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Survation survey of 1000+ CON councillors finds
May 46.2%
Leadsom 21.8
Gove 5.1
DK/Refused 22.8

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Broken Blair on the slide...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,908
    edited July 2016
    Wot, no Chilcot?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,983
    Wow, just logged on and a new thread!

    Good afternoon, everybody.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,899
    edited July 2016
    Third like Leadsom
    Fourth like Crabb
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    RepublicanTory said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    BannedInParis said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jobabob said:

    You'd have to think that Chuka might now be a decent outside bet for the leadership. He was only 25 years of age when the Iraq War kicked off in 2003, and did not come to Parliament until 2010.

    Agreed, Chuka opposed the Iraq War at the time but otherwise is basically a Blairite
    Not the best - but A FAR FAR better choice than Angela Eagle.
    Except for the dog in a man suit business.
    I hope Chuka is able to move beyond his personal issues and (re)gain the composure needed to challenge for the leadership effectively.
    What are these "issues" that people mention??
    Well, Chuka pulled out because of "intrusive press scrutiny" over at least two areas:
    (a) Being a bit of a playboy (well fine)
    (b) His romantic history, and most problematically his sexuality.

    And thus we got tweets like:

    Owen Jones‏@OwenJones84
    I don't have Chuka's politics (at all) But really hope he hasn't been forced to withdraw for anything we shouldn't give a toss about in 2015

    Ben Bradshaw was also a high profile supporter.

    Now I have seen no conclusive evidence of anything. Whatever the truth, Chuka did come across as deeply unhappy when fighting off accusations, which gave the distinct impression there were issues that need to be dealt with of one sort or another.


  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,274
    Hunt is going to impose the contract on Junior Doctors. No choice really it has dragged on long enough and we will never see full agreement from the Junior Doctors.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Afternoon...

    If May in her first cabinet were to give Crabb the Education brief say, would it be a sideways move?

    ...

    I'll get my coat
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    GIN1138 said:

    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,053
    Bush should just have said: "I shall release a full response later. But for the moment: I'm sorry."

    And then disappeared from public life.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Theresa May is being wise. If she is to win - and she very probably is - she needs to command not just most of the Parliamentary party but all of it, given the tiny majority that the Conservatives hold. She will not do that without a mandate from the members as well as from MPs.

    She should cut out the jiggery pokery and face whoever those MPs who are unconvinced by her think she should face. She should have the easy beating of either of them.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    GIN1138 said:

    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.

    For that we would need more consensus driven politics. Very difficult to see that with Corbyn either internal to the Labour Party or across the house.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,983
    Open and robust debate is all very well - and indeed very welcome - but there is that small concern over commitments that prejudice negotiations. A difficult circle to square during a leadership election.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    With all the focus on the Tories and Chilcot over the past week – where are we with the Labour and UKIP leadership contests, have either started yet?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    PlatoSaid said:

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...

    What did you expect of Gove? .... Blair still chatting too ....
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited July 2016
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Theresa May is being wise. If she is to win - and she very probably is - she needs to command not just most of the Parliamentary party but all of it, given the tiny majority that the Conservatives hold. She will not do that without a mandate from the members as well as from MPs.

    She should cut out the jiggery pokery and face whoever those MPs who are unconvinced by her think she should face. She should have the easy beating of either of them.

    Indeed, but trying to prevent Tory MPs engaging in jiggery-pokery in a leadership election is like trying to herd cats through Hampton Court maze.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,908
    DaemonBarber said:

    Afternoon...

    If May in her first cabinet were to give Crabb the Education brief say, would it be a sideways move?

    ...

    I'll get my coat

    I think it more of a "pincer" movement...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,983
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Theresa May is being wise. If she is to win - and she very probably is - she needs to command not just most of the Parliamentary party but all of it, given the tiny majority that the Conservatives hold. She will not do that without a mandate from the members as well as from MPs.

    She should cut out the jiggery pokery and face whoever those MPs who are unconvinced by her think she should face. She should have the easy beating of either of them.

    Presumably there's nothing to stop MPs getting together on a view without any orders from Team May. They are supposed to be a sophisticated electorate, I've read.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Seems the Tory Remainders have learnt nothing.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    WRT Robots vs Humans. Until someone finds a way to

    a) make robots feel empathy
    b) get them to ask questions rather than answer them

    We have a long, long way to go before they catch up with human beings.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Theresa May is being wise. If she is to win - and she very probably is - she needs to command not just most of the Parliamentary party but all of it, given the tiny majority that the Conservatives hold. She will not do that without a mandate from the members as well as from MPs.

    She should cut out the jiggery pokery and face whoever those MPs who are unconvinced by her think she should face. She should have the easy beating of either of them.

    Indeed, but trying to prevent Tory MPs engaging in jiggery-pokery in a leadership election is like trying to herd cats through Hampton Court maze.
    :)
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    My goodness. A point of agreement for us.

    We don't need plaster saints running the country. I'm much more concerned with Leadsom's porkies than whether Chuka snorted something in his mis-spent youth*.

    * For our OGH's sake, I'm not implying he did of course!
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Pauly said:

    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?

    After the election is over, will he retreat into his shell?
    You know, become a bit of a hermit?

    Good job he was clean on his expenses...
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...
    Pah, I've developed a six pack while he was wittering on.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    Afternoon...

    If May in her first cabinet were to give Crabb the Education brief say, would it be a sideways move?

    ...

    I'll get my coat

    I think it more of a "pincer" movement...
    Give him Northern Ireland. He can be a hermit...
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Not unless there are photos :smiley:
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Yet another aspect of politics where new ground is being broken:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/750688219264606208
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,985
    TheWhiteRabbit said:


    Well, Chuka pulled out because of "intrusive press scrutiny" over at least two areas:
    (a) Being a bit of a playboy (well fine)
    (b) His romantic history, and most problematically his sexuality.

    Its 2016. Surely there isn't still Shock and indeed Horror about those of us who don't orient as 0 on the Kinsey scale?

    I don't agree with all of Chukka's politics. But I recognised someone who was saleable and was advocating radical reform in 2015. I was very disappointed that he withdrew after 3 days - but for him now to demand leadership from others having (a) bottled it and (b) been awol ever since seems a bit rich. Even for someone as flamboyant as Chukka.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    edited July 2016
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Yet another aspect of politics where new ground is being broken:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/750688219264606208

    I do think the Doctors have overplayed their hand on this one. If they don't like it we'll just get more in from Euro... oh wait !

    Their bargaining position is alot stronger post Brexit !
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Like one or two of my bridge partners, Tony Blair is showing more creativity in the post mortem than he managed in the play of the hand.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    edited July 2016
    Wonder what HMQ thinks to recent events?

    She's seen her country pull out of the EU (after her very subtle interventions on the behalf of the LEAVE campaign) and now her tenth (and one suspects least liked) Prime Minister is publicly shredded! :smiley:
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    old_labour said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...
    Pah, I've developed a six pack while he was wittering on.
    :smiley:
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,780
    old_labour said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think these extraordinary past couple of weeks are kind of like the final "death throes" of the whole Blair era.

    Brexit and Chilcot, painful and jarring as they are, will allow us to finally move on from the 1994-2016 era.

    Hopefully, from the ruins, will emerge a new, vibrant, kinder (and hopefully far less cynical) politics.

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...
    Pah, I've developed a six pack while he was wittering on.
    He's hoping to hit 45 minutes and then be taken away from it all by incoming WMD.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,541
    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.
    Perhaps it involved goats?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Pulpstar said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Yet another aspect of politics where new ground is being broken:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/750688219264606208

    I do think the Doctors have overplayed their hand on this one. If they don't like it we'll just get more in from Euro... oh wait !

    Their bargaining position is alot stronger post Brexit !
    I do think the Doctors have overplayed their hand on this one. If they don't like it we'll just get more in from Euro... the rest of the World.

    FIFY.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    JackW said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    He's still talking - I've watched Jeremy Kyle, read several Times articles, caught up with PB, fed the cat...

    What did you expect of Gove? .... Blair still chatting too ....
    Gove getting all Churchillian? "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    SeanT said:

    I'm hearing that Blair has been going on so long, Charlie Falconer has resigned in protest.

    The straw that broke the camel's back Sean.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.
    Perhaps it involved goats?
    Long as it's not Pigs we'll be alright! :smiley:
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    John_M said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    My goodness. A point of agreement for us.

    We don't need plaster saints running the country. I'm much more concerned with Leadsom's porkies than whether Chuka snorted something in his mis-spent youth*.

    * For our OGH's sake, I'm not implying he did of course!
    I've agreed with you about plenty of stuff John. Not least your sensible approach to post-Brexit EEA.

    But quite. Those who moralise about such matters should ask themselves whether they would disqualify from a political career anyone who has ever broken the speed limit.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,780
    DaemonBarber said:

    Pauly said:

    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?

    After the election is over, will he retreat into his shell?
    You know, become a bit of a hermit?

    Good job he was clean on his expenses...
    I remember going to see an SPL match at Tannadice Park and one of the players kids shuffling on sideways as a mascot.

    I asked the Dundonian bloke beside me what was up with the kid.

    "Scott Crabbe's" he replied.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    Jobabob said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm hearing that Blair has been going on so long, Charlie Falconer has resigned in protest.

    The straw that broke the camel's back Sean.
    Tear up your next Labour leader betslips,

    Simba has confirmed he will run for leadership of the Labour party. He didn't vote for the Iraq war and reckons his chances are "better than 50-50" against Eagle.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Gordon Brown enjoyed his cold dish of revenge with a glass or two of Chilcot?

    Odd how he hasn't had anything to say to the world on that war in Iraq.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.

    Why? I'd hazard a guess that most MPs have broken the law at some stage in their lives.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 238
    TheWhiteRabbit said:


    (b) His romantic history, and most problematically his sexuality.


    As I understand it - via third-hand Chinese whispers from Streatham Labour people admittedly - there are some things that Chukka would like to keep from some of his older relatives who have rather less liberal views. Might be that he just doesn't want to cause them upset or shock, but could also be a legitimate fear of being disowned or disinherited?

    Either way, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he made another bid for leader once said individuals have passed on and nobody bats an eyelid.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    old_labour said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Not unless there are photos :smiley:

    There were photos of Ozzy, but they didn't stop him being Chancellor.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,053
    I fear Blair's just said something factually incorrect: ISIS were not formed in Syria; they were formed in Iraq and then moved into Syria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,985
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.
    Perhaps it involved goats?
    Can't be worse than pigs. And other substances? Isn't there a certain very senior member of the front bench whose eyes are regularly glazed and pointing in different directions?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    SirBenjamin said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:


    (b) His romantic history, and most problematically his sexuality.


    As I understand it - via third-hand Chinese whispers from Streatham Labour people admittedly - there are some things that Chukka would like to keep from some of his older relatives who have rather less liberal views. Might be that he just doesn't want to cause them upset or shock, but could also be a legitimate fear of being disowned or disinherited?

    Either way, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he made another bid for leader once said individuals have passed on and nobody bats an eyelid.
    I know it was a sorry mess for him, but I don't know enough to say what sort of sorry mess.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    Jobabob said:

    old_labour said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Not unless there are photos :smiley:

    There were photos of Ozzy, but they didn't stop him being Chancellor.
    Probably stopped Boris from being PM though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    JosiasJessop said:

    I fear Blair's just said something factually incorrect: ISIS were not formed in Syria; they were formed in Iraq and then moved into Syria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    Blair's entire argument that the situation in Syria somehow justifies intervening in Iraq is based on absolutely tortured logic, not to mention 'lies'.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm hearing that Blair has been going on so long, Charlie Falconer has resigned in protest.

    The straw that broke the camel's back Sean.
    Tear up your next Labour leader betslips,

    Simba has confirmed he will run for leadership of the Labour party. He didn't vote for the Iraq war and reckons his chances are "better than 50-50" against Eagle.
    The prescient among us backed him when he was a 100-1 longshot. I'd assumed PBers had been keeping up?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Pauly said:

    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?

    there was an vaguely innocent time when STD meant subscriber trunk dialling.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Yet another aspect of politics where new ground is being broken:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/750688219264606208

    I do think the Doctors have overplayed their hand on this one. If they don't like it we'll just get more in from Euro... oh wait !

    Their bargaining position is alot stronger post Brexit !
    No, it's not. Post Brexit, the country is in a flinty mood. We all know we are going to be quite a bit poorer, for a while.

    A lot of well paid young doctors demanding even more money suddenly doesn't look so good. Sympathy will shrivel.
    but.. but.. what happened to £350m a week extra for the NHS...?
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    MaxPB said:

    Jobabob said:

    old_labour said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Not unless there are photos :smiley:

    There were photos of Ozzy, but they didn't stop him being Chancellor.
    Probably stopped Boris from being PM though.
    Fair point but funnily enough I think cheating on your wife when you are a family man is seen as rather worse than living the high life, these days.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The one person who has hardly been mentioned today is Goldsmith, his Masters Voice. From a January legal opinion which said a second resolution was needed, to early March where he indicated that the situation had changed but a second resolution was still needed. Then miraculously, he changed his mind in mid-March after flying to Washington.

    The point is regardless of the fact the Americans would have gone ahead anyway, a legal opinion that in international law a second resolution is needed does not change just because one was not forthcoming.

    Another was the JIC Chairman. A year or so later he was actually promoted to Chief of MI5 despite it becoming clear by this time taht they had sold a pup.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Pulpstar said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Yet another aspect of politics where new ground is being broken:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/750688219264606208

    I do think the Doctors have overplayed their hand on this one. If they don't like it we'll just get more in from Euro... oh wait !

    Their bargaining position is alot stronger post Brexit !
    We won't be leaving for a few years and even if we do a points based system will easily allow in many highly skilled junior doctors. Junior doctors have overplayed their hand.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Like most people I've got a fairly tortuous and inconsistent view of what I'd consider a bar to a political career. I could handle youthful excess with drink, drugs, sexual partners, daft political views, offensive fancy dress, the odd bit of brawling.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    SquareRoot said:

    Pauly said:

    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?

    there was an vaguely innocent time when STD meant subscriber trunk dialling.
    And strictly speaking, crabs are not an STD either.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,053
    williamglenn said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    I fear Blair's just said something factually incorrect: ISIS were not formed in Syria; they were formed in Iraq and then moved into Syria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    Blair's entire argument that the situation in Syria somehow justifies intervening in Iraq is based on absolutely tortured logic, not to mention 'lies'.
    The situation in the ME is complex. 'Mistakes' like that show he should be nowhere near the ME's problems.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    Off topic - Just what was going on with George Osborne during the 2016 budget ?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.
  • PrinceofTarantoPrinceofTaranto Posts: 335
    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    Jobabob said:

    MaxPB said:

    Jobabob said:

    old_labour said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Not unless there are photos :smiley:

    There were photos of Ozzy, but they didn't stop him being Chancellor.
    Probably stopped Boris from being PM though.
    Fair point but funnily enough I think cheating on your wife when you are a family man is seen as rather worse than living the high life, these days.
    Unless it was just that Cameron was fortunate in which end of the pig he got?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Yes, it's a masterful response (didn't see the start of it).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,908
    Jobabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.

    Why? I'd hazard a guess that most MPs have broken the law at some stage in their lives.
    "186 Indian Members of Parliament Have Criminal Cases Including Murder and Rape"

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/186-indian-members-parliament-have-criminal-cases-including-murder-rape-600584
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    That's a pretty low comment.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Jobabob said:

    SeanT said:

    Jobabob said:

    Chuka lived the high life, so what? Everyone knows that anyway. He was a DJ in Manchester in the nineties for crying out loud. I can't understand why anyone should give a hen's toss what he does in his private life. I suspect he is over-worrying about this.

    Depends if what he did was legal.

    Why? I'd hazard a guess that most MPs have broken the law at some stage in their lives.
    "186 Indian Members of Parliament Have Criminal Cases Including Murder and Rape"

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/186-indian-members-parliament-have-criminal-cases-including-murder-rape-600584
    THe majority of MPs in Brazil who then impeached the President.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Are politicians in this country just judged by how well they can talk bollocks these days ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    Jobabob said:

    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    That's a pretty low comment.
    Driven by the same ideological purity as those who harass Labour women MPs that oppose Corbyn. The similarities between Leadsom and Corbyn are becoming more and more difficult to ignore.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    surbiton said:

    The one person who has hardly been mentioned today is Goldsmith, his Masters Voice. From a January legal opinion which said a second resolution was needed, to early March where he indicated that the situation had changed but a second resolution was still needed. Then miraculously, he changed his mind in mid-March after flying to Washington.

    The point is regardless of the fact the Americans would have gone ahead anyway, a legal opinion that in international law a second resolution is needed does not change just because one was not forthcoming.

    Another was the JIC Chairman. A year or so later he was actually promoted to Chief of MI5 despite it becoming clear by this time taht they had sold a pup.

    Are you suggesting that there was corruption at the highest levels, Mr Surbiton?

    Surely not. Ths is the Labour Party that we are talking about.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    MaxPB said:

    Jobabob said:

    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    That's a pretty low comment.
    Driven by the same ideological purity as those who harass Labour women MPs that oppose Corbyn. The similarities between Leadsom and Corbyn are becoming more and more difficult to ignore.
    Indeed. Two sides of the same coin.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    Federer not yet out of Wimbledon - saves a match point....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    edited July 2016
    Two people have a debate:

    One talks the pure unvarnished truth, but their delivery is stunted, stilted, poor.

    The other talks utter crap, but in a rousing, excellent manner and gets everyone else to agree with them.

    Who is right ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,397
    DaemonBarber said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Pauly said:

    Can we have a ban on Crabb jokes involving the word sideways or the STD?

    there was an vaguely innocent time when STD meant subscriber trunk dialling.
    And strictly speaking, crabs are not an STD either.
    Is that what you told your wife?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    MaxPB said:

    Jobabob said:

    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    That's a pretty low comment.
    Driven by the same ideological purity as those who harass Labour women MPs that oppose Corbyn. The similarities between Leadsom and Corbyn are becoming more and more difficult to ignore.
    I think each represents self-indulgence on the part of members.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Jobabob said:

    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Yes, it's a masterful response (didn't see the start of it).
    Blair is a first class actor.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,908
    MarqueeMark said:

    Federer not yet out of Wimbledon - saves a match point....

    I saw him on Centre Court in his previous match on Monday! Hope he pulls through!
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    @beaubodor: Tony Blair close to tears as he remembers he's not being paid for this speech. #Chilcot
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,817
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Like one or two of my bridge partners, Tony Blair is showing more creativity in the post mortem than he managed in the play of the hand.

    If you start out over-bid then you only have the explanation to play for.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Federer not yet out of Wimbledon - saves a match point....

    I saw him on Centre Court in his previous match on Monday! Hope he pulls through!
    There is some divine tennis being played...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,541
    ABC are now calling 72 Coalition MPs to 66 Labour and 5 Others.

    Of the remaining 7 seats, Labour lead in 5 and the Coalition in 2. But, the leads are tiny, and the Coalition is gaining ground as postal votes are counted.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    Members of the House falling asleep after luncheon is not exactly unknown, so hardly a dreadful offence. Besides, Theresa May is not exactly in the first bloom of youth and many of us richer in years rather like a little nap in the early afternoon.

    Actually, are we sure she was asleep. She may have closed her eyes so as to be better able to concentrate on what was being said - another habit of older people, I do it frequently at concerts, the theatre, on trains and so forth.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Jobabob said:

    PrinceofTaranto said:

    May needs to come clean on her health issues or apologise to the families of our fallen for her disrespect in nodding off during Cameron's statement.Either way she is clearly unfit to be PM.

    That's a pretty low comment.
    Driven by the same ideological purity as those who harass Labour women MPs that oppose Corbyn. The similarities between Leadsom and Corbyn are becoming more and more difficult to ignore.
    I think each represents self-indulgence on the part of members.
    Hopefully the polls and all of the anecdotes are right about the race and May will walk it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Federer not yet out of Wimbledon - saves a match point....

    I saw him on Centre Court in his previous match on Monday! Hope he pulls through!
    There is some divine tennis being played...
    No iPlayer at work. :/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,817
    Jobabob said:

    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Yes, it's a masterful response (didn't see the start of it).
    He was very shaky at the start but now he is dealing with questions he is in his stride
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    May born 1956, seven years before Leadsom.

    Is sixty too old to be PM nowadays?

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Federer saves a second match point.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,899
    https://twitter.com/beaubodor/status/750658748478259200
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,880
    Federer saves another match point. Tie break for the fourth set....
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 439
    Pulpstar said:

    Two people have a debate:

    One talks the pure unvarnished truth, but their delivery is stunted, stilted, poor.

    The other talks utter crap, but in a rousing, excellent manner and gets everyone else to agree with them.

    Who is right ?

    It doesn't matter who's right
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    David_Evershed said:

    May born 1956, seven years before Leadsom.

    Is sixty too old to be PM nowadays?

    Since, given the candidates that both the Democrats and the Republicans are serving up, 70 is apparently not too old to be President of the USA, I can't see why 60 would be too old to be Prime Minister.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,908
    MarqueeMark said:

    Federer saves another match point. Tie break for the fourth set....

    Come on Roger :)
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    David_Evershed said:

    May born 1956, seven years before Leadsom.

    Is sixty too old to be PM nowadays?

    No
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    IanB2 said:

    Jobabob said:

    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Yes, it's a masterful response (didn't see the start of it).
    He was very shaky at the start but now he is dealing with questions he is in his stride
    He's had several months to prepare his defence.

    Journalists have only had a few hours to read the report.

    Good tactical move by Blair to have his press conference while he is at an advantage.
  • mr-claypolemr-claypole Posts: 218
    Cant help but think of Nixon- the wilderness years - when you look at Blair
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    PClipp said:

    Jobabob said:

    stjohn said:

    I disagree with Sean T and others at the end of the last thread. Blair is not broken by Chilcott. He's handling himself well. I'm not commenting on the arguments or the report but Blair's response.

    Yes, it's a masterful response (didn't see the start of it).
    Blair is a first class actor.
    Would that he had gone on the stage. He would have made far more money and been respected. We would have been spared his debasement of cabinet government, the constitution as well as a lot of lives would not have been lost or ruined.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited July 2016
    PClipp said:

    surbiton said:

    The one person who has hardly been mentioned today is Goldsmith, his Masters Voice. From a January legal opinion which said a second resolution was needed, to early March where he indicated that the situation had changed but a second resolution was still needed. Then miraculously, he changed his mind in mid-March after flying to Washington.

    The point is regardless of the fact the Americans would have gone ahead anyway, a legal opinion that in international law a second resolution is needed does not change just because one was not forthcoming.

    Another was the JIC Chairman. A year or so later he was actually promoted to Chief of MI5 despite it becoming clear by this time taht they had sold a pup.

    Are you suggesting that there was corruption at the highest levels, Mr Surbiton?

    Surely not. Ths is the Labour Party that we are talking about.
    This was the Labour party I resigned from in March 2003. Were the decision makers corrupt ? Yes, they were.

    One more point: So many Labour MPs from the time and virtually the entire Tory party [ brave exceptions: Clarke, Heseltine etc. ] says today that they took the decisions they took given what was shown to them.

    How come Robin Cook came to a different and correct decision ?
    In his speech [ perhaps the greatest speech in Parliament in recent years ], he mentions absolutely clear that Iraq did not possess WMD as it was understood by most people.
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