Can't wait for May's response. Expect she'll put the boot in with a dignified but murderous magnanimity.
The best thing to do is not respond.
If there is one strength to May it is her expertise at masterly inactivity!
That works as a minister but not as a PM because a PM has to show leadership..
May's inactivity and reluctance to compromise does run the risk of running down the A50 clock, forcing a last minute scramble or an unceremonious exit.
She has towering talents like Letwin, Mundell , IDS and suchlike to help her, what could possibly go wrong.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
Trouble is all this started because she wanted to go double or quits on getting a job with Boris. Even last week we were mostly assuming she'd be in May's top team.
Leadsom just on Sky - she's really pissed off with The Times. Statement, no questions.
She is really annoyed at the way they tried to twist her words by quoting them verbatim.
The Times headline wasn't justified by Leadsom's remarks was it?
Murdock's The Sun and The Times are both backing May and have an agenda. They are going to get attacked by Leadson so better watch out.
The Daily Mail is also pro May. Will any news organisation back Leadsom - The Daily Express?
The headline was that Leadsom claimed being a mother gave her the edge on May.
In an interview about a leadership contest where Leadsom had volunteered being a mother as one of her key attributes. Then without prompting referred to it being sad that her opponent has no children, and in the same answer gone on to explain in detail how being a mother gave her a stake in the future and meant she would be more keen to avoid a downturn. Etc.
In the circumstances I suggest that the headline is not only accurate but relatively restrained. If the interview had been with the Sun? That last question left as an 'exercise for the reader', as those old textbooks used to say.
Without seeing the previous questions we can't tell if it was unprompted.
ConHome have the full transcript, the lead question was, what differences are there between yourself and Theresa May or something along those lines. She brought up having children unprompted and then the interviewer gave her enough rope to hang herself.
I'm not sure if this means it's on or it's off. One or the other. Or possibly Don't Know.
Yvette/Chuka should now lead the PLP. Freeze out the left in parliament. Then go through the process of destroying the Momentum group through a well financed #savinglabour campaign. Corbyn and his rabble will be gone by end 2017.
Two absolute donkeys, a snake oil salesman and an absolute no hoper. Labour are well and truly F****** if that is what they have to depend on.
Morning Malc and thanks for your kind words sir!
Morning Bob, I could have just laughed at your rapier wit , but I took the bait and told the truth
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Comedy Gold - and I'm a leaver who predicted both a leave win and Tory majority in 2015 on the back of winning libdem seats here.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. May.
I find school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
It does feel as though ordinarily sensible people are overlooking a lot for the sake of ideological purity at the moment. This must be how Labour moderates feel when talking to the likes of Nick Palmer about Corbyn.
The thing to remember about Corbyn is that he has united the PLP against the hard left - it's not just moderates and "Blairites" that believe he is incapable of leadership. And, if the rumours are true, even some of those who supported him in the vote of no confidence have now lost confidence in him.
The other important point to note is that having abandoned its entire fiscal and economic policy, the government has made it easier for Labour to stand on an anti-austerity platform without being laughed out of court. It's not just Corbyn who can make that case now.
To be fair to Nick - and I say this as probably his sternest critic on here - he has always said it is about the policies. Let's now see if that is the case.
The audio released backs up the Times article, they were exact quotes not something twisted by the journalist. If she was somehow led by the journalist to making her crass comments (which frankly doesn't look the case) then she wasn't clearly savvy enough to spot the trap and she didn't walk or stumble into it she sprinted into it.
In terms of Labour a party split might be the only realistic option left, if they finally have the courage to present a challenger to Corbyn for the leadership Corbyn will win due to their electoral rules. Even the threat of a split might spook the Unions enough into sacrificing Corbyn to save the party. Perhaps the ones behind the coup need to start releasing rumors to the press about meeting up to discuss starting a new party or setting it into motion.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Comedy Gold - and I'm a leaver who predicted both a leave win and Tory majority in 2015 on the back of winning libdem seats here.
I am serious.
I want May to win, and I will be voting for her. But Tory party members are a distinct electorate. Painting herself as motherhood and apple pie, as well as being the new Thatcher is tremendous marketing when the first day or so media narrative was 'who is this Leadsom - we know lots about May, solid and safe choice, great office of state yada yada'. however it is done, it is good tactics. Especially if it is part of a larger media strategy to drown out May's coverage.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
I'm not sure if this means it's on or it's off. One or the other. Or possibly Don't Know.
Yvette/Chuka should now lead the PLP. Freeze out the left in parliament. Then go through the process of destroying the Momentum group through a well financed #savinglabour campaign. Corbyn and his rabble will be gone by end 2017.
Two absolute donkeys, a snake oil salesman and an absolute no hoper. Labour are well and truly F****** if that is what they have to depend on.
All of which are an improvement over the incumbent.
Yes, at least the Tories faced with exactly the same lineup still have some chance of going for the fifth one.
'Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.'
Strange, can't remember your outrage when Yvette Cooper's campaign made same point about Liz Kendall
'Yvette Cooper attacked by Liz Kendall allies in 'childless' row ... www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › Labour
7 Jul 2015 - Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, has been accused of highlighting the fact her Labour leadership rival Liz Kendall does not have any children to ... they are voting for him cos he has a kid and the other guy doesn't.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
C'mon now a bit unfair to put Salmond in the same light as May. May is head and shoulders above him.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
Journalists concentrating on "investigating" Leadsom at the moment but as the campaign goes on they will get bored with that and turn their attention to investigating May.
6 pages on whether Andrea Leadsom thinks being a mother would make her a better PM.
Not a single word on May's record in one of the great offices of state.
Got to love the serious commentators on PB...
I do take your point. May is hardly Winston Churchill (wartime version). However, for me, it's come down to the practicalities. We have an accidental candidate versus one that has the bulk of the PCP support.
We mustn't do a Labour here. I voted Leave and I'll be voting May. That's because while Brexit is a huge deal, it isn't the only deal. There are more things in life than Brexit. It's a departmental manner. May could put Gove or Leadsom in charge of that department. It'd be fine. I don't need (and neither does the country, I would contend) a fire-breathing true believer in No 10.
May isn't the best candidate in the Conservative party. But I'm not being offered my pick of the bunch, in the same way that EuRef was a binary choice. No nuances allowed. It has to be May.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Yes, I have an aunt who is infertile, the subject has never been mentioned and we were told as children not to bring it up. She loved my sister and I as if we were her own children growing up, along with the rest of my cousins. Looking back you could see just how much it hurt for her not to be able to have her own children. I'm astonished by the comparison made by Leadsom.
I suspect the truth is not some much being nasty, but literally having nothing else to say. She has no idea what to do with the premiership. This is Chauncey Gardiner all over again.
Yes, that makes sense. Just sitting there thinking Ooh, three things, Um, God, dunno, that's difficult, oh.. Wait. I've got kids. Theresa hasn't. Yes. I'll say that.
So she said it.
A charitable conclusion is that she's just a bit dim, as you imply.
Was the "three things" format in vogue before, or did HM bring it into fashion?
I'm not sure if this means it's on or it's off. One or the other. Or possibly Don't Know.
Yvette/Chuka should now lead the PLP. Freeze out the left in parliament. Then go through the process of destroying the Momentum group through a well financed #savinglabour campaign. Corbyn and his rabble will be gone by end 2017.
Two absolute donkeys, a snake oil salesman and an absolute no hoper. Labour are well and truly F****** if that is what they have to depend on.
All of which are an improvement over the incumbent.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Comedy Gold - and I'm a leaver who predicted both a leave win and Tory majority in 2015 on the back of winning libdem seats here.
I am serious.
I want May to win, and I will be voting for her. But Tory party members are a distinct electorate. Painting herself as motherhood and apple pie, as well as being the new Thatcher is tremendous marketing when the first day or so media narrative was 'who is this Leadsom - we know lots about May, solid and safe choice, great office of state yada yada'. however it is done, it is good tactics. Especially if it is part of a larger media strategy to drown out May's coverage.
Whilst it's not a route I'd go down, that Mr & Mrs May didn't adopt is the next logical way this story goes.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
There has to be a Leaver in the membership ballot otherwise when May wins the leadership and signs up to EFTA/EEA it will make it even more difficult politically if she is not seen as having been given a full mandate, the only winners would be UKIP (who are going to be winners anyway now Leadsom has virtually no chance of winning, Kippers backed Leadsom but for party advantage they really want May)
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
Kippers will want to know whether she cleans behind the fridge no doubt.
The audio released backs up the Times article, they were exact quotes not something twisted by the journalist. If she was somehow led by the journalist to making her crass comments (which frankly doesn't look the case) then she wasn't clearly savvy enough to spot the trap and she didn't walk or stumble into it she sprinted into it.
In terms of Labour a party split might be the only realistic option left, if they finally have the courage to present a challenger to Corbyn for the leadership Corbyn will win due to their electoral rules. Even the threat of a split might spook the Unions enough into sacrificing Corbyn to save the party. Perhaps the ones behind the coup need to start releasing rumors to the press about meeting up to discuss starting a new party or setting it into motion.
The reason there has not been a challenge to Corbyn so far is that every single Labour MP feels a huge sense of loyalty to and affection for the Labour party. From the outside, that may seem misguided and weak, but that's how it is. Every possibility of preventing an all out civil war would have to be exhausted before one is declared. It does seem as if we have now reached that point, though.
The PLP knows that if Corbyn is re-elected a split is unavoidable. If nothing else a lot of them are gong to be deselected, so will not sit under the Labour whip in the Commons. As a result, they have nothing much to lose. It's going to be interesting.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
Lol I was agreeing with your sentiments you turnip.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Even The Times wasn't exactly a remain cheerleader other than a few Matthew Parris pieces every so often. Leave had fair coverage. The Sunday Times came out for Leave as well.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Didn't The Times support Leave as well? Their editorial of her is also pretty critical.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Ah yes. Godwin's law strikes again. May is like Hitler because neither had children.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Yes, I have an aunt who is infertile, the subject has never been mentioned and we were told as children not to bring it up. She loved my sister and I as if we were her own children growing up, along with the rest of my cousins. Looking back you could see just how much it hurt for her not to be able to have her own children. I'm astonished by the comparison made by Leadsom.
I suspect the truth is not some much being nasty, but literally having nothing else to say. She has no idea what to do with the premiership. This is Chauncey Gardiner all over again.
Yes, that makes sense. Just sitting there thinking Ooh, three things, Um, God, dunno, that's difficult, oh.. Wait. I've got kids. Theresa hasn't. Yes. I'll say that.
So she said it.
A charitable conclusion is that she's just a bit dim, as you imply.
Was the "three things" format in vogue before, or did HM bring it into fashion?
She wasn't asked for three things, she was asked how she is different from May. Normal advice to a politician is to talk only about what you want the story to be, rather than what the reporter might want as a story. Hence one thing was enough. If her killer point was that she understands the economy (... better than May) then she should have just stuck to that. Given the uneconomic uncertainty we all face, that is actually one of her few selling points, assuming she was doing more than just the filing, at Barclays et al.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse.
On your second question, party members often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Even The Times wasn't exactly a remain cheerleader other than a few Matthew Parris pieces every so often. Leave had fair coverage. The Sunday Times came out for Leave as well.
Nonsense - in the last week/Jo Cox and ever since, The Times is beyond one eyed.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Many people seem to have issues about the definition of a "fair fight". Especially when the odds are greatly stacked in their favour, and yet they still lose!
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
C'mon now a bit unfair to put Salmond in the same light as May. May is head and shoulders above him.
Are u seriously comparing Hitler to May.
May could not lace Salmond's boots, you are obviously at the kidding.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Didn't The Times support Leave as well? Their editorial of her is also pretty critical.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Even The Times wasn't exactly a remain cheerleader other than a few Matthew Parris pieces every so often. Leave had fair coverage. The Sunday Times came out for Leave as well.
Nonsense - in the last week/Jo Cox and ever since, The Times is beyond one eyed.
Is it The Times that was one eyed or you? I voted leave and campaigned with Vote Leave, I just didn't and don't see it.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Ah yes. Godwin's law strikes again. May is like Hitler because neither had children.
6 pages on whether Andrea Leadsom thinks being a mother would make her a better PM.
Not a single word on May's record in one of the great offices of state.
Got to love the serious commentators on PB...
I do take your point. May is hardly Winston Churchill (wartime version). However, for me, it's come down to the practicalities. We have an accidental candidate versus one that has the bulk of the PCP support.
We mustn't do a Labour here. I voted Leave and I'll be voting May. That's because while Brexit is a huge deal, it isn't the only deal. There are more things in life than Brexit. It's a departmental manner. May could put Gove or Leadsom in charge of that department. It'd be fine. I don't need (and neither does the country, I would contend) a fire-breathing true believer in No 10.
Well, this is where our paths diverge. We've had non-fire-breathing 'chillaxers' at the helm of a Tory-led Government for 6 years. Far from some Prince Metternich style 'realpolitik' steering of the ship of state, we've had 6 years of waste, debt, bombing, trying to get us into wars, creeping authoritarianism, etc. I don't mind compromises being made along the way. But we must not confuse compromises made in the interests of our country, with comprising THE interests of our country.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
Kippers will want to know whether she cleans behind the fridge no doubt.
Investigatory journalists should be looking behind each candidate's fridge to determine which is the cleanest.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
AFAIK C. Eng is a work-based qualification, not one obtained by full-time study. Same applies to the various Institute Memberships. And, sadly, ungrammatical essays in technical subjects at universities do not tend to get as marked down as, IMHO, they should.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
Lol I was agreeing with your sentiments you turnip.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.
I was joking as well so a pair of turnips. I just said to my wife after laughing at your post , how witty I was and you go and burst my bubble by thinking I was serious.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
I'm very sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse. It must be very difficult to come to terms with. Bless you for considering adoption. It's one of the scandals in this country that so few children are successfully adopted.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse.
On your second question, party members are often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
I think the most concerning thing about Leadsom is the question marks over her competence. If running a leadership campaign (and specifically, media management) is a real struggle for her how will she fare in running the country?
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Childless people: Leonardo da Vinci. Immanuel Kant. Elizabeth the First. Sir Isaac Newton. Call me blinkered, but I'd prefer any of them as Tory leader to gifted mother Andrea Leadsom
Parenthood turned your life around. Don't ignore its significance.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Childless people: Leonardo da Vinci. Immanuel Kant. Elizabeth the First. Sir Isaac Newton. Call me blinkered, but I'd prefer any of them as Tory leader to gifted mother Andrea Leadsom
Strange, I really thought it was you who made that impassioned tweet during the indyref about 'Please don't take my daughter's identity away', and further posting during EUref about your concern for your children's future.
I must have been mistaken - you would never have been so crassly insensitive to the barren.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
Lol I was agreeing with your sentiments you turnip.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.</blockquote
I had a guy for a job interview ( internal company job ), he had multiple degrees and super clever. he had gone to uni in Scotland and loved climbing so had kept taking courses till he got chucked out at the 10 year maximum point, he said he was devastated at the time.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse.
On your second question, party members are often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
I think the most concerning thing about Leadsom is the question marks over her competence. If running a leadership campaign (and specifically, media management) is a real struggle for her how will she fare in running the country?
I'd throw the fibs into the mix too. She gets found out very easily.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Ah yes. Godwin's law strikes again. May is like Hitler because neither had children.
Except Hitler did have a son Jean-Marie Loret
"Leadsom like Hitler because both had children" revellation.
OK Andrea's leadership campaign has crashed and burned. She should now do the honourable thing and step out of the race, it will be painful but she should be honest and say "my inexperience has shown during this campaign that I am not ready to be PM and although I never meant any harm by my comments I know I shouldn't have said them". Said down gracefully instead of losing ungracefully.
I sincerely hope not. May has been crowned by the Remain media and not a spec of investigation/questioning. Hagiograhy sums up about 80% of it.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
Are the The Sun, The Mail, and The Telegraph the Remain media?
Didn't The Times support Leave as well? Their editorial of her is also pretty critical.
The Times was Remain and The Sunday Times was for Leave.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
Kippers will want to know whether she cleans behind the fridge no doubt.
Not a single word on May's record in one of the great offices of state.
.
Which is?
Well May has managed to be Home Secretary for six years without managing to get herself into a media shitstorm like this....
Yes. 6 years of not putting her head over the parapet. That's the sum total. It's risible.
If only a politician was brilliant enough to campaign on the basis that they would spend five years heading off all potential crises and otherwise would keep out of our way and let people get on with their lives without undue meddling (except reading our emails now and again)!
That would be perfect (except the bit about the emails).
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
I'm very sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse. It must be very difficult to come to terms with. Bless you for considering adoption. It's one of the scandals in this country that so few children are successfully adopted.
I've tried to think of it from a positive perspective: that in the future I can hopefully give someone in need a home and a great upbringing. I'm 22, not home-owner and I only work part-time due to uni, so I'm not in a position now to foster or adopt. My aunt fosters children and so many of the kids I've spoken to have had very traumatic experiences within social services. This is one of the big reasons why I would like to foster/adopt. Every child deserves to have a fantastic childhood.
I've listened to the interview as posted by @Gadfly earlier, I don't know what Leadsom is complaining about. She was given a softball question about her being proud of her family, she then went on to draw the comparison between herself and May to paint May in a negative light. The interviewer didn't even mention Mrs May.
I find her lack of compassion pretty disconcerting. She claims to be a Christian, but I'm sure that compassion is one of the foundations of the religion having sat through endless sermons while at school.
We don't know what the preceding questions were. There seems to be an audio recording available, but the Times have chosen not to release it.
There is a longer transcript on ConHome.
The open question that led to the conversation was "what is the main difference between you and Theresa May?". In answer to which Leadsom volunteers understanding the economy, being an optimist, and having children.
The interviewer then not surprisingly starts to explore the third of these.
I don't see any defence for Leadsom in the longer transcript? Indeed the emphasis in the original question "difference from May" makes bringing up children even worse. (And entirely justifies the Times headline)
I've got friends with no kids. People who, I know, wanted kids. We talk about everything under the sun from sex to death to God to spin bowling. But, like any sentient human being, I know never to go near THAT subject, unless they start talking about it first. Which they generally don't.
It's an unspoken human rule. You don't mention it. Because it is pointlessly hurtful.
I think Leadsom is probably guiltier of stupid naivety than active nastiness. But it still damages her, badly.
Politics is a rough old game. May's childlessness is of interest as was Heath's failure to marry.
Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.
The life experience of the PM candidates is surely important?
Whatever we think of MPs, their lives are unbelievably busy, and they are rarely at home. Ministers even more so. I guess some journalists are right now doing some digging.
Kippers will want to know whether she cleans behind the fridge no doubt.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Mr Bedfordshire, even though you have milked the public purse to an unbelievable degree, I assume you met the 10 years on the university teat and you are expelled, I applaud your BRASS neck. Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper. At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments. PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
Lol I was agreeing with your sentiments you turnip.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.
Malcolm, when you are writing humour, do you think in the Doric or in Gaelic? In either case, there’s something lacking in the translation!
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Portillo too, remember Tebbit's remarks about IDS being 'a normal family man with children' at the time of the 2001 Tory leadership election. Not surprisingly Tebbit is now backing Leadsom
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
Bless. All of you waving your letters from real dump Unis like Imperial College and Oxford like it means something.
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse.
On your second question, party members are often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
I think the most concerning thing about Leadsom is the question marks over her competence. If running a leadership campaign (and specifically, media management) is a real struggle for her how will she fare in running the country?
I'd throw the fibs into the mix too. She gets found out very easily.
Agreed. CV-gate and now this unravelled pretty quickly. Interestingly, this is another parallel between Leadsom and Corbyn. Both are absolutely diabolical at media management and are economical with the truth.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
I've yet to receive a professorship, an FRS or a Lordship
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
As previously noted, Lib Dems are the most educated.
David Evershed BSc(Eng), PhD, MIET, C.Eng, FCMA, CGMA
I had a guy for a job interview ( internal company job ), he had multiple degrees and super clever. he had gone to uni in Scotland and loved climbing so had kept taking courses till he got chucked out at the 10 year maximum point, he said he was devastated at the time.
Oh dear - and dosent mean so much now since Major turned the polytechnics into universitites and then Blair decided half tbe population should go.
It was about 10-20% when I went in the late 80s. Even then tbere were guys doing Phds who seemed to be trying to avoid the rigours of the real world for as long as possible.
It only takes seven years at most to get a Phd via batchelors and masters. What was he doing the other three?
I was diagnosed with primary ovarian failure earlier this year. I hope to be able to foster or adopt children in the future. If I am unsuccessful in this does Leadsom believe that people such as me do not care about the future of this country?
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Sorry to hear that Ms Apocalypse.
On your second question, party members are often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
I think the most concerning thing about Leadsom is the question marks over her competence. If running a leadership campaign (and specifically, media management) is a real struggle for her how will she fare in running the country?
I'd throw the fibs into the mix too. She gets found out very easily.
And crisis handling - since the story appeared she's stoked the flames, not doused them....
Not a single word on May's record in one of the great offices of state.
.
Which is?
Well May has managed to be Home Secretary for six years without managing to get herself into a media shitstorm like this....
Yes. 6 years of not putting her head over the parapet. That's the sum total. It's risible.
If only a politician was brilliant enough to campaign on the basis that they would spend five years heading off all potential crises and otherwise would keep out of our way and let people get on with their lives without undue meddling (except reading our emails now and again)!
That would be perfect (except the bit about the emails).
Without undue meddling? This is MAY we're speaking about?
The parents of Aysha King might have something to say about that. The dying boy who the NHS was so determined to keep within it's 'care' that it used the European Arrest Warrant that May needlessly (even the Lib Dems were surprised) opted into, to have his parents arrested for seeking treatment for him elsewhere.
That is REAL politics - REAL decisions, that say something either about real character (Theresa is a committed europhile masquerading as a eurosceptic) or lack of it (she bent to pressure from Cameron and Osborne).
Alternatively everyone could choose to be influenced by twitter wanking itself to a stump over a less than dazzling interview.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
As previously noted, Lib Dems are the most educated.
David Evershed BSc(Eng), PhD, MIET, C.Eng, FCMA, CGMA
That list looks incomplete.... where's your BCC? (Bar Chart Certificate)
Went over to see Con Home's reaction to the story and the subsequent recording coming out as I thought there was no possible way this could be spun in a positive light for Leadsom. Foolishly I was wrong...
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
Bless. All of you waving your letters from real dump Unis like Imperial College and Oxford like it means something.
Not a single word on May's record in one of the great offices of state.
.
Which is?
Well May has managed to be Home Secretary for six years without managing to get herself into a media shitstorm like this....
Yes. 6 years of not putting her head over the parapet. That's the sum total. It's risible.
If only a politician was brilliant enough to campaign on the basis that they would spend five years heading off all potential crises and otherwise would keep out of our way and let people get on with their lives without undue meddling (except reading our emails now and again)!
That would be perfect (except the bit about the emails).
Without undue meddling? This is MAY we're speaking about?
The parents of Aysha King might have something to say about that. The dying boy who the NHS was so determined to keep within it's 'care' that it used the European Arrest Warrant that May needlessly (even the Lib Dems were surprised) opted into, to have his parents arrested for seeking treatment for him elsewhere.
That is REAL politics - REAL decisions, that say something either about real character (Theresa is a committed europhile masquerading as a eurosceptic) or lack of it (she bent to pressure from Cameron and Osborne).
Alternatively everyone could choose to be influenced by twitter wanking itself to a stump over a less than dazzling interview.
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Childless people: Leonardo da Vinci. Immanuel Kant. Elizabeth the First. Sir Isaac Newton. Call me blinkered, but I'd prefer any of them as Tory leader to gifted mother Andrea Leadsom
One wonders how negotiations between Prime Minister Leadsom and the childless Chancellor of Germany might go. The diplomatic exchanges would be a treat to listen to.
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
As previously noted, Lib Dems are the most educated.
David Evershed BSc(Eng), PhD, MIET, C.Eng, FCMA, CGMA
That list looks incomplete.... where's your BCC? (Bar Chart Certificate)
Being a PhD holder myself, I have Dr still on my passport (the companies I worked for would book foreign flights for me). However, I always put Mr on anything else. I have this worry otherwise that someone would come running up and ask for medical assistance.
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Ahem!!!
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
Oh no. Ive started a letters after your name willy waving contest.
As previously noted, Lib Dems are the most educated.
David Evershed BSc(Eng), PhD, MIET, C.Eng, FCMA, CGMA
"Let the bastard die," doesn't sound that sympathetic.
True story: in 2005, was flying home from Calgary after a conference in Banff, Alberta. Mid-way during flight, one of the attendants comes over and asks, "Are you a doctor? We got a passenger with chest pains."
I thought - oh shit, that'll teach me to put "dr" when buying my ticket! Luckily they did find someone else who was medically qualified, so the patient was OK in the end.
It certainly used to be the case that pharmacists with PhD’were specifically instructed NOT to use the title anywhere where the public might become confused.
It is also only a fanny that would do it in any case, bit like those losers that get knighted and then have sycophants calling them Sir, cringeworthy.
Ive got more letters after my name than in it - including my middle name - but rarely use them even at work.
Basically only when Im writing a missive to correct some arrogant twunt then the letters appear on the end which adds to the impact.
Yours Mr Bedfordshire BEng(Hons) CEng MI** MI***
Lol I was agreeing with your sentiments you turnip.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.
Malcolm, when you are writing humour, do you think in the Doric or in Gaelic? In either case, there’s something lacking in the translation!
OKC, it is Scottish humour dark and funny, you southern boys just don't get it. Alternatively I have a warped sense of humour.
12 years of Tory Party modernisation gone at once....
Leadsom supporters probably think modernisation was a mistake and hope that the project departs alongside Cameron. Not remotely surprised Leadsom would think that, though.
I had a guy for a job interview ( internal company job ), he had multiple degrees and super clever. he had gone to uni in Scotland and loved climbing so had kept taking courses till he got chucked out at the 10 year maximum point, he said he was devastated at the time.
Oh dear - and dosent mean so much now since Major turned the polytechnics into universitites and then Blair decided half tbe population should go.
It was about 10-20% when I went in the late 80s. Even then tbere were guys doing Phds who seemed to be trying to avoid the rigours of the real world for as long as possible.
It only takes seven years at most to get a Phd via batchelors and masters. What was he doing the other three?
This was one of the points I made during Euref. All the sneering about older voters being less educated. It's because people generally didn't go to university back in the day. It didn't even hit 20% until the very early 90s. From memory, in my cohort (1979), 13% went onto Higher Education.
I had a guy for a job interview ( internal company job ), he had multiple degrees and super clever. he had gone to uni in Scotland and loved climbing so had kept taking courses till he got chucked out at the 10 year maximum point, he said he was devastated at the time.
Oh dear - and dosent mean so much now since Major turned the polytechnics into universitites and then Blair decided half tbe population should go.
It was about 10-20% when I went in the late 80s. Even then tbere were guys doing Phds who seemed to be trying to avoid the rigours of the real world for as long as possible.
It only takes seven years at most to get a Phd via batchelors and masters. What was he doing the other three?
Leadsom is top of the news billing - and the electorate now know that Leadsom has children, and May doesn't. Whether this should be an issue aside, the way it was done aside, like Leave's 350m claim, I don't think this is going to harm her.
Salmond, Sturgeon, Heath, Hague, Hilter, May etc. There's always been a suspicion about the barren who wish to lead. All terribly unfair.
Childless people: Leonardo da Vinci. Immanuel Kant. Elizabeth the First. Sir Isaac Newton. Call me blinkered, but I'd prefer any of them as Tory leader to gifted mother Andrea Leadsom
Strange, I really thought it was you who made that impassioned tweet during the indyref about 'Please don't take my daughter's identity away', and further posting during EUref about your concern for your children's future.
I must have been mistaken - you would never have been so crassly insensitive to the barren.
Yawn. There's a difference between that - and explicitly referring to someone else's unwanted childlessness. Which IS what I did to Tyson, and for which I apologised.
You expressed a specific concern for the future based on parenthood. I don't have any kids yet. I find people's obsession with their own kids faintly funny, but I don't think it's wicked or deliberately insensitive.
Leadsom has been in 'my kids' mode for the entirety of the Brexit campaign. I imagine that it's been an essential counter-argument to the loud claims from Remainers that Brexiters are retired wreckers who don't care about future generations.
Personally I'd rather see her attacked on her record - all I've heard so far is that Osborne doesn't like her.
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The other important point to note is that having abandoned its entire fiscal and economic policy, the government has made it easier for Labour to stand on an anti-austerity platform without being laughed out of court. It's not just Corbyn who can make that case now.
To be fair to Nick - and I say this as probably his sternest critic on here - he has always said it is about the policies. Let's now see if that is the case.
In terms of Labour a party split might be the only realistic option left, if they finally have the courage to present a challenger to Corbyn for the leadership Corbyn will win due to their electoral rules. Even the threat of a split might spook the Unions enough into sacrificing Corbyn to save the party. Perhaps the ones behind the coup need to start releasing rumors to the press about meeting up to discuss starting a new party or setting it into motion.
Electing a PM without proper scrutiny is an expediency driven mistake. Whomever wins/loses, they need to be seen to be beaten in a fair fight.
I want May to win, and I will be voting for her. But Tory party members are a distinct electorate. Painting herself as motherhood and apple pie, as well as being the new Thatcher is tremendous marketing when the first day or so media narrative was 'who is this Leadsom - we know lots about May, solid and safe choice, great office of state yada yada'. however it is done, it is good tactics. Especially if it is part of a larger media strategy to drown out May's coverage.
'Not at all. It's off limits, as any decent person should know.'
Strange, can't remember your outrage when Yvette Cooper's campaign made same point about Liz Kendall
'Yvette Cooper attacked by Liz Kendall allies in 'childless' row ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › Labour
7 Jul 2015 - Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, has been accused of highlighting the fact her Labour leadership rival Liz Kendall does not have any children to ... they are voting for him cos he has a kid and the other guy doesn't.
I do not understand how anyone can support and trust this woman. She is a liar and an incredibly divisive figure at a time when our country needs unity.
Are u seriously comparing Hitler to May.
Only then will we know May better as a person.
We mustn't do a Labour here. I voted Leave and I'll be voting May. That's because while Brexit is a huge deal, it isn't the only deal. There are more things in life than Brexit. It's a departmental manner. May could put Gove or Leadsom in charge of that department. It'd be fine. I don't need (and neither does the country, I would contend) a fire-breathing true believer in No 10.
May isn't the best candidate in the Conservative party. But I'm not being offered my pick of the bunch, in the same way that EuRef was a binary choice. No nuances allowed. It has to be May.
Having failed to understand my short note , it seems our largesse was completely wasted as a fool would have recognised that I was posting as a modest self effacing person who does not need to be wearing silly letters on their chest to prove they can use a pen and paper.
At least you are not as silly as that and just enjoy the fact that you have an alphabet after your name that you can admire in your private moments.
PS: Did they not teach grammar at your multitude of universities.
(edited to try to get my bit out of the quote)
The PLP knows that if Corbyn is re-elected a split is unavoidable. If nothing else a lot of them are gong to be deselected, so will not sit under the Labour whip in the Commons. As a result, they have nothing much to lose. It's going to be interesting.
And it was only three years at University on unpaid leave from work and back to work during the holidays. The other four were privately funded by my employer as day release to get an ONC and HNC but you dont get letters for that.
On your second question, party members often project their expectations of competency and electability on those prospective leaders whose policies most closely match their desires. I was tempted towards Leadsom because of her small business regulation bonfire idea - but her A50 approach is mad and suggests, to me, inexperience. That said, I don't imagine many party members will be as concerned about that as those on here...
The country should be told.
And, sadly, ungrammatical essays in technical subjects at universities do not tend to get as marked down as, IMHO, they should.
PS: she HALF agreed with me
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/corbyn-hoping-tories-go-for-an-unelectable-fanatic-as-well-20160708110461
Sunil Prasannan, BSc. (Hons.), ARCS, PhD, DIC*
*that's Diploma of Imperial College, NOT Drunk in charge!
TheWhiteRabbit BSc.
That's Bronze Swimming Certificate.
I must have been mistaken - you would never have been so crassly insensitive to the barren.
Topped by this one though I think:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/tickets-to-london-property-crash-already-sold-out-20160708110479
That would be perfect (except the bit about the emails).
https://twitter.com/ianbirrell/status/751685576869474304
David Evershed BSc(Eng), PhD, MIET, C.Eng, FCMA, CGMA
12 years of Tory Party modernisation gone at once....
It was about 10-20% when I went in the late 80s. Even then tbere were guys doing Phds who seemed to be trying to avoid the rigours of the real world for as long as possible.
It only takes seven years at most to get a Phd via batchelors and masters. What was he doing the other three?
The parents of Aysha King might have something to say about that. The dying boy who the NHS was so determined to keep within it's 'care' that it used the European Arrest Warrant that May needlessly (even the Lib Dems were surprised) opted into, to have his parents arrested for seeking treatment for him elsewhere.
The boy that the NHS tried to condemn to death was free of cancer as of 2015: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11489212/Brain-tumour-boy-Ashya-King-is-free-of-cancer-parents-say.html
That is REAL politics - REAL decisions, that say something either about real character (Theresa is a committed europhile masquerading as a eurosceptic) or lack of it (she bent to pressure from Cameron and Osborne).
Alternatively everyone could choose to be influenced by twitter wanking itself to a stump over a less than dazzling interview.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/jeremy-corbyn-set-for-leadership-challenge-after-peace-talks-fail
Feminism isn't something I feel anything in common with - it's Harperson politics.
Leadsom has been in 'my kids' mode for the entirety of the Brexit campaign. I imagine that it's been an essential counter-argument to the loud claims from Remainers that Brexiters are retired wreckers who don't care about future generations.
Personally I'd rather see her attacked on her record - all I've heard so far is that Osborne doesn't like her.