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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well that's Leadsom fucked

    If she had any class she would withdraw now
    I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.
    Your team lost. Get over it.

    I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs Leadsom
    I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.

    I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
    Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.

    Ask @rcs1000 what he would think of a potential employee at his form who claimed to be CIO when they weren't
    Is that a role required by regulation (FSA?) to be filled by a named and accountable person? If so, and she's lied about it, she's probably toast.
    From the article:

    "But her job at Perpetual/Invesco Perpetual, 1999-2009, is particularly worthy of closer inspection. I was a fellow employee throughout her time there. Last week, at my prompting, she corrected her CV with Wikipedia and Who’sWho, changing her title from the obviously incorrect Chief Investment Officer to the titles of Senior Investment Officer and Head of Corporate Governance."

    http://reaction.life/was-andrea-leadsom-really-such-a-city-hotshot/
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump in Raleigh, NC shortly...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35PSI34knls
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Jobabob said:

    Sandpit said:

    Jobabob said:

    TudorRose said:

    Anyone know what happens if Leadsom and Gove tie?

    Underwater chess refereed by Charlie Falconer
    Need to find another ref. Charlie Falconer has resigned.
    At desperately short notice. The lack of warnings is amateurish, frankly.
    This is before Chilcot, right? Not after?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.

    Theresa pretty much has this sown up but if there's one thing that will do her in it's the quite obvious (and increasingly nasty) "Get Leadsom" campaign that is presumably being unleashed by Mrs May's team... Will the "establishment" over-play their hand AGAIN like they did in the referendum campaign?
    God, I hope they don't organise the death of one of their supporters again.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229
    edited July 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well that's Leadsom fucked

    If she had any class she would withdraw now
    I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.
    Your team lost. Get over it.

    I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs Leadsom
    I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.

    I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
    Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.

    Ask @rcs1000 what he would think of a potential employee at his form who claimed to be CIO when they weren't
    Is that a role required by regulation (FSA?) to be filled by a named and accountable person? If so, and she's lied about it, she's probably toast.
    For the record, I'd be quite cross if one of my employees claimed to be CIO.

    Edit to add: although I'd use that as excuse to dump all my poor stock picks on the poor sod.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm starting to think that the Tory membership will go for Loathsome - too many of them will have been indoctrinated by this 'Must be a Leaver' / 'A Remainer will represent betrayal' thought control. Many too will look with envious eyes at UKIP's brand of frivolous political purity and will want to mimic, believing that the Kippers have more fun and can get away with stuff. I fear all this will happen.

    Theresa pretty much has this sown up but if there's one thing that will do her in it's the quite obvious (and increasingly nasty) "Get Leadsom" campaign that is presumably being unleashed by Mrs May's team
    My gods - political rivals are trying to undermine each other? This is unprecedented and terrible behaviour!
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    very disappointing Mrs Clinton isn't going to be charged with anything. That would have been hilarious. :)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well that's Leadsom fucked

    If she had any class she would withdraw now
    I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.
    Your team lost. Get over it.

    I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs Leadsom
    I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.

    I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
    Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.

    Ask @rcs1000 what he would think of a potential employee at his form who claimed to be CIO when they weren't
    Is that a role required by regulation (FSA?) to be filled by a named and accountable person? If so, and she's lied about it, she's probably toast.
    I'd assume (but dont know) they might well need a CF1 registration rather than a CF30 as it would be a supervisory position.

    But I'm not sure the FSA cares what is on wiki so long as she doesn't lie on a filing with them.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229

    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well that's Leadsom fucked

    If she had any class she would withdraw now
    I'm sure there's a metaphor to be made out about Andrea Leadsom's CV and the Leave campaign.
    Your team lost. Get over it.

    I am over it. I'm making sure the party and country are led by someone decent and honourable, that clearly isn't Mrs Leadsom
    I don't think allowing someone to read too much into your job title is 'dishonourable'.

    I believe tomorrow they're publishing the report in the Iraq war. Some actions there may qualify.
    Chief Investment Officer is a very specific position.

    Ask @rcs1000 what he would think of a potential employee at his form who claimed to be CIO when they weren't
    Is that a role required by regulation (FSA?) to be filled by a named and accountable person? If so, and she's lied about it, she's probably toast.
    From the article:

    "But her job at Perpetual/Invesco Perpetual, 1999-2009, is particularly worthy of closer inspection. I was a fellow employee throughout her time there. Last week, at my prompting, she corrected her CV with Wikipedia and Who’sWho, changing her title from the obviously incorrect Chief Investment Officer to the titles of Senior Investment Officer and Head of Corporate Governance."

    http://reaction.life/was-andrea-leadsom-really-such-a-city-hotshot/
    Andrea is not - of course - responsible for her Wikipedia page, and shouldn't be updating it herself.

    Who's Who is another matter altogether.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    What happens if Trump wins the national vote share but loses the electoral college? Civil war?
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    AndyJS said:

    TudorRose said:

    Thanks - if they were both eliminated that would save the coronation issue!

    Although in practice the chances of two candidates tying twice in a row are about zero.
    Sorry. I read that as "two candidate lying twice in a row...." Of course, both Leadsome and Gove were part of the infamous Johnson-Farage team, so perhaps my mistake was understandable.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    nunu said:

    What happens if Trump wins the national vote share but loses the electoral college? Civil war?

    The available evidence at the moment suggests the reverse outcome is possible....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    edited July 2016
    nunu said:

    What happens if Trump wins the national vote share but loses the electoral college? Civil war?

    Hey, they have their dumb system and we have our dumb system, and neither is secret, what complaints can people have if that happens? Not saying it wouldn't lead to outrage, but they've presumably kept that system despite that possibility for a reason, and because most accept it.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287
    Theresa May and Michael Gove supported the Iraq war... *innocent face*
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    A few weeks ago Assange said he had several thousand which hadn't been released to date by thr FBI, suggesting that she had held back things from the enquiry (she submitted the emails on paper!). It also begs the question of how Wikileaks got a copy of her mailbox in the first place - was it an employee of Clinton, or a foreign government?
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    dr_spyn said:

    I see that drivers are about to face another tax on car use in London.

    Yes, good isn't it?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    kle4 said:

    nunu said:

    What happens if Trump wins the national vote share but loses the electoral college? Civil war?

    Hey, they have their dumb system and we have our dumb system, and neither is secret, what complaints can people have if that happens? Not saying it wouldn't lead to outrage, but they've presumably kept that system despite that possibility for a reason, and because most accept it.

    I know no system is perfect but have you seen Trump's core supporters, they make ukippers look sane. At least most extreme liberals are against liberal gun laws.........
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    nunu said:

    What happens if Trump wins the national vote share but loses the electoral college? Civil war?

    It happened in 2000, and maybe I believe another time since WWII, so not that uncommon
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949
    edited July 2016
    This extensive piece on Cameron's disastrous campaign makes it quite clear why Cameron lost the referendum

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-doomed-campaign

    He was never serious about the "renegotiation". While he was pretending to "negotiate" with the EU, He and Osborne, and Mandelson and Cooper and Jack Straw's son were busy having cosy meetings setting everything up to keep us "IN"

    Thus the "renegotiation" was a complete and utter farce and Cameron was being entirely disingenuous... As we all knew.

    The political class took the public for fools and the public struck back. They were hoisted by their own blatant cynicism.

    Worryingly it doesn't look like they've even begun to comprehend the lesson the GBP have dished out to them...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    Edward Snowden also claimed that he was going to release enough information to ensure the the prosecution of Hillary.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    If that prick does have them, what foreign intelligence service passed the emails on to him?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229
    AndyJS said:
    Good God: Boris as FM. I guess there are more frightening things, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287
    Y0kel said:

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    If that prick does have them, what foreign intelligence service passed the emails on to him?
    I don't think we need to ask...

    Which foreign intelligence service would have an interest in getting Trump elected?
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    Russia has them too... And China and Israel, allegedly.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:
    Good God: Boris as FM. I guess there are more frightening things, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
    Gove as Prime Minister?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,229

    Y0kel said:

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    If that prick does have them, what foreign intelligence service passed the emails on to him?
    I don't think we need to ask...

    Which foreign intelligence service would have an interest in getting Trump elected?
    I'm pretty sure it will be the Staatsveiligheid.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Danny Finkelstein:

    "If Leadsom wins, we must have an election
    Unlike May and Gove, a junior minister who wasn’t part of Cameron’s top team would lack legitimacy as prime minister"

    http://linkis.com/www.thetimes.co.uk/a/MD6LO
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,848



    I sent my CV in to a professional CV firm the other day, curious to see what they'd do to it. They changed "Served on the Northern Ireland Select Committee during the period of the peace process" to "Transformed the economy and political system of Northern Ireland". :)

    If that's how people write CVs, Carney can claim to have prevented the mooted collapse of Western civilisation and World War 3.

    ... I was responsible for ruining the entire economy and political system of Northern Ireland ,,,




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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    AndyJS said:

    Danny Finkelstein:

    "If Leadsom wins, we must have an election
    Unlike May and Gove, a junior minister who wasn’t part of Cameron’s top team would lack legitimacy as prime minister"

    http://linkis.com/www.thetimes.co.uk/a/MD6LO

    What nonsense. She stood on the same manifesto.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Assange is a Russian stooge. Ever wonder how Snowden ended up in Moscow? Ask that Australian weed and his mates.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Whatever happens can we please go ahead with building Heathrow. Ffs
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited July 2016
    Miller on stage...
    "two sets of rules, but the American people with be the ultimate decider on whether Clinton gets away with it. Remember, Clinton put your very LIFE at risk..."
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    AndyJS said:
    I would suggest Leadsom PM, Gove CE. Gove is spoilt goods now, not PM material.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949
    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    nunu said:

    Whatever happens can we please go ahead with building Heathrow. Ffs

    That's a job for the generation after next at this rate.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949
    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
    Many of the things that have happened in recent years can be traced back to Blair and the complete destruction of trust his cynical war unleashed.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited July 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
    Many of the things that have happened in recent years can be traced back to Blair and the complete destruction of trust his cynical war unleashed.
    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
    Many of the things that have happened in recent years can be traced back to Blair and the complete destruction of trust his cynical war unleashed.
    Would brexit have happened if Blair didn't underestimate E.U migration.
    I think it would have, it wasn't that there was no planning it was that people were against the surge in migration all together, oddly Labour never got that.
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    An interesting piece by Danny Finkelstein in The Times today, arguing that a Leadsom win in the Tory leadership contest should necessitate the calling of a General Election.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287
    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
    Many of the things that have happened in recent years can be traced back to Blair and the complete destruction of trust his cynical war unleashed.
    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Tick Tock

    http://news.sky.com/story/1722101/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-hints-at-report-criticism

    Just a few hours now until Blair's date with Chilcot...

    Blair led to Corbyn as LotO. He has a lot to answer for.
    Many of the things that have happened in recent years can be traced back to Blair and the complete destruction of trust his cynical war unleashed.
    Would brexit have happened if Blair didn't underestimate E.U migration.
    I think it would have, it wasn't that there was no planning it was that people were against the surge in migration all together, oddly Labour never got that.
    He could have kept migration controls for 7 years after the major EU expansion but didn't. If that decision hadn't been made we wouldn't have the same cumulative volume of net migration and the perception of it as an issue would be very different.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Interesting tweet from The Sun's political editor.

    The more I think about it, Stephen Crabb is the ideal candidate for working class Tories like myself that really warmed to David Cameron's One Nation Toryism

    @tnewtondunn: Final thought on @scrabbmp: a thoroughly decent man who fought the right One Nation campaign and goes with dignity. He will be PM one day.

    This 'thoroughly decent man' was one of the 'flippers' caught out in the 2009 Expenses scandal. So much for his Christian principles!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,024
    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    Short term vs. long term I guess. Rather pay the financial price now than be enveloped by a federal Europe.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    Short term vs. long term I guess. Rather pay the financial price now than be enveloped by a federal Europe.
    Shhhh Rob, don't say things like this lest "price worth paying" is quoted at us. There won't be a recession due to brexit. Chill everyone. Jheez.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
    My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,024
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    Short term vs. long term I guess. Rather pay the financial price now than be enveloped by a federal Europe.
    Shhhh Rob, don't say things like this lest "price worth paying" is quoted at us. There won't be a recession due to brexit. Chill everyone. Jheez.
    Sorry, should have made it clear those weren't my views, but could have been the views of some who voted Leave.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
    My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek.
    I am just sensitive on the subject of Leadsom - who represents too much of what I find distasteful about the Christian Right.

    She is a car-crash waiting to happen. At least with Corbyn, Labour knew what they were getting (even if they didn't appreciate the consequences of that choice)

    A Leadsom leadership would be scary.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
    My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek.
    I am just sensitive on the subject of Leadsom - who represents too much of what I find distasteful about the Christian Right.
    Are you sure you're not just projecting what you find distasteful onto her? What's her record on religious issues?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    property bubble had to burst some time anyway, right?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/07/06/world/social-issues-world/islamic-state-tightens-grip-3000-yazidi-female-captives-taps-apps-sell-slaves/#.V3xcfI6bRFp

    still puzzles me why they have infrastructure like mobile networks. Is there a good reason to keep it all switched on?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Is Mark Carney himself, with his voice of doom, causing the £ to drop further than it otherwise would, in order to justify his prophesy of disaster at a Brexit?

    "Investor confidence was undermined by the Bank of England's warning that there was evidence that some of the risks it identified related to Brexit were already emerging." (BBC)
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    property bubble had to burst some time anyway, right?
    I am sure you love negative equity.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeK said:

    Is Mark Carney himself, with his voice of doom, causing the £ to drop further than it otherwise would, in order to justify his prophesy of disaster at a Brexit?

    "Investor confidence was undermined by the Bank of England's warning that there was evidence that some of the risks it identified related to Brexit were already emerging." (BBC)

    You guys are responsible for this slow motion car crash. Don't try to pass the blame.

    If you want to make Britain the 6th largest economy in the world, vote Brexit. That should have been your honest slogan.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/05/aviva-halts-trading-in-its-property-fund-brexit-standard-life

    Brexiters brought us to this. Recession by Q1 2017. You guys just fucked it up.

    property bubble had to burst some time anyway, right?
    I am sure you love negative equity.
    not at all. and I voted for remain. but bubbles are bubbles

    "Investors have been buying into commercial property funds to try to benefit from the 40% rise in commercial property prices since the 2009 crisis. "
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    surbiton said:

    MikeK said:

    Is Mark Carney himself, with his voice of doom, causing the £ to drop further than it otherwise would, in order to justify his prophesy of disaster at a Brexit?

    "Investor confidence was undermined by the Bank of England's warning that there was evidence that some of the risks it identified related to Brexit were already emerging." (BBC)

    You guys are responsible for this slow motion car crash. Don't try to pass the blame.

    If you want to make Britain the 6th largest economy in the world, vote Brexit. That should have been your honest slogan.
    Lovable @Surbiton rises from his grave.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    What an excellent thread from Mike.

    I have this awful feeling that if it's May vs Gove, Gove will win.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
    My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek.

    A Leadsom leadership would be scary.
    Although so was Brexit and that didn't stop people voting for it.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    How Leadsom's career has been somewhat hyped: https://mobile.twitter.com/suttonnick/status/750448507224485888/photo/1
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    The Mirror (part of Team May, no doubt) on Leadsom: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/7-eyebrow-raising-things-said-8357657
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
    Surely all this is priced in. Leadsom is politically inexperienced: she has not been an MP very long, and has only been a junior minister. Everyone knows that and the rest is just fluff.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287

    The Mirror (part of Team May, no doubt) on Leadsom: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/7-eyebrow-raising-things-said-8357657

    She also branded Britain “such a miserable place so much of the time” in a web rant from August 12, 2006, after children were told off for skateboarding in Reading.

    “Its (sic) situations like this that remind you why this country is such a miserable place so much of the time,” she fumed.

    “Innocent and harmless fun is thwarted by the rules put in place to prevent the bad behaviour of a minority.”


    She can't survive a comment like that... So long Andrea. We hardly knew you.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    The Mirror (part of Team May, no doubt) on Leadsom: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/7-eyebrow-raising-things-said-8357657

    She also branded Britain “such a miserable place so much of the time” in a web rant from August 12, 2006, after children were told off for skateboarding in Reading.

    “Its (sic) situations like this that remind you why this country is such a miserable place so much of the time,” she fumed.

    “Innocent and harmless fun is thwarted by the rules put in place to prevent the bad behaviour of a minority.”


    She can't survive a comment like that... So long Andrea. We hardly knew you.
    Miserable might be the wrong word, but the overall sentiment is spot on. Death to the nanny state!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
    Surely all this is priced in. Leadsom is politically inexperienced: she has not been an MP very long, and has only been a junior minister. Everyone knows that and the rest is just fluff.
    But she's a True BeLEAVEr and that counts a lot among the paranoid and her UKIP backers.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488

    The Mirror (part of Team May, no doubt) on Leadsom: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/7-eyebrow-raising-things-said-8357657

    She also branded Britain “such a miserable place so much of the time” in a web rant from August 12, 2006, after children were told off for skateboarding in Reading.

    “Its (sic) situations like this that remind you why this country is such a miserable place so much of the time,” she fumed.

    “Innocent and harmless fun is thwarted by the rules put in place to prevent the bad behaviour of a minority.”


    She can't survive a comment like that... So long Andrea. We hardly knew you.
    Errr but she's quite right on both the skateboarding and the generalisation.
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    JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
    Yeah but Major was useless. You either have it or you don't.

    How's your belief that we shouldn't underestimate Cameron coming along?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    O/T It's possible the Coalition may edge a majority in Australia, as postal ballots are breaking in their favour.

    Currently ABC are projecting Coalition 74, Lab 71, Others 5, but say 75/76 to 69/70 is now possible.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
    Yeah but Major was useless.
    So useless he won the General Election in 1992?

    Of course the Tories in Parliament then became useless because of Leadsomite in Chief and unqualified success IDS.....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287
    edited July 2016

    The Mirror (part of Team May, no doubt) on Leadsom: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/7-eyebrow-raising-things-said-8357657

    She also branded Britain “such a miserable place so much of the time” in a web rant from August 12, 2006, after children were told off for skateboarding in Reading.

    “Its (sic) situations like this that remind you why this country is such a miserable place so much of the time,” she fumed.

    “Innocent and harmless fun is thwarted by the rules put in place to prevent the bad behaviour of a minority.”


    She can't survive a comment like that... So long Andrea. We hardly knew you.
    Errr but she's quite right on both the skateboarding and the generalisation.
    Well quite... If this is what the Mirror is running as an attack piece it tells you something. From what I've seen so far Leadsom will win if she gets to face the party members. She's arguably the only one left in the race still capable of coming across as a normal human being.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Wasn't the same true of John Major's banking career?
    Major had been in Parliament 21 years, CoE and Foreign Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Minister before he became PM - much more important (and of course who he wasn't) than his previous employment. Leadsom's pitch is in large part based on her - it would appear exaggerated- City career.
    Yeah but Major was useless.
    So useless he won the General Election in 1992?

    Of course the Tories in Parliament then became useless because of Leadsomite in Chief and unqualified success IDS.....
    Well, IDS did quite well at the ballot box. His problem was he was bloody useless in the House of Commons and got pasted at PMQs every week. Oh, and Betsygate. The popular narrative that Michael Howard saved the party does not really stand up to examination.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Leadsom could be the next Edith Cresson or the next Margaret Thatcher or anywhere in between. I suspect we will get chance to find out the answer.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Cameron became LOTO after a mere four years as an MP -- none in government.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Leadsom could be the next Edith Cresson or the next Margaret Thatcher or anywhere in between. I suspect we will get chance to find out the answer.
    Right in the middle of BREXIT is the time to be making the experiment?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Totting up the pledges given to Major, Heseltine and Hurd, the total was 55 greater than the number of Tory MPs.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/may-s-supporters-accused-of-rigging-vote-to-favour-gove-63bkvfwtt
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,582
    £=$1.28 ! Shit that is low.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Leadsom could be the next Edith Cresson or the next Margaret Thatcher or anywhere in between. I suspect we will get chance to find out the answer.
    Right in the middle of BREXIT is the time to be making the experiment?
    Don't blame me. I voted Remain.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157
    Y0kel said:

    Assange is a Russian stooge. Ever wonder how Snowden ended up in Moscow? Ask that Australian weed and his mates.

    He was due to change planes there but the Americans revoked his passport.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Cameron became LOTO after a mere four years as an MP -- none in government.
    And before that as a SPAD, helping prep PMQs and write the manifesto - vastly more experienced than Leadsom - and that was for LOTO not PM.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,582

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:
    She is scarcely in touch with her own reality - let alone the reality of this situation.

    No-one knows anything about Leadsom. And when they do, they shy away from her.
    My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek.

    A Leadsom leadership would be scary.
    Although so was Brexit and that didn't stop people voting for it.
    Have we reached double or quits already?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,287

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Cameron became LOTO after a mere four years as an MP -- none in government.
    And before that as a SPAD, helping prep PMQs and write the manifesto - vastly more experienced than Leadsom - and that was for LOTO not PM.
    Think yourself lucky that Louise Mensch decided to follow her heart. If she'd still been an MP, she could have been the one propelled by the Brexit campaign to the threshold of Number 10.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157
    Sandpit said:

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    A few weeks ago Assange said he had several thousand which hadn't been released to date by thr FBI, suggesting that she had held back things from the enquiry (she submitted the emails on paper!). It also begs the question of how Wikileaks got a copy of her mailbox in the first place - was it an employee of Clinton, or a foreign government?
    Or random hackers. Neither her setup nor the official State Department's one seems to have been very secure.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856

    She has described her 25 years in financial services and running ‘enormous teams’ as evidence of her suitability for the roles.

    Prominent supporter Bernard Jenkin has cited her senior position at ‘a large investment firm where she was responsible for managing hundreds of people and billions of pounds’.

    But the Times said that during ten years at the investment fund Invesco Perpetual, from 1999 to 2009, she did not have any role in managing funds or advising clients.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676271/Does-Angela-Leadsom-s-CV-stack-Leadership-contender-s-backers-accused-making-claims-City-career-not-stand-up.html

    I guess this is where she needs her tax returns to show she was paid squillions during the period in question. Whether any of this makes her a better or worse candidate to succeed David Cameron (who was a SpAd with a spell in PR) is unclear.
    Cameron was up for LOTO - not PM.
    And in the 2010 general election Cameron became Prime Minister, despite having only a short spell in PR outside of politics. I'm not really sure where you are going with this because everyone knows Theresa May is Home Secretary and Andrea Leadom is only a junior minister. It is already factored in, even by those 66 MPs who voted for her.
    Leadsom's CV is coming under scrutiny and there is less to it than meets the eye. Cameron was also vastly more experienced politically than Leadsom when he became LOTO, let alone PM.
    Cameron became LOTO after a mere four years as an MP -- none in government.
    And before that as a SPAD, helping prep PMQs and write the manifesto - vastly more experienced than Leadsom - and that was for LOTO not PM.
    Think yourself lucky that Louise Mensch decided to follow her heart. If she'd still been an MP, she could have been the one propelled by the Brexit campaign to the threshold of Number 10.
    That's a sobering thought!

    What is it about BREXIT that attracts vacuous blondes?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,582
    nunu said:

    AndyJS said:

    Danny Finkelstein:

    "If Leadsom wins, we must have an election
    Unlike May and Gove, a junior minister who wasn’t part of Cameron’s top team would lack legitimacy as prime minister"

    http://linkis.com/www.thetimes.co.uk/a/MD6LO

    What nonsense. She stood on the same manifesto.
    The stronger argument is that she doesn't appear to agree with chunks of it. Although now deficit reduction has been abandoned in favour of chase-the-business tax cutting, arguably that applies to all of them. In practice surely it will depend on the state of Labour? Chilcot must be handling their leadership crisis on the side.

    I still think Leadsom won't publish all those tax returns. She'll wait to see if her support builds on Thursday, then pull out.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,157
    rcs1000 said:

    JonathanD said:

    Scott_P said:

    Well that's Leadsom fucked

    If she had any class she would withdraw now
    I think May should use her surplus of MPs to force her into the head to head - got to be easier to beat than Gove.

    Still what a choice for next Tory leader, Gove, May or Leadsom. Terrifying that the field has ended up so weak.
    Look at who they're replacing. Is anyone going to remember Mr Cameron once he's moved out of Downing Street?
    Juncker will curse him every day for the rest of his life.
    I wouldn't be so sure. EU reform will be a lot easier without the British trying to stick spanners in the works all the time.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Sandpit said:

    "Morgan Wright, a noted cybersecurity specialist, told Fox News today that Julian Assange of Wikileaks has claimed he has some of Hillary Clinton’s compromised e-mails and will release them."

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437489/hillary-clinton-extremely-reckless-behavior-should-deny-her-security-clearance

    Might not be over after all.

    A few weeks ago Assange said he had several thousand which hadn't been released to date by thr FBI, suggesting that she had held back things from the enquiry (she submitted the emails on paper!). It also begs the question of how Wikileaks got a copy of her mailbox in the first place - was it an employee of Clinton, or a foreign government?
    Are these new emails or the ones wikileaks published the other day -- which it turned out had already been released by the US government?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,582
    Is it true that Thursday's vote is cancelled?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    IanB2 said:

    Is it true that Thursday's vote is cancelled?

    Source?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    IanB2 said:

    £=$1.28 ! Shit that is low.

    But....but....but....that Titan of Finance "with 30 years of experience" said it wouldn't....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,582
    edited July 2016

    IanB2 said:

    Is it true that Thursday's vote is cancelled?

    Source?
    The view on conhome seemed to be that people dropping out doesn't necessarily accelerate the process and they have decided to allow more time for campaigning and vote again next Tuesday. It surprised me - it was only in the comments section so may only be one person's opinion, but no-one there challenged it as wrong.

    Since the member ballot dates have already been published, it may be right, however.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Is it true that Thursday's vote is cancelled?

    Source?
    The view on conhome seemed to be that people dropping out doesn't necessarily accelerate the process and they have decided to allow more time for campaigning and vote again next Tuesday. It surprised me - it was only in the comments section so may only be one person's opinion, but no-one there challenged it as wrong.

    Since the member ballot dates have already been published, it may be right, however.
    UKIPhome is Leadsomite central and will wish for anything that improves her chances - though I'm not sure increasing scrutiny is going to do that....
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