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AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Borough, I think MPs tweeting Leadsom should withdraw helps her. It'll, I imagine, irritate the membership, who they're advocating should have no say.

Keep a tally of those MPs. If it exceeds 6, that's the majority gone.

No it's not, that's like saying May's majority is gone too as Leadsom has more than six supporting her.

If they're calling on her to withdraw now, how loyal do you think they would be to her in future?

Boris will be right behind her. And Crabb.

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Borough, I think MPs tweeting Leadsom should withdraw helps her. It'll, I imagine, irritate the membership, who they're advocating should have no say.

Keep a tally of those MPs. If it exceeds 6, that's the majority gone.

No it's not, that's like saying May's majority is gone too as Leadsom has more than six supporting her.

If they're calling on her to withdraw now, how loyal do you think they would be to her in future?

The future is uncertain.

PlatoSaid said:

anotherDave said:

midwinter said:

GIN1138 said:

anotherDave said:

GIN1138 said:

I think Andrea would be advised to withdraw from the leadership race. Let Theresa take over (she'll almost certainly prove to be a disaster - She's really not a character the public will ever warm to) and then Andrea might be able to have another run in 2020.

Because of one hostile interview? Nonsense.

No, because she's too inexperienced and accident prone. If she was to become leader she'll have a miserable time because she doesn't command the support of her parliamentary party, the media hate her and because she keeps screwing up she doesn't help herself.

Much better to step aside with dignity, let Theresa take take over and prove to the Tories version of Gordon Brown, and then be well placed to have a run with a much fairer wind behind her in 2020.

Got a feeling Ruth Davidson will be in the running for the next Tory leadership and Leadsom didn't compare well with her in the BBC debate.

All Davidson did in that debate was talk over the other team.

I went right off her during the debates. I put it down to the nature of Holyrood - but I found her bombastic and overbearing/self-righteous.

It was a tough gig. They weren't given anything to sell.

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Mike - I think we can all get behind love of ABBA.

Tim Loughton is a very, very bitter man.

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Borough, I think MPs tweeting Leadsom should withdraw helps her. It'll, I imagine, irritate the membership, who they're advocating should have no say.

Keep a tally of those MPs. If it exceeds 6, that's the majority gone.

No it's not, that's like saying May's majority is gone too as Leadsom has more than six supporting her.

If they're calling on her to withdraw now, how loyal do you think they would be to her in future?

The future is uncertain.

Or as in the old joke about the Soviet Union (and subsequently New Labour)

The Future is Certain!
It's the past that keeps changing....

kle4 said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Mike - I think we can all get behind love of ABBA.

Guess who had "Dancing Queen" as one of their Desert Island disks?

CarlottaVance said:

kle4 said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Mike - I think we can all get behind love of ABBA.

Guess who had "Dancing Queen" as one of their Desert Island disks?

Andrea Leadson?

''May is a lame duck before she takes office''

Doesn;t really matter as May won't actually try to do anything. Look at just about everything she says. Its just making room for her inaction.

Ishmael_X said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

1. That was released 28 June 1968. 2. Mr Prasanan's version differs slightly from the original. 3. You cannot assess a song intended to be sung, on a reading of the printed lyrics.

It's Dr. Prasannan, I didn't spend ten years in Evil Medical School Imperial College to be called "mister," thank you very much.

MikeK said:

Ishmael_X said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

1. That was released 28 June 1968. 2. Mr Prasanan's version differs slightly from the original. 3. You cannot assess a song intended to be sung, on a reading of the printed lyrics.

I do know that Sunil changed the words. 1968 is near enough post sixties for me.

I know I'm a bit of an 80s afficionado (I wasn't even born till the mid-70s), but I absolutely love that Kinks song - hence the thread-relevant "homage"

AlastairMeeks said:

Wanderer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

anotherDave said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Philip_Thompson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Borough, I think MPs tweeting Leadsom should withdraw helps her. It'll, I imagine, irritate the membership, who they're advocating should have no say.

Keep a tally of those MPs. If it exceeds 6, that's the majority gone.

No it's not, that's like saying May's majority is gone too as Leadsom has more than six supporting her.

If they're calling on her to withdraw now, how loyal do you think they would be to her in future?

Grovelling sycophancy?

I don't think you really have the hang of how small majorities work, which is odd because the headbanger Europhobic MPs have been giving a tutorial since the last election.

Leadsom would have a hellish time getting anything through the Commons. The question is how easy May would find it. She'd be very unwise to delay an election, imho.

Her commitment not to hold one before 2020 is the strangest thing she has said so far. It looks completely foolish to me.

I think it a play for stability 'this is not the time' sort of thing as people are very uncertain right now, but it's the sort of thing I can see being dropped if it seems convenient - she'll say matters have changed and it's time, and if she looks like winning, her party will forgive the change in position.

anotherDave said:

kle4 said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Mike - I think we can all get behind love of ABBA.

Money, money, money is the first music vid I can recall.

For me it was The Wall (Pink Floyd), Xmas number 1, 1979.

stjohn said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

JosiasJessop said:

rcs1000 said:

Having children taught me some important new skills: like how to hold a baby, a glass of wine and a book simultaneously.

A baby, a glass of wine, a book, and RCS are at a river. RCS has one boat fitting one item and himself. If he takes the wine, the baby will eat the book. If he takes the book the baby will drink the wine; however, the book will not damage the wine. How does he transport them all safely?

Added note: he is not allowed to use a Gulfstream.

He eats the baby.

He makes a little raft for the baby and the book and pulls these alongside the boat as he savours the wine.

It would be helpful to know

a) What the book is called? "How to make rafts", would be useful.
b) The quality of the wine?

Is the book perchance of a substantial size, constructed from balsa wood and with a hollowed out centre, i.e. ideal therefore for transporting babies, raft like? If so it's mission accomplished.

JosiasJessop said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

Abba's overhyped tosh.

But it's a good question: what is the 'best' song from each decade? for me: 1960s: Eleanor Rigby. 1970s: Space Oddity or Bohemian Rhapsody. 1980s: Blue Monday. 1990s: Girls & Boys. 2000s: no idea!

90s: Madonna - Vogue. That was super song.

I used to have her soundtrack to Dick Tracey. Really good album.

AlastairMeeks said:

Since this is a betting site, it is worth noting that Betfair hasn't reacted all that much to the story in the Times. Andrea Leadsom was hovering around 4.3 last night and has stayed around 4.9 since the story broke.

Yep. Good point. I'm guessing punters are taking the view that this won't change many minds in the membership despite the twitter storm.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Meeks, there's an argument an election creates more uncertainty.

The timing of the election and Article 50 will be interesting.

Mr Dancer - I actually think there's good reason to wait on GE. If Labour's standoff continues and drags on then the Conservative position improves over time. I wouldn't trouble with an election whilst Labour is on fire, I'd wait until they were a pile of ashes.

A50 is more difficult to determine. There's advantage to waiting but not too long. So I guess December-February would be the rough timing.

MikeK said:

Ishmael_X said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that lights on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.

I wish today could be tomorrow,
The night is dark,
It just brings sorrow anyway.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

Gays I'll remember all my life,
Gays when you can't see wrong from right.
You took my life,
But then I knew that very soon you'd leave me,
But it's all right,
Now I'm not frightened of this world, believe me.
Gays.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.

I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

1. That was released 28 June 1968. 2. Mr Prasanan's version differs slightly from the original. 3. You cannot assess a song intended to be sung, on a reading of the printed lyrics.

I do know that Sunil changed the words. 1968 is near enough post sixties for me.

Ah, those first, golden 3 years.

'Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) -
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.'

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Since this is a betting site, it is worth noting that Betfair hasn't reacted all that much to the story in the Times. Andrea Leadsom was hovering around 4.3 last night and has stayed around 4.9 since the story broke.

Yep. Good point. I'm guessing punters are taking the view that this won't change many minds in the membership despite the twitter storm.

That's my own view as it happens. EEA Leavers were already clutching their pearls at the thought of a Leadsom premiership and all this has done is fortify them in their views. True believers may well regard the cause as infinitely more important.

No one is picking Andrea Leadsom for her political experience or adroitness.

anotherDave said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

anotherDave said:

kle4 said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

snip

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Mike - I think we can all get behind love of ABBA.

Money, money, money is the first music vid I can recall.

For me it was The Wall (Pink Floyd), Xmas number 1, 1979.

Lots of school children in the video? I certainly remember the song being on TOTP.

As a Pink Floyd fan, I have ordered the Royal Mail's new band album cover postage stamp collection. Got emailed yesterday to say the demand had been so huge I will have to wait another week or two.

Mr. Jessop, indeed. Can't recall it happening before either.

Mr. Jim, someone here suggested late year (calendar year) made sense as otherwise we'd pay a year's fees for 2 months (if February) of membership.

AlastairMeeks said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Since this is a betting site, it is worth noting that Betfair hasn't reacted all that much to the story in the Times. Andrea Leadsom was hovering around 4.3 last night and has stayed around 4.9 since the story broke.

Yep. Good point. I'm guessing punters are taking the view that this won't change many minds in the membership despite the twitter storm.

That's my own view as it happens. EEA Leavers were already clutching their pearls at the thought of a Leadsom premiership and all this has done is fortify them in their views. True believers may well regard the cause as infinitely more important.

No one is picking Andrea Leadsom for her political experience or adroitness.

Presumably it doesn't occur to them that Leadsom's inexperience will lead to a period of chaos during which nothing much will get done, EEA or otherwise. We'll trigger A50 within five minutes of her taking office and then...nothing but arguments, platitudes about apple pie and gaffes that upset the French/Germans etc.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Is Mrs Leadsom leaving it too late to throw in the towel in the next couple of days, on the basis that after reflecting on her situation in having less than 1/3 of the MPs support it would make her position as PM untenable. et etc?

Short of a health issue, neither candidate is going to drop out.

AlastairMeeks said:

Since this is a betting site, it is worth noting that Betfair hasn't reacted all that much to the story in the Times. Andrea Leadsom was hovering around 4.3 last night and has stayed around 4.9 since the story broke.

Is the conservative party in the country really going to be outraged by the assertion that motherhood is meritorious? No...

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

rottenborough said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Since this is a betting site, it is worth noting that Betfair hasn't reacted all that much to the story in the Times. Andrea Leadsom was hovering around 4.3 last night and has stayed around 4.9 since the story broke.

Yep. Good point. I'm guessing punters are taking the view that this won't change many minds in the membership despite the twitter storm.

That's my own view as it happens. EEA Leavers were already clutching their pearls at the thought of a Leadsom premiership and all this has done is fortify them in their views. True believers may well regard the cause as infinitely more important.

No one is picking Andrea Leadsom for her political experience or adroitness.

Would LEEAvers be a useful neologism?

An excellent one. I'm stealing that!

O/T and for any PBers that have some knowledge of American law.

What would happen if a black man was pulled over by the police and then shot and killed a policeman as he approached, using self defence as the justification. He could use the recent killing as justification that he was in fear of his life!

Ishmael_X said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

MikeK said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Marriage has more than just state "involvement". It's basically a state thing - a fact blurred in England by the fact that the C of E can't decide whether it (the C of E) is church or state. Note that no other religion except the C of E can create a marriage without giving 28 days notice to the Register Office. We have piled so much cultural and religious junk on top of the basic legal relationship that it's difficult to see what objection there is to piling gay marriage on with all the other stuff. Oddly, I think I would be vehemently offended by the idea that I might want to enter a gay marriage, if I were actually gay, on the grounds that it is patronising and uncle Tom-ish and no one has solved the problem of how the groom and groom should dress without looking silly. But Leadsom wibbling about a lot of Christians writing to her about it is just plain silly.

Thank you for the Gays,
Those endless Gays, those sacred Gays you gave me.
I'm thinking of the Gays,
I won't forget a single Gay, believe me.


I bless the light,
I bless the light that shines on you believe me.
And though you're gone,
You're with me every single Gay, believe me.
Gays.

Is it any wonder that I think modern pop, post 1960's, is absolute rubbish; except ABBA of course.

1. That was released 28 June 1968. 2. Mr Prasanan's version differs slightly from the original. 3. You cannot assess a song intended to be sung, on a reading of the printed lyrics.

It's Dr. Prasannan, I didn't spend ten years in Evil Medical School Imperial College to be called "mister," thank you very much.

I am a Dr myself, and so sensitive on the topic I had already corrected my post. (Only a pretend PhD doctor incidentally, before anyone asks for a Heimlich manoeuvre).

Slightly off topic: Recently Dr Heimlich got to do his eponymous manoeuvre for the first time in an emergency at the youthful age of 96:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36400365

Morris_Dancer said:

F1: red flag, Ericsson's crashed. May or may not be ready for qualifying.

Looking at the force of the impact, I'd guess he might be medicalled out of qualifying, regardless of whether they can repair the car. Probably wrong though.

According to some elsewhere, his knee came up on impact and knocked the steering wheel off.

Blue_rog said:

O/T and for any PBers that have some knowledge of American law.

What would happen if a black man was pulled over by the police and then shot and killed a policeman as he approached, using self defence as the justification. He could use the recent killing as justification that he was in fear of his life!

In light of recent events, I’d have thought the shoe was on the other foot.

anotherDave said:

Blue_rog said:

O/T and for any PBers that have some knowledge of American law.

What would happen if a black man was pulled over by the police and then shot and killed a policeman as he approached, using self defence as the justification. He could use the recent killing as justification that he was in fear of his life!

You did hear the news of 5 policemen being killed in Dallas?

Yes, but that is different - a loony sniper

I would expect some more strange happenings in both parties. Who would have cast Michael Gove in the role of a suicide bomber taking out himself and Boris?

Angela Eagle vs Andrea Leadsome at GE 2020?

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed

PlatoSaid said:

anotherDave said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

What did she say?

It was pretty short. How disgusted she was, that she'd been repeatedly asked about her children etc, made it crystal clear that she didn't want any comparison drawn with May.

I didn't get the impression she was standing down - more incandescent at her words being framed in a misleading way.

She has obviously not heard of the first law of holes!

IanB2 said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

She is really annoyed at the way they tried to twist her words by quoting them verbatim.

The Times headline wasn't justified by Leadsom's remarks was it?

Murdock's The Sun and The Times are both backing May and have an agenda. They are going to get attacked by Leadson so better watch out.

The Daily Mail is also pro May. Will any news organisation back Leadsom - The Daily Express?

PlatoSaid said:

anotherDave said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

What did she say?

It was pretty short. How disgusted she was, that she'd been repeatedly asked about her children etc, made it crystal clear that she didn't want any comparison drawn with May.

I didn't get the impression she was standing down - more incandescent at her words being framed in a misleading way.

I don't think she quite understands how she was being foolish though - you can say you don't want a comparison drawn, but if the rest of your words draw that comparison, and hers did, it isn't unreasonable for people to do so. Being angry at the media will play well for her I suspect, but though I agree with those who say there was no deliberate malice in her words, I do think she's not got grounds to accuse the reporting of being misleading all that much. If I say I don't want to make a comparison between me and poster y, then go on to say how the important thing for me is that I'm honest and not a lying toe rag, it would not be remarkable to think I was drawing a comparison.

Good day to all.

IanB2 said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

She is really annoyed at the way they tried to twist her words by quoting them verbatim.

Perhaps she really is the Tory Corbyn then!

David_Evershed said:

IanB2 said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

She is really annoyed at the way they tried to twist her words by quoting them verbatim.

The Times headline wasn't justified by Leadsom's remarks was it?

Murdock's The Sun and The Times are both backing May and have an agenda. They are going to get attacked by Leadson so better watch out.

The Daily Mail is also pro May. Will any news organisation back Leadsom - The Daily Express?

AL: "So really carefully because I am sure, I don't really know Theresa very well but I am sure she will be really really sad she doesn't have children so I don't want this to be 'Andrea has children, Theresa hasn't' because I think that would be really horrible.
"But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.
"She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.
"So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'. Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine. My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."

It's pretty bad.

You can't say "I don't want comparisons" and then immediately draw a comparison.

PlatoSaid said:

anotherDave said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

What did she say?

It was pretty short. How disgusted she was, that she'd been repeatedly asked about her children etc, made it crystal clear that she didn't want any comparison drawn with May.

I didn't get the impression she was standing down - more incandescent at her words being framed in a misleading way.

Leadsom is clear that she is not claiming an edge over May in the PM contest because she is a mother.

But by newspapers asking her if she is a mother and her answering yes, the media is doing the job for her of pointing out that she is a mother whereas May isn't.

Surely a win win for Leadsom as far as Conservative members are concerned..

MaxPB said:

I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.

I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.

We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.

David_Evershed said:

PlatoSaid said:

anotherDave said:

PlatoSaid said:

Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.

What did she say?

It was pretty short. How disgusted she was, that she'd been repeatedly asked about her children etc, made it crystal clear that she didn't want any comparison drawn with May.

I didn't get the impression she was standing down - more incandescent at her words being framed in a misleading way.

Leadsom is clear that she is not claiming an edge over May in the PM contest because she is a mother.

But by newspapers asking her if she is a mother and her answering yes, the media is doing the job for her of pointing out that she is a mother whereas May isn't.

Surely a win win for Leadsom as far as Conservative members are concerned..

That is not what Leadsom said. She said she was't drawing a comparison, then drew the comparison and suggested being a mother did give her an edge, the quotes bear that out, all that stuff about being invested more and thinking more about the future because she has kids, which given she was talking about May voluntarily means she is saying May would not think the same.

Maybe it will play well or at least not negatively with Tory members, but it is taking the piss for Leadsom to claim she was not drawing a comparison, just because she said she wasn't.

SimonStClare said:

Blue_rog said:

O/T and for any PBers that have some knowledge of American law.

What would happen if a black man was pulled over by the police and then shot and killed a policeman as he approached, using self defence as the justification. He could use the recent killing as justification that he was in fear of his life!

In light of recent events, I’d have thought the shoe was on the other foot.

In 2015, 1,140 people were killed by the US police and other law enforcement agencies.

In 2015, 16 law enforcement officers were killed by gunfire, however in 2016 so far, the number is already 26.

Betting Post

Will include this in the pre-qualifying when it goes up, but have backed Alonso at 2.04 to reach Q3 (the top 10). He's been top 10 in every practice session (6th, 7th and 10th). So, a shade over evens with Betfair seems a bit long.

https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/706579080557240325

I wonder what her CV for that job application was like?

Mr T,

I think you're right. I've never said "as a father and grandfather blah blah blah."

I remember a friend showing me a reader's letter from the local paper in Barnet many years ago. Something along the lines of "As a survivor of the horrible conflict of the second world war, I believe I can comment on the tree-pruning services of the council. They are disgraceful."

grabcocque said:

Can't wait for May's response. Expect she'll put the boot in with a dignified but murderous magnanimity.

If she's any sense she won't even mention it. Michael Corleone attended the baptism of his godchild while his henchmen slaughtered the opposition. Same idea.