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The Green Party? Do they even exist?rottenborough said:Green Party leadership candidates:
Jonathan Bartley and Caroline Lucas (job share)
Clive Lord
David Malone
Martie Warin
David Williams
Interestingly, I think David Malone is the same guy as the documentary maker who does science related stuff and made the truly brilliant 'Dangerous Knowledge' about understanding infinity.0 -
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.felix said:
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.SouthamObserver said:
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.Pulpstar said:
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the errorSouthamObserver said:
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.SeanT said:
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.0 -
Cometh the hour...Charlie_Falconer said:
Moi?Jobabob said:I hope PBer are prepared for this week's Question Time guest list...
Let's just say it might be too much, too soon...0 -
As a rule I don't divest strategic assets, so I will likely remain structurally long the London property market (both in the "super prime residential" and the "unique venue" segments)not_on_fire said:
Your experience in that may well soon prove invaluable here!Charles said:
In was in the 1.90s when I bought my house in California (at 40% off the asking price - that's what a bear market in property looks like)not_on_fire said:
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.Pulpstar said:
$2.10rcs1000 said:
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.FrankBooth said:Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time.
How was the dollar ever that weak ?0 -
Careless Hillary!dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750353319084843008
ABDW.
What will he say if he wins?0 -
I think Terminal 5 at Heathrow is fine. Not flash, but it works, which is a big improvement on what Heathrow used to be like. They just need that new runway. ideally two of them.0
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Leave was always in the lead: why the polls got the referendum result wrong https://t.co/4y6spVtucq https://t.co/GvQcsaGNBq0 -
lol - typical leaver response - like me to pass it on to Dave?TwistedFireStopper said:
oof! Get you!felix said:
No-one would be so silly as to suggest you could ever live in 10 Downing street - we can agree on that - I was really thinking of people like Gove/Leadsom/Johnson/Fox who all have ambitions of a more realistic nature albeit postponed in the case of Johnson. They really should have had some well-prepared ideas as they couldn't have been so stupid as to think Cameron was going to do it for them.TwistedFireStopper said:
Last time I checked, I wasn't living in 10 Downing Street. It ain't my job to make those decisions, make those plans. I vote in a government to do that politics stuff. They gave me a choice and positively encouraged me to participate in the vote. I made a choice-over to them to try some of that government shit that they all claim to be so good at.felix said:
It is quite bizarre that all the Leavers on here were adamant before and now that they have no plan for the wonderful post-Brexit world they campaigned and voted for. The greatest example of political vandalism and nihilism probably in our history. Let's take an axe to the EU folks and afterwards... that's for government to sort out. They keep on saying it and sound dafter every time.TOPPING said:
Nah sorry Monsieur Morris. You are suggesting he began negotiations before the vote as though the vote had already been cast (and as though Leave had won).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, Cameron is in a position to try and do early negotiations on a reciprocal agreement for EU citizens currently in the UK and Britons currently in the EU getting confirmed residency rights (subject to the new PM agreeing, of course).
He could also be making reassuring noises* about the economy and the prospects for the future.
The suggestion he's tried to lengthen the proceedings of the leadership contest so he can toddle off to the G20 one last time is not an edifying decision. Collaborating with the leadership contenders on a Brexit negotiating team (lawyers etc not politicians) so they're ready to go for the new PM would be a good thing too.
*I realise that's not exactly hard and fast stuff, but with multiple leadership elections and the PM not being seen [excepting at a remembrance event] since he resigned it would help reduce the feeling of being rudderless.
Edited extra bit: advance work on the major options (fully out, EEA/EFTA, and a bespoke approach) should have been done, reducing the time it'll take the new PM to work through that.
And he couldn't make reassuring noises about the economy because, you know, all the experts told him otherwise.
So I ask again, what concrete measures could he have taken?0 -
Yep, my first trip to Vegas with Mrs Stodge was in 2006 and we got $2.05 to the £ and lived extremely well. A $40 meal for two (very good food as well) was less than £20 and even the $100 fine dining restaurants were affordable. I discovered Maggiano's on that first visit and we go every time (as well as The Cheesecake Factory).not_on_fire said:
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.
More important, we stocked up on clothes and especially shoes - three pairs of shoes in Bass for $75.
We've experienced $1.45 to the £ but not $1.30 yet. At that rate our £20 dinner will have to cost $26 so it will be Denny's or the cheaper buffets backed up by some successful gambling.
I relieved Mr Wynn of a tidy sum on Christmas Eve which kept us going through a Palm Springs New Year - a glass of chilled local vino on the terrace at midnight....
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Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.SouthamObserver said:
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
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But who's gonna build it, kid? You?FF43 said:I think Terminal 5 at Heathrow is fine. Not flash, but it works, which is a big improvement on what Heathrow used to be like. They just need that new runway. ideally two of them.
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Does this matter?
AOh my... 63% of German Bund are no longer eligible to ECB QE (only 7 issues left!). https://t.co/LrM3FVYhVg0 -
Their Brexit plan might be a start - unless you think that Gove's rambling was one - did he ever finish?John_M said:
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.felix said:
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.SouthamObserver said:
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.Pulpstar said:
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the errorSouthamObserver said:
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.SeanT said:
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.0 -
Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.0 -
Please do-I'm sure "Dave" hangs on the every word of some numpty internet smug git.felix said:
lol - typical leaver response - like me to pass it on to Dave?TwistedFireStopper said:
oof! Get you!felix said:
No-one would be so silly as to suggest you could ever live in 10 Downing street - we can agree on that - I was really thinking of people like Gove/Leadsom/Johnson/Fox who all have ambitions of a more realistic nature albeit postponed in the case of Johnson. They really should have had some well-prepared ideas as they couldn't have been so stupid as to think Cameron was going to do it for them.TwistedFireStopper said:
Last time I checked, I wasn't living in 10 Downing Street. It ain't my job to make those decisions, make those plans. I vote in a government to do that politics stuff. They gave me a choice and positively encouraged me to participate in the vote. I made a choice-over to them to try some of that government shit that they all claim to be so good at.felix said:
It is quite bizarre that all the Leavers on here were adamant before and now that they have no plan for the wonderful post-Brexit world they campaigned and voted for. The greatest example of political vandalism and nihilism probably in our history. Let's take an axe to the EU folks and afterwards... that's for government to sort out. They keep on saying it and sound dafter every time.TOPPING said:
Nah sorry Monsieur Morris. You are suggesting he began negotiations before the vote as though the vote had already been cast (and as though Leave had won).Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, Cameron is in a position to try and do early negotiations on a reciprocal agreement for EU citizens currently in the UK and Britons currently in the EU getting confirmed residency rights (subject to the new PM agreeing, of course).
He could also be making reassuring noises* about the economy and the prospects for the future.
The suggestion he's tried to lengthen the proceedings of the leadership contest so he can toddle off to the G20 one last time is not an edifying decision. Collaborating with the leadership contenders on a Brexit negotiating team (lawyers etc not politicians) so they're ready to go for the new PM would be a good thing too.
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Edited extra bit: advance work on the major options (fully out, EEA/EFTA, and a bespoke approach) should have been done, reducing the time it'll take the new PM to work through that.
And he couldn't make reassuring noises about the economy because, you know, all the experts told him otherwise.
So I ask again, what concrete measures could he have taken?0 -
Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.0 -
Your Mum exposed secret US operations because she had an unsecured email server in her bathroom?SouthamObserver said:Hillary Clinton and email sounds an awful lot like my Mum and email.
Wow. That's really impressive.0 -
Ken Clarke = loser in 2005 (last place in the first ballot!)
Ken Clarke = loser in 2001 (lost to IDS (FFS!) in the final members' ballot!)
Ken Clarke = loser in 1997 (lost to Hague (FFFFS!) in the final MPs' ballot!)
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@SkyNewsBreak: The value of the pound has fallen below $1.30 before rebounding, setting a new 31-year low0
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Why wouldn't you get the train anyway? Customs to Captain's Bar in record time.MaxPB said:
Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.SouthamObserver said:
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.0 -
He did. He's a strange chap. I imagine he'll spend the rest of his political career wondering why no one trusts him.felix said:
Their Brexit plan might be a start - unless you think that Gove's rambling was one - did he ever finish?John_M said:
In fairness, two of them are running to be Prime Minister. I don't really know what more you want.felix said:
Agreed and it's most amusing that all the Leavers with all their grand ideas about 'sunlit uphills' and 'crocks of gold at the end of the rainbow' are totally clueless about the great Brexit idea they've been ranting on about for decades. They run for the hills rather than accept any responsibility.SouthamObserver said:
I don't buy a Leaver line that says Dave should have made it much harder for us to win.Pulpstar said:
No, I think @SeanT is right here actually. Giving the option to just "leave" was I think... irresponsible by Dave. Anyway "Completely out" vs "EFTA" should definitely be a decision taken by the government and not the good people of Wigan - let's not compound the errorSouthamObserver said:
I'd have more sympathy with that view if it had been expressed prior to the referendum or the general election. It would have involved a lot of cabinet Brexiters breaking ran a whole lot earlier and would have made it much easier for the Remain side to win. Sounds an awful lot like buyer's remorse to me.SeanT said:
No, he should have - as someone else said - have demanded, as the price of a referendum, that the eurosceptics get together a commission and decide amongst themselves what was going on the ballot (WTO, Single Market) as an alternative to the EU. If necessary, have three options on the ballot.
Then both sides could have sent out detailed manifestos.
He fucked it up, from his perspective, quite royally.
I've not seen much detail from either, other than FoM is off the table. I'm assuming that this is positioning. We'll have to wait for hustings.
FWIW, we have four options:
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario).
b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario)
c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario)
d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.0 -
http://www.gatwickobviously.com/RationalPlan said:Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.0 -
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Afternoon, Mr. B. Traditionally some industries have called for a lower pound and lower interest rates so that they can export more. In my experience when they have been granted those conditions they have just pocket the difference in sterling earnings, paid them out to directors and shareholder sand carried on with the same volumes and markets.Alanbrooke said:
I wonder how much is price inelasticity and how much is structural in that we have given up on entire industries.rcs1000 said:
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.FrankBooth said:Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time.
Mr. Howl was on here earlier joyful at the new sterling rates as an exporter. I wounder how much effort he will be making to take true advantage of the situation. How many extra salesmen/sales teams does he intend to send overseas to open up new markets for his business or expand his penetration into existing markets. No disrespect to Mr Howl I merely ask.
Perhaps the same sort of question could be asked by parliamentary select committees of big companies like Rolls Royce and maybe of the Department of BIS, what extra support are they giving to companies to either start exporting or do more of it.
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Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.stodge said:Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Chilcot report to be released at 10am tomorrow.0 -
Bad luck USA. The FBI has let you down when you needed them. You are going to have to choose between Clinton and Trump.
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The big news tomorrow will be Wales v Portugal.John_N4 said:
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.stodge said:Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
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Think TM would need to be much further ahead to justify mass withdrawals and a coronation. I think it would be seen as a statement of intent though.stodge said:Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
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Having given the first a skim read, I don't think they offer a persuasive explanation of why the pollsters "got it wrong".PlatoSaid said:Hmm
Leave was always in the lead: why the polls got the referendum result wrong https://t.co/4y6spVtucq https://t.co/GvQcsaGNBq0 -
So *that's* why Belgium folded.MikeSmithson said:
The big news tomorrow will be Wales v Portugal.John_N4 said:
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.stodge said:Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Blair called in the favour we paid with on our rebate cut
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Politics is a dirty game.John_N4 said:
Yes. I strongly doubt there will be a second ballot or a ballot of the membership. The last May rival left in, probably Leadsom, will leave it until late tonight or better still, tomorrow morning, before announcing her heroic unity-helping drop-out. Then May can call a press conference or get the cameras in as she moves into No.10, and the front pages won't cover the Chilcot report on the relatively uninteresting matter of a prime minister and senior intelligence officers telling dirty lies, at the behest of a foreign power, to "justify" a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.stodge said:Afternoon all
Expectations for tonight:
May 205
Leadsom 60
Gove 40
Crabb 15
Fox 15
Huge pressure on all the others to withdraw to give the Blessed Theresa a cornonation especially as Crabb supporters will back her. No second ballot as Gove, Crabb and Fox will all withdraw.
Chilcot report to be released at 10am tomorrow.
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FTSE 100 is up.0
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@SimonNeville: Pound now at $1.30. A new, new, new 31 year low. (the previous low was this morning)...
https://twitter.com/johngapper/status/750271361382252544
Of course it now looks like those 30 years experience might have been making the tea...0 -
Interesting to reflect tonight that the last time somebody who was not the incumbent leader topped the first ballot and went on to win was in 1975 (discounting 1989, 1990 and 1995). Every time since the early pacesetter has ended up coming second.
That's also true of 1990 of course, where Thatcher got more votes on the first round than Major did in the second but not quite enough to save her leadership.0 -
More good news. Should be a bumper year of American tourism to newly liberated Britannia.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The value of the pound has fallen below $1.30 before rebounding, setting a new 31-year low
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@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
@ThatTimWalker: @adamboultonSKY @jac151515 And, one by one, everyone who championed Brexit heading for the hills... we weren't warned about that either..
It does look like Cameron and Osborne were not pessimistic enough...0 -
I'm expecting a huge influx of migrants from the USA, fleeing the despotic rule of President Trump/Clinton.MonikerDiCanio said:
More good news. Should be a bumper year of American tourism to newly liberated Britannia.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The value of the pound has fallen below $1.30 before rebounding, setting a new 31-year low
What a choice. I want them both to lose.0 -
If five candidates stand in a leadership contest and are so convincingly beaten in the first round that they all step aside, is that strictly speaking a coronation per se? – Not that I think it likely however.0
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But you can make up for that, Scott.Scott_P said:@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
@ThatTimWalker: @adamboultonSKY @jac151515 And, one by one, everyone who championed Brexit heading for the hills... we weren't warned about that either..
It does look like Cameron and Osborne were not pessimistic enough...
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I saw an American travel operator talking about a round trip for under $500 on Virgin the other day and advising US tourists to pile in.MonikerDiCanio said:
More good news. Should be a bumper year of American tourism to newly liberated Britannia.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The value of the pound has fallen below $1.30 before rebounding, setting a new 31-year low
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We had pre arranged transport to the hotel. I missed the first round of drinks as well.TOPPING said:
Why wouldn't you get the train anyway? Customs to Captain's Bar in record time.MaxPB said:
Yes I noticed that last time I went there as well, I normally don't travel with luggage and I was the only one in our party who had luggage. I ended up having to get the train.SouthamObserver said:
Hong Kong is OK. No better than T5 at Heathrow in my experience. All the Asian airports I go to these days are fine if you are travelling business, less so if you are not. It always seems ot take an age for luggage to arrive at HK.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent. 0 -
Good evening, Mr. Stodge.
Come on, MPs. Abandon Gove, the Bespectacled Backstabber.0 -
I will not shirk my responsibilities, unlike the departing Brexiteers...MarqueeMark said:But you can make up for that, Scott.
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Of the Labour leadership, the US Presidency and the Tory leadership, even a rather "meh" Tory line-up looks world-beating in comparison.John_M said:
I'm expecting a huge influx of migrants from the USA, fleeing the despotic rule of President Trump/Clinton.MonikerDiCanio said:
More good news. Should be a bumper year of American tourism to newly liberated Britannia.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The value of the pound has fallen below $1.30 before rebounding, setting a new 31-year low
What a choice. I want them both to lose.0 -
My only losing CON leadership outcome is Fox. I win on all the other 4.0
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I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.RationalPlan said:Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.0 -
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
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I see Betfair gives the bottom 3 Tory candidates just 6% between them.
I still reckon a Boris write-in could yet win it....0 -
Clearly fuck the working class is the way to go. Then we wait by our metaphorical fax machine to be told by Brussels what laws and regulations to implement. Maybe Juncker himself will add a smiley face to the memo. Hmm. Don't see it.John_M said:<
FWIW, we have four options:
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario).
b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario)
c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario)
d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
The problem I have is that scenario (a) - let's pretend it was a dream and carry on regardless - is the only one that sort of makes sense. But it is the only one that we have formally rejected. It really isn't me going all Kuebler-Ross and in the five stages of grief about my beloved Remain vote.
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Not sure there is gainful employment for a stable door closer now..Scott_P said:
I will not shirk my responsibilities, unlike the departing Brexiteers...MarqueeMark said:But you can make up for that, Scott.
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chestnut said:
"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
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I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.0 -
I think you can say you've won. Unless the whole damned contest is a betting scam...MikeSmithson said:My only losing CON leadership outcome is Fox. I win on all the other 4.
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I think most politicians in Luxembourg and the surrounding area are like Juncker.ydoethur said:I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.0 -
I admit I was wrong, I always said judge brexit on day 10 after the vote. Clearly day 10 hasn't gone well and I think we should reverse the decision0
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I've heard he's like that when he's not drunk.ydoethur said:I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.0 -
I'd guess Leadsom would be your biggest winner. A revelation to me.MikeSmithson said:My only losing CON leadership outcome is Fox. I win on all the other 4.
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You've always been very reasonable in your objections, so I accept your point on K-RFF43 said:
Clearly fuck the working class is the way to go. Then we wait by our metaphorical fax machine to be told by Brussels what laws and regulations to implement. Maybe Juncker himself will add a smiley face to the memo. Hmm. Don't see it.John_M said:<
FWIW, we have four options:
a) Change our minds and do a Dallas (It was all a dream! scenario).
b) Move to EEA + FoM as final destination (Fuck the working class scenario)
c) Move to EEA + Fom as a transition to sunlit uplands + cornucopia of plenty (Martian scenario)
d) Move directly to WTO with no FoM (Rerunning Imperial Japan in WW2 scenario)
I can't imagine any other variant, other than some negotiating shenanigans around option b) with some quota/limit/emergency brake as window dressing.
The problem I have is that scenario (a) - let's pretend it was a dream and carry regardless - is the only one that sort of makes sense. But it is the only one that we have formally rejected. It really isn't me going all Kuebler-Ross and in the five stages of grief about my beloved Remain vote.
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Or you could argue that the Remain campaign shirked its responsibilities - by employing people too stupid to get people to vote for them....Scott_P said:
I will not shirk my responsibilities, unlike the departing Brexiteers...MarqueeMark said:But you can make up for that, Scott.
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For once I am completely green. Unlike in the Labour fiasco. If there's an election.MarqueeMark said:
I think you can say you've won. Unless the whole damned contest is a betting scam...MikeSmithson said:My only losing CON leadership outcome is Fox. I win on all the other 4.
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We're saved! Who needs the City anyway.PlatoSaid said:chestnut said:"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.0 -
Sadly, he's all that. Juncker and Schulz are the most visible standard bearers for the More Europe fraternity in the EU. Their project stalled after Lisbon, and they're using Brexit as the cause celebre to do just that.ydoethur said:I have just caught up with Juncker's remarks. I voted remain.
Does anyone on here know if he's actually as pompous, arrogant, rude, incompetent, unselfaware, anti-democratic and stupid as he comes across, or is it all an act?
Whichever it is, if he were a sample of the EU sod Brexit, I'd be off to Canada. Fortunately in my experience he is not typical.
If it wasn't so serious, it would be fascinating to see the power struggle developing between the Commission, the Parliament and the Council.0 -
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.MaxPB said:
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.0 -
Indeed - worrying times ahead.Scott_P said:@ThatTimWalker: Looking back, so much that #ProjectFear didn't even begin to address: hate crime, the political turmoil, extent of £ falling against $...
@ThatTimWalker: @adamboultonSKY @jac151515 And, one by one, everyone who championed Brexit heading for the hills... we weren't warned about that either..
It does look like Cameron and Osborne were not pessimistic enough...0 -
Oh!Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: 6pm RESULT says 1922 boss Graham Brady
Coronation?0 -
Markets hate uncertainty.Brom said:I admit I was wrong, I always said judge brexit on day 10 after the vote. Clearly day 10 hasn't gone well and I think we should reverse the decision
Delaying Article 50 is causing much of the current uncertainty. Clearly the UK needs to trigger Article 50 immediately and get out of the EU. Out means out and the UK voted out.0 -
While the rest of the economy tanks...chestnut said:"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.0 -
It's a bugger to get to. I had a flight at 7am yesterday from Gatwick & had to leave home at 5am - at Heathrow I could have got another 30 minutes kip!HurstLlama said:
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.RationalPlan said:Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.0 -
Denver is - indeed - bloody awful.Charles said:
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.SirBenjamin said:rcs1000 said:
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
But it does tell us some interesting things about the New World Order: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.kgeZ9bXm4#.wrKVx174M0 -
Another kick in the balls for Juncker. This is the best sport ever.
http://www.dw.com/en/eu-commission-ceta-should-be-approved-by-national-parliaments/a-193792630 -
T minus 10 minutes!0
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The Fix
Hillary Clinton's email problems might be even worse than we thought https://t.co/IM6p7j4er9 https://t.co/vL7zJ2Jjml0 -
What do you think of the oh la la claim I posted at 17.16?rcs1000 said:
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.MaxPB said:
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.0 -
It does and the attendant said that they are switching to the 787 soon as well last time I was on it. Plus it lands at a reasonable hour.rcs1000 said:
I must do that; and Haneda also avoids the appalling hour and a bit bus or taxi ride.MaxPB said:
Get the BA flight to Haneda if you can.rcs1000 said:
Tokyo??? Narita is a 'mare.AndyJS said:Airports in the Far East are the best by a long shot. Tokyo, Singapore, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong. And the people who work there aren't in a foul mood, unlike most other places.
Seoul is nice, but a long way away from the City.
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.0 -
Mr P,
Kudos to you. Flying the flag for Remain yet seeing your dreams turn to ashes, you carry on bravely, despite being the Goliath felled by David. "Why, tis only a flesh wound," you say as your brains lie dashed out in the dust.
Roger has disappeared to sulk, Cameron is licking his wounds and on a go-slow, but you'll have none of it. You'll fight to the death for your beloved one nation state of Europia, where President Juncker crushes the nay-sayers beneath his feet.0 -
Welcome back Mr Loony.JohnLoony said:Who gives a toss wha Clarke and Rifkind think?
Anyway, for me, the Brexit issue is decisive. I am getting increasingly nervous about the wobbling and the suggestions that Article 50 might not be activated for months, or years, or ever. We need a PM who can be trusted to enact Brexit and get on with it a.s.a.p. That means Leadsom. Trouble is, questions about her experience.
Previous thread: Leadsom is the "stop Gove" candidate ( as far as the top two are concerned), not the other way round. I would prefer Gove, but he is now seen as tainted so it will probably have to be Leadsom0 -
Far more likely that 100% turnout was reached early.rottenborough said:
Oh!Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: 6pm RESULT says 1922 boss Graham Brady
Coronation?
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My favorite US airport is Santa Ana, although I do quite like MCI (Kansas City) as well (although the salads in the airport restaurant are gruesome)rcs1000 said:
Denver is - indeed - bloody awful.Charles said:
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.SirBenjamin said:rcs1000 said:
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
But it does tell us some interesting things about the New World Order: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.kgeZ9bXm4#.wrKVx174M
O'Hare is tedious, JFK shabby, LAX appalling designed, Newark a mess. SFO is ok, I suppose - and Logan not too bad.0 -
If there's a coronation, how long until Cameron toddles off?0
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Friday?Morris_Dancer said:If there's a coronation, how long until Cameron toddles off?
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Is it still the case that there's no exit from the M23 between the M25 and the airport, around ten miles? Missed a flight once after an accident closed the M23 and there was no way of getting round it. Serious infrastructure needed at LGW anyway, another runway would only make the issues worse.HurstLlama said:
I agree that Gatwick is the better option. However, living near it and traveling past it, by road and rail, on a regular basis, I strongly question the associated infrastructure costs that will fall on the taxpayer. I think the plans are grossly optimistic as would anyone who cared to pop down to the train station or try and drive up the M23 at the airport's peak times. Peak times incidentally which, in the morning, coincide with the commuter crush on the London-South Coast railways.RationalPlan said:Well If I've heard Heathrow might not be such a good idea these days.
Heathrow is the most expensive plan that requires very high landing charges to fund it (hint BA does not want to pay, why do you think they bought Aer Lingus?). Plus the money quoted does not include any money towards any transport improvements (estimated to well over £10 billion) required.
In contrast Gatwick is much cheaper and easier to build and will fund all transport requirements needed.
Apart from all that, the rumours is that Heathrow will never be able to borrow the money itself on the markets anymore.
If anyone has any sense it's Gatwick.
They should really build both LHR and LGW runways, if they want an outside-the-box idea then an airside Hyperloop linking the two airports would allow fast transfers between them. 0 -
I used Denver airport in 2010/2011, but luckily on direct flights to/from HeathrowCharles said:
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.SirBenjamin said:rcs1000 said:
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days. 0 -
Please explain what benefit we derive from pro-European individuals and parties being legal. I presume you think there is someCD13 said:Mr P,
Kudos to you. Flying the flag for Remain yet seeing your dreams turn to ashes, you carry on bravely, despite being the Goliath felled by David. "Why, tis only a flesh wound," you say as your brains lie dashed out in the dust.
Roger has disappeared to sulk, Cameron is licking his wounds and on a go-slow, but you'll have none of it. You'll fight to the death for your beloved one nation state of Europia, where President Juncker crushes the nay-sayers beneath his feet.
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If you're going to live in your house for the next 30 years (as I suspect both you and I will do), then then the vagaries of the property market are irrelevent.Charles said:
As a rule I don't divest strategic assets, so I will likely remain structurally long the London property market (both in the "super prime residential" and the "unique venue" segments)not_on_fire said:
Your experience in that may well soon prove invaluable here!Charles said:
In was in the 1.90s when I bought my house in California (at 40% off the asking price - that's what a bear market in property looks like)not_on_fire said:
It was more than $2 to the £ for the whole of 2006-07 period while I was living in California as a student. Happy days.Pulpstar said:
$2.10rcs1000 said:
In theory, a weaker Sterling makes our exports cheaper, and makes imports more expensive. Therefore helping with our imbalances.FrankBooth said:Hasn't the Bank Of England wanted a weaker Sterling for some time? Might a weaker pound help with regard to the global imbalances? Though not if it strengthens the dollar of course.
Unfortunately, demand for a lot of the things we import (such as oil, and natural gas) is very price inelastic. If Sterling halved, then our energy import bill would almost double.
Our exports are largely price inelastic too. Hence the fact that Sterling has fallen from $2.10 in 2007 to $1.30, and our exports have only increased 20% or so in that time. How was the dollar ever that weak ?
However, what we're likely to end up with is quite an illiquid market, with very few transactions from non-forced sellers.0 -
murali_s said:
While the rest of the economy tanks...chestnut said:"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
Exporters should do well as Hovercraft pointed out earlier, and domestic suppliers should find the environment more conducive to competing with imports.murali_s said:
While the rest of the economy tanks...chestnut said:"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.
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@John_M
'Another kick in the balls for Juncker. This is the best sport ever.
http://www.dw.com/en/eu-commission-ceta-should-be-approved-by-national-parliaments/a-19379263'
He'll be dumped by the end of the year.
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About 17 hoursMorris_Dancer said:If there's a coronation, how long until Cameron toddles off?
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What, no love for the black hole of dreams that is Atlanta?Charles said:
My favorite US airport is Santa Ana, although I do quite like MCI (Kansas City) as well (although the salads in the airport restaurant are gruesome)rcs1000 said:
Denver is - indeed - bloody awful.Charles said:
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.SirBenjamin said:rcs1000 said:
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
But it does tell us some interesting things about the New World Order: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.kgeZ9bXm4#.wrKVx174M
O'Hare is tedious, JFK shabby, LAX appalling designed, Newark a mess. SFO is ok, I suppose - and Logan not too bad. 0 -
Much of my family works in the City doing jobs that they're unable to explain the purpose of to me but nevertheless earning obscene salaries. I sincerely hope that Britain returns to making beautiful and useful things, and my relatives find respectable employment.not_on_fire said:
We're saved! Who needs the City anyway.PlatoSaid said:chestnut said:"But for travelers like Wen Zhihong, from China's western Chengdu, that means lower prices. She had been planning to spend her vacation traveling with her daughter in France and Italy, but said she changed her mind after the vote.
"Now it seems a better idea to travel to England," Wen, a university official, said. "With the depreciation of the pound, hotels, plane tickets and shopping are all much cheaper."
Ctrip.com, China's biggest online travel agency, has already sought to capitalize on the surge in interest, arguing this week that a summer vacation in Britain could now be a third cheaper, helping UK searches on its app triple.
The company put out flyers with a dancing, winking figure in a Union Jack t-shirt, under the slogan, in Chinese, "Brexit: travel on the drop", in reference to the weaker pound. In the background, a weeping figure in a European Union flag waves "bye".
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-travel-searches-idUSKCN0ZD33O
Hospitality, entertainment and shopping venues will do very well.0 -
"That said, campaigns aren't governed by the ultimate legality of what Clinton did or didn't do. So, while dodging an indictment is a good thing — she isn't under criminal investigation and remains a candidate — it's a far different thing from being cleared (or even close to it) in the court of public opinion.
For a candidate already badly struggling on questions of whether she is honest and trustworthy enough to hold the office to which she aspires, Comey's comments are devastating. Watching them, I could close my eyes and imagine them spliced into a bevy of 30-second ads — all of which end with the FBI director rebuking Clinton as "extremely careless." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clintons-email-problems-might-be-even-worse-than-we-thought/?postshare=3601467734897955&tid=ss_tw0 -
How can there be a result at 6pm - that's when voting closes....0
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OK, now you've triggered me. Thanks.MaxPB said:
What, no love for the black hole of dreams that is Atlanta?Charles said:
My favorite US airport is Santa Ana, although I do quite like MCI (Kansas City) as well (although the salads in the airport restaurant are gruesome)rcs1000 said:
Denver is - indeed - bloody awful.Charles said:
Denver is the worst plane change I've come across recently. Nearly missed a connecting flight because they require changing passengers to go through the same security as everyone coming in from the outside.SirBenjamin said:rcs1000 said:
Singapore and Hong Kong are, as you say, excellent.
Being given a tiny boiled sweet by passport control does not make an airport excellent.
I don't think I've ever had a more stressful travel experience than trying to change planes at Singapore. A connecting flight with the same carrier required a walk of OVER A MILE and two airside passes through security.
With only a 45 minute turnaround.
Immediately after the initial 15 hour flight to Singapore.
And then there's the stupid metro system out of Changi airport which requires you to change trains after about two stops - basically everybody and their luggage unless they're going to an airport hotel at the intermediate stop, or the conference centre thingy.
Awful. Absolutely awful. At least in the big US airports you can usually get some half-decent beer these days.
But it does tell us some interesting things about the New World Order: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.kgeZ9bXm4#.wrKVx174M
O'Hare is tedious, JFK shabby, LAX appalling designed, Newark a mess. SFO is ok, I suppose - and Logan not too bad.0 -
Cameron will have to do the governments response to Chilcot tomorrow, so it'll be Thursday or Friday I'd have thought.ToryJim said:0
