.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/navy-fleet-global-combat-frigates-type-26-indefinitely-delayed-mod-mps-clyde-shipbuilding
Perhaps these considerations should have been more important before £31bn short term was committed to replace the Vanguard Fleet. I think the Astute hunter-killers still have some serious problems but let's assume they are working.
As things stand, in 10 years time, the Royal Navy will consist of one over-sized Aircraft Carrier which can't be deployed in the gulf (because the escort destroyers can't operate there), a destroyer fleet with serious issues, an aging backbone of light frigates of relatively limited functionality, hopefully a functional fleet of HK subs and a couple of old but useful Assault ships.
This does seem to be a somewhat weak fleet for the defence of an island which claims to be a global player.Have the Tories just given up on defence now they've agreed to a new generation of Trident which has no military function whatsoever, it is no use for counter-terrorism, can't be used in a real conflict, and isn't even viable as a deterrent.0 -
Jonathan said:
I don't understand what you mean.Casino_Royale said:
Thing is - you're so dry - I don't actually know if you're joking or not.Jonathan said:Corbyn was brilliant in the Commons today. An inspired tour de force.
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There will be a honeymoon period for the new government that lasts from 3-6 months.OldKingCole said:There are quite a lot of local by-elections tomorrow ...10 according the ALDC site. Might give an idea of how the public sees things.
Every new PM in the world got one since polling began.0 -
How has it gone unnoticed if reported in the national press? *innocent face*Lowlander said:May hardly has her problems to seek but it does seem that there is likely to
be some serious issues with the state of the Royal Navy. Apparently, during the furor over the Brexit campaign, it seems to have gone unnoticed that our expensive new Type 45 Destroyers don't actually work.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/destroyers-will-break-down-if-sent-to-middle-east-admits-royal-navy
And now it seems that the Type 26 are on an indefinite hold. Let's ignore how this is another broken promise from the Scottish referendum and just consider that it now means at least another 15 to 20 years of Type 23s providing the bulk of the Royal Navy.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/20/navy-fleet-global-combat-frigates-type-26-indefinitely-delayed-mod-mps-clyde-shipbuilding
Perhaps these considerations should have been more important before £31bn short term was committed to replace the Vanguard Fleet. I think the Astute hunter-killers still have some serious problems but let's assume they are working.
As things stand, in 10 years time, the Royal Navy will consist of one over-sized Aircraft Carrier which can't be deployed in the gulf (because the escort destroyers can't operate there), a destroyer fleet with serious issues, an aging backbone of light frigates of relatively limited functionality, hopefully a functional fleet of HK subs and a couple of old but useful Assault ships.
This does seem to be a somewhat weak fleet for the defence of an island which claims to be a global player.Have the Tories just given up on defence now they've agreed to a new generation of Trident which has no military function whatsoever, it is no use for counter-terrorism, can't be used in a real conflict, and isn't even viable as a deterrent.0
