It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.
It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.
That would be a shame. I mean they've been so effective in Government haven't they?
Scotland? If it's not Mundell, it's going to be interesting. Apart from nice offices, I believe, it isn't the most rewarding job. Mundell is a nice enough man, but you suspect he is happier checking in on his constituency and turning up to vote rather than be responsible for other people's policies.
Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.
Apart from the Boris decision Hunt remaining in post is probably the most surprising to me. I've been largely supportive of Hunt during the industrial action with the Junior Doctors and now feel it's time to impose the contract. But May could have taken the easy option and delivered a fresh start in replacing him but didn't. I have no doubt the doctors will not take this decision well but they have their own political agenda and nothing may please them.
Osborne? He could come back at some point from this but he will have to want to remain an MP. I would imagine some financial institutions will be looking at his political future with interest. Maybe he will decide he is done with Politics.
Some really big beasts and talented people on the backbenches, I can't imagine Cameron/Osborne/Gove sitting together lol
Watching the TdF, what a nightmare - why no crowd barriers at the top of the stage? That minute Froome had to wait for his team must have felt like an hour.
Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.
Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.
Four out of twenty, which is still way more than nationally.
I wonder what Cameron's reshuffle would have looked like if the referendum had tilted the other way. Not much like this, I'd guess!
Normally reshuffles are a five dimensional puzzle to not upset the incumbents, reward the loyal, encourage those that haven't had preferment and refresh the line up while staying within the fixed number of posts. Even when moving from opposition ministers mostly take the posts they have been shadowing.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
Is it truly egalitarian if there are hardly any former public schoolboys and schoolgirls there? You'd think if it was truly egalitarian, based on merit that there would be some. Penalising people for their parents choices is not egalitarian.
Four out of twenty, which is still way more than nationally.
For top grades educationally, I don't think so.
Based solely on pop, about twice what it should be.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
@twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?
Troll level: master.
People who tweet this kind of shite are morons who know nothing of UK agricultural policies pre-EEC.
Were farmers and fishermen not the trade most likely to have voted Leave? Apart from the big agri-businesses with full time administrators, farmers all hate the CAP with a passion.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. ...
I don't think they will have to work particularly closely together on the negotiations. The structure appears to indicate that Boris won't be much involved with the Brexit negotiations at all, that will be DD's responsibility. Meanwhile Fox will be trying to set up deals with the US, China, and other far-off lands. I can see some potential problems of overlap in the Fox/Boris responsibilities, but the EU negotiations seem to be squarely DD's problem. I hope he's up to it, I have my doubts on that.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
It feels like there is a lot less star power in this Cabinet compared to the last one. Getting rid of the Cameroons in totality may be short sighted with such a small majority to defend. Some may seek to leave the house, and in 2020 it will make the gains against the Lib Dems tough to defend.
That would be a shame. I mean they've been so effective in Government haven't they?
At least Letwind won't be in charge of implementing Brexit.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
@twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?
Troll level: master.
People who tweet this kind of shite are morons who know nothing of UK agricultural policies pre-EEC.
Were farmers and fishermen not the trade most likely to have voted Leave? Apart from the big agri-businesses with full time administrators, farmers all hate the CAP with a passion.
It's hard to be nuanced even on here, never mind Twitter.
Round here, the small farmers (mainly hill farms) are likely to be happy. The bigger agri-businesses will be quaking in their boots. As a rule of thumb, MNCs and large businesses like the EU. At some arbitrary point (which varies by sector) smaller businesses don't.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
So this referendum was advisory only?
Yes. But that won't change the fact we'll be leaving.
@twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?
Troll level: master.
Repeat after me:
"There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
[sigh] I was referring to the "repeated inanity"!
Posting the same trite sentence over and over is really just you spamming this site. Particularly as it was neither humorous nor insightful to begin with.
Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.
Apart from the Boris decision Hunt remaining in post is probably the most surprising to me. I've been largely supportive of Hunt during the industrial action with the Junior Doctors and now feel it's time to impose the contract. But May could have taken the easy option and delivered a fresh start in replacing him but didn't. I have no doubt the doctors will not take this decision well but they have their own political agenda and nothing may please them.
Osborne? He could come back at some point from this but he will have to want to remain an MP. I would imagine some financial institutions will be looking at his political future with interest. Maybe he will decide he is done with Politics.
Some really big beasts and talented people on the backbenches, I can't imagine Cameron/Osborne/Gove sitting together lol
Yes a good summary. It really does seem to be a case of making people see out the consequences of their decisions (Hunt, The Terrible Trio) which I'm not sure is the best way of optimising the outcome.
I like Rudd as HS she is certainly an effective and capable operator, Fallon stays as attack dog, if you have an opportunity to detoxify Health why not take it? Greening deeply unimpressive at anything...
Politics for me just got a bit more boring as there seem to be a bunch of not-very-interestings now in power.
If this is supposed to be the safe pair of hands, getting on with the job, no flashiness cabinet then I suppose it's mission accomplished. I can't help thinking, however (and with no catiness), that this cabinet is unexceptional in brainpower and ability as well as character.
I will not be watching PM May's first PMQs that's for sure. Perhaps they should screen it at midnight, as a service to all the insomniacs.
All the farmers I spoke to feared Out because they didn't trust the UK govt to maintain or replicate the subsidies. Now, there is a different discussion to be had about the sense or otherwise of subsidies but dear god if I was a farmer now, knowing La Leaden Leadsom was at the controls of DEFRA, I might be scouring the planning and change of use laws very carefully...
@twlldun: DEFRA? Send Leadsom to deal with angry farmers complaining about their subsidies being cut?
Troll level: master.
Repeat after me:
"There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
Give us a break from this repeated inanity!
A response to the inane ramblings about us losing "EU Money". You REMAINERs only have yourselves to blame!
Err, no, we Remainers have you to blame. As you'll most probably find out.
[sigh] I was referring to the "repeated inanity"!
Posting the same trite sentence over and over is really just you spamming this site. Particularly as it was neither humorous nor insightful to begin with.
Seriously, and please forgive my ignorance, but is not the Commons the only, final, arbiter in British law? Or did Parliament actually approve the referendum to start with? If it was Cameron's choice, or even that of the Tory party, then sod that.
The AV referendum was binding, this one was not. They parliament did vote to hold a referendum though, so would be stupid to ignore it.
So this referendum was advisory only?
Yes. But that won't change the fact we'll be leaving.
Thanks. I would have thought such a process should be more rigorous. Grist for the legal community here? It's a pity, with much sympathy, that Mr. Meeks is hors de combat. His input would have been interesting.
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. ...
I don't think they will have to work particularly closely together on the negotiations. The structure appears to indicate that Boris won't be much involved with the Brexit negotiations at all, that will be DD's responsibility. Meanwhile Fox will be trying to set up deals with the US, China, and other far-off lands. I can see some potential problems of overlap in the Fox/Boris responsibilities, but the EU negotiations seem to be squarely DD's problem. I hope he's up to it, I have my doubts on that.
If before all of this, someone had suggested that Boris/Fox/Davis were the dream team to lead any important negotiation it would have been considered a joke.
Some interesting choices and perhaps some questionable ones as well. She has the power and the right to choose who she wants and she is clearly stamping her authority in line with her vision for the future. Have to see how it plays out.
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.
[Snipped]
If Brexit turns out to be a disaster, May will own this, regardless of whether the mess was created by the 3 Brexiteers. She's in charge now. So she had better make it clear to them what vision of Brexit she has and make sure they do their best to get it. And the Merkels of this world are going to want to deal with the organ grinder, not the monkeys - whatever their titles.
I think this is more about making sure that while the negotiations are going on the Brexiteers can't snipe at her and, if what is arrived at is not to the liking of some of them, of having the necessary cover.
What is more interesting to me is how Hammond will work them. He is the one who will want to ensure that any deal does not eff up the economy so badly. In the end if it does that will do for May and him and the Tories' chances at the next election. So he should want to make sure that he gets the right input into any deal. Whether he will or not is another matter.
If before all of this, someone had suggested that Boris/Fox/Davis were the dream team to lead any important negotiation it would have been considered a joke.
Well, at one point there was a suggestion that it might have been Andrea Leadsom, so, in comparison...
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twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/753606346440863745
With 2 new departments and only 1 being abolished, surely that limit has been exceeded...
Res publica pleborum
vox populi audiendum est
sine Borisem Etonia delenda est
Unlike Labour (so far).
Troll level: master.
Arf
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-candidate-vows-second-vote-on-brexit-n79bxds9z
Almost zero Nat fightback to May putting them back in their box last night - the Indy dream is dead for 30-40 years IMHO.
They want to make a fuss about brexit, but they don't actually want indyref2, they have no idea even how to start planning for it.
Ruth for the Scottish Office?!
I might have to start channelling some Catullus 16 now
"There is no such thing as "EU Money". There is only taxpayers' money!"
The Boris/Fox/Davis triumvirate for me has potential disaster written all over it. They will have to work together on some pats of the negotiations you would think and all three of them might have a different vision for a post UK brexit. On the one hand May might think Brexit is your mess deal with it and if any of those right wing backbenchers kick up a fuss she can just say well I gave your lot the power to sort it out. But on the other hand if it doesn't work out she could still take damage from it, people will question her judgement.
Apart from the Boris decision Hunt remaining in post is probably the most surprising to me. I've been largely supportive of Hunt during the industrial action with the Junior Doctors and now feel it's time to impose the contract. But May could have taken the easy option and delivered a fresh start in replacing him but didn't. I have no doubt the doctors will not take this decision well but they have their own political agenda and nothing may please them.
Osborne? He could come back at some point from this but he will have to want to remain an MP. I would imagine some financial institutions will be looking at his political future with interest. Maybe he will decide he is done with Politics.
Some really big beasts and talented people on the backbenches, I can't imagine Cameron/Osborne/Gove sitting together lol
It says subsidy, which is the key point...
Based solely on pop, about twice what it should be.
But if there is a second referendum, I will vote leave. I will not be a part of "asking the other parent"
@jessphillips: Id put a fiver on Anna Soubry or Therese Coffey for Leader of the house
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Referendum_Act_2015
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Referendum_Act_2015
Round here, the small farmers (mainly hill farms) are likely to be happy. The bigger agri-businesses will be quaking in their boots. As a rule of thumb, MNCs and large businesses like the EU. At some arbitrary point (which varies by sector) smaller businesses don't.
"The problem we've got is too many foreigners but now Boris is Foreign Secretary he'll take 'em all back with him."
You've got to love the general public.
I like Rudd as HS she is certainly an effective and capable operator, Fallon stays as attack dog, if you have an opportunity to detoxify Health why not take it? Greening deeply unimpressive at anything...
Politics for me just got a bit more boring as there seem to be a bunch of not-very-interestings now in power.
If this is supposed to be the safe pair of hands, getting on with the job, no flashiness cabinet then I suppose it's mission accomplished. I can't help thinking, however (and with no catiness), that this cabinet is unexceptional in brainpower and ability as well as character.
I will not be watching PM May's first PMQs that's for sure. Perhaps they should screen it at midnight, as a service to all the insomniacs.
Andrea Leadsom: as soon as I tell farmers there won't be any more subsidies
BTW, Ian:
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
There!
Uk farmers will be better off as they will have a global marketplace.
I would have thought such a process should be more rigorous. Grist for the legal community here?
It's a pity, with much sympathy, that Mr. Meeks is hors de combat. His input would have been interesting.
I think this is more about making sure that while the negotiations are going on the Brexiteers can't snipe at her and, if what is arrived at is not to the liking of some of them, of having the necessary cover.
What is more interesting to me is how Hammond will work them. He is the one who will want to ensure that any deal does not eff up the economy so badly. In the end if it does that will do for May and him and the Tories' chances at the next election. So he should want to make sure that he gets the right input into any deal. Whether he will or not is another matter.
Why do you keep wittering on about it?