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Priti Patel is the latest to join Theresa May's new Cabinet #CabinetReshuffle https://t.co/rGGeixOKbo pic.twitter.com/qoWpgO8E3E

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  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,561
    First like Owen Smith?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Tour de France more of a farce than the labour leadership battle...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited July 2016
    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    Farcical scenes at the Tour de France:

    twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/753606346440863745
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Where are we with regards to the maximum size of the Cabinet?

    With 2 new departments and only 1 being abolished, surely that limit has been exceeded...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,756
    May has really surprised me - a massive recasting of government and a massive power shift away from the Cameroons. Surely they can't be happy?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Pioneers, must say, she's perhaps taking a risk. Wrote on the previous thread that even Alexander was wary of incurring Parmenio's wrath.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,389
    Ooh, Karen Bradley is a fellow mathematics almunus from Imperial College. Good to see some actual maths skills in the government.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
  • Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    One based more on talent than parents wallets?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited July 2016

    Tour de France more of a farce than the labour leadership battle...

    But I get the impression that the Froome disaster wasn't self administered.
    Unlike Labour (so far).
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    Johnson, Rudd, Fallon, Hunt and Evans the privately educated members.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    May ties with Macmillan for sackings.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,163
    MaxPB said:

    It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.

    That would be a shame. I mean they've been so effective in Government haven't they?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Toms said:

    Tour de France more of a farce than the labour leadership battle...

    But I get the impression that the Froome disaster wasn't self administered.
    Unlike Labour (so far).
    https://twitter.com/cycling_podcast/status/753610361304145920

    Arf
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Patrick McLoughlin’s rise from coal pits to party chairman is the stuff of books.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
    isn't sine followed by the ablative not accusative?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Who is Greg Clark ? Never heard of him.

    Almost zero Nat fightback to May putting them back in their box last night - the Indy dream is dead for 30-40 years IMHO.


  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    I wonder what Cameron's reshuffle would have looked like if the referendum had tilted the other way. Not much like this, I'd guess!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188
    Scotland? If it's not Mundell, it's going to be interesting. Apart from nice offices, I believe, it isn't the most rewarding job. Mundell is a nice enough man, but you suspect he is happier checking in on his constituency and turning up to vote rather than be responsible for other people's policies.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    TGOHF said:

    Who is Greg Clark ? Never heard of him.

    Almost zero Nat fightback to May putting them back in their box last night - the Indy dream is dead for 30-40 years IMHO.


    Acording to the Telegraph May is off to Scotland tomorrow
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    They have no idea do they - we are going out
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    John_M said:

    May ties with Macmillan for sackings.

    The summer of the sharp stilettos.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    JohnO said:

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
    isn't sine followed by the ablative not accusative?
    you are in all likelihood correct, but TSE doesnt know that :-)
  • ChaosOdinChaosOdin Posts: 67
    TGOHF said:

    Who is Greg Clark ? Never heard of him.

    Almost zero Nat fightback to May putting them back in their box last night - the Indy dream is dead for 30-40 years IMHO.


    No fightback because they know just how bad the figures in their next indy white paper would have to look just like everyone else does.

    They want to make a fuss about brexit, but they don't actually want indyref2, they have no idea even how to start planning for it.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    FPT:

    MP_SE said:

    I wish Priti got Chief Whip.

    Some of you Tories are a bit weird to say the least.

    @GIN1138 Has there ever been a match up of two more unlikeable people?

    @numbertwelve Yeah, IDS could go there. I doubt he'll be Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
    "You Tories"

    How about "you Labour"? You have a weird leadership problem :)
    Right now I don't think I can really be a part of the Labour party. It's for Corbynites only these days, sadly.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited July 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    I think we should have a General Election every month. I would prefer every week but we must give the people and politicians a rest. ;)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Are you going to eff off and join the Sheffield Hallam LibDems? :lol:
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    edited July 2016
    It's still 13/14 men and 8 women, by my count.

    Ruth for the Scottish Office?!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531

    Ooh, Karen Bradley is a fellow mathematics almunus from Imperial College. Good to see some actual maths skills in the government.

    Biochemistry, 1997 for me :)
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188

    JohnO said:

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
    isn't sine followed by the ablative not accusative?
    you are in all likelihood correct, but TSE doesnt know that :-)
    Considering I've got a thread header for this weekend, delayed from last weekend, which includes 'delenda est' in the headline, I do know.

    I might have to start channelling some Catullus 16 now
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited July 2016

    JohnO said:

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
    isn't sine followed by the ablative not accusative?
    you are in all likelihood correct, but TSE doesnt know that :-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.

    The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.

    Apart from the Boris decision Hunt remaining in post is probably the most surprising to me. I've been largely supportive of Hunt during the industrial action with the Junior Doctors and now feel it's time to impose the contract. But May could have taken the easy option and delivered a fresh start in replacing him but didn't. I have no doubt the doctors will not take this decision well but they have their own political agenda and nothing may please them.

    Osborne? He could come back at some point from this but he will have to want to remain an MP. I would imagine some financial institutions will be looking at his political future with interest. Maybe he will decide he is done with Politics.

    Some really big beasts and talented people on the backbenches, I can't imagine Cameron/Osborne/Gove sitting together lol
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,169
    Watching the TdF, what a nightmare - why no crowd barriers at the top of the stage? That minute Froome had to wait for his team must have felt like an hour.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119
    Is that it for the Cabinet then?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    People who tweet this kind of shite are morons who know nothing of UK agricultural policies pre-EEC.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Who is Greg Clark ? Never heard of him.

    Almost zero Nat fightback to May putting them back in their box last night - the Indy dream is dead for 30-40 years IMHO.


    Acording to the Telegraph May is off to Scotland tomorrow
    Some nice pictures with Roof D then a few more wagging a finger at St Nick.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471

    Ooh, Karen Bradley is a fellow mathematics almunus from Imperial College. Good to see some actual maths skills in the government.

    Biochemistry, 1997 for me :)
    Imperial is a dump. It takes all riff-raff.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286

    Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.

    Four out of twenty, which is still way more than nationally.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188

    I wonder what Cameron's reshuffle would have looked like if the referendum had tilted the other way. Not much like this, I'd guess!

    Normally reshuffles are a five dimensional puzzle to not upset the incumbents, reward the loyal, encourage those that haven't had preferment and refresh the line up while staying within the fixed number of posts. Even when moving from opposition ministers mostly take the posts they have been shadowing.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    GIN1138 said:

    Is that it for the Cabinet then?

    Scotland & Leader of the house of commons
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Jonathan said:

    Ooh, Karen Bradley is a fellow mathematics almunus from Imperial College. Good to see some actual maths skills in the government.

    Biochemistry, 1997 for me :)
    Imperial is a dump. It takes all riff-raff.
    No, that's Oxford! (Hat-tip to General Melchett!).
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"

    Where in the post does it day "EU money" ?

    It says subsidy, which is the key point...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jameskirkup: Foreigners get Boris. Farmers get Leadsom. Dfid gets Priti. Doctors keep Hunt. Top trolling from Theresa May. #banter
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited July 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"

    Where in the post does it say "EU money" ?

    It says subsidy, which is the key point...
    We are net contributors the EU, remember? To the tune of £8.5 billion in 2015.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,286
    Justice (ha, ha) would mean the always steady, invariably reliable and comprehensive boy David Gauke would become Chief Secretary.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    JohnO said:

    Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.

    Four out of twenty, which is still way more than nationally.
    For top grades educationally, I don't think so.

    Based solely on pop, about twice what it should be.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"

    Where in the post does it day "EU money" ?

    It says subsidy, which is the key point...
    The UK has subsidised its farmers since the year dot. People should try cracking open a history book every now and then.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302

    JohnO said:

    Took all my restraint to not describe this as the most pleb government in history

    Hurrah !

    Res publica pleborum

    vox populi audiendum est

    sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
    isn't sine followed by the ablative not accusative?
    you are in all likelihood correct, but TSE doesnt know that :-)
    Considering I've got a thread header for this weekend, delayed from last weekend, which includes 'delenda est' in the headline, I do know.

    I might have to start channelling some Catullus 16 now
    cur
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    We are net contributors the EU, remember? To the tune of £8.5 billion in 2015.

    Also not what the post said or was about. Keep digging.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    I voted Remain.

    But if there is a second referendum, I will vote leave. I will not be a part of "asking the other parent"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,169
    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    People who tweet this kind of shite are morons who know nothing of UK agricultural policies pre-EEC.
    Were farmers and fishermen not the trade most likely to have voted Leave? Apart from the big agri-businesses with full time administrators, farmers all hate the CAP with a passion.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    John_M said:

    The UK has subsidised its farmers since the year dot.

    Which is the bit Sunil seems to having some trouble with...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188
    edited July 2016

    It's still 13/14 men and 8 women, by my count.

    Ruth for the Scottish Office?!

    That would be sensible.Is it constitutional and can you be in the cabinet if you are not a member of (the Westminster) parliament?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119

    GIN1138 said:

    Is that it for the Cabinet then?

    Scotland

    A 150 year old Scottish Lord with a legendary ARSE waiting for "the call" to serve?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This would be a cherry on top...

    @jessphillips: Id put a fiver on Anna Soubry or Therese Coffey for Leader of the house
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
    Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,253
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    Just as soon as the Europhile morons stop talking about 'EU money'.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    FF43 said:

    It's still 13/14 men and 8 women, by my count.

    Ruth for the Scottish Office?!

    That would be sensible.Is it constitutional and can you be in the cabinet if you are not a member of (the Westminster) parliament?
    Not clear. However if Her Majesty appoints, I see no reason why not.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    edited July 2016
    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    Act was passed last year:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Referendum_Act_2015
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"

    Where in the post does it day "EU money" ?

    It says subsidy, which is the key point...
    The UK has subsidised its farmers since the year dot. People should try cracking open a history book every now and then.
    Scott has never heard of the Corn Laws.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    David Mundell remains Secretary of State for Scotland in @theresa_may's new cabinet
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    jonny83 said:

    ...

    The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. ...

    I don't think they will have to work particularly closely together on the negotiations. The structure appears to indicate that Boris won't be much involved with the Brexit negotiations at all, that will be DD's responsibility. Meanwhile Fox will be trying to set up deals with the US, China, and other far-off lands. I can see some potential problems of overlap in the Fox/Boris responsibilities, but the EU negotiations seem to be squarely DD's problem. I hope he's up to it, I have my doubts on that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,169
    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    The referendum was authorised by the EU Referendum Act 2015, passed by Parliament last year.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Referendum_Act_2015
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068

    MaxPB said:

    It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.

    That would be a shame. I mean they've been so effective in Government haven't they?
    At least Letwind won't be in charge of implementing Brexit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    FF43 said:

    It's still 13/14 men and 8 women, by my count.

    Ruth for the Scottish Office?!

    That would be sensible.Is it constitutional and can you be in the cabinet if you are not a member of (the Westminster) parliament?
    Not clear. However if Her Majesty appoints, I see no reason why not.
    Give Davidson a peerage! :D
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    RobD said:

    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
    So this referendum was advisory only?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Just as soon as the Europhile morons stop talking about 'EU money'.

    There was no mention of "EU money", except by Sunil...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    GIN1138 said:

    Is that it for the Cabinet then?

    Scotland & Leader of the house of commons
    Roof D in the cabinet as an MSP ?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Sandpit said:

    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    People who tweet this kind of shite are morons who know nothing of UK agricultural policies pre-EEC.
    Were farmers and fishermen not the trade most likely to have voted Leave? Apart from the big agri-businesses with full time administrators, farmers all hate the CAP with a passion.
    It's hard to be nuanced even on here, never mind Twitter.

    Round here, the small farmers (mainly hill farms) are likely to be happy. The bigger agri-businesses will be quaking in their boots. As a rule of thumb, MNCs and large businesses like the EU. At some arbitrary point (which varies by sector) smaller businesses don't.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
    Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
    [sigh] I was referring to the "repeated inanity"!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    Toms said:

    RobD said:

    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
    So this referendum was advisory only?
    Yes. But that won't change the fact we'll be leaving.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Overheard in pub earlier.

    "The problem we've got is too many foreigners but now Boris is Foreign Secretary he'll take 'em all back with him."

    You've got to love the general public.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Scott_P said:

    John_M said:

    The UK has subsidised its farmers since the year dot.

    Which is the bit Sunil seems to having some trouble with...
    So we won't be losing any money after all? Good.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,725

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
    Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
    [sigh] I was referring to the "repeated inanity"!
    Posting the same trite sentence over and over is really just you spamming this site. Particularly as it was neither humorous nor insightful to begin with.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    jonny83 said:

    Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.

    The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.

    Apart from the Boris decision Hunt remaining in post is probably the most surprising to me. I've been largely supportive of Hunt during the industrial action with the Junior Doctors and now feel it's time to impose the contract. But May could have taken the easy option and delivered a fresh start in replacing him but didn't. I have no doubt the doctors will not take this decision well but they have their own political agenda and nothing may please them.

    Osborne? He could come back at some point from this but he will have to want to remain an MP. I would imagine some financial institutions will be looking at his political future with interest. Maybe he will decide he is done with Politics.

    Some really big beasts and talented people on the backbenches, I can't imagine Cameron/Osborne/Gove sitting together lol

    Yes a good summary. It really does seem to be a case of making people see out the consequences of their decisions (Hunt, The Terrible Trio) which I'm not sure is the best way of optimising the outcome.

    I like Rudd as HS she is certainly an effective and capable operator, Fallon stays as attack dog, if you have an opportunity to detoxify Health why not take it? Greening deeply unimpressive at anything...

    Politics for me just got a bit more boring as there seem to be a bunch of not-very-interestings now in power.

    If this is supposed to be the safe pair of hands, getting on with the job, no flashiness cabinet then I suppose it's mission accomplished. I can't help thinking, however (and with no catiness), that this cabinet is unexceptional in brainpower and ability as well as character.

    I will not be watching PM May's first PMQs that's for sure. Perhaps they should screen it at midnight, as a service to all the insomniacs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    So we won't be losing any money after all? Good.

    Unless you are a farmer...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @spignal: Jeremy Hunt: when do I get my £350m a week for the NHS then?
    Andrea Leadsom: as soon as I tell farmers there won't be any more subsidies
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,676
    Scott_P said:

    So we won't be losing any money after all? Good.

    Unless you are a farmer...
    All the farmers I spoke to feared Out because they didn't trust the UK govt to maintain or replicate the subsidies. Now, there is a different discussion to be had about the sense or otherwise of subsidies but dear god if I was a farmer now, knowing La Leaden Leadsom was at the controls of DEFRA, I might be scouring the planning and change of use laws very carefully...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?

    Troll level: master.

    Repeat after me:

    "There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
    Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
    A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
    Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
    [sigh] I was referring to the "repeated inanity"!
    Posting the same trite sentence over and over is really just you spamming this site. Particularly as it was neither humorous nor insightful to begin with.
    Truth hurts doesn't it?

    BTW, Ian:

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    There!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    So we won't be losing any money after all? Good.

    Unless you are a farmer...
    A French farmer possibly.

    Uk farmers will be better off as they will have a global marketplace.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    RobD said:

    Toms said:

    RobD said:

    Toms said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Toms said:

    AndyJS said:

    Owen Smith calls for a second referendum because many voters "now regret their decision".

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
    Second brexit :p
    Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
    The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
    So this referendum was advisory only?
    Yes. But that won't change the fact we'll be leaving.
    Thanks.
    I would have thought such a process should be more rigorous. Grist for the legal community here?
    It's a pity, with much sympathy, that Mr. Meeks is hors de combat. His input would have been interesting.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Scott_P said:

    So we won't be losing any money after all? Good.

    Unless you are a farmer...
    So we're not losing non-EU money by leaving the EU?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471

    jonny83 said:

    ...

    The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. ...

    I don't think they will have to work particularly closely together on the negotiations. The structure appears to indicate that Boris won't be much involved with the Brexit negotiations at all, that will be DD's responsibility. Meanwhile Fox will be trying to set up deals with the US, China, and other far-off lands. I can see some potential problems of overlap in the Fox/Boris responsibilities, but the EU negotiations seem to be squarely DD's problem. I hope he's up to it, I have my doubts on that.
    If before all of this, someone had suggested that Boris/Fox/Davis were the dream team to lead any important negotiation it would have been considered a joke.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    jonny83 said:

    Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.

    The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.

    [Snipped]

    If Brexit turns out to be a disaster, May will own this, regardless of whether the mess was created by the 3 Brexiteers. She's in charge now. So she had better make it clear to them what vision of Brexit she has and make sure they do their best to get it. And the Merkels of this world are going to want to deal with the organ grinder, not the monkeys - whatever their titles.

    I think this is more about making sure that while the negotiations are going on the Brexiteers can't snipe at her and, if what is arrived at is not to the liking of some of them, of having the necessary cover.

    What is more interesting to me is how Hammond will work them. He is the one who will want to ensure that any deal does not eff up the economy so badly. In the end if it does that will do for May and him and the Tories' chances at the next election. So he should want to make sure that he gets the right input into any deal. Whether he will or not is another matter.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    So we're not losing non-EU money by leaving the EU?

    And again you are obsessed by "EU money" which is not what I was talking about, in any of the posts you have latched on to so far.

    Why do you keep wittering on about it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Jonathan said:



    If before all of this, someone had suggested that Boris/Fox/Davis were the dream team to lead any important negotiation it would have been considered a joke.

    Well, at one point there was a suggestion that it might have been Andrea Leadsom, so, in comparison...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Gauke Chief Secretary to the Treasury
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