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Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

MaxPB said:

Sandpit said:

rcs1000 said:

For humour value, these are the current annual interest rates available on two year government debt:

USA			0.698
Portugal		0.640
United Kingdom		0.154
Italy			-0.077
Spain			-0.161
Japan			-0.332
Ireland			-0.445
France			-0.533
Netherlands		-0.577
Germany			-0.642
Switzerland		-1.137

LOL! Who's buying those who doesn't have to hold Government debt?

The Swiss cantons askedfor tax payments to be delayed for as long as possible iirc. They are obligated to hold federal debt which is an exercise in value destruction at the moment.

Yes, so the only people buying these bonds are those who have no choice in the matter.

I project I'm working on right now is offering 10% dividends quarterly to investors, but I guess we have more chance of messing up than the Swiss federal government! One lucky investor did so (in US$) a month ago. He's made a bonus 10% on his Sterling returns!

You're working on a scheme providing a 46.41% AER, or have I misunderstood. Or 10% PA with 2.4% paid out quarterly ?

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Casino_Royale said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Have you met anyone from the Protestant NI community?

Because I have and they'd sooner sell their souls to the devil than take up Irish nationality.

Don't forget that 45% of NI voted Leave. These people are very, very, very pro-British.

ToryJim said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So Theresa May's first PMQs today.

Should be interesting.

Will have a different feel to DC for sure.

TOPPING said:

YellowSubmarine said:

MaxPB said:

Looking at the employment statistics and this was telling:

There are 2.21m EU workers in the UK, of those 2.146m have chosen not to take up UK citizenship.

vs

3.03m non-EU workers in the UK, of which only 1.192m have decided not to take up UK citizenship.

I think that's why there is a lot of anger at EU immigration that there is less of towards non-EU immigration, again I'm not saying that people look at the ONS figures and then say, oh look at all those EU immigrants refusing to take up UK nationality, it's more like something people feel. Non-EU citizens are here for the long haul, they want to make a life for themselves here and become British, the same isn't true for EU citizens (and I'm sure our lot in Europe!).

EU immigrants in the UK are EU citizens still in the EU. They needed the security of specifically UK Citizenship much less. We'll see how the relative take percentages go now that that's been blown up.

There was lots of chat (specifically by Sos for DEFRA, I think Kate Hoey said it also) that the cut-off date for eligibility was June 23rd.

Do we know if that is indeed the case?

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

I work on the principle that Nero crossed the line from trolling to incitement, not only just on this occasion, so Twitter probably were right.

Tim_B said:

Moses_ said:

Tim_B said:

MaxPB said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

Thanks guys, much to mull over. I think I'm going to hand in my notice as soon as I receive the paperwork. I haven't fully decided to leave, but this is a huge opportunity as it is a massive jump in seniority and pay, I'm just not sure I want to move overseas where I'll be starting from scratch in terms of living there.

Max, you're quite young, no kids, right? So go for it - the opportunity to work abroad is a life-enriching experience. You can come back to civilisation in a few years' time.

And if you do move, don't spend your whole time hanging around with ex-pats. Make sure you learn French well (this is Geneva, right?).

Zurich, so German.

So no comedy clubs then?

Working with Germans I can assure you they take their comedy very seriously.......

I know a German barber called Herr Kutz......

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Looking at the employment statistics and this was telling:

There are 2.21m EU workers in the UK, of those 2.146m have chosen.

I think that's why there is a lot of anger at EU immigration that there is less of towards non-EU immigration, again I'm not saying that people look at the ONS figures and then say, oh look at all those EU immigrants refusing to take up UK nationality, it's more like something people feel. Non-EU citizens are here for the long haul, they want to make a life for themselves here and become British, the same isn't true for EU citizens (and I'm sure our lot in Europe!).

But a very large proportion of those people aren't planning on staying: Ana from Spain who's serving you in Starbucks is here because (a) London is exciting, and (b) the job prospects were shit when she graduated. Realistically, with the Spanish job market dramatically improving, unless she meets a nice English boy, she'll be heading back in twelve months when living three to a room in Camberwell loses its appeal.

Now, you can say that this isn't immigration we wish to encourage (and that's fine), but it is also immigration that will naturally fall away. It will be harder to come to the UK, and most Anas will head back home.

This is why I suspect that EU immigration is likely to turn negative in the next couple of years. It'll be harder to come here, and many people were going to go home anyway.

But that's my point, non-EU citizens come here to settle down and EU citizens don't tend to. Agreed on the latter point about unemployed Mohammeds and Yusufs, but that is a legacy of the 70s.

I guess my point is that a lot of the EU migration is simply a version of the working holiday visas we've always given Australians and New Zealanders. And I simply don't see much hostility towards it compared to immigration from Pakistan.

And don't underestimate how much immigration has increased from these places. In 2004, there were around 280,000 people in the UK who were born in Pakistan. That rose to almost 550,000 a decade later. While the numbers are smaller, the number of people born in Nigeria also doubled.

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

That Guardian report is notably light on details of what Milo is alleged to have actually done.

I'm suspending judgement until I see the details.

ToryJim said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

Free speech doesn't mean consequence free speech.

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

That Guardian report is notably light on details of what Milo is alleged to have actually done.

I'm suspending judgement until I see the details.

Richard_Nabavi said:

rcs1000 said:

Edit to add: most people I know are more upset about Mohammed from Bangladesh who doesn't have a job (but does have a UK passport) than Ana from Madrid.

<SeanT mode>

Especially if Ana is HOT!

</SeanT mode>

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Looking at the employment statistics and this was telling:

There are 2.21m EU workers in the UK, of those 2.146m have chosen.

I think that's why there is a lot of anger at EU immigration that there is less of towards non-EU immigration, again I'm not saying that people look at the ONS figures and then say, oh look at all those EU immigrants refusing to take up UK nationality, it's more like something people feel. Non-EU citizens are here for the long haul, they want to make a life for themselves here and become British, the same isn't true for EU citizens (and I'm sure our lot in Europe!).

But a very large proportion of those people aren't planning on staying: Ana from Spain who's serving you in Starbucks is here because (a) London is exciting, and (b) the job prospects were shit when she graduated. Realistically, with the Spanish job market dramatically improving, unless she meets a nice English boy, she'll be heading back in twelve months when living three to a room in Camberwell loses its appeal.

Now, you can say that this isn't immigration we wish to encourage (and that's fine), but it is also immigration that will naturally fall away. It will be harder to come to the UK, and most Anas will head back home.

This is why I suspect that EU immigration is likely to turn negative in the next couple of years. It'll be harder to come here, and many people were going to go home anyway.

But that's my point, non-EU citizens come here to settle down and EU citizens don't tend to. Agreed on the latter point about unemployed Mohammeds and Yusufs, but that is a legacy of the 70s.

I guess my point is that a lot of the EU migration is simply a version of the working holiday visas we've always given Australians and New Zealanders. And I simply don't see much hostility towards it compared to immigration from Pakistan.

And don't underestimate how much immigration has increased from these places. In 2004, there were around 280,000 people in the UK who were born in Pakistan. That rose to almost 550,000 a decade later. While the numbers are smaller, the number of people born in Nigeria also doubled.

...issues of cultural entropy are significant.

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

I believe Alanbrooke of this parish - a protestant from NI - has an Irish passport.

Middle class Protestants will be different to the DUP WWC Protestants.

Casino_Royale said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Have you met anyone from the Protestant NI community?

Because I have and they'd sooner sell their souls to the devil than take up Irish nationality.

Don't forget that 45% of NI voted Leave. These people are very, very, very pro-British.

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So Theresa May's first PMQs today.

Should be interesting.

Ah yes. Would love to watch but will be spending the whole afternoon in a Ukranian dentist's chair!

Poor you, I suspect it'll be a tractor stats fest, so you won't be missing much.

I don't think Mrs May has David Cameron's flair and polish for PMQs.

Might catch the 'highlights' later before deciding whether to watch the whole thing.

Not been to the big chair in too long, and being dragged along by wife/translator. He has all European equipment and charges $25 an hour, so if there's a time to go it's probably now!
Back on here later, hopefully

Blimey, that is a cheap dentist.

TheScreamingEagles said:

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

That Guardian report is notably light on details of what Milo is alleged to have actually done.

I'm suspending judgement until I see the details.

It was encouraging the racist trolling of Leslie Jones.

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So Theresa May's first PMQs today.

Should be interesting.

Ah yes. Would love to watch but will be spending the whole afternoon in a Ukranian dentist's chair!

Poor you, I suspect it'll be a tractor stats fest, so you won't be missing much.

I don't think Mrs May has David Cameron's flair and polish for PMQs.

Might catch the 'highlights' later before deciding whether to watch the whole thing.

Not been to the big chair in too long, and being dragged along by wife/translator. He has all European equipment and charges $25 an hour, so if there's a time to go it's probably now!
Back on here later, hopefully

Blimey, that is a cheap dentist.

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

I'm not sure that making Twitter a safe space is going to make it profitable. Quite the opposite in fact.

As I said, "and vice-versa". Ultimatelty, Twitter is a commercial organisation. If it makes the wrong decisions, it will wither and die. The free market will sort this one out.

I think it already has, look at the YoY, it's down by over half.

MattW said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

That Guardian report is notably light on details of what Milo is alleged to have actually done.

I'm suspending judgement until I see the details.

It was encouraging the racist trolling of Leslie Jones.

Thanks, but I don't believe such claims until they have been verified.

I have just seen too many fake liberal-left claims - never mind demonisation operations such as the Block Bot and the assault on Prof Tim Hunt.

I'm happy to accept that it may well be true. However, do you have a link with details?

Casino_Royale said:

Bob__Sykes said:

Casino_Royale said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Have you met anyone from the Protestant NI community?

Because I have and they'd sooner sell their souls to the devil than take up Irish nationality.

Don't forget that 45% of NI voted Leave. These people are very, very, very pro-British.

Given the very close commercial, cultural and social relationships between the UK and Ireland (one might even say interdependence from the RoI's perspective), if the UK does successfully put in place new arrangements between itself and the countries of the EU, I'd be more inclined to think the RoI Government may come under pressure to join us...

That's what Daniel Hannan thinks but it might mean ditching the euro, and an awful lot else, and they love it.

YellowSubmarine said:

On the subject of duel citizenship it would be great if UK citizens on 23/6/16 could opt to maintain EU citizenship if they wished. It would be a magnanimous gesture if the government out it into the negotiations. I can see why the EU would agree to it though.

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

Bob__Sykes said:

Casino_Royale said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Have you met anyone from the Protestant NI community?

Because I have and they'd sooner sell their souls to the devil than take up Irish nationality.

Don't forget that 45% of NI voted Leave. These people are very, very, very pro-British.

Given the very close commercial, cultural and social relationships between the UK and Ireland (one might even say interdependence from the RoI's perspective), if the UK does successfully put in place new arrangements between itself and the countries of the EU, I'd be more inclined to think the RoI Government may come under pressure to join us...

That's what Daniel Hannan thinks but it might mean ditching the euro, and an awful lot else, and they love it.

Indeed, Denmark and Sweden and maybe Austria, France and the Netherlands are more likely to leave the EU than Ireland

DanSmith said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MattW said:

rcs1000 said:

Pauly said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

He's such a loathsome individual

Milo Yiannopoulos, rightwing writer, permanently banned from Twitter

Breitbart writer, who tweeted as @Nero, handed permanent suspension after claims he fanned flames of social media attack on Ghostbusters’ Leslie Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/20/milo-yiannopoulos-nero-permanently-banned-twitter?CMP=twt_gu

Silencing bigots does nothing to stop bigotry, if anything it just stops them being challenged. Social media shouldn't be banning the most vilest of figures.

Twitter should be working for the benefit of its shareholders. If silencing @Nero increases usage of its platform, it should do so, and vice-versa.

That Guardian report is notably light on details of what Milo is alleged to have actually done.

I'm suspending judgement until I see the details.

It was encouraging the racist trolling of Leslie Jones.

Seems like a grey area to me. I'm all for him being banned, but Twitter probably needs to accept that free speech doesn't trump everything else, and they need a proper code of conduct in place for all users.

TheScreamingEagles said:

spoilthedog said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

I work on the principle that Nero crossed the line from trolling to incitement, not only just on this occasion, so Twitter probably were right.

What did he say, do you know? Considering the torrents of abuse hurtling round twitter every day, not to mention regular incitements to violence and hatred, it must have been something uniquely terrible.

I believe it was to do with the creation of a spoof account in her name that spewed some anti white rhetoric, that led him encouraging him followers to abuse her in similar terms.

Unfortunately I'm at work, and our internet has crashed and gone into safe mode, so I can't google those terms without setting off the firewall and being forced to have a chat with the HR Director

rcs1000 said:

Re next to go, this chart explains why I think Italy is the one to worry about:

The Euro is right for my country (or somesuch):

TheScreamingEagles said:

spoilthedog said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

I work on the principle that Nero crossed the line from trolling to incitement, not only just on this occasion, so Twitter probably were right.

What did he say, do you know? Considering the torrents of abuse hurtling round twitter every day, not to mention regular incitements to violence and hatred, it must have been something uniquely terrible.

I beleive it was to do with the creation of a spoof account in her name that spewed some anti white rhetoric, that led him encouraging him followers to abuse her in similar terms.

Unfortunately I'm at work, and our internet has crashed and gone into safe mode, so I can't google those terms without setting off the firewall and being forced to have a chat with the HR Director

Tim_B said:

OllyT said:

MaxPB said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Update on my Swiss adventure, I've received an offer for a job there starting early next year (I have a six month notice period). It's substantially more money, but I'd be leaving London. Should I approach my current work place to match terms and seniority or should I just leave?

Do it, sounds like a fantastic opportunity and great experience. Even if only for a couple of years, and then you move back, you won't regret it.

Although Charles is right. Geneva competes with Riyadh for tedium.

Nowhere is as bad as Riyadh for tedium, surely? tens of thousands of both locals and expats there turn up in Bahrain and Dubai every weekend as there's literally nothing to do at home.

That sounds like Geneva to me, a few expats I know go to Nice for weekends from Geneva.

Always founding it intriguing that we call ourselves "ex-pats" when we move somewhere else rather than "immigrants" which is what we are.

Not aimed at you personally by the way, I would go for it and good luck if you do. Would be great experience

To me an ex-pat is someone who goes to work abroad, meaning to eventually return. An emigrant - like me - is someone who leaves permanently and does not plan to return.

wasd said:

TBH; I've never actually been sure what union with Northern Ireland offers me.

HYUFD said:

Casino_Royale said:

Bob__Sykes said:

Casino_Royale said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

On Ireland: if it becomes very common for the protestant community to take dual UK/Irish nationality in order to have access to EU citizenship, then in the long term that could well lead to a change of self-identity and eventual reunification.

Have you met anyone from the Protestant NI community?

Because I have and they'd sooner sell their souls to the devil than take up Irish nationality.

Don't forget that 45% of NI voted Leave. These people are very, very, very pro-British.

Given the very close commercial, cultural and social relationships between the UK and Ireland (one might even say interdependence from the RoI's perspective), if the UK does successfully put in place new arrangements between itself and the countries of the EU, I'd be more inclined to think the RoI Government may come under pressure to join us...

That's what Daniel Hannan thinks but it might mean ditching the euro, and an awful lot else, and they love it.

Indeed, Denmark and Sweden and maybe Austria, France and the Netherlands are more likely to leave the EU than Ireland

Tim_B said:

malcolmg said:

BudG said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. G, interesting piece, but he's not the Messiah.

I know that, you know that Mr Dancer. What we know is irrelevant when it comes to understanding why he has the support he does and why it is so unshakeable.

Could it just be that unlike you some people like him and his ideas. Nothing as pompous as someone who thinks they are superior and know better than everyone else. People have differing views , they are not all right wingnuts.

Thus showing, perhaps, that you know better than 'right wingnuts'?

SouthamObserver said:

@MaxPB - Living and working abroad was one of the most exciting, eye-opening and rewarding episodes of my life. I cannot recommend it enough. Do it.

What's more, as an employer I would be very pissed off if an employee used a job offer as a bargaining chip. It's not a negotiation I'd ever get into. If they want you enough they'll make an offer to keep you anyway.

rcs1000 said:

chestnut said:

Bank of England sees no clear evidence of sharp Brexit hit yet

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-boe-idUKKCN1000SP?il=0

That is good news. The interesting question will be what the preliminary Markit PMIs look like on Friday.

I'd also keep an eye on housing market volumes over the next couple of months.

Casino_Royale said:

TOPPING said:

Casino_Royale said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Looking at the employment statistics and this was telling:

There are 2.21m EU workers in the UK, of those 2.146m have chosen.

I think that's why there is a lot of anger at EU immigration that there is less of towards non-EU immigration, again I'm not saying that people look at the ONS figures and then say, oh look at all those EU immigrants refusing to take up UK nationality, it's more like something people feel. Non-EU citizens are here for the long haul, they want to make a life for themselves here and become British, the same isn't true for EU citizens (and I'm sure our lot in Europe!).

But a very large proportion of those people aren't planning on staying: Ana from Spain who's serving you in Starbucks is here because (a) London is exciting, and (b) the job prospects were shit when she graduated. Realistically, with the Spanish job market dramatically improving, unless she meets a nice English boy, she'll be heading back in twelve months when living three to a room in Camberwell loses its appeal.

Now, you can say that this isn't immigration we wish to encourage (and that's fine), but it is also immigration that will naturally fall away. It will be harder to come to the UK, and most Anas will head back home.

This is why I suspect that EU immigration is likely to turn negative in the next couple of years. It'll be harder to come here, and many people were going to go home anyway.

But that's my point, non-EU citizens come here to settle down and EU citizens don't tend to. Agreed on the latter point about unemployed Mohammeds and Yusufs, but that is a legacy of the 70s.

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...issues of cultural entropy are significant.

LOL I assume you are buying said coffee from a US-style coffee shop, the likes of which have invaded our high streets, rather than your local greasy spoon. Or Lyons Tea House.

Everywhere I go in London and the South East: it's a young Eastern European woman.

Sometimes one wishes one was single..

Blue_rog said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

spoilthedog said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, may watch PMQs, for once (well, twice, saw Cameron's last one).

On the banned Twitter chap, not following it too closely, but I do think freedom of speech should be upheld to the maximum degree.

On a broader note, Twitter still needs to find its place. It can't be a free speech platform *and* a safe space.

I work on the principle that Nero crossed the line from trolling to incitement, not only just on this occasion, so Twitter probably were right.

What did he say, do you know? Considering the torrents of abuse hurtling round twitter every day, not to mention regular incitements to violence and hatred, it must have been something uniquely terrible.

I believe it was to do with the creation of a spoof account in her name that spewed some anti white rhetoric, that led him encouraging him followers to abuse her in similar terms.

Unfortunately I'm at work, and our internet has crashed and gone into safe mode, so I can't google those terms without setting off the firewall and being forced to have a chat with the HR Director

This might be the reason

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/20/bt-down-broadband-service-suffers-major-outage-across-the-uk/

runnymede said:

rcs1000 said:

chestnut said:

Bank of England sees no clear evidence of sharp Brexit hit yet

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-boe-idUKKCN1000SP?il=0

That is good news. The interesting question will be what the preliminary Markit PMIs look like on Friday.

I'd also keep an eye on housing market volumes over the next couple of months.

They will be down. But is that meaningful? In part these surveys are like opinion polls and have sent misleading signals in the recent past - 1998, 2001-02 for example.