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The CON race has moved on fast following tonight’s first round of MP voting and the decision of Crabb to drop out and back May. The next stage is Thursday’s second round of MP voting to decide the shortlist of two that will go to the members.
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Interesting tweet from The Sun's political editor.
The more I think about it, Stephen Crabb is the ideal candidate for working class Tories like myself that really warmed to David Cameron's One Nation Toryism
@tnewtondunn: Final thought on @scrabbmp: a thoroughly decent man who fought the right One Nation campaign and goes with dignity. He will be PM one day.0 -
I suspect the Tories will want to avoid doing a Corbyn, and letting the members choose a candidate that lacks Parliamentary party support, but I'm more hopeful of a May v Gove final two0
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Awesome pun on the front page of The Sun and interesting they are wanting a May v Gove final two, old Rupe having an influence?
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He probably won't ever be PM.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting tweet from The Sun's political editor.
The more I think about it, Stephen Crabb is the ideal candidate for working class Tories like myself that really warmed to David Cameron's One Nation Toryism
@tnewtondunn: Final thought on @scrabbmp: a thoroughly decent man who fought the right One Nation campaign and goes with dignity. He will be PM one day.
Let's face it, there's more people spoken about in terms of "one day" they will be PM compared to the tiny number of people who actually do become PM...0 -
The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....0
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I'm off to have a butchers at this piece on how Cameron and Osborne screwed up;
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-doomed-campaign0 -
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As May and Gove have published their tax returns can we expect Andrea Leadsom's in the next 24 hours . Also I really cannot get around the thought of an ex banker as a conservative pm, it would be a gift wrapped in gold ribbon to labour0
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fpt:
On that last comment, we need to note that basic farm productivity has more than doubled since WW2, and therefore roughly kept pace with the population.viewcode said:
I've noticed I've spent most of the night responding to your posts, so I'll desist lest it be thought personal. But before I go, I need to point out that even during WWII, with the UK-resident population less than half what it is today, rationing, enormous investment in allotments, and a population well used to growing food in the garden, we were nowhere near food self-sufficiency.HYUFD said:
Well that may encourage us to buy more British meat and fruit and vegetables again, no bad thing!viewcode said:
ISTR we import most of our food.HYUFD said:
The cost of the average supermarket shop does not depend on the value of the dollaralex. said:
Virtually everyone buys lots of goods in dollars. It's what oil is priced in.HYUFD said:
The £ had a high of $1.577 over the last yearviewcode said:
1) We haven't had a high pound for quite a while. A high pound is the Noughties £1=$2.1. Even the £1=$1.5 when the polls shut was pitiful.HYUFD said:I tend to take the view a high pound is not a symbol of the nation's virility, in fact it hits exporters and UK tourism so a relatively low £ for a short while is hardly a disaster
2) £1=$1.3 is not relatively low. £1=$1.3 is extraordinarily low.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/currency/default.stm
Again, unless you are going on holiday to the states or you buy a lot of goods from the states why is a low pound against the dollar of great concern? It may also encourage more Americans to visit London and the UK and help sell more British goods to the US0 -
"The name Jason is actually an English mis-translation of the Greek: 'Eaσων' - Joshua or Jesus."
twitter.com/Conn_Iggulden/status/735223052074680326
Live and learn.0 -
I just don't buy that given a choice May will decide she wants to go up against an experienced, heavyweight intellectual who was wildly popular amongst the membership until lay Tgursday rather than Andra Leadsom. Surely she believes she could destroy her.0
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Fed up with the Tory leadership contest? Can't believe how crazy leavers/remainers* are?
[*Delete as appropriate]
Here's a soothing article from a source more crazy than anything the above can offer. Even The Tap (pbuh) would wonder at its barking lunacy.
Sample quote: "Of course, official Washington will never admit that oil is non-biologic and that Earth is continually replenishing her supply, for that would produce a tsunami wave of repercussions, forcing the Illuminati to alter a great number of their coveted goals, some of which they are very close to completing."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2268.cfm
EDIT: It finishes with "Copying and distributing this article in violation of the above notice is also a violation of God's moral law." Which is just awesome.0 -
Wasn't he in a relationship with her onceDearPB said:0 -
I think she said she would if she got to the last two.IanB2 said:The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....
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I was surprised to how little May earns - she appears to have no other financial interests beyond Home SecBig_G_NorthWales said:As May and Gove have published their tax returns can we expect Andrea Leadsom's in the next 24 hours . Also I really cannot get around the thought of an ex banker as a conservative pm, it would be a gift wrapped in gold ribbon to labour
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That's pretty poor really.Tykejohnno said:0 -
Which her?!!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wasn't he in a relationship with her onceDearPB said:0 -
Andrea LeadsomDearPB said:
Which her?!!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wasn't he in a relationship with her onceDearPB said:0 -
If you were her, weighing up the odds versus the grief, would you really?anotherDave said:
I think she said she would if she got to the last two.IanB2 said:The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....
/edit and, in answer to your point, no, she tried to play for time but didn't have the skills to evade the pressure from Marr, so got pushed into an unwilling yes. And at the time she probably imagined it just meant last year's.0 -
Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg0 -
@suttonnick: Wednesday's Times reports "Leadsom admits ‘misleading’ claims on CV for top job"
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/gaKCD5J3Zs0 -
Hodges came up with '"Leadbangers" as the new "Corbynites".saddened said:
That's pretty poor really.Tykejohnno said:0 -
I see that drivers are about to face another tax on car use in London.0
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DearPB said:
Which her?!!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wasn't he in a relationship with her onceDearPB said:
It May have been Theresa but Andrea Leadsom to believe it was herDearPB said:
Which her?!!?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wasn't he in a relationship with her onceDearPB said:0 -
Leadsom's campaign chief Is wasted in politics, a career on daytime shopping channels beckons…DearPB said:
GroanTykejohnno said:ttps://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/750446461788229632
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Although presumably the amount of land used for agriculture is declining: there are simply more economic uses for land in the UK. (Pheasant shooting, that kind of thing.)MattW said:fpt:
On that last comment, we need to note that basic farm productivity has more than doubled since WW2, and therefore roughly kept pace with the population.viewcode said:
I've noticed I've spent most of the night responding to your posts, so I'll desist lest it be thought personal. But before I go, I need to point out that even during WWII, with the UK-resident population less than half what it is today, rationing, enormous investment in allotments, and a population well used to growing food in the garden, we were nowhere near food self-sufficiency.HYUFD said:
Well that may encourage us to buy more British meat and fruit and vegetables again, no bad thing!viewcode said:
ISTR we import most of our food.HYUFD said:
The cost of the average supermarket shop does not depend on the value of the dollaralex. said:
Virtually everyone buys lots of goods in dollars. It's what oil is priced in.HYUFD said:
The £ had a high of $1.577 over the last yearviewcode said:
1) We haven't had a high pound for quite a while. A high pound is the Noughties £1=$2.1. Even the £1=$1.5 when the polls shut was pitiful.HYUFD said:I tend to take the view a high pound is not a symbol of the nation's virility, in fact it hits exporters and UK tourism so a relatively low £ for a short while is hardly a disaster
2) £1=$1.3 is not relatively low. £1=$1.3 is extraordinarily low.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/currency/default.stm
Again, unless you are going on holiday to the states or you buy a lot of goods from the states why is a low pound against the dollar of great concern? It may also encourage more Americans to visit London and the UK and help sell more British goods to the US0 -
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No, after the Marr interview she modified publishing if she was in the last two.IanB2 said:
If you were her, weighing up the odds versus the grief, would you really?anotherDave said:
I think she said she would if she got to the last two.IanB2 said:The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....
/edit and, in answer to your point, no, she tried to play for time but didn't have the skills to evade the pressure from Marr, so got pushed into an unwilling yes. And at the time she probably imagined it just meant last year's.
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See the Times story upthreadperdix said:http://reaction.life/was-andrea-leadsom-really-such-a-city-hotshot/
Is Andrea such a city hotshot?0 -
This sort of thing is why May will crush LeadsomScott_P said:@suttonnick: Wednesday's Times reports "Leadsom admits ‘misleading’ claims on CV for top job"
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/gaKCD5J3Zs0 -
Remain have snuck a few more seats in NI since 23 June. Excellent news!AndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg0 -
Looking at the media I hope Andrea Leadsom is ready for the storm of questions coming her way from a print media that seems to be pro Theresa May and for the sun, Michael Gove.
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Well that's Leadsom fuckedScott_P said:@suttonnick: Wednesday's Times reports "Leadsom admits ‘misleading’ claims on CV for top job"
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/gaKCD5J3Zs0 -
The abiogenic theory of oil was quite popular with a certain set of 'non traditional' economists until recently.Anorak said:Fed up with the Tory leadership contest? Can't believe how crazy leavers/remainers* are?
[*Delete as appropriate]
Here's a soothing article from a source more crazy than anything the above can offer. Even The Tap (pbuh) would wonder at its barking lunacy.
Sample quote: "Of course, official Washington will never admit that oil is non-biologic and that Earth is continually replenishing her supply, for that would produce a tsunami wave of repercussions, forcing the Illuminati to alter a great number of their coveted goals, some of which they are very close to completing."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2268.cfm
EDIT: It finishes with "Copying and distributing this article in violation of the above notice is also a violation of God's moral law." Which is just awesome.
However, the whole shale gas / tight oil discoveries of the last decade have pretty much conclusively proved it wrong. Simply, if there is a formation where the hydrocarbons are largely immobile, and the deeper parts are gas and the shallower parts oil, it pretty much proves that natural gas (yes, I know there are two different types of natural gas) is what happens to oil which has been baked too long. If oil was constantly seeping up from underground, then surely you'd see gas near the surface (as it's more mobile than oil), and oil deeper down.0 -
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That's a great story Nick. A little polishing on the CV is normal, but it's a little bit more difficult when the job is in the public eye as much as that of an MP!NickPalmer said:
I sent my CV in to a professional CV firm the other day, curious to see what they'd do to it. They changed "Served on the Northern Ireland Select Committee during the period of the peace process" to "Transformed the economy and political system of Northern Ireland".Sandpit said:
To be fair to him, Carney was the only man with a plan on the morning of 24th June, as everyone else was too shell shocked at the result of the referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:
If that's how people write CVs, Carney can claim to have prevented the mooted collapse of Western civilisation and World War 3.
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Not if Andrea wins...Big_G_NorthWales said:In the wider context are we really going to replace the "Bullingdon Club" with an ex Banker for PM
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No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
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Too bad Dave never followed through on one nation Toryism. Like most other of his pronouncements.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting tweet from The Sun's political editor.
The more I think about it, Stephen Crabb is the ideal candidate for working class Tories like myself that really warmed to David Cameron's One Nation Toryism
@tnewtondunn: Final thought on @scrabbmp: a thoroughly decent man who fought the right One Nation campaign and goes with dignity. He will be PM one day.0 -
OK, so my original point stands - she appears to have some, being charitable, imaginative financial arrangements in her past. Her odds of actually winning this contest appear, still, to be relatively long. And her chances of getting a top job offer from May are higher now than they will be later. Plus the country is crying out for a resolution and some leadership.anotherDave said:
No, after the Marr interview she modified publishing if she was in the last two.IanB2 said:
If you were her, weighing up the odds versus the grief, would you really?anotherDave said:
I think she said she would if she got to the last two.IanB2 said:The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....
/edit and, in answer to your point, no, she tried to play for time but didn't have the skills to evade the pressure from Marr, so got pushed into an unwilling yes. And at the time she probably imagined it just meant last year's.
So does she go forward to the member contest, or pull out? Surely it is a no brainer?0 -
FPT:
I'll guess you've not been fasting for the last month then!TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank you, I'm not looking forward to it.Sandpit said:
It's not that bad here, honest. Especially if you can afford to get drunk at £9 a pint!rcs1000 said:
I'd be an angry drunk if I had to live in Dubai.Sean_F said:
Depends if they're happy drunks or angry drunks.foxinsoxuk said:
I am with tyson on this one. All of those people may be fine sober, but get them boozed up with an oval ball about the place and they turn into twats. Rugby is like Golf, a perfectly fine game played by twats.
Next two days are public holidays (Eid Mubarak to @TSE and other Muslims on PB) then I'm heading out of town for a couple of weeks to escape the heat and humidity!
Is one of the two days a year I have to pretend to be a very good, devout Muslim
If it's any consolation, there will be plenty of Christians posting here that get dragged to church at Easter and Christmas, think of it as doing your bit for the greater good of familial harmony.
Eid Mubarak, and good night.
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If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?0
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If Leadsome is not in the final two, expect some amazing whinging
Presumably they polish MP to be PM. So well done Nick!Sandpit said:FPT:
That's a great story Nick. A little polishing on the CV is normal, but it's a little bit more difficult when the job is in the public eye as much as that of an MP!NickPalmer said:
I sent my CV in to a professional CV firm the other day, curious to see what they'd do to it. They changed "Served on the Northern Ireland Select Committee during the period of the peace process" to "Transformed the economy and political system of Northern Ireland".Sandpit said:
To be fair to him, Carney was the only man with a plan on the morning of 24th June, as everyone else was too shell shocked at the result of the referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:
If that's how people write CVs, Carney can claim to have prevented the mooted collapse of Western civilisation and World War 3.0 -
Tiddlywinks?TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
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Andrea Leadsom to believe she was a City high flier*ToryJim said:
This sort of thing is why May will crush LeadsomScott_P said:@suttonnick: Wednesday's Times reports "Leadsom admits ‘misleading’ claims on CV for top job"
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/gaKCD5J3Zs
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David Cameron uses the vote he didn't todayTudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
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They play a game of rock, paper, scissors, lizard, SpockTudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
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@MrHarryCole: Uh oh. Leadsom's Wikipedia page last month Vs. it today. How odd. "Chief Investment Officer " changed to "Senior": https://t.co/QqyZfXWWr10
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She clearly gave it some thought by modifying her answer to if she was in the last two. In May vs Leadsom, she has a shot at the top job.IanB2 said:
OK, so my original point stands - she appears to have some, being charitable, imaginative financial arrangements in her past. Her odds of actually winning this contest appear, still, to be relatively long. And her chances of getting a top job offer from May are higher now than they will be later. Plus the country is crying out for a resolution and some leadership.anotherDave said:
No, after the Marr interview she modified publishing if she was in the last two.IanB2 said:
If you were her, weighing up the odds versus the grief, would you really?anotherDave said:
I think she said she would if she got to the last two.IanB2 said:The thread does presume that Leadsom is willing to publish all those tax returns....
/edit and, in answer to your point, no, she tried to play for time but didn't have the skills to evade the pressure from Marr, so got pushed into an unwilling yes. And at the time she probably imagined it just meant last year's.
So does she go forward to the member contest, or pull out? Surely it is a no brainer?
That said, today's kerfuffle about her CV may see her MP backing shift to Gove.0 -
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots0 -
A quantum singularity is formed and both disappear into the private sector?TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
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It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
You almost had me there0 -
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.0 -
LOLScott_P said:
Not if Andrea wins...Big_G_NorthWales said:In the wider context are we really going to replace the "Bullingdon Club" with an ex Banker for PM
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
David Cameron uses the vote he didn't todayTudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
Originally I'd assumed it was the returning officer who hadn't voted, but he must have - so presumably he doesn't get a casting vote as well.0 -
Amusing story tonight. 108 people in England and Wales are suffering from an E.Coli outbreak as a result of eating mixed salad leaves. Only one Scottish person has been affected.0
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Thanks - if they were both eliminated that would save the coronation issue!AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots0 -
Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.
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Read the title of the URLJobabob said:
It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
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Given Labour's leadership, why worry?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.
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Juncker will curse him every day for the rest of his life.anotherDave said:
Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.0 -
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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No he wasn't making the rules up.AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots
If there is a tie the ballot is re-run. If the same candidates tie again they are both eliminated unless that results in only one candidate remaining. In that situation the vote is re-run until there is no longer a tie. So, as there are only three candidates left, if Leadsom and Gove tie the ballot will be re-run. If it is still a tie it will be re-run repeatedly.0 -
I thought he was blaming Messrs Johnson and Farage?rcs1000 said:
Juncker will curse him every day for the rest of his life.anotherDave said:
Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.
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Although in practice the chances of two candidates tying twice in a row are about zero.TudorRose said:
Thanks - if they were both eliminated that would save the coronation issue!AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots0 -
I don't think she is going to get that plum Cabinet position either.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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As you are around can you recommend a good breakfast place in NYC?rcs1000 said:
Read the title of the URLJobabob said:
It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
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I did - it claims to be a map of Brexit, yet it is not true to say that all council areas of NI voted Remain. The map's inaccurate.rcs1000 said:
Read the title of the URLJobabob said:
It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
You almost had me there
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Yes, he'll be remembered as the loser who lost the referendum...anotherDave said:
Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.
His fate is to live on in infamy with Lord North, Neville Chamberlain and Anthony Eden...0 -
Oh I'm sure Northern Ireland Secretary is a plum job.JonathanD said:
I don't think she is going to get that plum Cabinet position either.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
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With a small knowledgeable electorate though?AndyJS said:
Although in practice the chances of two candidates tying twice in a row are about zero.TudorRose said:
Thanks - if they were both eliminated that would save the coronation issue!AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots0 -
Hello. Not really. I tend to eat in my hotel. (The Royalton). Which is OK, but not amazing.Charles said:
As you are around can you recommend a good breakfast place in NYC?rcs1000 said:
Read the title of the URLJobabob said:
It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
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I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.0
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I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
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Thanks - a bit like a neverendum. Of course the most ironic outcome then would be for the leading candidate to lose so many votes to the tied candidates that she ends up finishing bottom.prh47bridge said:
No he wasn't making the rules up.AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots
If there is a tie the ballot is re-run. If the same candidates tie again they are both eliminated unless that results in only one candidate remaining. In that situation the vote is re-run until there is no longer a tie. So, as there are only three candidates left, if Leadsom and Gove tie the ballot will be re-run. If it is still a tie it will be re-run repeatedly.0 -
Tick tock Mr Tony Bliar...0
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They'll be cursed too.anotherDave said:
I thought he was blaming Messrs Johnson and Farage?rcs1000 said:
Juncker will curse him every day for the rest of his life.anotherDave said:
Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?JonathanD said:
I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.0 -
Same here - 48 Lexrcs1000 said:
Hello. Not really. I tend to eat in my hotel. (The Royalton). Which is OK, but not amazing.Charles said:
As you are around can you recommend a good breakfast place in NYC?rcs1000 said:
Read the title of the URLJobabob said:
It's not quite that unless hardcore unionist DUP areas of NI have suddenly been converted to the noble Remain cause!rcs1000 said:
No it isn't! That places that voted Remain vs LeaveAndyJS said:Here's a map showing the results of the Tory membership ballot. Theresa May is blue, her opponent red:
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/24/08/brexit-map.jpg
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Christ, I hate penalty shoot outs – more seriously, many thanks Mr Bridge for clarifying that.prh47bridge said:
No he wasn't making the rules up.AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots
If there is a tie the ballot is re-run. If the same candidates tie again they are both eliminated unless that results in only one candidate remaining. In that situation the vote is re-run until there is no longer a tie. So, as there are only three candidates left, if Leadsom and Gove tie the ballot will be re-run. If it is still a tie it will be re-run repeatedly.0 -
They'll make up their own minds. But most of them did probably vote Leave.Stark_Dawning said:I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.
Factoid of the Day. Conn Iggulden voted Leave.
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If she makes it on the ballot (not a given at this point) it only takes 51 names to depose her...Stark_Dawning said:I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.
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Just a small but important correction - the Conservative Party Members' Ballot for the new Leader closes on 9th September, a week later than originally announced.0
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Theresa pretty much has this sown up but if there's one thing that will do her in it's the quite obvious (and increasingly nasty) "Get Leadsom" campaign that is presumably being unleashed by Mrs May's team... Will the "establishment" over-play their hand AGAIN like they did in the referendum campaign?Stark_Dawning said:I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.
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That is my view too, hence why I backed Leadsom last night. Obviously I would be far happier with MayStark_Dawning said:I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.
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Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.anotherDave said:
I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
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Ha!TudorRose said:
Thanks - a bit like a neverendum. Of course the most ironic outcome then would be for the leading candidate to lose so many votes to the tied candidates that she ends up finishing bottom.prh47bridge said:
No he wasn't making the rules up.AndyJS said:
Ancram and Davis tied on the first vote in 2001. The chairman of the 1922 committee ordered a re-run and said that if it happened again both candidates would be eliminated. I think he was making the rules up on the hoof on that occasion:TudorRose said:Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2001#The_MPs.27_ballots
If there is a tie the ballot is re-run. If the same candidates tie again they are both eliminated unless that results in only one candidate remaining. In that situation the vote is re-run until there is no longer a tie. So, as there are only three candidates left, if Leadsom and Gove tie the ballot will be re-run. If it is still a tie it will be re-run repeatedly.0 -
But if you believe all the Bremorse statistics from the Remainers (and I don't) then lots of the Leave voters are repenting and will vote for a Remainer.Jobabob said:
That is my view too, hence why I backed Leadsom last night. Obviously I would be far happier with MayStark_Dawning said:I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.
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Fair enough.Charles said:
Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.anotherDave said:
I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
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Is that a role required by regulation (FSA?) to be filled by a named and accountable person? If so, and she's lied about it, she's probably toast.Charles said:
Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.anotherDave said:
I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs LeadsomanotherDave said:
Your team lost. Get over it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.Scott_P said:
If she had any class she would withdraw nowTheScreamingEagles said:Well that's Leadsom fucked
I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
Ask @rcs1000 what he would think of a potential employee at his form who claimed to be CIO when they weren't0 -
Scott_P said:
Not if Andrea wins...Big_G_NorthWales said:In the wider context are we really going to replace the "Bullingdon Club" with an ex Banker for PM
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