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Been out today... blimey that put down about an unscrupulous boss was 'off the scale'...
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It was a little on the hot side yesfoxinsoxuk said:
Skegness must have been a bit less bracing than usual on Monday.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh yeah, on Monday, returned from Skegness towards Nottingham on the 1730 which by-passed Grantham allowing me to do the Allington Curvefoxinsoxuk said:
I have travelled by train in Spain, France, Germany, Poland, Czech, Slovakia and Hungary in recent years. The only ones that let me down were the French and Germans. The Germans twice! On both the long distance trains that I took with DB.Patrick said:Sunil, you're a train geek (this is a compliment). Why are trains in 2016 affected by rain, snow, lightning and hot weather. I've spent a lot of hours delayed at Waterloo just recently and was wondering if the UK is uniquely plagued by unreliable trains or if the worldwide technology is better than ours. How hard can it be to design a rain, snow and heat indifferent/tolerant train?
But my ticket from Nottingham to Skeggie return was less than a Labour Party leadership (2016 edition) vote!0 -
It is down to numbers of MP's , the LD's are nonentities , couln not fill a taxi.peter_from_putney said:Although I watch PMQs only infrequently, I've noticed that Angus Robertson is allowed to ask two questions every Wednesday - it always seems to be him and not another SNP member, although I do recall that last week at Dave's swansong, a rather unpleasant female SNP MP, whose name I can't recall, droned on for about two minutes, her face contorted with bitterness, completely failing to capture the otherwise generous mood of the House towards the outgoing Prime Minister.
Is this now part of the formalised deal at PMQs or simply at the Speaker's discretion?
The LibDems must be spitting blood with poor Two Taxis Tim just being squeezed in and unceremoiously slapped down by La May at 12.36 pm according to my watch.
Robertson is the SNP Leader in Westminster hence why he asks most of teh questions.0 -
From DeaconScrapheap_as_was said:Been out today... blimey that put down about an unscrupulous boss was 'off the scale'...
Naturally enough, Tory MPs were in ecstasy. They were wailing, gasping, groaning for more. Their excitement was downright unseemly.
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Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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That's right. Despite various factions champing at the bit, May is perfectly correct to remain opaque. We can't say what Brexit means because it's not within our gift. Most of the have cake/eat cake people would love it if we managed, SM please, no FoM. Some have fantasised about that in public. It's nonsense.IanB2 said:
The government cannot tell us what Brexit means, despite now being official policy nearly a month after we voted for it. So I don't think it is reasonable to expect the LibDems to spell out what rejoining would look like so soon!stodge said:
No offence intended, my friend. I wouldn't say it's been adulation but more a "hope" that "somehow" the EU will be able to reform itself to something more to the UK's liking. If it takes the threat of our departure or indeed our actual departure to bring about that change, I'll appreciate the irony.John_M said:I'm offended
. I have never heard anything but adulation from any Lib Dem spokesman. There's occasionally been a soundbite about 'a reformed EU', but I don't think it's just laziness that's lead me to believe that the Lib Dems are crazed on the topic. That Farron is even contemplating (as you say, sans opt outs) leading us back in says it all.
Tempering it to as much cooperation as possible (e.g. Horizon, Erasmus, ITER, ESA, CERN etc) is fine.
Farron's position needs defining - on June 23rd, we didn't just reject Cameron's renegotiated terms, we voted to Leave the EU. Now, saying we should rejoin the EU is a valid position - no problem there - but there seems an implicit assumption from Farron we can simply walk back in as though nothing had happened.
We shouldn't and can't - can we negotiate terms for our re-entry from the EU ? In theory, no but in practice, yes. It seems unrealistic to assume all the opt-outs will be handed back without a word and the elephant in the room, the Euro, will still be there. If the price of Britain returning to the EU is the Euro, no one here will pay it.
As I see it, we can't return to the EU without making commitments on the Single Market and control of our borders that a majority specifically rejected on June 23rd. If we are offered membership of the EU without being a net contributor, with control of our borders and without having to sign up to the full panoply of the Single Market, fantastic. I just can't see that ever being on the table.
We have 27 counterparties to deal with (well, realistically a dozen or so). We know that we'd like to take control of immigration, but the degree to which we can do so under the various treaty umbrellas is again, dependent on the concessions the EU require.
Talking about what we want prior to actual negotiations is to repeat Cameron's mistake.0 -
I see no argument for increasing the size of the current deterrent. Improvements in missile technology should ensure a greater percentage will launch "successfully" and the difference between 180 and 220 isn't worth worrying about in terms of deterrence. On that basis, I think we can reduce the numbers - currently it's 220, Blair suggested 160, I'd go with 180 but it's not that important.Casino_Royale said:
There is a minimum, though. You do need sufficient numbers of missiles and flexibility of delivery options to make the deterrent threat real.
Some missiles may not launch, some may fail to reach their targets, some may not detonate and you have to threaten enough places to make your deterrent a scary prospect.
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I thought Owen Smith had said that the other dayTissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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Only 160 warheads are operational according to Wikipedia.stodge said:
I see no argument for increasing the size of the current deterrent. Improvements in missile technology should ensure a greater percentage will launch "successfully" and the difference between 180 and 220 isn't worth worrying about in terms of deterrence. On that basis, I think we can reduce the numbers - currently it's 220, Blair suggested 160, I'd go with 180 but it's not that important.Casino_Royale said:
There is a minimum, though. You do need sufficient numbers of missiles and flexibility of delivery options to make the deterrent threat real.
Some missiles may not launch, some may fail to reach their targets, some may not detonate and you have to threaten enough places to make your deterrent a scary prospect.0 -
Andrea Leadsom’s responsibilities for climate change have been thrown into confusion after a Government department suggested she had been stripped of her sole role in combating global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cabinet-office-publishes-plan-to-strip-andrea-leadsom-of-sole-climate-change-role_uk_578eb1f3e4b0b545e5cbe63c?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk&0 -
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
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I believe Tim Bale is a Labour supporter.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!0 -
Hubris. Negotiating our way out of a 43-year old relationship in a slowing global economy while borrowing £75 billion p.a. (with more to come) and an 83% debt/GDP ratio is hardly the stuff of political dreams. May needs to stay gritty, realistic and humble (would also be grateful if Davis could stfu as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
PS @David_Evershed Thanks for the link earlier. Very interesting. I am, apparently, a Liberal, if not an LD.0 -
Surely we have installed bombs in our embassy in Moscow (and the Russians in theirs in London) - why go to the uncertainty of a missile delivery system when it is easier by DHL?stodge said:
I see no argument for increasing the size of the current deterrent. Improvements in missile technology should ensure a greater percentage will launch "successfully" and the difference between 180 and 220 isn't worth worrying about in terms of deterrence. On that basis, I think we can reduce the numbers - currently it's 220, Blair suggested 160, I'd go with 180 but it's not that important.Casino_Royale said:
There is a minimum, though. You do need sufficient numbers of missiles and flexibility of delivery options to make the deterrent threat real.
Some missiles may not launch, some may fail to reach their targets, some may not detonate and you have to threaten enough places to make your deterrent a scary prospect.
I should stress that as my grandfather worked for Vickers Armstong in Barrow we should still build the subs!!0 -
Nor indeed appeared in any.DavidL said:
If you thought Cameron was genuinely angry and losing his temper then I suspect you have not conducted many court hearings.CarlottaVance said:FPT:
At least Theresa doesn't go red in the face and get shouty - I thought she kept an even temper throughoutDavidL said:Not a bad effort. Still miss Dave though.
But that's the first time I've read someone argue that Cameron's flushing was other than involuntary....
Absence does indeed make the heart grow fonder....
Or is that Absinthe.....?0 -
It is interesting how many Tories, both Remainers and Leavers, wets and dries etc, are all unified in thinking David Davis as Brexit Secretary is a disaster waiting to happen.John_M said:
Hubris. Negotiating our way out of a 43-year old relationship in a slowing global economy while borrowing £75 billion p.a. (with more to come) and an 83% debt/GDP ratio is hardly the stuff of political dreams. May needs to stay gritty, realistic and humble (would also be grateful if Davis could stfu as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Liam Fox would have done a better job.0 -
"The Cabinet Office on Tuesday published a paper entitled ‘Machinery of Government’"TheScreamingEagles said:Andrea Leadsom’s responsibilities for climate change have been thrown into confusion after a Government department suggested she had been stripped of her sole role in combating global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cabinet-office-publishes-plan-to-strip-andrea-leadsom-of-sole-climate-change-role_uk_578eb1f3e4b0b545e5cbe63c?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk&
Well straight away you can tell the author doesn't understand what they are reading!0 -
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!0 -
She's going to be busy delivering LEAVE's promises placating farmers...TheScreamingEagles said:Andrea Leadsom’s responsibilities for climate change have been thrown into confusion after a Government department suggested she had been stripped of her sole role in combating global warming.
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By cutting the budgets of local authorities so much that there is no civic life any more.Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
But I do agree - the Tories will win big. Which is why she's going to the country this year.0 -
I do forget the howls of protest, Mr Felix, mainly because aside from on here I have not actually heard them, at least not for a long time (brown's 75p increase I think was the last time). I do however hear my contemporaries saying how daft it is that they are still given winter fuel allowance and bus passes when they do not need them.felix said:
Lol. Take your point but you are conveniently forgetting the howls of protest if there is even the hint of a suggestion that pensioners take their share of the cuts. And I speak as one.HurstLlama said:
I know of no pensioner who is more concerned for themselves than they are for their offspring. You may wish to consider the idea that pensioners maybe more willing to vote Conservative has bugger all to do with having "money thrown at them" but something to do with people who have seen life making a mature judgement about which party is likely to produce the best life chances for their children and, especially, grandchildren.SouthamObserver said:
And the Tories have been throwing money at them for six years :-)chestnut said:Pensioners:
Tory 58 Labour 15 UKIP 13
Old folk - the children of Beveridge - have written Labour off.
They know their client vote.
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'Under-promise and over-deliver' is the hoariest of all old business chestnuts. We're about to do hard things. Tone is incredibly important.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is interesting how many Tories, both Remainers and Leavers, wets and dries etc, are all unified in thinking David Davis as Brexit Secretary is a disaster waiting to happen.John_M said:
Hubris. Negotiating our way out of a 43-year old relationship in a slowing global economy while borrowing £75 billion p.a. (with more to come) and an 83% debt/GDP ratio is hardly the stuff of political dreams. May needs to stay gritty, realistic and humble (would also be grateful if Davis could stfu as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
Liam Fox would have done a better job.0 -
Is this a prelude to an honour killing or is that too unPC?Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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That was the SNP in generous mood....peter_from_putney said:, a rather unpleasant female SNP MP, whose name I can't recall, droned on for about two minutes, her face contorted with bitterness, completely failing to capture the otherwise generous mood of the House towards the outgoing Prime Minister.
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After the 1992 election, I doubt very much many Tory MPs thought they were 'unbeatable'. Mr Blair quickly destroyed any notion of 'hubris', even if any existed. As for now, and not then, what party in power would not delight in an opposition destroying itself?stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
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And here are the opposition benches...TheScreamingEagles said:SNIP
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That's unfair, a London Black Cab holds 5 passengers, the LibDems 8 members would therefore fill 1.6 cabs or say 2 cabs comfortably, assuming they don't have any Cyril Smith-type fatties these days, which I believe is the case.malcolmg said:
It is down to numbers of MP's , the LD's are nonentities , couln not fill a taxi.peter_from_putney said:Although I watch PMQs only infrequently, I've noticed that Angus Robertson is allowed to ask two questions every Wednesday - it always seems to be him and not another SNP member, although I do recall that last week at Dave's swansong, a rather unpleasant female SNP MP, whose name I can't recall, droned on for about two minutes, her face contorted with bitterness, completely failing to capture the otherwise generous mood of the House towards the outgoing Prime Minister.
Is this now part of the formalised deal at PMQs or simply at the Speaker's discretion?
The LibDems must be spitting blood with poor Two Taxis Tim just being squeezed in and unceremoiously slapped down by La May at 12.36 pm according to my watch.
Robertson is the SNP Leader in Westminster hence why he asks most of teh questions.0 -
Labour supporters have cooled on Corbyn, Guardian survey finds
Survey finds enthusiasm waning for Labour party leader but no evidence of support for any other candidate
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/20/labour-supporters-have-cooled-on-corbyn-guardian-survey-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
I can't resist, Mr. Pioneers. Do you fancy a small fun wager, say a bottle of something decent, that there will not be a GE this year?RochdalePioneers said:
By cutting the budgets of local authorities so much that there is no civic life any more.Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
But I do agree - the Tories will win big. Which is why she's going to the country this year.0 -
I thought the Prime Minister had ruled out an election in the near future but perhaps she will feel compelled to go to the country on a wave of eu-phoria (as it weren't).Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.
Cameron thought he could keep us in the EU - he couldn't. Nothing is certain in this life and the assumptions of increased majorities and the like based on a few polls (apparently reliable now May is Prime Minister) mean nothing.
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Bless you for taking the words of Sion Simon so seriously. Though I'm on board with the early election thinking too.RochdalePioneers said:
By cutting the budgets of local authorities so much that there is no civic life any more.Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
But I do agree - the Tories will win big. Which is why she's going to the country this year.0 -
Just part of the inevitable demotion of the quack idea of "climate change" to the dustbin of history beside " flat earth", "life on Mars" ," Arc of prosperity" and "electable Labour leader"TheScreamingEagles said:Andrea Leadsom’s responsibilities for climate change have been thrown into confusion after a Government department suggested she had been stripped of her sole role in combating global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cabinet-office-publishes-plan-to-strip-andrea-leadsom-of-sole-climate-change-role_uk_578eb1f3e4b0b545e5cbe63c?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk&0 -
So they can go through the whole jolly cycle all over again.ReggieCide said:
Is this a prelude to an honour killing or is that too unPC?Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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Interesting chap on Jeremy Vine at lunch time. Not interested in politics, used to vote labour before losing interest, but pro-Corbyn and absolutely not worried by the idea that Corbyn can't win seats, because look at UKIP: they only have one MP but they still won the referendum. So you obviously don't need MPs.0
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I don't know your age, Jason, but I can assure you in that summer of 1992, before Black Wednesday, the Conservatives did think they were electorally unbeatable. They had won a fourth victory and a fourth term in spite of defenestrating Thatcher and in the teeth of an economic recession (remember negative equity anyone ?).Jason said:<
After the 1992 election, I doubt very much many Tory MPs thought they were 'unbeatable'. Mr Blair quickly destroyed any notion of 'hubris', even if any existed. As for now, and not then, what party in power would not delight in an opposition destroying itself?
Major had a larger majority than Cameron does now and having polled more votes than any Party before or since, the Conservatives believed they could see off John Smith or any other Labour leader.
That was before Black Wednesday and Cameron's walk-on part after which it all got very "interesting" - VAT on fuel, remember that ?
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HurstLlama said:
I do forget the howls of protest, Mr Felix, mainly because aside from on here I have not actually heard them, at least not for a long time (brown's 75p increase I think was the last time). I do however hear my contemporaries saying how daft it is that they are still given winter fuel allowance and bus passes when they do not need them.felix said:
Lol. Take your point but you are conveniently forgetting the howls of protest if there is even the hint of a suggestion that pensioners take their share of the cuts. And I speak as one.HurstLlama said:
I know of no pensioner who is more concerned for themselves than they are for their offspring. You may wish to consider the idea that pensioners maybe more willing to vote Conservative has bugger all to do with having "money thrown at them" but something to do with people who have seen life making a mature judgement about which party is likely to produce the best life chances for their children and, especially, grandchildren.SouthamObserver said:
And the Tories have been throwing money at them for six years :-)chestnut said:Pensioners:
Tory 58 Labour 15 UKIP 13
Old folk - the children of Beveridge - have written Labour off.
They know their client vote.
Ah, how quickly the howls of protest regarding George Osborne's 'granny tax' are forgotten.0 -
Jolly decent of them. Not that we are short of betting markets at the moment, but a continual supply of markets on defenestrations and Labour leadership contests would be welcome nonetheless.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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How does that make any kind of sense? If they had no confidence in his leadership before how can they have confidence in him just because he wins another mandate? He already had one.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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Die Welt are liking Frau May. Still gagging to take a pop at Boris. His journalism is going to be an albatross around his neck for a while.
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This is a golden age for political betting.Richard_Nabavi said:
Jolly decent of them. Not that we are short of betting markets at the moment, but a continual supply of markets on defenestrations and Labour leadership contests would be welcome nonetheless.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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I've been in the Labour Party signup queue since 16:50 (research only!) and am approaching 40% on the progress bar to be allowed to register [you get 10 minutes, even after 5pm, as long as you were in the queue]. So those clicking on at 16:58 will probably have to wait at least an hour.0
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I thought the FTPA meant that won't happen now?Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!0 -
150,000 supporter at £25 a pop is a shit load of money.0
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It's the we respect the members, and we'll try and make it work, and hope Corbyn eventually screws up badly so he can be toppled.kle4 said:
How does that make any kind of sense? If they had no confidence in his leadership before how can they have confidence in him just because he wins another mandate? He already had one.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/755791495219863552
I do think we'll get a peace deal in 2017 after a round of gubbings in the locals.0 -
May will want to hold the Tory Conference and Parliament does not reassemble until the following week (I think!).Even if Labour played ball re- an immediate dissolution there would be no election before late November. More likely Labour would seek to frustrate May if polls are not encouraging - so putting off the election until December. Unlikely she will go back on her word I think.RochdalePioneers said:
By cutting the budgets of local authorities so much that there is no civic life any more.Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
But I do agree - the Tories will win big. Which is why she's going to the country this year.0 -
Cos the membership said he ain't going nowhere.kle4 said:
How does that make any kind of sense? If they had no confidence in his leadership before how can they have confidence in him just because he wins another mandate? He already had one.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/755791495219863552
Analogously to Jezza himself they will presumably try to make some kind of difference although with no support from their boss.0 -
Surely the very first attempted de-selection of a Labour MP will prove to be the straw which breaks the Camel's back, resulting in mass resignations from the party and the establishment of an alternative left of centre party in the HoC, plus possible legal disputes surrounding the division of Labour's assets ..... Oh wait!Richard_Nabavi said:
Jolly decent of them. Not that we are short of betting markets at the moment, but a continual supply of markets on defenestrations and Labour leadership contests would be welcome nonetheless.Tissue_Price said:Have they no sense of honour or shame?
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Research? - Ah, the Pete Townshend defence..!Tissue_Price said:I've been in the Labour Party signup queue since 16:50 (research only!) and am approaching 40% on the progress bar to be allowed to register [you get 10 minutes, even after 5pm, as long as you were in the queue]. So those clicking on at 16:58 will probably have to wait at least an hour.
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Does anyone want to explain to him how governments are formed?
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I certainly hope that is the case. Greg Clark, whose department would take over full responsibility for climate change policy, seems to have a pretty sound understanding of the issues, whereas Andrea Leadsom seems to lack both interest and knowledge in the area.TheScreamingEagles said:Andrea Leadsom’s responsibilities for climate change have been thrown into confusion after a Government department suggested she had been stripped of her sole role in combating global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cabinet-office-publishes-plan-to-strip-andrea-leadsom-of-sole-climate-change-role_uk_578eb1f3e4b0b545e5cbe63c?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk&0 -
Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.0
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The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
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Do you actually want to read what I said?JonathanD said:HurstLlama said:
I do forget the howls of protest, Mr Felix, mainly because aside from on here I have not actually heard them, at least not for a long time (brown's 75p increase I think was the last time). I do however hear my contemporaries saying how daft it is that they are still given winter fuel allowance and bus passes when they do not need them.felix said:
Lol. Take your point but you are conveniently forgetting the howls of protest if there is even the hint of a suggestion that pensioners take their share of the cuts. And I speak as one.HurstLlama said:
I know of no pensioner who is more concerned for themselves than they are for their offspring. You may wish to consider the idea that pensioners maybe more willing to vote Conservative has bugger all to do with having "money thrown at them" but something to do with people who have seen life making a mature judgement about which party is likely to produce the best life chances for their children and, especially, grandchildren.SouthamObserver said:
And the Tories have been throwing money at them for six years :-)chestnut said:Pensioners:
Tory 58 Labour 15 UKIP 13
Old folk - the children of Beveridge - have written Labour off.
They know their client vote.
Ah, how quickly the howls of protest regarding George Osborne's 'granny tax' are forgotten.0 -
Election war chest. Time to get that turd polishing qualification you always promised yourself and earn your share of the Labour party's cash.Jonathan said:150,000 supporter at £25 a pop is a shit load of money.
Either that or it will cover at least some of the legal fees set aside for contesting the outcome.0 -
OK, you can have the four months between May and September of 1992 where you believe the Tories thought they were 'unbeatable', and I'll have the period after that right up until 1997 when no right minded person in the whole of the UK thought the Tories could beat Mr Blair.stodge said:
I don't know your age, Jason, but I can assure you in that summer of 1992, before Black Wednesday, the Conservatives did think they were electorally unbeatable. They had won a fourth victory and a fourth term in spite of defenestrating Thatcher and in the teeth of an economic recession (remember negative equity anyone ?).Jason said:<
After the 1992 election, I doubt very much many Tory MPs thought they were 'unbeatable'. Mr Blair quickly destroyed any notion of 'hubris', even if any existed. As for now, and not then, what party in power would not delight in an opposition destroying itself?
Major had a larger majority than Cameron does now and having polled more votes than any Party before or since, the Conservatives believed they could see off John Smith or any other Labour leader.
That was before Black Wednesday and Cameron's walk-on part after which it all got very "interesting" - VAT on fuel, remember that ?
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On current inflation trends, we are looking at 2019 for crossover: when it costs more to be a registered supporter of Labour than to attend university.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
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Yep, but that's not stopping them.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
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Betfair: Will there be a GE in 2016?
Yes 7.6
No 1.13
Anything is possible - we've seen plenty of surprises recently - but on the face of it a 2016 GE isn't looking likely.
And if Theresa doesn't go for one in her first 6 months then going soon after that seems even less likely - given initial bounce will be fading and we'll then be right in the middle of triggering Article 50 and the resulting negotiations.0 -
You're clearly more than clever enough to know what was going to happen if Leave won but you voted for it anyway. So it's lacking in Christian Charity but I'd rather blame you than the Tories at the moment.RochdalePioneers said:
By cutting the budgets of local authorities so much that there is no civic life any more.Tissue_Price said:
Shortly there will be an election, in which the Conservatives will increase their majority, and in so doing utterly shatter the glass paradigm of cyclical politics which has contained us since the Second World War. This ought to herald another decade of strong, confident, consensual Conservative government. Which will finally and irrevocably transform the nature of politics and civic life in Britain.stodge said:
Ah hubris, thy name is the Conservative Party.TheScreamingEagles said:
They thought they were unbeatable in 1992 - perhaps next year the BBC will re-run Election Night 1997 to mark the 20th Anniversary just to remind us all how right they were !!
But I do agree - the Tories will win big. Which is why she's going to the country this year.0 -
Blair became leader in 1994.Jason said:
OK, you can have the four months between May and September of 1992 where you believe the Tories thought they were 'unbeatable', and I'll have the period after that right up until 1997 when no right minded person in the whole of the UK thought the Tories could beat Mr Blair.stodge said:
I don't know your age, Jason, but I can assure you in that summer of 1992, before Black Wednesday, the Conservatives did think they were electorally unbeatable. They had won a fourth victory and a fourth term in spite of defenestrating Thatcher and in the teeth of an economic recession (remember negative equity anyone ?).Jason said:<
After the 1992 election, I doubt very much many Tory MPs thought they were 'unbeatable'. Mr Blair quickly destroyed any notion of 'hubris', even if any existed. As for now, and not then, what party in power would not delight in an opposition destroying itself?
Major had a larger majority than Cameron does now and having polled more votes than any Party before or since, the Conservatives believed they could see off John Smith or any other Labour leader.
That was before Black Wednesday and Cameron's walk-on part after which it all got very "interesting" - VAT on fuel, remember that ?0 -
Er that would total up a bit under £4m, less the costs of administration. Call it three-million quid available for the campaign. Nice, but not enough to make a differnece.nunu said:
A nice war chest if May calls an early election.Jonathan said:150,000 supporter at £25 a pop is a shit load of money.
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Racing certTheWhiteRabbit said:
The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
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I must confess to some confusion about the nomenclature of Labour categories. I want to say "supporters" but aren't they (historically) people off the street who paid £3 for a vote in last year's leadership election? Looking at the clock, it also now seems to apply historically to people off the street who've paid £25 to vote in this year's leadership election. If Labour wanted to reassure its supporters that this "cash for votes" (which used to work the other way round) is not just a not so cheap trick to separate the gullible from their cash, it could sell an annual season ticket as a hedge against overly frequent future competitions.TheScreamingEagles said:Labour supporters have cooled on Corbyn, Guardian survey finds
Survey finds enthusiasm waning for Labour party leader but no evidence of support for any other candidate
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/20/labour-supporters-have-cooled-on-corbyn-guardian-survey-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Have I got that right? Are not people that vote Labour supporters? I'm sure that there are those on here who will happily educate me as to what they're called.0 -
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But with little opposition, it is but a formality.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
Anyone have a feeling that even if May calls an early election and the Tories win a landslide the cult will say he wasn't given enough time and that the great leader should stay on.0 -
An early election actually suits the PLP in a funny way as it will mean there will not be time for deselections before it takes place. A lot of MPs in safe seats who would have been thrown out will get five more years.0
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I asked NP about that and he said there would still be time for selection panels; though in extremis the NEC could decide.SouthamObserver said:An early election actually suits the PLP in a funny way as it will mean there will not be time for deselections before it takes place. A lot of MPs in safe seats who would have been thrown out will get five more years.
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And a big pink bus for the ladiesTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The cult will say he wasn't given enough support, and blame the moderates.nunu said:
But with little opposition, it is but a formality.TheWhiteRabbit said:
The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
Anyone have a feeling that even if May calls an early election and the Tories win a landslide the cult will say he wasn't given enough time and that the great leader should stay on.0 -
Ye gads! They are already using the fees to piss away money on boutique buildings in an inflationary boom, sometimes without even any clue as to what the building is going to be used for (Manchester University - I name you). I guess this will be yet more extra insulation against the near immediate loss of EU funding they are facing even pre-A50.Pulpstar said:
Racing certTheWhiteRabbit said:
The bill that would allow them to do so has not yet been passed.Chameleon said:Apparently universities are raising their fees again - to £9,250 pa from September 2017, with further raises inline or above inflation in the future.
Perhaps Brexit was the reason that capping fees lower was 'economically illiterate', as I can't think of any other reason.0 -
Lol. They won it for Remain as well.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety0
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GG WP, as I'm told they say.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I do miss IOS.
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Still won't win them the election thoughTheScreamingEagles said:Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety
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Indeed, I'm told size isn't important, it's what you do with it that counts.ToryJim said:
Still won't win them the election thoughTheScreamingEagles said:Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety
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Ground Game Will Perish?williamglenn said:
GG WP, as I'm told they say.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German. 0
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Not that u have to worry about such things......TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I'm told size isn't important, it's what you do with it that counts.ToryJim said:
Still won't win them the election thoughTheScreamingEagles said:Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety
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Ave it was more right than hubiristic in GE 2015 oddly...TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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Lincoln Red Imps are 45/1 to beat Celtic tonight.
Just saying
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Having grown up in the East, her English is probably not that brilliant.John_M said:Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German
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Ave it called a Tory majority and Leave win.nunu said:
Ave it was more right than hubiristic in GE 2015 oddly...TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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Do you get told that a lot? If so....TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I'm told size isn't important, it's what you do with it that counts.ToryJim said:
Still won't win them the election thoughTheScreamingEagles said:Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety
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Has he come back since May? And that other one, the toothpaste guy.TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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Tories should aspire to a GE. majority wafer thin and a lot changes in a week. Crack on.0
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Nope, it is what I've heard from friends.Animal_pb said:
Do you get told that a lot? If so....TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I'm told size isn't important, it's what you do with it that counts.ToryJim said:
Still won't win them the election thoughTheScreamingEagles said:Weird to think Labour have signed more members in the last few days than the Tories have in their entirety
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Russian was compulsory in the East, until the wall came down. Can’t expect Frau Merkle to speak English as well, she’s not a rocket scientist…FeersumEnjineeya said:
Having grown up in the East, her English is probably not that brilliant.John_M said:Merkel & May on BBC News. Merkel selfishly talking in German
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Ave it. The new gold standard.MaxPB said:
Ave it called a Tory majority and Leave win.nunu said:
Ave it was more right than hubiristic in GE 2015 oddly...TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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The government are in full spin mode on Brexit. Partly that covers up the absence of planning or any joined up thinking on the subject. What they are not doing is preparing the public for any hardship or stuff that might happen. I can't decide whether the spin will carry them through or whether the public will realise they have been sold a pup. Perhaps more worrying is if they actually believe their own spin. I think David Davis does believe the nonsense he spouts.John_M said:
Hubris. Negotiating our way out of a 43-year old relationship in a slowing global economy while borrowing £75 billion p.a. (with more to come) and an 83% debt/GDP ratio is hardly the stuff of political dreams. May needs to stay gritty, realistic and humble (would also be grateful if Davis could stfu as well).TheScreamingEagles said:
PS @David_Evershed Thanks for the link earlier. Very interesting. I am, apparently, a Liberal, if not an LD.0 -
No he vanished, just like Ash (toothpaste guy).MaxPB said:
Has he come back since May? And that other one, the toothpaste guy.TheScreamingEagles said:I do miss IOS.
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I think pushing the idea of an early election may help one of the anti-Corbyn lot get in which is why the idea is on the back burner. Labour may come to their senses if they were facing a November election. With the election all the way out in 2020 Labour members don't need to worry about winning in the near term.RobD said:
Would be rude to do one while Labour are in the middle of a leadership electionDaveDave said:Tories should aspire to a GE. majority wafer thin and a lot changes in a week. Crack on.
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Most of them really aren't bothered, believe me.MaxPB said:
I think pushing the idea of an early election may help one of the anti-Corbyn lot get in which is why the idea is on the back burner. Labour may come to their senses if they were facing a November election. With the election all the way out in 2020 Labour members don't need to worry about winning in the near term.RobD said:
Would be rude to do one while Labour are in the middle of a leadership electionDaveDave said:Tories should aspire to a GE. majority wafer thin and a lot changes in a week. Crack on.
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